I’ve never said this phrase or heard someone say this phrase in my entire life living in the UK. That being said I don’t live in an old cockney sitcom.
We say aye he’s ‘pan breed’ in parts of Scotland fairly often. Mostly with humour. So never said about a loved one, more like a celebrity you thought was alive and shocked to find out they are in fact pan breed.
When my child was about 4, I picked her up from my sister's house and she told me that Auntie Joanne's cat was 'brown bread'. (He'd been run over that day). I've no idea where she had heard it 🤣
Pork pies - lies. Old cockney rhyming slang.
Very few people under 85 use rhyming slang any more.
How old are you, where do you live/come from, and why do you have this fascination with London slang?
Plenty of Londoners “under 85” use at least some cockney slang. Even if they don’t think of it as cockney
You’ve never heard someone call someone a Berk?
I, and my mates will occasionally say "hovis" but not "brown bread".
As in
"Did you hear about Ian Huntley?"
"Hovis?"
"Yep"
(Hovis is a brand name of a company that makes brown bread).
I use it. I’m 40 and of Cockney origin.
My whole family use it.
It’s not a very sensitive or respectful way of referring to a death. So would be used for very mention of a passing.
You can really tell which comments here dont know about the resurgence of cockney rhyming slang and which do. And I'm willing to bet its the old men and women here who refuse to get with the times.
Reddit is a great old geriatric home.
Its harmless. Like you guys genuinely find so much annoying and complain about so much- life must be exhausting. Fads are harmless fun you can have with friends, inside jokes and shit.
What happened in your life to make you this way? Did you forget what being young is like? Why is it that every older generation despises their youngers?
Come on man... be better
Dude, where did I say it annoys me?
Where did I say people can't have fun with it?
I just said that as we get older we usually don't feel the need to join short-lived fads. I didn't say others were wrong for doing so.
>What happened in your life to make you this way? Did you forget what being young is like? Why is it that every older generation despises their youngers?
You are making a lot of assumptions there.
>What happened in your life to make you this way?
'This way' is not what you seem to be assuming. 'This way' is either not noticing youngsters new fads or noticing but not needing to join in. No slight on anyone. It just doesn't affect our lives. Unless our grandchildren participate, in which case we might be mildly amused.
>Did you forget what being young is like?
Nope. And being older doesn't mean we are curmudgeonly, as you seem to be suggesting.
>Why is it that every older generation despises their youngers?
Wow, dude. Check your own perceptions there. That's not remotely true.
And if you think that 'not getting with the times' about things that are a passing fashion equates to people despising you, then you are the one who needs to 'do better'.
Learn not to generalise whole generations.
Learn the difference between 'not even noticing what slang the kids are using this year' and 'despising you'.
But don't worry, you probably will 'do better' in a few years time.
Theres not much to say. Lies are Porky Pies. Stairs are Apple and Pears etc. They just take a word and turn it into a pair of words, the 2nd word rhymes with the orignal word and the 1st word shares consonants with the original word (or alliteration)
Onky as a joke. If you've not grown up with it - and I wouldn't be able to say how many people have, really - cockney rhyming slang is just for occasional giggles.
There some words that I've grown up with that weren't used for comedic effect and I didn't even realise were rhyming slang.
A suit was always a whistle. The piano was the Joanna. Titfer was your hat. Donkeys meant a long time. Pony meant crap. Jacks meant on your own. Lies were Porkies.
Bread was the word for money as far as I was concerned. I never heard Brown bread for dead until quite recently, as a kind of cockney joke.
All of this. Also "bubble" to mean a joke (bubble bath = laugh, so "you're having a bubble, right?" was a common question).
Brown bread very much feels like a mockney thing, not something anyone uses.
Its clearly an age thing. I never heard it in the wild, to me it sounds like middle class mockney, but the youngest of my proper cockney relations is 80 now.
>it sounds like middle class mockney,
Nah. Definitely old school cockney. Pronounced 'brahn bred'..
The youngest of my 'proper cockney' relatives would be 103 if he were still alive, and he would have thought only people older than him used it.
Coming, as I do, from a family of cockneys from Camden Town and the Old Kent Road, including a great Aunt who was born on Lambeth Walk, I have never heard anyone say that in my 50 years of being alive, except on the telly. Noone actually talks about a real life dead person that way.
I've only heard people say that specific phrase as a joke parody of how people think 'cockneys' talk. But if you talk like that then I guess the parody has become real.
Maybe i'm a little more common than you.
Maybe it is more orevalent for people who grew up on an estate..
Maybe you had a bit of a sheltered upbringing.
Who knows? Maybe you weren't qualified to speak for every Londoner
I'm not young, I was rattling around the estate in the 80s and 90s. State school. Mates all of the same social class. Always out as kid.
Lots of factors.
Ha. There's another commenter from Poplar who backs me up. Would also say the group of lads I know from Waterloo, Borough and Bermondsey would also back thi.
Maybe it is a slice of London, East and Southeast, zones 1 and 2
Seems we may be a bit more common than most!
There's caveats of course. I'm not going to say to someone "Sorry your Mum is brown, John". But i'd say "Thatcher's brown"
If you don’t live in East London, then probably nobody. For those who do live there, probably a small percentage but are much more likely to know its meaning.
I know one person who talks like that and he's full on old skool cockney with a colourful past shall we say.
Outside of that group really nobody talks like it. That was kinda the point, people wouldn't understand unless they were from that area
About 20 years ago when I was living in Manchester some poor guy got run over by a truck. I walked past the scene and overheard a couple of builder types say very jovially "he's brown breaded" which I thought was in terrible taste, and was also a really odd way of using the phrase from a grammar point of view. I don't think I've ever heard the phrase in the wild since
Pegged it/snuffed it were traditionally used for dying. I think pegged instead of legged for running away is more common in the slightly younger generation.
My partner says it (male, mid-40s, grew up in south west England - I think he just thinks it’s funny). I wouldn’t, and I don’t really hear it other than from him, but it’s a well known phrase.
Yes, he's brown bread - he's croaked, snuffed it, pushing up daisies, taking a dirt nap. He's stiff as a board, bereft of life - he rests in peace, he's kicked the bucket, shuffled of this mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin choir invisible. THIS IS AN EX-PERSON!
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