Unpopular opinion. The DFW insurance crisis isn’t just greedy corporations, it’s our neighbors filing a roof claim every time it rains hard.
Posted by Impress_Playful@reddit | Dallas | View on Reddit | 146 comments
We all know homeowners insurance rates in DFW have jumped 40-50% this year. The default move is to just blame the "evil insurance algorithms" moving everyone to 2% deductibles and ACV policies. But we need to talk about the real racket driving this: the symbiotic relationship between door-knocking storm chasers and homeowners who treat their insurance like a subscription service for free home upgrades.
Every time we get marble-sized hail for 3 minutes, neighborhoods get swarmed. These guys knock on your door, circle a few random scuffs with chalk, and promise they can "eat your deductible" (which is literally insurance fraud) to get you a brand new roof. And people fall for it constantly.
I had three different guys ring my doorbell last month swearing my 7-year-old roof was "totaled" and if I didn't file a claim that day, my carrier would drop me. I finally got paranoid and called a local crew pickle roofing, told them upfront I wasn't filing a claim and would pay cash out of pocket for any real patching. The guy went up there, came down 20 minutes later, and told me flat out: "Your roof is perfectly fine. It has at least 5-7 good years left. Do not let those guys convince you to file a claim".
Yet, if I look down my street, three of my neighbors with houses built the exact same year just got full replacements. For what?
Insurance companies aren't charities. If thousands of perfectly viable "30-year roofs" in Collin and Dallas counties are being replaced every 5-6 years because of aggressive sales tactics and homeowners looking for a freebie, of course our premiums are going to $4,500+ a year.
Stop letting these fly-by-night contractors invent damage on your property. We are literally pricing ourselves out of our own state.
SASman80@reddit
I work in insurance. This is closer to reality then you can imagine. Then add in the fraud that's extremely difficult to fight and you get the current issue.
scottchr13@reddit
Insurance made a disasterous decision years ago to allow contractors to use Xactimate. It allowed them to find all the ways to supplement claims.
IntelligentSinger783@reddit
Yep sales pushes and insurances not being truthful. We took the 2019 hail storm and all the neighbors got new roofs. Instead I just walked it and noticed there was granual loss and a couple areas that needed a repair. 3 more hail storms and 2 years later and I finally replaced the roof. Waited until slow season, and then put on a f-wave by revia (composite shingle) roof. Put a peel and stick below it and used galvalum on the valleys and lead boots for the vent pipes with gaskets below. Changed all the plastic duct jacks to imperial r2 magnetic goosenecks. Survived 5 hail storms with 0 damage and get door knockers attempting to sell me on a reroof every time. No man. There is no damage, my roof should last 50 years unless it gets smacked by basketball sized hail.
scottchr13@reddit
FWave is a great product!
chengstark@reddit
how about built proper steel sheeting roof…
BitGladius@reddit
I don't want to listen to rain hitting a steel roof.
scottchr13@reddit
I have one; I think everyone has the noise idea from barns back in the day that had metal screwed over lathe boards. With decking, attic insulation, and a properly fastened panel, I hear no more than I did with my shingled roof? I'll have some dents from hail, but with deductibles going crazy, I'm okay with the dents.
Snobolski@reddit
TIL asphalt shingles "rot."
Guess what that steel roof gets laid over? That's right... OSB (or plywood if you're fancy). That's what rots. Get a hole in your steel roof, it'll "rot" too.
Delicious_Hand527@reddit
The main reason is that steel roofs also get damaged by hail - a roof is also aesthetic factor and not just protection for your stuff. There are modern ones which mimic the look of various kinds of shingles (and therefore hide more damage than standing seam metal roof), but they are even more expensive than a standing seam roof.
romang12@reddit
I have no idea why this isn't a solution in most hail pron state. I would have even paid extra for hail proof roof when I bought my new construction house if it was offered.
chengstark@reddit
Yeah I don’t understand it…
HockeyBikeBeer@reddit
Surprised I had to scroll down this far to find the actual solution. Build a roof that can survive the expected conditions.
CountRock@reddit
Maybe we need to stop installing roofs that are damaged by hail!
scottchr13@reddit
This!
KellyAnn3106@reddit
We also need to stop filling our garages with $500 of junk and leaving $75k cars in the driveway. Some of my neighbors end up with a new car after each hailstorm because they can't be bothered to park in the damn garage.
Snobolski@reddit
Which Dallas Chief of Police was it who said if people would just clean out their garages and park their cars inside, Dallas would have better crime stats...
Dapper-Ad-4300@reddit
Noooo don’t point out the planned obsolescence noooooo i need to blame the individual regular person instead of the multimillion dollar corporation
bobua@reddit
Here’s the thing. Let’s say you’re 100% correct. (And my personal opinion is that you are at least close).
The solution is at a legislative level. Counting on the goodwill of any of the three parties involved is some combination of naïveté, stupidity, and sabotage.
Insurance companies, roofers, politicians, and lawyers all directly benefit when the finger pointing is directed anywhere but at them.
scottchr13@reddit
You are 100% correct, we can't even get state licenses required for roofers in Texas. You need a license to wash someone's hair, but not to expose your largest asset to rain, flooding, improper installation resulting in leaks, mold, etc.
A214Guy@reddit
There is some truth to it being at the legislative level but also there has to be some incentive toward repair vs replacement. Also structuring homeowners insurance deductibles to be tiered or loss categorized as opposed to a % of the total value should be modeled and explored
bobua@reddit
Yes, but pointing out those things need to be legislated, not just an industry group implementing their own rules.
Restil@reddit
All I know is, when I got my roof redone 2 years ago (paid entirely out of pocket because it was old, not hail damaged), it was incredibly difficult to get a roofing company to even bid on the project, let alone show interest. Their first question was always "Is this being covered by insurance." After saying no, most of them ghosted me. Of the ones that remained, they took an extensive amount of time trying to figure out how much it was going to cost. I suspect they're used to greatly overcharging when an insurance company is picking up the bill and don't bother spending the time to work out an accurate estimate. But when they actually have to be competitive and keep the profit margin reasonable, it becomes a complicated process that they're not used to.
scottchr13@reddit
Retail roofer here! Totally agree, so many of the companies only work with customers if a claim has been filed. And then they want you to sign a contract that allows them to supplement your claim without you know (this means add to the claim amount, which they keep). We tell everyone if the roofer is not willing to give you a written retail bid for your roof, run! Retail roofers are great at helping with insurance claims, we just don't play the game of marking up your claim.
Radixx@reddit
I ran into this when I had a section of my roof that needed replacing. The big companies wanted to a) replace the entire roof and/or b) would only work if it was insured. I found a small roofing company that would work with me.
NeedleworkerNeat9379@reddit
Please send me their information. I'll be having my roof done the end of the year
Radixx@reddit
Yepez construction. He was great to work with and his office was always very responsive.
actor9591@reddit
I work for my dad’s company, Arrington Roofing. We’re not storm chasers or door knockers. We tell people the truth about their roof. Deductibles are crazy and it’s not always economical to file a claim. We’ve been in businesses for 43 years and we will repair a roof because we know it will come back around.
NeedleworkerNeat9379@reddit
Thank you
Maleficent-Distance3@reddit
I would add, it has become much like going to the doctor's office. Cash gets a discount. I'm not sure why you had so much trouble getting a cash bid. I can do that in a heart beat. And Yes, it may be cheaper than what I would charge for an insurance job. BUT I have staff to help work the claims process to make sure everything I put into a roof gets paid for.
I wont put on a roof without replacing all soft metal. Using synthetic underlayment, drip edge all around, metal valley's and a minimum class 3 shingle. Short of an act of God, my roof will be covered for life. And if you cant get me(cause I died) there's about 45 other local guys I work with who would be happy to keep your business.
hkral11@reddit
My BIL is a roofer and told my dad he can clear $15,000 in profit on a roof replacement for a large home. It’s insane.
Express-Way9295@reddit
Maybe there should be some regulation in the roofing industry?
Anxious-Economist-53@reddit
I could have gotten you a bid as soon as measurements came in, which takes maybe a few hours. It’s not that hard to write an estimate. I’d rather have a homeowner pay cash because I get paid faster.
NeedleworkerNeat9379@reddit
Who did you use? I'm planning on a new roof the end of the year and I'm not filing a claim
xRedempx@reddit
You would be correct, generally a cash bid outside of insurance is going to be much less but when insurance gets involved the price goes up.
It’s why you had the interaction you did :(
Fandango699@reddit
Insurance companies are incentivized to payout claims. They've figured out the more they pay, the more they can ask regulators for price increases which then feeds the narrative their revenue is growing. That's why you don't hear complaints about insurance companies not paying claims, they want to pay claims. Customers are happy because they got a "free" roof (until they get their renewal), insurance company are happy because they can show revenue growth without adding customers, and regulators are impotent to apply any pressure.
RoyalRenn@reddit
It's a systemic inefficiency.
1) If the insurer denies a claim, they wil be responsible for far more money if there are future leaks into the home that result in an HSE issue. Up to the cost of the structure if mold develops as well as medical claims. So the new roof claims are paid.
2) the insurers do not have adequate resources to adjust each claim after an adverse weather event. So they rely on roofers, which have every incentive to recommend a full roof replacement.
However, 80% of these full roof repairs should be $5k "fixes" and not $45k replacements. But in the aggregate, the system does not reward repairs over replacement.
However, at some point the bill comes due as insurance becomes unaffordable. My home insurance is $4,800/year. A new roof is 10X that. If I filed a claim once a decade, it's unprofitable. Many get a new roof twice that often.
I had a roofer hassling me for a new roof. I declined and filed a claim for repair ($3,300) instead. I didn't want to lose USAA due to filing too many claims, as I'd already had a $20k claim for hail damage to my car and USAA shouldn't pay $50k when it's not necessary. But most people don't take that route.
ninenine9999@reddit
I've never seen an insurance policy cover mold for anything but accidental discharge (i.e. a hidden plumbing leak). The HO 03 policy, which is the most common, excludes mold except in this specific case. The most common mold endorsement caps losses at a low limit, usually just $5k. I have also never seen a homeowners policy provide any sort of medical coverage for residents of the house.
Insurance companies do not rely on roofers to adjust claims. If there is large storm, insurance companies use independent adjusters, sometimes from out of town if necessary. However, these adjusters are paid based on the amount of damage they write, so there is some incentive to pay for roofs.
Aant0ni0@reddit
lol 45k replacement?! 5k is a full tear off and replace.
IShouldBeHikingNow@reddit
Not sure how this fits into the overall picture, but this isn’t unique to Dallas or even Texas. Florida and California are both seeing dramatic increases in home insurance premiums. All three states have different regulatory approaches, as far as I know, so it’s not even necessarily a regulatory issue (or at least not only a regulatory issue).
Exciting_Drawing_553@reddit
I lived in Florida several years ago and pretty much every admitted carrier pulled out of Florida so you were stuck with these non admitted carriers that would fight tooth and nail to avoid paying a claim. My MIL had to deal with that when a hurricane hit in Cape Coral. She ended up paying it off pocket and then her insurance company denied her claim. After years of fighting it in court she finally got made whole.
At least we still have strong admitted carriers in Texas but things may change. My neighbor is a Farmers agent and last year I believe they limited values on homes up to $500k. They may have relaxed that but there’s nothing near me below $500k
Impress_Playful@reddit (OP)
You hit the nail on the head. The threat of future mold or water damage liability absolutely forces the insurers' hands. It's wild that the system is so broken that a $45k replacement is somehow the "safer" bet for them than a $5k patch.
Major props to you for taking the sensible repair route with USAA. If more people looked at the long-term math instead of just seeing a "free" roof, we wouldn't all be drowning in these premium hikes
dmmee@reddit
I noticed that roofers don't leave extra shingles like they used to. Pretty sure we can guess why.
RoyalRenn@reddit
Thanks! USAA has always been incredible for us, paying our flooded business claim due to the 2021 freeze in days rather than months, allowing my wife to get back to her patients immediately. Most business owners weren't so lucky.
We are happy to return the favor and make sure they aren't getting hosed.
A realtor friend told us that many in her industry, if the inspection shows roof damage, recommend that their clients (buyers) file a claim AFTER purchasing the house, even though the damage occured before the purchase. Again, unscruptulous behavior driving up claim rates.
JPhi1618@reddit
I think you’re way overestimating the cost of a roof. Roof on my two story house was $20k.
perfecti0nate@reddit
If I can suggest one more dynamic at play… resale value.
Most homeowners will do whatever it takes to maintain their resale value, therefore they are even more easily incentivized to bite if a full roof replacement is on the table. Particularly when roofers come knocking or everyone else in the neighborhood is getting one.
As you also mentioned, the system doesn’t reward repairs over replacement. I had a full roof replacement in 2018, but USAA initially only offered to replace 75% of the roof. My first thought was, “how am I going to explain this if I sell my house?”
Beautiful_Welcome_33@reddit
This. Also, people seem to think that filing a claim that isn't paid out is a net neutral event.
Every claim filed incurs a responsibility on the part of the insurance company to investigate it. That costs at a minimum several hundred dollars and it absolutely factors into your rates personally and your neighbors.
If one roofer hits a whole neighborhood and convinces a few streets to pursue claims that won't meet their deductible - the math looks much closer to a bunch of total losses than a couple houses with mostly minor damage in reality.
Maleficent-Distance3@reddit
It's more complicated than you describe. If you have hail damage it needs to be addressed. Trying to be 'nice' or 'respectable' to the insurance company will bite you in the rear if you have damage over 1-2 years old depending on policy. If hail impacts have knocked all the asphalt off your shingles at the impact spots and the paper is exposed and creates a leak a few years down the road. your claim may be denied if the last storm that could have caused the damage is 2+ years old.
The best advice is to have your roof inspected by a respectable local company. I can recommend me =) . I wont pressure you for anything. And if I do put your roof on, I can guarantee I'd rather keep my past customers happy than knock on doors. Trust me, it's easier that way.
Necessary_Jacket3213@reddit
A 30 year roof is not going to last 30 years. Probably your common misconception. That’s like saying cars last about 8 years but so and so’s car quit working at 6 years. Most if not all roofs are not going to go for 30 years. There will be something that happens where shingles get torn, leaks happen. Probably easier to blame climate change than people who are trying to “game” the system. If the rules were so against the Insurance companies, they would change them or charge even more and they’re not changing the rules. Imo it’s more likely climate change cause everyone probably doesn’t want to file a claim all the same
elcontadordeplata@reddit
Roofing companies are the modern day version of ambulance chasers.
ButterscotchHour4211@reddit
The insurance companies used to provide discount on home insurance premiums 10 years ago on newer roofs. It was their ploy to encourage home owners to replace roofs so that they can raise the rates. It gives them the opportunity to raise the premium by- say $500 when only $100 is warranted by the algorithm. That's how insurance business work. Encourage claims and charge more. That's how health insurance industry is making billions every quarter. They encouraged doctors and hospital visit for little things many years ago. Governanment and regulators are getting dumber and dumber every year and businesses getting creative to make more money. And Americans are getting poor every year.
Penguins_in_new_york@reddit
I work in insurance and do you want to know the punchline of this joke?
Texas is one of the better markets imo.
txnewsprincess@reddit
Or you can be stuck in the situation we’re in: We bought our house from an estate, and nobody was clear on how old the roof is. We had a company come out to help determine the age, but that isn’t good enough for our insurance company, so we’re paying to insure a house that has a roof as old as the house, even though it’s clearly newer. Our house was built in 1961.
tadblong@reddit
There is an abundance of ridiculously bad info in this thread.
YonexFan@reddit
Some anecdotal event that confused me, years ago, hail storm, had it inspected by roofer, roofer says "some cosmetic damage but no structural damage your roof is 2 years old, it's fine", all state insists I get a new roof. Go figure.
DisgruntledTexan@reddit
I’ve had three roofs replaced. Every time, had two adjusters come out and agree. Wtf are you gonna do against softball sized hail?
Snobolski@reddit
Blame your neighbors for filing a claim after that hail, of course.
Witchy_bimbo@reddit
🙄🙄🙄🙄 imagine blaming your neighbor and not the billionaires bleeding us all try. Insurance is a scam because it’s allowed to be. They want us thinking it’s each other so we don’t come together and demand more.
Mewni17thBestFighter@reddit
Insurance companies could save money by paying for their own inspection on every claim and having that person be trained to educate homeowners about roof maintenance and care. They don't because they make more money just raising rates because we can't not have insurance.
Most people can't look at a roof and tell if it needs replacing. We shouldn't have to he suspicious of every company and yet that's where we are at.
Witchy_bimbo@reddit
Yep. They’re incentivized to screw us over.
Mewni17thBestFighter@reddit
Even the fly by night roofing companies wouldn't be the problem they are if the government put together a task force that targeted anyone with predatory practices.
I don't get why people struggle so much to understand the government is run with our money and they work for us. They should absolutely step in. Why should everyone who owns a home have to be roof experts?
Witchy_bimbo@reddit
Yep. They should protect us from corporations. They should make sure we are housed, fed, and provided with Medical care. Instead we’ve just all decided they don’t need to do any of that as long as they protect the billionaire class and bomb girls schools. Cause obviously our neighbor who get a new roof a few years early is the reason everything sucks.
DalAusTexan@reddit
Wow
DalAusTexan@reddit
What is something the government does well besides tax and put out fires?
PseudonymIncognito@reddit
The mutuals face the same issues that the for-profit insurance companies do and are pushing through the same rate increases and coverage reductions.
Witchy_bimbo@reddit
The mutuals?
PseudonymIncognito@reddit
Companies like State Farm, Amica, Liberty Mutual, Nationwide, etc are mutual insurance companies.
I.e. they're cooperatives owned by their policyholders and they're facing the exact same cost and pricing issues that the for-profit insurance companies are.
Witchy_bimbo@reddit
Because it benefits the for profit companies if any sort of cooperative or alternative model becomes unsustainable.
wlcm2jurrassicpark@reddit
WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE POOR INSURANCE COMPANIES!! THINK OF THE SHAREHOLDERS!!
Dude fuck off. Insurance is such a massive scam and toll on the American people. Even if you lowered the claim rate, your insurance would still rise... because of climate change every one's property is continually at greater risk every year. Plus they just raise rates whenever they feel like it... lose renewals from clients that year? Raise the rates on everyone else!
WHEN WILL PEOPLE STOP SIMPING AND PROTECTING BILLIONAIRES!
This shit is not our fault for getting a new roof..when in many cases people never file claims on their policy.
Stop trying to change the working and middle class behavior, put your effort into placing ALL the blame on the people charging and exchanging nothing for the premium.
Oh and one more time..
FUCK OFF.
DalAusTexan@reddit
at USAA the insured IS the shareholder There are plenty of non profit insurance companies ie Texas Mutual, Farm Bureau, USAA etc.
The NTX roofing / homeowner insurance rate issue is real.
Not everything can be blamed on corporate greed.
Fluid_Change_9647@reddit
On the flip side we have All State, a company my family insure their home with for over 30 years without any claims. When we finally had two tornadoes within a few miles and hail storms all within a couple of years and State Farm wouldn’t approve a replacement. We had to hire someone to do an engineering report before State Farm would replace the roof. I agree there is plenty of abuse with shady contractors but the insurance companies aren’t exactly trying to help people either.
Hozay_La15@reddit
Your first problem was going with Allstate or State Farm. Contractors say they consistently have issues getting claims approved with these carriers.
Fluid_Change_9647@reddit
The policy was stated decades ago by my in-laws. I don’t think they were always so bad to insure with. Needless to say they’ve changed insurers after fighting with them so much.
Kind_Strike_9026@reddit
After the garland Rowlett tornado a few years back, State Farm fought numerous of my neighbors over what was tornado damage and what was flood or water damage. Evidently having your roof ripped off causing water damage, isn’t covered by State Farm.
K1tSp4kety@reddit
I just came here to say that a contractor being "fly by night" implies that they will take your money, maybe do the work, and then either leave town or go out of business.
I'm not defending either one. My point is that a lot of roofing companies are not fly by night by that definition. Rather they are established in the community and long running businesses with BBB ratings. Like I said, I am not defending them, I'm saying they will still flood your neighborhood with door knockers and will still push a new roof even if you don't need it. They are dishonest like the fly by nights, they are just big enough to stay afloat and not have to leave town.
Some roofing companies focus on new construction and supplement their revenue with hail storm reroofs. Others ONLY do reroofs. The reroof only companies are more likely to be fly by night because if the weather is nice for a season or two, they can no longer sustain their business model.
Suspicious_Prior_808@reddit
Sounds like some bs. Your not going to blame the profit driven insurance companies?
Fragrant_Plant_7335@reddit
So unfortunately, if you pay cash, which is very noble of you and your neighbors get new ones through their insurance it goes by ZIP Code so while you spend your hard earned money for the roof and pay the insurance rate you’re paying for everyone else to get a new one. If your neighbors have gotten new roofs yours most likely does have enough damage for a claim.
What they are saying is true to an extent it depends on your policy, but with farmers for example at five years, they would pay to replace your entire roof after five you would have to come out way more out-of-pocket, and they would only pay a portion because of the depreciation, so it’s still definitely on the insurance because we had one lady whose roof was enough to file a claim but it was eight years old and so she mainly had to come out of pocket so sometimes if you wait, you’re the one that gets screwed.
fastingslowlee@reddit
I’ve had many people come to my door and telling me my roof isn’t too bad but they can help me get it replaced easily by insurance and hand me a business card.
Definitely a scheme going on that will line some peoples pockets and hurt everyone else
caitlinketchup@reddit
Climate change, family housing used as an unsustainable investment vehicle, claim inflation from contractors looking to make an easy check, shareholder profits, and tariffs are all to blame.
electricgotswitched@reddit
Those scammers are definitely an issue, but insurance companies don't just say yes to every claim. They'd send someone out to verify the condition of the roof. They don't want to pay out either.
Impress_Playful@reddit (OP)
But these door-to-door guys know exactly how to game the system and wear the adjusters down. Even if some get denied, the sheer volume of frivolous calls and borderline approvals is exactly what's bleeding the whole market dry.
bioskope@reddit
Riiight those home insurance folks must be drowning in debts, because of whatever gaming you perceive happening, and not swimming in record profits because of double digit premium hikes and becoming more cut throat with under writing and pushing for laws to help them avoid making more payouts. Lol
https://www.justice.org/resources/research/insurance-industry-is-quietly-making-record-profits#:~:text=April%201%2C%202025,year%20for%20the%20first%20time.
Resonance_Forms@reddit
Right? What level of witchcraft is this when we blame normal people for increases in prices when it's corporate greed?
DonkeeJote@reddit
Premiums go up because the number of claims and cost to repair go up.
Profits go up because they make investments with deposits. They don’t materially come out of premiums.
happy_puppy25@reddit
“They don’t materially come out of premiums”.
The deposits are less than 1% of revenue. Deposits are no longer a part of business for State Farm, they don’t hold the deposits themselves anymore even
DonkeeJote@reddit
Right, they invest the float on premiums instead of holding them. State Farm actually lost $6.1b on claims in 2024.
goatswithattitudes@reddit
Good!
a1usiv@reddit
The insurance companies are just as bad. They'll find any way they can to deny legitimate claims and weasel out of paying up.
Resonance_Forms@reddit
Yes! We legitimately had close to $60k in damage from very large hail that hit our property last March and their adjuster was trying to tell us we only had $12k in damages. We had to hire an appraiser to come in and prove that there was a ton of damage their adjuster wasn't even acknowledging. We didn't get our property repaired for another 6 months while this played out, only for our insurance to eventually pay out. This property was built 10 years ago, had never had a claim on it, original roof, we have good credit, etc. The insurance company dgaf and still tried to screw us over.
Snobolski@reddit
Wear the adjuster down? Last two hail claims we filed, the adjuster did just fine finding plenty of damage to claim all on his own.
allbusiness512@reddit
No, the adjustor isn't in the business of giving away free roofs lmao.
tx4468@reddit
There was a house across the street that apparently someone put an offer on who was friends with a storm chasing roofer and the house sat on the market for 300+ days every buyer came and almost every couple of weeks a new inspector was up on the roof. Until finally a insurance truck was out there and inspecting it. This was from a storm that happened maybe 3 or 4 years ago. Anyway shortly after the insurance truck left was there the roof got replaced and the house sold about 5 months later.
Beautiful_Welcome_33@reddit
It still raises your rates when that guy inevitably gets a claim filed and insurance inevitably doesn't pay.
Even if it is withdrawn or not paid out it raises rates in the aggregate.
SuccessfulHospital54@reddit
Could also keep rates lower by redoing a failing roof that wouldn’t have been done otherwise, keeping insurance from paying out for more.
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mantisboxer@reddit
And that's why, of the insurers still in Texas, you're seeing massive deductibles for roof damages on new policies. My next hail storm is going to cost me $5000 out of pocket. Luckily, I know a few things about roofing and when to actually replace it
LowerSeat2712@reddit
Oh the irony of climate change-denying Texas trying to grapple with the effects of climate change.
Wild_Arm34@reddit
I have a "No Soliciting" sign on the front door. Best not to talk to them at all, which is a waste of time.
Fit_Smile1146@reddit
They call or text every day after a storm 🤦🏽♀️ got my information from the county website.
Wild_Arm34@reddit
I block their numbers after a text. If a caller doesn't leave a message, I block the number. Blocking on our devices is a hassle, but it works.
djporter91@reddit
Yeah this is obviously what it is. But god forbid anyone take any responsibility
zeroonetw@reddit
There isn’t an insurance crisis. Insurance premiums are up commensurately with housing prices.
hkral11@reddit
But the housing market increase doesn’t actually correlate to the cost of repairing a roof… not to mention in addition to increasing premiums they’ve also raised the deductible percentages
Shanknuts@reddit
There’s a reason anyone that runs a contracting or roofing business rolls around in a 100k truck and lives in a massive house and I feel like many don’t owe this to doing honest business.
hkral11@reddit
Ding ding ding!
ZeRussian@reddit
Back in my adjuster days, roofing profit margin from insurance jobs was 40-50%, granted deductibles were lower and insurers weren’t moving to mandatory actual cash value settlements at that time.
I stepped on a lot of roofs that didn’t warrant replacement with roofers begging me to write a check. “Oh come on bro, do me a solid. I’ll have my crew here tomorrow before your reinspectors can see it so you don’t get in trouble” fucking scammers.
Sounds like nothing has changed and the homeowners are left holding the bag of higher premiums. Claims cost money to investigate whether pair or denied.
hkral11@reddit
I have to say, the absolute worst person I know (who previously couldn’t even hold down a job) has made a killing doing roofing because of this. It’s a business for scammy salesmen
jtbestatthat@reddit
Ever pay for a roof out of your own pocket? Average home nowadays would cost 20 grand. Get a new roof then cancel the insurance.
jfjfjjdhdbsbsbsb@reddit
** It’s Fraud. **
Why not just call it what it is. Homeowners and contractors committing fraud.
avebelle@reddit
You know what’s also unpopular, houses in dfw are built pretty poorly so it’s not surprising that they are heavily impacted everytime a storm rolls through.
gamesterdude@reddit
The real root cause is climate change is increasing frequency of violent storms plus the concrete sprawl of DFW creates a heat dome that makes DFW extra susceptible to violent / extra large hail storms.
OwnLadder2341@reddit
You live in a dangerous part of the country, climate wise.
And it’s getting worse.
So yes, insurance rates will rise before the exodus.
curiosity_2020@reddit
Have you not been through a full scale DFW hailstorm? In my neighborhood, the worst ones come around about every 7 years. They sound like the hailstones have smashed through the roof and are ready to pound through the ceiling. My 30 year warranty shingles are lucky to make it 10 years. I've even been told that insurance companies don't want to write a policy on a house with a roof older than 10 years. Also that an old roof with hail damage will prevent a home sale because they new owner won't be able to get home insurance.
Sure there are roof scammers but the damage is real and expensive to repair. Some areas magically never get hail, don't ask me how, but most do get hit.
Insurance shouldn't be the tool for replacing roofs in DFW but it's the only way most people can afford to do it.
ty944@reddit
I see your frustration but “eating your deductible” is just them taking less profit it isn’t insurance fraud lol
FoodMadeFromRobots@reddit
This is wrong. Although this practice is extremely common and there’s an argument that if an insurance carrier says here’s $50k to replace a roof and you get it done do $40k what’s the harm, technically the deductible is supposed to be out of pocket costs.
House bill 2102 passed in 2019 makes it illegal for a contractor to waive or offset a deductible.
ty944@reddit
Fair I’ve been out of the business since 2017 but would that not fall to lazy insurance adjusters accepting roofing claims that don’t meet the requirements?
Emotional-Loss-9852@reddit
Yes, everyone getting roofs replaced for every hail storm is like 90% of why premiums are so high.
The proliferation of uninsured motorists is why auto insurance is higher too.
EngineeringNo2984@reddit
The problem is that insurance gives people the wrong incentive. Imagine not having insurance - would you replace a damaged roof if it’s not leaking and / or can be repaired? If there was an option to repair instead of replacing AND have the insurance cover the replacement if deemed necessary due to the same damage down the road, I think premiums could be lower.
Snobolski@reddit
I like how you talk about the increasing cost of insurance but then call it a free home upgrade. Maybe your definition of free is different than mine.
HockeyBikeBeer@reddit
That’s actually a popular opinion.
I_SmellFuckeryAfoot@reddit
worked at one before. they don't want to pay y'all
GamerTex@reddit
Funny story. We got our roof replaced due to obvious damage about 10 years ago
Our neighbor lost their coverage and was forced to move because they didn't
YMMV
medisamurai@reddit
Nah, it’s the insurance companies. This actually sounds like propaganda tbh
DonkeeJote@reddit
Why would insurance companies want to replace more roofs?
Dapper-Ad-4300@reddit
It does sound like propaganda, because the average person who lives here is incredibly susceptible to it
Twitch791@reddit
It’s always providers. Same with Medicare and Medicaid fraud. It’s always providers. Home owners are stupid though
JazzyPhotoMac@reddit
No.
vlatheimpaler@reddit
Those scam roofers are nothing new.
What is new are the recent massive increases in building costs during the last few years. If the number of roof replacements stayed the same, insurance costs would have to go up to make up for the cost of materials.
qkilla1522@reddit
Most home owners insurance policies have cosmetic exclusions. That means the insurance company isn’t paying those claims out.
suspect_toothpaste@reddit
The philosophical idea of insurance is to indemnify due to a peril/loss. Mathematically, the more people paying into an insurance pool, the less of a a burden (premium) each person has to take on. When you combine these two premises, the only logical way to go about this is to socialize the cost of peril/risk upon everyone that has a property interest in protecting against a loss or peril INTO ONE INSURANCE POOL which would be managed by the government, as the government would be the only entity that could act impartially as possible and be held directly accountable. But this is a pipe dream and would never happen. Society does not run on logic and sound philosophy and so here we are getting scammed, grifted in insurance.
AffectionateKey7126@reddit
Is it unpopular? I thought it was pretty accepted. Then again, I remember seeing some post here where some guy argued he actually needed three roof replacements in like 6 years.
Impress_Playful@reddit (OP)
Ha, three in six years is exactly the kind of madness I'm talking about... Maybe it's a popular opinion after all, but the folks treating their policies like a free upgrade subscription are definitely the ones making the most noise.
xRedempx@reddit
Need to think higher than this, trust me I don’t want to excuse insurance companies as there’s a lot of issues in the insurance world. But the people you need to be mad at is the politicians and the Texas department of insurance. If you want changes to happen it starts with law reforms and the department of insurance as all insurance companies operate under the department of insurance.
Dapper-Ad-4300@reddit
Nah it’s all my neighbors fault apparently
EaseShort@reddit
Nope it’s just how corporations are squeezing profits for shareholders! Things will only get worse.
Dapper-Ad-4300@reddit
Blaming the consumer for using the system instead of the multimillion dollar corporation for raising prices. Classic Dallas
SpoonFed_1@reddit
but the rates are going up everywhere not just in dallas
the fact that people want the insurance to buy them new things is nothing new, and the insurance takes into account the fraud.... we all pay for the fraud in terms of our premiums
chaseacheck100@reddit
You are 100 percent correct.
BigSmoothplaya@reddit
I found this hilarious: https://imgur.com/a/Zc0Klip
UptownHurl@reddit
I’m sure there’s some credibility to what you’re saying.
Here’s what I know - I know that I am not a roofer. I know diddly squat about roofs, really, beyond the couple I’ve supervised being placed on my homes. I also know that the insurance companies have the responsibility of evaluating and determining whether a claim is valid / that they will honor it before shelling out the cash for repairs.
Beautiful_Welcome_33@reddit
Yes, but even having insurance send someone out is going to raise rates in the area. Once the claim is filed the rates are rising, both personally and in the aggregate.
DarkL1ghtn1ng@reddit
I'd feel more sorry for the insurance company if my financial responsibility wasn't tied to my home value. A roof is a roof is a roof.
CommercialAnything30@reddit
Exactly true. Not hard to see. Everyone wants a roof for as cheap as possible and we are all paying for it.
5x4j7h3@reddit
On top of that, asphalt roofing is relatively cheap. 30 squares is usually $10k or less if you shop around. Filing a claim just to pay increased premiums or risk getting dropped after the claim is filed is just not worth it.
IHateHangovers@reddit
This is an example of what happens when you give people “free” stuff. They take it and screw everyone else.
10Core56@reddit
A circle has no beginning or end...