[Optic] Vortex Venom 1-6x24mm w/ Venom Enclosed Micro Red Dot Bundle $349 @ Scheels
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shoot. I missed this sale
Bringbacktheblackout@reddit
This is a great deal, but it doesn't make any sense to me to use this package as it sits. If I had another rifle with a higher mag scope I'd put the dot on that, but man I just don't get having a top dot on a 1-6.
Next_Emphasis_9424@reddit
This mount is currently exclusive to this package. Plan is to take the 1-6 and throw in on my American Defence Recon mount and use this with a MPVO down the road.
Bringbacktheblackout@reddit
Thats a great plan. Im cool with top mount dots on MVPO's and HPVO's. That makes sense and there's good reasons for it.
Once again too this is a great deal for all this stuff. if you're planning on splitting it up amongst 3 different guns fucking do it, it's worth it.
Next_Emphasis_9424@reddit
100% a great deal. $350 shipped and I have a temp red dot for my pistol, till I save up for the one I want, a 1-6 on my AR, and a mount system ready for my current build I’m slowly putting together.
norcal313@reddit
I have faster target acquisition when I used a piggy back red dot on my LPVO. Much faster.
Bringbacktheblackout@reddit
Practice more.
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Or I can just remain better with the red dot.
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Please post a video of you shooting on a timer from the low ready at a paper target say 25yds away. Do it once with your red dot and once with your LVPO on 1x with zero changing of equipment on the rifle.
Obviously both groups will be the same size right?
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Is that how you think everyone uses their rifle? Not everyone is a hobbyist. If you ever have the chance to do some live firehouse training you'll understand.
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
The officer that took down the shooter at a Christian school in TN used his offset red dot rather than his high end LVPO. Some may leave their LVPO at say 3x to 6x and use an offset or top mount red dot for 1x. It comes down to personal preference and how one trains. I don't recall the model of LVPO the officer used or the max magnification but it was a more expensive LVPO and an expensive mount.
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If you have an LPVO, why add a red dot? I’m genuinely asking.
You now have two ways to shoot 1x and a more restrictive way to shoot 2x or more.
I’d rather go like 3-12x44 and a red dot - you cover so much more ground.
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Plenty of reasons. You don't have to agree with all of them, but they are all valid to some extent.
-The Red Dot is now your backup sighting system. If you have a mount with big 1/2 hex bolts like a Geissele or Badger, you do not have a way to instantly use backup irons unless they are offset. Many people, myself included, do not like offset sights. I am aware that the chances of you needing to deploy your sights mid-gun battle are infinitesimally low, but objectively speaking being able to access your backup sight at all times is better than the alternative. The downside to this choice is that your backup sight is now battery-powered, but again, what are the statistical chances that your scope AND red dot fail at the same time?
-It's lighter than an MPVO and red dot. The Venom 1-6 is pretty light for a 1-6 at 19 oz. You might say, "it's only a couple ounces more for an MPVO". But maybe somebody who picked LPVO + dot was using RDS + mag before, so they've already made the decision "it's only a couple ounces more for an LPVO". I.e. they're already tacking on more weight than they want to. Then it's only a couple oz more for a heavy barrel, or that SOPMOD stock, or a quad rail handguard, etc. now suddenly you have a 5.56mm carbine that weighs more than a loaded M1 Garand.
-You can still use the 1X on the scope as your primary 1X sighting...but if you're on 6X and, oh shit, you suddenly have to shoot at close range, switching to a dot is always going to be faster and easier than fiddling with a throw lever. Yes, you can do this with an MPVO, but an MPVO doesn't have a 1X. If you have time, you can switch between 1x and 6x/8x easily. If you're in a hurry, you have a 1X with your dot.
Related to me having an astigmatism, I want to shoot with a 1X whenever possible like the rest of you normal people, but instead of a crisp clean 2 MOA dot I see a 20 MOA supernova splotch. "Just put the blob on the bad guy" maybe that works at 25 yards but 50? 100? No. A 1X LPVO gives me a good 1X AND a good 6x/8x that I can't get from a prism sight.
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Remaining on 6x and blasting the target is even faster than taking yourself out of the sight picture, making less contact with the gun, re-aligning your aim down the red dot sight, re-acquiring your target, and then blasting it. I have been in this exact scenario before (on a competition stage). I had an offset red dot, which is a much better setup than a top dot for a number of reasons, and I got surprised by a target on a blind stage at 6x. It was so much quicker to just blast it, and it would have been even quicker if I hadn't been at a full 6x to hit a 200 yard target.
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I do agree that to an extent you can always just point-shoot. Being able to reflexively switch between scope and dot is something that takes practice, but regardless the 1X can always be there for that and other reasons.
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As I state those that use night vision gear are not going to be able to use a scope. Those that may want to transition quickly form magnified LVPO or medium scope are going to leave the scope at say 4x or more and use the red dot for close targets. Some who compete in 3 gun or other competitions that involve timed shooting at targets at various distances use an top or offset red dot so they do not need to take the time to adjust their LVPO from one magnification to the other. Shooting with the use of a red dot or other 1x optic is generally faster than using 1x on an LVPO due to limitations of the optics in an LVPO or any scope. There are videos on YouTube where very good shooters have timed themselves using both and they are always faster with a red dot than a scope.
Some do not need 12x for their competitive shooting. It is a personal preference for each individual. One would also need to look at the weight of the scopes. I assume a 3-12x44 scope may weigh more than the LVPO scops some use.
Many do not train enough so probably should not use any top mount or offset red dot.
I am not trying to sell you or anyone else on using an LVPO with a red dot. It is just an option that some choose and I gave you some of the reasons I recall for them using the combination.
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Passive aiming with NODs is an absurd reason to change your gun for the remaining 99.99% of the times you use it. At that point having a dedicated NOD set up would make more sense than permanently changing the regular set up to suit passive aiming.
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NODs was not the only reason I listed for why some may want a piggyback or offset red dot. Some may not have the money or storage space for multiple rifle setups. MODs is expensive so maybe that left them broke. /s I know someone who lives in a small apartment in a city with among the highest apartment and home prices in the state. Some may not have room for multiple rifles where they live.
Brass Facts and Hop do a lot of NODs shooting in the desert where with NODS the distance is much more limited than during daylight hours. They can do whatever they find works best for them. They do change their rifles and have changed their rifles and optics over time. Some want a single do it all rifle even though others will point out that may not make sense. I am not going to tell them or anyone else what makes sense for them. I was just trying to give various reasons some may choose to have a piggyback or offset read dot on an LVPO or other scope. I know others have stated reasons why they do not think it makes sense.
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A second upper takes up no space and costs less than the stupid mount the nods go on.
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NVGs? Is this some rich person joke I’m too poor to understand?
Sorry I totally glossed over that part at first. It’s a great point I didn’t even think about for real.
I didn’t think about the competition aspect - I’m not nearly fast enough for the dialing of 1x-4x to make a difference for me - so again I just didn’t consider it.
And just like you’re not trying to sell anyone, I’m not trying to dissuade anyone - I was genuinely curious. I appreciate the input!
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You're welcome. I am always happy to explain when someone does not attack me.
I put and offset red dot on a 5-30x scope on one of my newer AR rifles. That scope was a spare for now and I wanted magnification while I test that rifle on 500 yard range. My plan was to quickly move my 2-12x scope to that rifle with the red dot. The 5-30x has been on the rifle now for a year and I have not shot it out to 500 yet. One excuse I have is I discovered the barrel extension was slightly clocked so I stopped shooting it until I got around to sending it back to Ruger for new parts. I have not trained with the offset mount either. I know I need to do so but I have been enjoying doing other things at the range. It is not in my top 5 list of home defense weapons so I don't feel it is a high priority in my situation.
I also have an old Vortex Venom (not the current ones) on an AR15 rifle with 1-6x LVPO. I have not trained with that red dot as an offset either. I have a lot of fun things I can do at the range for training when I decide to move them up in priority. I need to figure out first when do get back into IDPA/USPSA this spring.
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Literally put together my first "higher power scope and offset red dot" setup, and I couldn't be happier with it. It's a 5-26x50 with an RMR at a 45 degree offset to the right (want to try swapping this out with a Holosun so I can get the 1MOA dot with circle for more precision close in).
Such easy transitions, and when the scope is super zoomed in you can use the red dot to get close and then transition to the higher magnification (I see this in PRS competitions pretty commonly, but never used it there myself).
That said, my setup isn't on an AR...I stuck it on a newly built Kidd 10/22, haha.
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Yeah but having shot under night vision its faster still to use passive aiming devices like a peq which even the useful knockoffs are more expensive than this combo.
Also the proper use of an LVPO is as a red dot that also allows you to take the occasional further shots when needed. If I was going into a tight space looking for a target, my LVPO is going to be at 1x and it's probably going to be nicer than this combo. If it's such a huge difference in time to get on glass instead of the red dot thats much higher up and comes with a lot of other downsides, that's more of a training issue than equipment issue.
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Yeah the dot makes little sense in what I’d call real world practicality (me shooting at stands and gongs in a field). I did pick one up as I’ll use the red dot on another gun but I’m glad to see most people truly have good experiences with this LPVO. I’m sure there’s better bang for your buck at times but I’m tired of waiting, haha.
Bringbacktheblackout@reddit
Man I don't know this is one of the best for the money out there. I've had a chance to look through some higher end ones like ATACRs and Kahles and yes they are absolutely great and fantastic, but it's not my $200 optic that's holding me back from shooting better.
billytoad631@reddit
Anybody know if any sales on just the optic and mount I don’t really need or want the red dot
Potential_Space@reddit
If you ended up getting this, DM me... I'm interested in the venom
arctic28@reddit
I just got mine from Sportsman Fullfilment for under $200, then the low profile mount for like $30. Have to add to cart to see the lower price.
https://www.sportsmanfulfillment.com/vortex-venom-1-6x24-sfp-ar-bdc3-30mm-tube-riflescope-ven-1601/?searchid=551222&search_query=Vortex+venom+1-6
papasmurfshongo@reddit
You can easily sell the red dot for worst case 80 to 100 bucks on eBay or somewhere else. This deal is a steal.
billytoad631@reddit
Yeah thought about it for another build but I don’t want the mount with an optic plate just hanging out in space either and buying a new mount defeats the purpose
Glittering-Wasabi778@reddit
Comes with standard ring cap in the box if you don’t want to run the dot
billytoad631@reddit
Well that changes everything if true
papasmurfshongo@reddit
It is true. I've been chatting with a Vortex rep in email about this package.
Webbt@reddit
GAFShub just went public
EnvironmentalClue362@reddit
I know bass pro / cabelas had a solid sale recently on just the venom 1-6x and mount. Not sure if they’re still running it or would honor it.
distracted_adventure@reddit
I've been monitoring this sub for the same thing - this optic and mount only. I honestly don't know what's a "deal" for just that, but I pulled the trigger on this last week. Optic, vortex mount, and 10 ar15 30rd mags for $330
https://ar15discounts.com/products/vortex-venom-1-6-24-sfp-30mm-ar-bdc3-lpvo-w-2-cantilever-30mm-mount-10-pmag-bundle/
realityflicks@reddit
That seems like a pretty good value prop yeah!
Hanshi-Judan@reddit
Get the bundle and sell the red dot.
villa_straylight@reddit
OOS
OrtnerSkor@reddit
Did not give me MIL discount
Next_Emphasis_9424@reddit
Weird worked for me.
AssSpackler@reddit
What’s the code for military discount?
OrtnerSkor@reddit
There is no code. You use ID.me or something like that and then your profile shows verified.
Next_Emphasis_9424@reddit
350 shipped in for one, I really need to get off this subreddit
oakleyman23@reddit
Well, glad I skipped the previous $399 deal, got this for $355 to the door with mil discount.
XIIX3@reddit
Anybody see what mount height this is?
Caesix@reddit
1.5"
AssSpackler@reddit
Thank you! Bought me one. This is a solid deal if you want this exact setup
BigMountainsGuy@reddit
Damn this is BIN price. I think last black friday it was $400 at cabela's and it was already a good deal.
FYI Scheel's veterans discount stacks with the already discounted price.
Thanks OP for posting
pslyke@reddit
thank you for the confirmation of the deal- bought on a whim, can’t pass up a deal on a solid optics for a plinker
nbluey@reddit
This was my first lpvo, and it’s fantastic for the price. Definitely has some heft to it, but I really enjoy shooting at 100yds with it
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