I really don’t understand what y’all are talking about for price… am I missing something? 600-700 horsepower for 100k rare spec car that’s equivalent to a eray vette. More affordable than a base 911 and a hell of a lot more power. I really don’t understand what y’all want. A 600 HP 50k car that’s not a piece of shit? At what point in history was that possible?
Look at the specs of these vehicles and come back to this post and tell me what you found… how is a base 911 comparable to a 600 horsepower car? And look at the price of a base 992 911. Like why even reply without doing any research
Drive a base 911, then drive a Dark Horse SC. This category of buyer doesn't look at HP, they want an emotional connection with the vehicle. I'm betting you'd choose the 500-pound lighter Porsche.
Absolutely nobody buying a base 992 cares about “an emotional connection with the vehicle”, what a horrible purchase decision if that’s what they’re looking for.
I have money, its trust and character i need around me. Ynow, who you choose to be around you, lets you who you are. And one car in exchange for knowing what a man’s made of, thats a price i can live with
Power is cheap, quality is expensive. They strapped a supercharger and pepboys front fascia on a $60k and called it $100k. The interior is still trash. The ride quality is still bad. It still handles like a truck unless you put $800 a piece tires on it.
90% the same as a GT500 but with suspension improvements, and a GTD based traction control. Plus some other small things Ford hasnt mentioned yet.
103K isn't am absurd number. Yes on the higher side on what I expected. I was thinking around 90-95K.
While it's being marketed as a track capable car, I think most people will either street it or use it as a drag car. The ECU will be unlocked, and it can make 1000whp with just a few mods.
For that specific purpose I can justify the price tag.
Ive owned Mustangs and Porsches...oh and won 3 national road racing championships. And probably forgotten more about this topic then you will ever know.
Specs arent everything. Theres a reason (lap times, weight, feel) Mustangs always get shade when talking about sports cars. Great muscle cars though!
What’s your point? A base Porsche is dollar / HP not equal to this car and especially not a base dark horse. And your car is obviously modified and isn’t relevant
What specs, though? Even the power numbers seem to be vague. I'm trying to see what it does, what it's capable of, but I only see 700-800hp and "lots of downforce" so far.
I saw that 815 mention, but I wonder if it's only in select SC trim levels? It also says:
"The base model starts at $103,490 before gas guzzler and destination fees come into play. Even the base model, though, nets you a supercharged 5.2-liter V8 making well over 700 hp."
That's an odd thing to say if it's already specifically 815hp. Why even mention 700 at all?
Try even the lower end of the specs. The Hellcat Challenger would be the only thing that comes close to meeting the standard, and it’s been out of production for roughly 3 years now.
What specs?? Power alone means nothing without weight. Downforce isn't really useful unless you track ( which maybe 10% of the buyers will do). Once the actual complete specs and track times come out, then we'll actually have something to compare it to. The Corvette LT1--the base model--puts down some very strong numbers in the 70-75k bracket.
I assume you meant LT2 in the base C8. This will not be competing with the base model corvette. Sure, we don’t have all the data currently, but I’m confident that this will perform better. It’s also a more limited run vehicle which is less comparable to how mass produced the C8 is. Like it or not, exclusivity drives price up.
Mass production vs limited run hurts the Mustang here for everyone comparing prices. Mass produced is usually better for cost, reliability and value.
The C8 and Mustang are very different cars, especially now with the Vette being mid-engine. I'm curious how this turns out. Ultimately 90% of what people say on here is meaningless, haha. We don't know how it will sell. Though limited run cars like this are probably carefully created and the market known (wealthier collector types) so they can pretty much bet on them all selling just fine. A sure thing is easier to bring to market.
The GT500 from 4 years ago started over $80k and sold very well to my understanding. I think this one will be just fine. I don’t think they’re planning on selling 50k a year lol
Are there already lap times for a car that was just recently announced? Send either if you have them. And I’m talking stock for stock brand new, not modified used cars.
The factory warranty being voided means it may as well be used. A modified car is not the same as a factory car. Comparing them makes zero sense. If that’s the standard, every new car ever made isn’t worth the price.
That was my point. The value of those is unrealized until you actually sell them. But in the event you ever want to get into another car, you'd probably end up picking something that didn't depreciate as much - which can be seen as a good or as a bad thing
That’s not how comparisons work, that SVT cobra was the pinnacle of what a Mustang could be back then. You couldn’t get a better Mustang back then if you wanted, and it was still cheaper than a "high end" Mustang today.
And the pinnacle of what Mustang could be back then is still less car than what you could buy today. Not really sure if I can explain it another way but I don't feel like it's that difficult to understand. The best CPU from 10 years ago is absolutely outclassed by a midrange and even some entry level ones from today. The best camera from 15 years ago absolutely can get outclassed by a camera from 5 years ago. In all spaces besides, like, lighters... where there is room for technology and innovation the latest things will eventually outpace the top of the line from back then.
like I said before, that’s not how comparisons work, and the fact you don’t understand this is hilarious. Go look at any car in the last 30 years and compare its msrp from then to now, I’ll give you a few examples since you fail to comprehend this. 1999 Mercedes S600 had an original msrp of $134,000 in 1999 which is equivalent to $234,000 today, a brand new S63 AMG which is way more car and way more technically advanced than that S600 could ever be starts at $190,000 and with options can go up to $240,000. Same with the old Lexus LS400 and new LS500 today, same with the 90’s MK 4 Supra and the modern day Supra. Cars were actually more expensive back then.
Uh yeah it pretty much is. I think you’re confusing it with the SC Track Pack and/or the SC Special Edition. The base SC is just more power and some extra doilies over the dark horse
Sure, but millions can, which means there's a pretty big market for cars in this price range. 5% of households make over $300k per year. Not that spending $100k on a car would be prudent, but it would be the equivalent of a household making $100k buying a new camry.
Google AI tells me 337k vehicles over $100k were sold last year for over 2% of US vehicle sales. The number is growing rapidly and up almost 4x compared to 2020.
The important part is it is a highly profitable and rapidly growing segment of the market. Wouldn't be surprised if it's over 5% of the market within a few years. K-shaped economy gonna do its thing.
A Roush stage 3 S550 was 55-75k when it came out. It had 670-775hp depending on options and you could order it from the dealer. Wtf is this gaslighting about 2003? This sub is just bots at this point.
You are NOT comparing this mustang to a 911. That’s preposterous. The corvette is a dedicated sports car that beats this thing in every aspect but interior size.
yeah the outrage seems overblown tbh. everyone comparing it to a base mustang like thats the point. this is competing with GT500 prices from a few years ago and its got way more power. dealer markups on high performance stuff have been insane anyway, at least this is msrp
LFP advertises superchargers installed for about 15k plus a mustang gt they list at 49k so for 64k you could have a supercharged 800hp mustang... in 2026
And they come with a warranty... like any new ford with ford parts installed at the dealer. Point is it's more than 40k-115k less and missing what? Carbon trim and brakes and sticky tires on the 175k mustang
For what? Again, a ford performance supercharger gives you the same power for a fraction of the cost.
You said everyone is crying it's too much money and that kind of performance has never been available for that cost, I showed it was from nearly any ford dealer and now you're out here taking about bored out engines. My guy....
105k is too much for a supercharged mustang. 175k is ridiculous.
This is in many ways an S550 GT500, mechanically speaking, which started at $80k in 2022. I know inflation is a thing, but were talking about a 25% price bump, and Ford had to pay the Shelby tax to build the GT500.
That’s what this sub has turned into. The price for toys has increased more than my salary and I what the toys to be cheaper. I do to. Shits fucked but the rich keeps getting richer :(
Well for one thing, even adjusting for inflation like C&D did, its price has risen quite notably.
Secondly, you accurately mention the E-Ray being similar money, a car which should completely outperform this in most any performance metric (0-60 in 2.5, for example). So this Mustang is a bit of a tough sell when you're now in the territory where a M8 or something isn't out of reach anymore, which also will combine performance and daily comfort likely better than this will.
Is it the world's biggest ripoff? No, but if pony cars are supposed to deliver strong value for dollar, this is not as strong as some past Mustangs beyond just a horsepower number.
If Redditors replied with half as much elegance never the less research this would be a substantially better website. But we have dudes sayin “my shitty old 911 will beat some random shitty old mustang in a niche league where modifications aren’t standard” but you see where I’m going with this. It’s not that wild of a price maybe 5-10k over price but this isn’t a base dark horse which is 65k but I think that is a fare price if you account for it being a bit more “premium”
Two things are true here - one is that Porsche has had a pretty strong track record fore reliability over time. Expensive repairs? Sure. But overall reliable, moreso than most dedicated sports car companies.
The second is that Ford has been on a streak of absolute trash reliability for the last few years. Thankfully it's a lot of smaller things, but still let's not pretend like Ford's are super reliable nowadays. BMW's are generally more reliable than a modern Ford lol.
That’s just it. Mustang was never a rare spec car that was made to keep up with a 911. It was a mass produced moderate performer for just about everyone. Cheap interior and zero accoutrements - fun to drive.
You seem to forget that for about $37k, back in 2003-2004, they built a flagship car that would handle 600hp with a 6 speed and irs. Indexed for today’s money that’s about 65k.
Yeah man, it's not like the first generation of Mustang had a bunch of comfort trims named stupid things like "Grande" or "Mach 1," or a bunch of rare spec cars intended for racing with names like "Boss 302" or "Boss 429" or "Drag Pak." Ford never did any of that. It was always just a barebones fun car, because Ford was dumb and didn't offer as many customers as many versions as they could.
The Mustang has always had luxury and sporty options, and usually both in the same car.
That's fair it's also fair that this mustang gets a lot of hate because it's a refresh. It's not doing anything particularly exciting and hasn't since launch. Compared to what GM is doing with the Corvette, It deserves criticism and so does Ford.
815* hp :) honestly the car itself is probably not much car for the price, but for the horsepower there aren't many options left around that price range. It'll unfortunately probably still get clapped by a C8.
Seriously. Cars just stupid expensive these days and that is a lot of car. Inflation adjusted and it’s not that far off from previous halo-lite models like the Shelby GT500.
But the real answer is “not very many people“. Google tells me that Ford produced 4k-5k Shelby GT500s annually.
Personally I’d never buy one but it doesn’t seem much different than a corvette
Honestly from everything I've heard, it's probably a very similar experience. It's getting a slightly more powerful version of the same engine, on the same chassis, with similar design philosophy. Just seems like an updated version of the same car to me
Unlike the GT500, the SC does come with GTD bits, such as the brakes, and better aero. The engine probably has beefier internals too. I don’t know how much better it is, but I don’t have any doubts that it’ll be a better performer overall.
11k is a huge swing when you're talking like 30k to 40k. For someone spending 90k on a car, 100k isn't really a massive step up. It's a little more than a 10% increase, not nothing but not likely to massively influence behavior.
Honestly the bigger problem in pricing is that 100k will carry a psychological barrier to it that other numbers don't.
right, 11k of real dollars. I mean, I frankly don't think it's that significant for the people buying those cars. I'm not super interested in any vehicles around that price segment outside of the Cayman, but I can afford them and I don't think the difference from 90 to 100 would sway me one bit. That's generally the case in these ranges.
I'm going to have to imagine Ford will be vindicated when this thing hits dealers. Am I interested? Not really, but I don't find mustangs appealing. However, plenty of people do.
That's honestly a lot more than I would expect, given the state of Mustang sales overall. If they were selling 4k gt500s last year, that would have been 10% of sales.
I could see that. Most people buying Mustangs brand new have disposable income. Most people with disposable income for a $50,000 today probably also have disposable income for a $100,000 toy.
Yeah, but the Cobra R was likely priced so high because of volume. It costs a lot to build a car with a bespoke engine, exhaust, suspension, brakes, seats, body parts, etc. for a car they made 300 of. I bet the price would have come down substantially if they built 5,000 a year for 2-3 years.
Well smack my ass and call me sally, Google Gemini says the average MSRP for the 20 currently available models with over 700 horsepower is $235k. Holy k-shaped economy Batman.
And many of those have no performance to speak of. Saw an ad of a shitbox Lexus RX SUV with enough body roll it looked like it was driving on a 30 degree slope.
Most of those influencers aren't actually making big money, they're almost all financed to the gills or paycheck to paycheck on leases. Not even counting the ones who have shady back end deals that enables them to claim they "own" cars they have no real claim to.
Any material you can share that dives into this? I always found it sus that these car influencers who seemingly pop out of nowhere are suddenly driving around 6 figure cars or are able to somehow have a fleet totalling the MSRP of a Lambo and able to fix them up and still able to...you know, live? Mortrgage/rent, food, gas, etc..HOW?!
Doug is so interesting because about 60% of what he says is super interesting and well informed. The other 40% is pretty out of touch though at this point
I dont understand what channel you're talking about, but yes many influencers run their business activities through an LLC or sole proprietorship, but thats not always the optimal way to do it as evidenced by shmee150 who runs everything as a private individual
I don't have and hard stats, but when you think of cars as capital expenditure/investment, there is potential ROI for influencers.
If you make $10k/mo from content, you can afford $3k+/mo on a GT3RS. You should be able to take a deduction on it which lowers the effective payment, but really it's needed for content and image.
If having a GT3RS helps you get ad sponsors it's not crazy. Not unheard of to get paid $1-3k/month for smaller creators on a single ad deal. Having a flashy car brings in viewers and pays the bills.
I'm by no means saying it's financially reasonable or responsible from a personal finances perspective. But from a business perspective you can begin to justify it.
Yea, but they have unlimited credit lines. Ford doesn’t care if you’re rich or hood rich. They just want you to buy it. You, the bank, mob loan. All the same to ford.
The top 10% account for over 50% of all consumer spending.
Not to say that there's not significant disparity in incomes and spending power, there is, but FYI this was so heavily debunked it's not even funny.
Basically a staff economist at Moody's tweeted this out over the summer, it went super viral, but they never published a single thing about it. A bunch of other economists ran some figures and it's mathematically impossible.
The BLS tracks and publishes consumer expenditures data, and releases delayed reports with it by decile. In 2023 the top 10% of income earners accounted for about 23% of aggregate expenditures. After tax income of the top decile is something like 34% of aggregate income, and higher earners have higher savings rates thus lower consumption relative to income.
Adding to this, Moody's has never responded to anyone's requests for methodology/data, nor has the guy who made the tweet. The running theory is that they realized they messed up their methodology and have decided to just pretend like that economist never made that tweet, rather than come out with egg on their face.
Much much easier to spread disinformation than to rebuke it unfortunately, spaces like reddit are especially bad at this because anything that meets confirmation bias will be amplified.
Are you sure his comment wasn’t specific to spending on cars? It would make more sense with cars than other consumer goods, although I still dont think the math works out.
Good. There are many things that are factually wrong in what he's saying. He's not debunking anything. His entire understanding of the topic is from headlines he read on Reddit.
While the figures are heavily debated, you are so wrong on so many other details you appear to be as misinformed as people you're trying to dunk on.
It wasn't some tweet made by a staff. Chief economist at Moodys made the claim. The report is still available but it is paywalled. Tons of news organizations have been given access and reported on it.
It wasn't some tweet made by a staff. Chief economist at Moodys made the claim.
IDK if you're struggling with reading but nowhere did I imply the person was not an economist,
The report is still available but it is paywalled.
No, it is not. I happen to have access to moody's analytics and this is nowhere to be found. Some people have claimed to have seen the details, nobody has discussed them or verified anything.
I know you're trying to sound smart here, but you might want to start by actually reading the post you're trying to attack lol.
The mass market who only cares about being able getting from point A to point B as affordably, safely, cheaply and reliably as possible. Currently this market is only interested in hybrid SUVs.
The rich exotic collector market who only cares about how rare or exclusive the vehicle is. Cars being more expensive than it's worth is seen as a positive because it means the car is more exclusive but still obtainable without being in some invite-only club.
Everyone else is priced out of the market and just fighting over table scraps in the used second hand market.
I meant for cars and trucks are not cars. Though SUVs and crossovers are technically classified as "light trucks" but only by a technicality for a CAFE regulation loophole, but most SUVs are still practically just cars.
The top 10% of income earners breaks out at about 180k or so. I think if you're in to cars and spend modestly elsewhere you can definitely afford a 100k car on that income. That's one in 10 people.
Go to any larger city, walk in to a decent restaurant, solid chance that half the people in there make 180k or more. Lots and lots of people can afford this car.
Reddit is just full of very young people who don't make a lot, and think that anything remotely expensive is exclusive to billionaires.
I know it's just a matter of priorities, but that's insane to me. I make about $130k a year, and keeping ratios, the thought of dropping $72k on a car gives me anxiety. Could I swing it? Yeah. But it would keep me awake at night.
Not just priorities, wealth and income are two different things. If you’re on 130k but have a house paid off and decent money in the bank or invested then why not.
Reddit is just full of very young people who don't make a lot, and think that anything remotely expensive is exclusive to billionaires.
Something that people also tend to do is use personal income statistics, when household income is actually more relevant when gauging affordability for big ticket items like fancy cars or houses.
Yes, they might be the same thing for single people, or people who have a partner that doesn't work. But dual income households are also very common.
So in your comment, two in ten people might have an income of over $150,000 - and that's before you consider their partner's income. Successful people tend to have relationships with other successful people. You could easily end up with household incomes double that. And now suddenly the Mustang doesn't look horrendously expensive.
Yes and no - another way to frame it is that the top 20% earn more than the lower 80% combined.
While there is definitely a large population that can afford luxury cars, we are in a K shaped economy and the fact is the majority of Americans can barely afford a reliable family vehicle and insurance/registration/gas/maintenance.
I see them all the time in every upper middle class neighborhood. These people would shit themselves if they saw how much a Yukon Denali costs these days.
They would shit themselves a second time if they met the people at facilities like mine that work hourly, with no college degree, that own vehicles like that, and it's paid off.
Less depreciation too. Buying a gently used off lease sedan is way cheaper than an SUV or truck even if both start >$100k. Cross shopping at 2-3 years old and 20-30k miles results in some weird comparisons at the same price point.
Right, the Tahoe/Yukon start in the mid 60k range, any amount of options has these in the mid 70s. The Denalis/top trims are easily knocking on six figures when optioned out even just a little.
Sit at your local suburban school line or starbucks and count how many late model near six figure SUVs you see. Lots and lots of people can afford cars in that price range, and we got 2/3 of this thread acting like it's the wealthy elite lol.
They're expensive and are only driven by rich enthusiasts and/or posers as a result. The Miata, on the other hand, is purposefully designed and priced in a manner to remain accessible to all car enthusiasts.
That being said, I see a Lotus Omega in your flair, do you own one, because that's crazy haha?
Yes on the Omega. It's quite a treat. Everyone knows it is fast, but the build quality is amazing especially given the time period. It reminds me of an old school BMW that way.
There are guys who make well over $200k a year doing blue collar jobs, retired people, and business owners, those are the primary customers of these cars. If you think $100k is a lot of money, you should pay attention to some of the top of the line American SUVs and diesel trucks driving around because those cost just as much. There are actually a ton of people out there who can buy $100k cars.
I'm not sure what world you live in where you think billionaires are the ones buying $100k Mustangs
Many dealers tried to tell me they had markups on the Si. I laughed in their faces. But it did take me like eight tries to find one that wasn't marked up.
It's so annoying. People will spout it on literally any vehicle. It just shows how out of touch reddit is with the new vehicle market though. I was down voted the other day for saying that there weren't markups on Mavericks and rangers (there aren't)
Essentially a, you will own nothing and be happy. But based on car prices now and from nearly 20 years ago it’s actually not an unreasonable/unrealistic ask. My Subaru Forester Hybrid cost 40k OTD and based off features and class of vehicle it was actually a good deal.
In 2008 a GT500 cost $48k new, which is worth about $72k in today’s money. It also made 500 HP and 480 lb/ft of torque.
A new base Dark Horse costs $63k and makes 500 HP and 418lb/ft which are nearly the same as a GT500 from 2008 and actually comes in a little cheaper comparatively.
Yes, every industry is being propped up by those groups. Look how stadiums shrink seat capacity to add more boxes and premium experiences. It's even happening at the college level with the stadium renovations at OU dropping capacity by a few thousand and time ticket holders getting screwed.
The entire economy is top heavy. For example, most major news sites make the bulk of their money on the tiny sliver that pay for pricey subs, versus the previous model of a small amount across tons of paper subscribers, or via online ads.
It’s just way more profitable to lock in a small number of folks at huge margins than it is to fight tooth and nail to get volume. Thats why Ford is trucks and mustangs.
Gotta fill up that sterile warehouse full of toys that never get used owned by some generationally wealthy family who buys cars as investments (but only like 1% of their actual wealth goes to cars.)
G8x cars are rock solid, not sure what you're talking about.
However, the G87 interior is not really nicer than a fully loaded Mustang IMO. Lots of cheap plastic and you can't even get ventilated seats. And the ventilated seats in my M4 suck compared to Ford (and Porsche)
Good thing we all commute on the Autobahn or that wouldn't matter at all for 99% of buyers while the other 1% would be in a dedicated track car for half the cost.
So what? The S58 is more interesting than the 5.0, tunes better a the car is a much nicer place to spend time. Both are limited production but I’d take the CS every time.
How lol the mustang might be overpriced but the bimmer is ugly as fuk lol, just like the new vette looks like some roblox dream from a 12 year old kid, saying the S58 is more interesting is just fanboy shit both engines are going to have huge aftermarket support, fuking G87 is the ugly duck compared to the old F87
I honestly doubt the M2 will be faster around a track, seeing as the previous GT500 was faster than equal M cars. Also, the 5.2L in the SC can easily be modded to well over 1000hp.
Why do people talk about modding potential? Tune/DPs on any S58 car and you can run 9s too, they're both pretty similar. And your warranty is voided in both. Who cares
Remember a few years ago there was some dealership in Ohio I think that was selling 700hp super charged mustangs with a warranty for like $60k. I don't think they touched the suspension but that seems like a better deal.
The 718 no longer exists as a new car. If you find a ‘new’ 2025 GTS 4.0L with a manual transmission priced at MSRP you should buy it as most are selling for above. As are the 2024 and 2023 examples, so long as the miles are low.
Temporary gap. The cayman is coming back. It’s disingenuous to pretend that the 911 is the cheapest model. Its also cute to think the dark horse sc will not have adm on it.
The Cayman/Boxster will come back at some point. That will not happen before this Dark Horse is on sale. Right now the 911 is in fact the cheapest available two door vehicle on sale from Porsche. It’s neither disingenuous nor is it pretending, it’s just a straightforward recitation of facts.
Generally speaking you don’t compare the new car price to a different used car because they’re different markets. That said, the amount of used 911 you get for $103,000 isn’t necessarily all that exciting, at least if you’re looking for a manual.
"The SC’s spiritual predecessor, the 2022 Shelby GT500, had a base price of $77,260 (around $86,000 in 2026 money) and could be seen as relatively affordable."
Absolutely. Not to mention subjectively the interior and exterior of the gt500 were both better than this thing. $86-90k range makes a lot more sense although frankly I feel like 8x is as high as you could logically justify.
I know it's not for sale anymore but I'm curious if this will outperform the ZL1? That would be the most recent direct competitor. I guess without competition from Chevy they can charge what they want.
I'm not the only one who thinks the visibility isn't great. I have driven 2 of them. Pretty much every auto magazine said the visibility is bad. It's a good car otherwise.
Yes and again these magazines have extremely limited seat time. Sure it’s not as easy to see out of as a Tahoe, but the complaints are completely blown out of proportion.
Camaro fans are a bit bias. I’ve driven the Camaro and while I personally could live with it, the visibility and ergonomics are objectively much worse than its competitors. My coworker has an SS and while he likes it, he himself has compared it to being similar to driving in a tank. I can’t fault people who drive cars with good visibility being turned off by the Camaro.
I’ve owned both. Setting up mirrors properly doesn’t fix the blind spots in the front and side windows. I couldn’t even fit my helmet through the side windows opening.
It should. The GT500 marginally beats out the ZL1 thanks to its horsepower advantage even when comparing 1LE vs track pack.
I think RoadandTrack did a comparison and the difference was 0.4 seconds at VIR between a ZL1 1LE and a track pack GT500 but with a $19k price difference in the ZL1's favour.
Now that this is the same recipe but with more power, stickier tires and revised aero so I wouldn't be surprised to see the Dark Horse SC do better than the GT500 making the lead that much better, but the price difference would now easily balloon to something like 70k over a ZL1 1LE and I'm comparing 2023 pricing. Even with inflation adjusted pricing that is about 60k depending on the ZL1 1LE options.
Just think of this as the latest GT500 by a different name. Ford is no longer going to be licensing the use of the Shelby name for branding, and part of that strategy is to draw higher performance Mustangs more closely in association with Ford's motorsports efforts. "Dark Horse" is essentially their moniker for this (Dark Horse replaces the Shelby GT350 more or less, and the Dark Horse SC succeeds the GT500).
However, intentionally or not I think they are shifting the customer base on this car too. The historic Cobras and Shelbys still had that kind of pony car value component. The social contract (to use a dramatic term) was that you'd maybe not get a BMW interior or the polish of a Lexus, but in exchange you'd get enormous horsepower and performance. But with the current car, prices have climbed pretty aggressively as seen with this car so it's going to appeal to a different kind of buyer. Chevy did that successfully with the Corvette despite not increasing prices so much, but regardless Ford seems to sort of want to position the Mustang higher than previously, particularly with the higher end variants.
Slapping a supercharger on a tarted up GT would have been a 52k car in ‘normal world’. Nah we have this insanity. And why does that thing look like a Camaro now? Screw this timeline I want off.
Hypothetically is this cheaper than a Dark Horse (fully optioned with track features) + Ford Factory blower kit?
Guessing it's a more cohesive package but still. As much as I want to hate the price, G80 M4 Comps are close in price and have less power. There's not much else currently on sale with 700hp and a manual. Base Z06 is still well north of $125k.
My main question is how much stupid ADM are all these dealers gonna slap onto them?
This generation Mustang is such a hot mess. Huge, expensive, cheap, and barely any better than the car it replaced. With the Camaro gone Ford probably thought they could jack the price up all they wanted and even if they lost a few buyers on the edges, their market effectively doubled.
To start? Lmao. This is what happens when the Mustang isn’t kept in check by the Camaro. I’ll be taking a C8 Z06 with Z07, please and thank you. Or, if one is really in the market for a $100K car, they can spend a little more for a lightly specced ZR1 that will annihilate everything short of an F80.
Hell, you could get yourself an M4 CS if you wanted something exotic. The SC is literally for a devout Mustang fan, or for a collector who will buy it and store it away in a heated, plushy garage.
"Ford Mustang Dark Horse SC Track Pack Special Edition — $170,970
The most obvious comparison to the Dark Horse SC is the Chevrolet Corvette—specifically the Z06. The Z06 starts at $122,795, while the ZR1 starts at $187,495; both prices include fees. That means a Dark Horse SC with the Track Pack costs more than a new Z06—but it does have over 700 horsepower compared to the Z06’s 670, at least."
I'm with you. Anyone who can spend $170k can spend an extra $17k. I'd take the ZR1 over this DHSC any day of the week.
I think you might be missing the mark a bit on the special edition version.
Yes it's a lot less car than a zr1 for similar money but it's not really an apples to apples comparison. Ford is asking someone to pay $30k over the regular track pack, for special paint, and bespoke interior. Of course it's bad value, it was never meant to be. They're trying to milk a Ford collector.
The track pack being 140k (while still overpriced imo) is no where near comparable to a ZR1, especially when you consider that the Zr1 is not available anywhere near base price.
The real competition here is with the z06 and z07 package cars. I would still rather give my money to Chevrolet in that case, but it's a closer proposition
The last zr1 I saw on BAT recently was brand new from a dealer and it sold for only ~20k over sticker.
That market is clearly coming back to reality. But yes, you'd have to be a bit mad to take a track pack mustang over a track pack z06/7.
I know the average person will say "who cares, they'll all sit in a warehouse with no miles" but there is actually a culture of people who genuinely track these things.
The general public doesn't go to track days, so they don't see them. And the real high dollar stuff usually is only seen at private track days... The dudes who don't want to be tagged in a bunch of IG posts
The last zr1 I saw on BAT recently was brand new from a dealer and it sold for only ~20k over sticker.
You're not wrong but that was still a 205k sticker price, so the car was 223k plus BaT fees and transport, so more like 230k total. It's cheaper yes but a far cry from the 140k track pack Ford.
My only point was just that it's not particularly fair to compare a purposefully overpriced special edition mustang, to a base Zr1 that doesn't even really exist.
I think it'll be interesting to see how the mustang fairs on the track laptimes. I really doubt it'll come close to the z06, which is really going to hurt it imo. If it isn't outright faster, then there's not a lot going for it.
I don't see any world where the 140k mustang track pack hangs with a 140k z07. Not if they're both on cup2r tires.
It also really doesn't matter... Only in magazines does anyone care about lap time at HPDE. Well beginners care a lot, actually too much... But once it's old news it really just comes down to finding a car you like and enjoying the day.
Can a 50k Rush hang with a 150k z07? No... Maybe, depends on the track and driver... But I promise you the person in the rush is having way more fun, even if they're not that experienced.
Here I thought Reddit finally got one right for once. This car will sell out but only because the volume will be low and the rich want to show off how rich they are. I don't see any real true car guy buying this garbage, it doesn't even look good.
EV adoption is not failing. It continues to gain market share every single year. Only in the US is it having a hard time and only for reasons we’re not allowed to talk about in this sub. Everywhere else EVs are doing great.
They just want to complain. The Prelude died down, and they're having to reach more and more to complain about modern automatics, so now they're desperately searching for the next thing thats ruining the car industry.
I remember the hurricane Katrina gas price spikes that wiped out the entire Hummer brand literally overnight. I specifically remember car salesmen marking up anything fuel efficient and doing shit like selling a 2 year old Scion TC for more than it sold new lmao.
No way, is that right. This sub also told me Nissan was going bankrupt and had no hopes of surviving. You’re telling me it’s actually moving inits of it’s all-new pathfinder, kicks and MT 400z? Get outta town, it’s a good news day
That’s fine, half the buyers are looking for quick flips. This is the car market in 2026 and in 3 years you’ll see cars with 500-1000 miles for 20% off MSRP. We’ve all seen this 100 times before.
I don’t doubt this is going to sell; it’s an American muscle car with some BS special edition package slapped on. Some boomer in a bumblefuck flyover state can and will buy it
We’re just saying it’s a bad overall value and this hypothetical hillbilly is a moron for buying it. But hey, he’s happy with his collectors item
I guarantee you that Ford will sell everyone that they make. Is it disgusting how expensive cars are getting? Absolutely, but the rich fucks will still buy them.
The high trim vehicle is going to sell well enough to justify itself. The gt500 did, and it was similar in price, especially when you consider they were all very highly marked up.
I expect this car to get similar price hikes, though I'm not sure if they'll stick around like they did on the gt500
I think the pricing is Ford's attempt to capture all the money that the dealers would inevitably add as a markup. Then after the initial "gotta-be-first" people have one and there are unsold units sitting around, the incentives and discounting will quietly bring the price down some.
Sadly not totally out of line when you consider the GT500 77k base msrp is around 90k when adjusted for inflation. You are getting more hp and a lot of improvements over the previous gen, although if Ford was able to get this in the mid to high 90s it wouldn’t have that “100k for a normal production Mustang!” Effect
Stuff happens. I'm just pissed that my dealership has outsourced their recall work and the most minor job now means that they have to have the car for 2-3 days.
The amount of people coping by trying to normalize this car’s absurd price tag is unreal
It’s overpriced by $20,000 if we take inflation into account. If we want to just “accept” getting butt** by the typical average car price today, it’s still at minimum $10,000 too high for what it is
Okay, I have some questions about where this matches up vs the Dark Horse/GT500…
The Dark Horse is kind of like an S650 Mach 1? It gets the Tremec 6MT or 10AT and a horsepower bump over the S650 GT
The Dark Horse SC is kind of like an S650 GT500? It gets the supercharger and is only available with a 7 speed DCT
What else do you get when you pay up for the SC? I seem to remember that the S550 GT500 drove way better than a normal Mustang, but according to this article it seems like the base SC just gives you the supercharger and the DCT… which begs the question, couldn’t you just get a Dark Horse and spend like $13k to put a warrantied/CARB approved supercharger on it, giving you similar performance with the more desirable Tremec 6MT?
Unless you really want the DCT, is there any other objective benefit to the SC that you can’t get from a Dark Horse with a dealer installed supercharger for tens of thousands of dollars less?
You think 18 year olds will be approved for a $100k loan? And even if they were, why would get one of these instead of a much more flexable Corvette or used G-Wagen?
$100k+ for a Mustang is wild. Yeah it’s insanely powerful, but the whole appeal of the Mustang was always big performance for relatively normal money. At this price it starts to lose that identity.
Why wouldn’t you just get a slightly used S650 for ~35k and add the supercharger yourself? You’d save at LEAST $50k and all you would need is a decent tune after the Supercharger and you’re all set.
A richer version of myself is the target audience and honestly for that money I'd rather have a Shelby or a Corvette. I'm already not a fan of the S650 aesthetics, and if I had to get something brand new I'd rather have the C8Z or even jump to the Germans. I'm not surprised at the price though with where the DH Premium tops out at.
I love my mustang and have been a mustang guy for years but this pricing is ridiculous. I don’t want to hear “but inflation!!” when a Z06 is a MUCH better bargain at this price. I don’t know man…
We don’t have all the details yet, but this isn’t shaping up to be a great deal. The Dark Horse SC is essentially replacing the GT500, which had a starting MSRP around 74k and made 760 hp. At 103k, the new model is roughly 30k more, so it’ll be interesting to see how Ford plans to justify that price jump to consumers.
Bascially $30k more expansive than pretty much the same car (GT500) when that launched about 5 years ago. Costs for new cars really went insane in the few years
The only thing these will do is help sell more GT’s because salesmen will happily walk prospective customers over to show them how they can get 69% (nice) of the horsepower for $40k less.
"what's up guys, don't forget to click that bell and smaaaaaaaaash that like button cause today we're gonna see how my brand new Dark Horse Mustang will look wrapped around a guard rail."
Any they will all go to people who can afford to flip them or hold on to them in their garage to flip later. Good god has Ford missed the mark and not read the room with this car, what a waste.
parker2020@reddit
I really don’t understand what y’all are talking about for price… am I missing something? 600-700 horsepower for 100k rare spec car that’s equivalent to a eray vette. More affordable than a base 911 and a hell of a lot more power. I really don’t understand what y’all want. A 600 HP 50k car that’s not a piece of shit? At what point in history was that possible?
SouthBound2025@reddit
Its not equivalent to an eray vette. Not even close to a 911. Its a $70k car with a $35k no one cares premium.
parker2020@reddit
Look at the specs of these vehicles and come back to this post and tell me what you found… how is a base 911 comparable to a 600 horsepower car? And look at the price of a base 992 911. Like why even reply without doing any research
Michael-Harley@reddit
Drive a base 911, then drive a Dark Horse SC. This category of buyer doesn't look at HP, they want an emotional connection with the vehicle. I'm betting you'd choose the 500-pound lighter Porsche.
zarif2003@reddit
Absolutely nobody buying a base 992 cares about “an emotional connection with the vehicle”, what a horrible purchase decision if that’s what they’re looking for.
parker2020@reddit
I’d choose neither I drive a 964…
Michael-Harley@reddit
And I drive a 991.
ChrisPnCrunchy@reddit
WOOOOWWWWW you literally could not have hammered their point home any harder with that comment
InvasionOfScipio@reddit
Oh, you can read the brochure. Nice
parker2020@reddit
What a high quality argument you made :) you should get your PhD in arguments
InvasionOfScipio@reddit
I have money, its trust and character i need around me. Ynow, who you choose to be around you, lets you who you are. And one car in exchange for knowing what a man’s made of, thats a price i can live with
parker2020@reddit
lol what the fuck are you talking about 😂🤣🤣😂🤣😂 non sense
InvasionOfScipio@reddit
DK? What does that stand for? Donkey Kong?
Yerriff@reddit
The base 911 is one of the most overpriced vehicles there is
Lucreth2@reddit
Power is cheap, quality is expensive. They strapped a supercharger and pepboys front fascia on a $60k and called it $100k. The interior is still trash. The ride quality is still bad. It still handles like a truck unless you put $800 a piece tires on it.
It's not $100k car.
youra6@reddit
To me it's a GT500 1.5.
90% the same as a GT500 but with suspension improvements, and a GTD based traction control. Plus some other small things Ford hasnt mentioned yet.
103K isn't am absurd number. Yes on the higher side on what I expected. I was thinking around 90-95K.
While it's being marketed as a track capable car, I think most people will either street it or use it as a drag car. The ECU will be unlocked, and it can make 1000whp with just a few mods.
For that specific purpose I can justify the price tag.
parker2020@reddit
You have no idea what you’re talking about
Lucreth2@reddit
If only you had any idea how wrong you are but okay. Not going to doxx myself for your approval.
SouthBound2025@reddit
Ive owned Mustangs and Porsches...oh and won 3 national road racing championships. And probably forgotten more about this topic then you will ever know.
Specs arent everything. Theres a reason (lap times, weight, feel) Mustangs always get shade when talking about sports cars. Great muscle cars though!
No_Golf_452@reddit
Well I've won 4 national championships and Id much rather race this Mustang for 100k than the cheapest 911 for 30k more
SouthBound2025@reddit
Good...go do it. If you've won 4 then you know talk is cheap. I'll be looking for you on the podium.
parker2020@reddit
You just want to get circle jerked by Redditors… no one cares it’s not relevant to the argument
Caca_Face420@reddit
Dude checks out. Porsche drivers think they are elite unless it’s an Italian car. These last few gen’s of ponycars really is killing that narrative
parker2020@reddit
What’s your point? A base Porsche is dollar / HP not equal to this car and especially not a base dark horse. And your car is obviously modified and isn’t relevant
SteveS117@reddit
Name one $75k car from the last year or two that can compete with the specs of this car.
popsicle_of_meat@reddit
What specs, though? Even the power numbers seem to be vague. I'm trying to see what it does, what it's capable of, but I only see 700-800hp and "lots of downforce" so far.
Jewniversal_Remote@reddit
I mean the article says 815hp
popsicle_of_meat@reddit
I saw that 815 mention, but I wonder if it's only in select SC trim levels? It also says:
"The base model starts at $103,490 before gas guzzler and destination fees come into play. Even the base model, though, nets you a supercharged 5.2-liter V8 making well over 700 hp."
That's an odd thing to say if it's already specifically 815hp. Why even mention 700 at all?
Jewniversal_Remote@reddit
Maybe they just really wanted to say well over and couldn't justify claiming that 815 is well over 800, haha.
Or maybe there's some kind of psychological effect with seeing "over 700" compared to "over 800", especially when 815 isn't "that much" over 800.
popsicle_of_meat@reddit
"Mustang Dark Horse SC comes with ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE more than 7hp"
SteveS117@reddit
Try even the lower end of the specs. The Hellcat Challenger would be the only thing that comes close to meeting the standard, and it’s been out of production for roughly 3 years now.
popsicle_of_meat@reddit
What specs?? Power alone means nothing without weight. Downforce isn't really useful unless you track ( which maybe 10% of the buyers will do). Once the actual complete specs and track times come out, then we'll actually have something to compare it to. The Corvette LT1--the base model--puts down some very strong numbers in the 70-75k bracket.
SteveS117@reddit
I assume you meant LT2 in the base C8. This will not be competing with the base model corvette. Sure, we don’t have all the data currently, but I’m confident that this will perform better. It’s also a more limited run vehicle which is less comparable to how mass produced the C8 is. Like it or not, exclusivity drives price up.
popsicle_of_meat@reddit
Mass production vs limited run hurts the Mustang here for everyone comparing prices. Mass produced is usually better for cost, reliability and value.
The C8 and Mustang are very different cars, especially now with the Vette being mid-engine. I'm curious how this turns out. Ultimately 90% of what people say on here is meaningless, haha. We don't know how it will sell. Though limited run cars like this are probably carefully created and the market known (wealthier collector types) so they can pretty much bet on them all selling just fine. A sure thing is easier to bring to market.
SteveS117@reddit
The GT500 from 4 years ago started over $80k and sold very well to my understanding. I think this one will be just fine. I don’t think they’re planning on selling 50k a year lol
SouthBound2025@reddit
Lots of downforce I'm betting with the track package that shoots the price up to an eye-watering $175k.
SouthBound2025@reddit
Specs, or lap times?
SteveS117@reddit
Are there already lap times for a car that was just recently announced? Send either if you have them. And I’m talking stock for stock brand new, not modified used cars.
iroll20s@reddit
You can buy a brand new ford performance supercharged GT for far cheaper if you really want a mustang.
SouthBound2025@reddit
Not modified cars? You allow the tuner division of Ford to compete in your hypothetical scenario but not other tuners?
SteveS117@reddit
Lmao there’s no way you’re being serious. If it doesn’t have an OEM warranty why tf would it be counted in this discussion?
chargedcapacitor@reddit
Slap a procharger on a C8 and it won't stand a chance. The mustang weighs too much to be competitive with anything other than a dodge.
randeus@reddit
Shame C8 supercharger kit, plus installation cost well over $20k. I wouldn’t call that slapping it on.
SteveS117@reddit
Comparing a used modified car without a warranty (that would void the warranty) is not a good comparison to a brand new car with a warranty.
chargedcapacitor@reddit
Prochargers come with warranty. Many companies will replace the factory warranty as well.
Also, I never said used C8.
SteveS117@reddit
The factory warranty being voided means it may as well be used. A modified car is not the same as a factory car. Comparing them makes zero sense. If that’s the standard, every new car ever made isn’t worth the price.
philld5@reddit
People want to pretend its 2003 still
Spa_5_Fitness_Camp@reddit
It's because our salaries still think it's 2003. Yeah, the car prices make sense with inflation, but that's only half of the equation.
parker2020@reddit
A base dark horse is 65k!!!! People here are BITCHING… a mustang SVT terminator in 03 for 35k (55k in today’s money)
StrikeouTX@reddit
You said it yourself. Even when converting to today’s money the dark horse is $10k overpriced compared to a much rarer high end model 20 years ago
Jewniversal_Remote@reddit
You're still getting more car compared to the "rarer high end model" from 20 years ago, in pretty much every way
StrikeouTX@reddit
Definitely will get more depreciation.
Jewniversal_Remote@reddit
Based on your flair it seems like you should be interested in cars that actually depreciate
StrikeouTX@reddit
3 of them are worth more now than what I paid for them. The Audi is the only money sink
Jewniversal_Remote@reddit
That was my point. The value of those is unrealized until you actually sell them. But in the event you ever want to get into another car, you'd probably end up picking something that didn't depreciate as much - which can be seen as a good or as a bad thing
parker2020@reddit
This dude is an ass hole lmfaooo
Ibyyriff@reddit
That’s not how comparisons work, that SVT cobra was the pinnacle of what a Mustang could be back then. You couldn’t get a better Mustang back then if you wanted, and it was still cheaper than a "high end" Mustang today.
Jewniversal_Remote@reddit
And the pinnacle of what Mustang could be back then is still less car than what you could buy today. Not really sure if I can explain it another way but I don't feel like it's that difficult to understand. The best CPU from 10 years ago is absolutely outclassed by a midrange and even some entry level ones from today. The best camera from 15 years ago absolutely can get outclassed by a camera from 5 years ago. In all spaces besides, like, lighters... where there is room for technology and innovation the latest things will eventually outpace the top of the line from back then.
Ibyyriff@reddit
like I said before, that’s not how comparisons work, and the fact you don’t understand this is hilarious. Go look at any car in the last 30 years and compare its msrp from then to now, I’ll give you a few examples since you fail to comprehend this. 1999 Mercedes S600 had an original msrp of $134,000 in 1999 which is equivalent to $234,000 today, a brand new S63 AMG which is way more car and way more technically advanced than that S600 could ever be starts at $190,000 and with options can go up to $240,000. Same with the old Lexus LS400 and new LS500 today, same with the 90’s MK 4 Supra and the modern day Supra. Cars were actually more expensive back then.
Witherino@reddit
With 20 years of tech development, you better hope the cars got better
puffadda@reddit
If you don't care about the tech development you can find cheaper cars to match the performance of the 2003 price point
parker2020@reddit
I think it’s fate to say that as well. But people act like this is 40-50k overpriced.
StrikeouTX@reddit
The SC is. Superchargers don’t cost $40 grand!!
parker2020@reddit
you are misinformed if you think it’s just a supercharger that is added
StrikeouTX@reddit
Uh yeah it pretty much is. I think you’re confusing it with the SC Track Pack and/or the SC Special Edition. The base SC is just more power and some extra doilies over the dark horse
Monkeywithalazer@reddit
Exactly. 100k today is a high end Tahoe, which you see in every other suburban driveway. It’s not like 100k for a sports car is crazy anymore.
Threedawg@reddit
You see in every other rich suburban ghetto.
The vast majority of people cant afford something like that.
Monkeywithalazer@reddit
The vast majority of people aren’t the rage for a 700hp sports car
SouthBound2025@reddit
Even "base" Mustang sales are down by 1/2 compared to a decade ago
FledglingNonCon@reddit
Sure, but millions can, which means there's a pretty big market for cars in this price range. 5% of households make over $300k per year. Not that spending $100k on a car would be prudent, but it would be the equivalent of a household making $100k buying a new camry.
ChrisPnCrunchy@reddit
Millions, maybe
But this is a country of 400,000,000+
so k matter how you slice it, this care only caters to to the 1%
FledglingNonCon@reddit
Google AI tells me 337k vehicles over $100k were sold last year for over 2% of US vehicle sales. The number is growing rapidly and up almost 4x compared to 2020.
ChrisPnCrunchy@reddit
My bad…
It’s a car literally catering to only 2% of Americans
you really boomed me there lol YUUUGGGEEE different lmao
FledglingNonCon@reddit
The important part is it is a highly profitable and rapidly growing segment of the market. Wouldn't be surprised if it's over 5% of the market within a few years. K-shaped economy gonna do its thing.
WarCrimeGaming@reddit
Not even 2003, people still think it’s 2017-2019. Telling people they overpaid for discounted Supras, inflation accounted for.
ChuckWorx@reddit
A Roush stage 3 S550 was 55-75k when it came out. It had 670-775hp depending on options and you could order it from the dealer. Wtf is this gaslighting about 2003? This sub is just bots at this point.
GTE_Engineering@reddit
More like 2020
seficarnifex@reddit
Right now? You can get a clean c6 corvette and supercharge it for 700+ hp and have money to spare
sleazysuit845@reddit
You are NOT comparing this mustang to a 911. That’s preposterous. The corvette is a dedicated sports car that beats this thing in every aspect but interior size.
What are you talking about?
parker2020@reddit
A 2026 base 911 is over priced and is 30k more Than this car…
sleazysuit845@reddit
What does that German grand touring sports car have to do with this top trim(regular production) pony car outside of being overpriced?
You listed cars that don’t compare to this vehicle in more than one or two ways.
To answer your original question, I want a mustang that isn’t priced at the same level as a rural home.
parker2020@reddit
Then get a base mustang, a GT or a regular dark horse… are you dumb?
sleazysuit845@reddit
You’re happy with the pricing?
parker2020@reddit
Everything is overpriced frankly but acting like the 911 is a “better deal” is insane
RoyShavRick@reddit
Aren't there EVs with 600 hp for that much monry?
parker2020@reddit
People fucking hate EV’s here man… but yeah.
RoyShavRick@reddit
Also like what about the new Dodge Charger Sixpack or whatever the heck it is
Ill_Conference_7490@reddit
The ZL1 was 650 HP for 63k in 2022 and that still got hated on
iroll20s@reddit
At least the zl1 was a way better chassis than the mustang. Both are pretty low rent.
Waefuu@reddit
let me introduce you to the wHiPpLe special
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Yerriff@reddit
Honestly I think 100k is bad value for it because that’s Raptor R or TRX money, both of which I’d much rather have.
iroll20s@reddit
Its way worse than the z06 in its price range. Its easily duplicated with a gt and a 10k ford performance supercharger that’s even warrantied.
GettCouped@reddit
The interior is pretty trash. Would rather get a C8 vette or a CT5V BW. Disclaimer: I'm biased.
WhyIsIt27@reddit
yeah the outrage seems overblown tbh. everyone comparing it to a base mustang like thats the point. this is competing with GT500 prices from a few years ago and its got way more power. dealer markups on high performance stuff have been insane anyway, at least this is msrp
UnmakingTheBan2022@reddit
I’d rather get a used m5 do half the price. Still has 600hp. Still a 10 sec car.
4r4r4real@reddit
It's a Mustang with a $10k supercharger kit and a $35k "you're a moron" surcharge dude.
kucharnismo@reddit
comparing a mustang with a 911 is wild
parker2020@reddit
It’s not at all… when the 600 HP car that’s 30k cheaper will give it a run for its money… coming from me a 964 owner.
kucharnismo@reddit
comparing horsepower as the only important metric is even wilder, especially with Porsche
parker2020@reddit
… okay man whatever. I’m fully aware.
BRICH999@reddit
LFP advertises superchargers installed for about 15k plus a mustang gt they list at 49k so for 64k you could have a supercharged 800hp mustang... in 2026
parker2020@reddit
Okay… what’s your point? People want a warranty.
BRICH999@reddit
And they come with a warranty... like any new ford with ford parts installed at the dealer. Point is it's more than 40k-115k less and missing what? Carbon trim and brakes and sticky tires on the 175k mustang
parker2020@reddit
it more than that. engine bored out from 5.0 to 5.2 to start with…
BRICH999@reddit
For what? Again, a ford performance supercharger gives you the same power for a fraction of the cost.
You said everyone is crying it's too much money and that kind of performance has never been available for that cost, I showed it was from nearly any ford dealer and now you're out here taking about bored out engines. My guy....
105k is too much for a supercharged mustang. 175k is ridiculous.
https://www.lebanonfordperformance.com/lfp-common-upgrades-mustang/
3yr/36k warranty. And I read it wrong, 15k will actually get you 875hp mustang gt with a bit less carbon trim for 64k
Mother____Clucker@reddit
This is in many ways an S550 GT500, mechanically speaking, which started at $80k in 2022. I know inflation is a thing, but were talking about a 25% price bump, and Ford had to pay the Shelby tax to build the GT500.
parker2020@reddit
The SC does have significant upgrades over the base dark horse. But yes that’s fair as well
origami_airplane@reddit
It's not too expensive, people just can't afford it.
parker2020@reddit
That’s what this sub has turned into. The price for toys has increased more than my salary and I what the toys to be cheaper. I do to. Shits fucked but the rich keeps getting richer :(
IAmWellBehaved@reddit
Well for one thing, even adjusting for inflation like C&D did, its price has risen quite notably.
Secondly, you accurately mention the E-Ray being similar money, a car which should completely outperform this in most any performance metric (0-60 in 2.5, for example). So this Mustang is a bit of a tough sell when you're now in the territory where a M8 or something isn't out of reach anymore, which also will combine performance and daily comfort likely better than this will.
Is it the world's biggest ripoff? No, but if pony cars are supposed to deliver strong value for dollar, this is not as strong as some past Mustangs beyond just a horsepower number.
parker2020@reddit
If Redditors replied with half as much elegance never the less research this would be a substantially better website. But we have dudes sayin “my shitty old 911 will beat some random shitty old mustang in a niche league where modifications aren’t standard” but you see where I’m going with this. It’s not that wild of a price maybe 5-10k over price but this isn’t a base dark horse which is 65k but I think that is a fare price if you account for it being a bit more “premium”
RIP_Soulja_Slim@reddit
That's quite the assumption.
Two things are true here - one is that Porsche has had a pretty strong track record fore reliability over time. Expensive repairs? Sure. But overall reliable, moreso than most dedicated sports car companies.
The second is that Ford has been on a streak of absolute trash reliability for the last few years. Thankfully it's a lot of smaller things, but still let's not pretend like Ford's are super reliable nowadays. BMW's are generally more reliable than a modern Ford lol.
Barack_Odrama_007@reddit
r/cars wants to complain just to complain.
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
Well yeah…a 700 horsepower barebones vehicle for $100k isn’t that good of a deal in 2026
parker2020@reddit
Barebones vehicle…
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
Idk if you’ve sat in a Mustang but it’s not exactly premium compared to it’s $100k contemporaries
Sorry I forgot about the red seats and carbon fiber dashboard bits
parker2020@reddit
You think a comparable 911 is premium that’s 30k more?? You are out of your mind
no_cigar_tx@reddit
That’s just it. Mustang was never a rare spec car that was made to keep up with a 911. It was a mass produced moderate performer for just about everyone. Cheap interior and zero accoutrements - fun to drive.
You seem to forget that for about $37k, back in 2003-2004, they built a flagship car that would handle 600hp with a 6 speed and irs. Indexed for today’s money that’s about 65k.
LordofSpheres@reddit
Yeah man, it's not like the first generation of Mustang had a bunch of comfort trims named stupid things like "Grande" or "Mach 1," or a bunch of rare spec cars intended for racing with names like "Boss 302" or "Boss 429" or "Drag Pak." Ford never did any of that. It was always just a barebones fun car, because Ford was dumb and didn't offer as many customers as many versions as they could.
The Mustang has always had luxury and sporty options, and usually both in the same car.
Dick_Nixon69@reddit
The 2000 mustang cobra r was $55k, $104k in today's money.
parker2020@reddit
This isn’t a base spec dark horse that’s 60k that fits what your saying
kubyx@reddit
I love r/cars, but this sub lives in the past. Everyone here still expects someone to make a car with circa 2000 prices and safety/rule regulations.
Ill_Conference_7490@reddit
That's fair it's also fair that this mustang gets a lot of hate because it's a refresh. It's not doing anything particularly exciting and hasn't since launch. Compared to what GM is doing with the Corvette, It deserves criticism and so does Ford.
DanielG165@reddit
You’ll be hard pressed to get into an SC for MSRP lol.
parker2020@reddit
Any car*
ScienceMechEng_Lover@reddit
And how much does this thing weigh lol?
parker2020@reddit
4100 pounds heavy girl but not that crazy compared to it peers plus HP /torque
mikedaul@reddit
Ioniq 5 N is $66k (and has 600hp)
parker2020@reddit
You’re proving my point
btcurlyhead1@reddit
Its a ford dude and you are comparing to a 911 get a grip two entirely different cars
Angry_Robot@reddit
Who is a $100k+ mustang for? Is the car industry being propped up by billionaires and multimillionaires with huge fleets of extravagant toys?
Ok-Painting-9632@reddit
Probably. Vegas is no longer for “ordinary” people. Only the super wealthy. Maybe the car market’s only for rich people now.
stupidber@reddit
I mean, $100k for a car is not that insane these days, sadly.
Tricky-Beat-6573@reddit
795 HP...
Jewniversal_Remote@reddit
815* hp :) honestly the car itself is probably not much car for the price, but for the horsepower there aren't many options left around that price range. It'll unfortunately probably still get clapped by a C8.
stupidber@reddit
Thats just the top of the line version, which is going to be alot more than 100k
Jewniversal_Remote@reddit
Have you read the article? Here, it's highlighted for you. The SC makes 815, and costs $103,490.
intertubeluber@reddit
Seriously. Cars just stupid expensive these days and that is a lot of car. Inflation adjusted and it’s not that far off from previous halo-lite models like the Shelby GT500.
But the real answer is “not very many people“. Google tells me that Ford produced 4k-5k Shelby GT500s annually.
Personally I’d never buy one but it doesn’t seem much different than a corvette
caterham09@reddit
Base price to base price, after adjusting for inflation, it's 11k more than a gt500 was in 2022.
I think that's a pretty significant difference personally
randeus@reddit
My question would be if the car is 11k better than the GT500.
caterham09@reddit
Honestly from everything I've heard, it's probably a very similar experience. It's getting a slightly more powerful version of the same engine, on the same chassis, with similar design philosophy. Just seems like an updated version of the same car to me
randeus@reddit
Unlike the GT500, the SC does come with GTD bits, such as the brakes, and better aero. The engine probably has beefier internals too. I don’t know how much better it is, but I don’t have any doubts that it’ll be a better performer overall.
davewritescode@reddit
What pisses me off this time is this is a 10 year old chassis based on a 16 year old motor
RIP_Soulja_Slim@reddit
11k is a huge swing when you're talking like 30k to 40k. For someone spending 90k on a car, 100k isn't really a massive step up. It's a little more than a 10% increase, not nothing but not likely to massively influence behavior.
Honestly the bigger problem in pricing is that 100k will carry a psychological barrier to it that other numbers don't.
caterham09@reddit
Just to clarify, it's 11k more than the gt500 after adjusting for inflation. The gt500 was 81k in 2022.
RIP_Soulja_Slim@reddit
right, 11k of real dollars. I mean, I frankly don't think it's that significant for the people buying those cars. I'm not super interested in any vehicles around that price segment outside of the Cayman, but I can afford them and I don't think the difference from 90 to 100 would sway me one bit. That's generally the case in these ranges.
I'm going to have to imagine Ford will be vindicated when this thing hits dealers. Am I interested? Not really, but I don't find mustangs appealing. However, plenty of people do.
intern_steve@reddit
That's honestly a lot more than I would expect, given the state of Mustang sales overall. If they were selling 4k gt500s last year, that would have been 10% of sales.
Mother____Clucker@reddit
I could see that. Most people buying Mustangs brand new have disposable income. Most people with disposable income for a $50,000 today probably also have disposable income for a $100,000 toy.
RIP_Soulja_Slim@reddit
It reminds me of this: https://www.speedwaymotors.com/the-toolbox/the-price-of-a-mustang-every-year-since-1964-adjusted-for-inflation/145800
After adjusting for inflation, the 2000s SVT Cobra R was north of 100k, the S550 Shelby GT 500s were ~90k.
Mother____Clucker@reddit
Yeah, but the Cobra R was likely priced so high because of volume. It costs a lot to build a car with a bespoke engine, exhaust, suspension, brakes, seats, body parts, etc. for a car they made 300 of. I bet the price would have come down substantially if they built 5,000 a year for 2-3 years.
GTE_Engineering@reddit
$100k is more than double the average for what new car buyers are paying
dsac@reddit
not anymore it ain't
elinyera@reddit
What's the average for cars with over 700hp?
No-Pipe4332@reddit
You can get used hellcats off facebook marketplace for $35-$40 k all day long, and they are still in good condition most of the time.
GTE_Engineering@reddit
Well smack my ass and call me sally, Google Gemini says the average MSRP for the 20 currently available models with over 700 horsepower is $235k. Holy k-shaped economy Batman.
elinyera@reddit
We need a Hellcat to bring the avg down a bit lol.
Caca_Face420@reddit
Idk man sixpacks only have 420 (lol) and go for $67. NextGen hellcat might break 6 figures
FledglingNonCon@reddit
There were various Dodge special editions with stupid names like 2 or 3 years ago that were regularly breaking 6 figures.
elinyera@reddit
Very possible it might be double the price of the original release. Damn.
drummybear67@reddit
And this car is more than double the performance of an average car that buyers are purchasing
PurpleSausage77@reddit
And many of those have no performance to speak of. Saw an ad of a shitbox Lexus RX SUV with enough body roll it looked like it was driving on a 30 degree slope.
origami_airplane@reddit
Yeah because my wife wants some stupid mustang as a daily.
cat_prophecy@reddit
Yes. And Instagram influencers paid exorbitant amounts of money to be dumb on purpose.
The top 10% account for over 50% of all consumer spending.
pridetwo@reddit
Most of those influencers aren't actually making big money, they're almost all financed to the gills or paycheck to paycheck on leases. Not even counting the ones who have shady back end deals that enables them to claim they "own" cars they have no real claim to.
WATTHEBALL@reddit
Any material you can share that dives into this? I always found it sus that these car influencers who seemingly pop out of nowhere are suddenly driving around 6 figure cars or are able to somehow have a fleet totalling the MSRP of a Lambo and able to fix them up and still able to...you know, live? Mortrgage/rent, food, gas, etc..HOW?!
flapsmcgee@reddit
Lots have rich parents
Cramer12@reddit
I unfortunately cant point you to an exact video, but Doug Demuro has talked about it a bunch on some of his podcast episodes.
caterham09@reddit
Doug is so interesting because about 60% of what he says is super interesting and well informed. The other 40% is pretty out of touch though at this point
o0260o@reddit
dude is younger than me and has the most boomer takes imaginable
pridetwo@reddit
Check out the Iced Coffee Podcast episode where Doug Demuro talks about how bad car influencers' finances are
ketamine_bolus@reddit
Gotta assume they're smart enough to run the channel through an LLC or something to write off losses/expenses though at least right?
pridetwo@reddit
I dont understand what channel you're talking about, but yes many influencers run their business activities through an LLC or sole proprietorship, but thats not always the optimal way to do it as evidenced by shmee150 who runs everything as a private individual
Dumb_Nuts@reddit
I don't have and hard stats, but when you think of cars as capital expenditure/investment, there is potential ROI for influencers.
If you make $10k/mo from content, you can afford $3k+/mo on a GT3RS. You should be able to take a deduction on it which lowers the effective payment, but really it's needed for content and image.
If having a GT3RS helps you get ad sponsors it's not crazy. Not unheard of to get paid $1-3k/month for smaller creators on a single ad deal. Having a flashy car brings in viewers and pays the bills.
I'm by no means saying it's financially reasonable or responsible from a personal finances perspective. But from a business perspective you can begin to justify it.
pridetwo@reddit
This is the episode i was talkinh about i think: https://youtu.be/Y6VobYIhemo?si=auyBOxlOfzKajY8N
stoned-autistic-dude@reddit
Rich kids who don’t want real jobs and have access to these cars just start a YouTube channel. It’s really not that complicated.
Luis12285@reddit
Yea, but they have unlimited credit lines. Ford doesn’t care if you’re rich or hood rich. They just want you to buy it. You, the bank, mob loan. All the same to ford.
pridetwo@reddit
Are you disputing something in my comment?
dannyphoto@reddit
No, I think they’re just adding context.
pridetwo@reddit
OK that makes sense, just wasn't sure since they started with "yeah but"
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RIP_Soulja_Slim@reddit
Not to say that there's not significant disparity in incomes and spending power, there is, but FYI this was so heavily debunked it's not even funny.
Basically a staff economist at Moody's tweeted this out over the summer, it went super viral, but they never published a single thing about it. A bunch of other economists ran some figures and it's mathematically impossible.
The BLS tracks and publishes consumer expenditures data, and releases delayed reports with it by decile. In 2023 the top 10% of income earners accounted for about 23% of aggregate expenditures. After tax income of the top decile is something like 34% of aggregate income, and higher earners have higher savings rates thus lower consumption relative to income.
Adding to this, Moody's has never responded to anyone's requests for methodology/data, nor has the guy who made the tweet. The running theory is that they realized they messed up their methodology and have decided to just pretend like that economist never made that tweet, rather than come out with egg on their face.
Khal_Kitty@reddit
Unfortunately your post still won’t help debunk it. 280+ likes for the other guy. 30 for yours.
That’s just life on the internet nowadays.
RIP_Soulja_Slim@reddit
Much much easier to spread disinformation than to rebuke it unfortunately, spaces like reddit are especially bad at this because anything that meets confirmation bias will be amplified.
DumberThanIThink@reddit
Are you sure his comment wasn’t specific to spending on cars? It would make more sense with cars than other consumer goods, although I still dont think the math works out.
Paxa@reddit
Good. There are many things that are factually wrong in what he's saying. He's not debunking anything. His entire understanding of the topic is from headlines he read on Reddit.
Paxa@reddit
While the figures are heavily debated, you are so wrong on so many other details you appear to be as misinformed as people you're trying to dunk on.
It wasn't some tweet made by a staff. Chief economist at Moodys made the claim. The report is still available but it is paywalled. Tons of news organizations have been given access and reported on it.
RIP_Soulja_Slim@reddit
IDK if you're struggling with reading but nowhere did I imply the person was not an economist,
No, it is not. I happen to have access to moody's analytics and this is nowhere to be found. Some people have claimed to have seen the details, nobody has discussed them or verified anything.
I know you're trying to sound smart here, but you might want to start by actually reading the post you're trying to attack lol.
AnonymousEngineer_@reddit
Presumably the same people who paid the same price for an S550 Mustang Gt500 Track Pack.
Spirited-Pause@reddit
I swear there must be some law that says for every $30,000 in extra cost for a car they need to add another acronym or number to the name
AnonymousEngineer_@reddit
This would explain the BMW Individual M760Li xDrive Model V12 Excellence THE NEXT 100 YEARS.
ob_knoxious@reddit
Love parking my 2025 Mercedes-Benz G-Class G 550 Stronger Than the 1980s Edition next to my 2026 AMG GT 63 S E PERFORMANCE 4-door Coupe
NoAppNewAccount@reddit
“Next 100 years” and the M760 only survived another 6 smh
onionkimm@reddit
Pro MAXX Founder's Edition Plus!
+$45000
munche@reddit
They have that pack for this car too, it's $170k
no_cigar_tx@reddit
So flippers, investors, and BaT Nerds.
ggtsu_00@reddit
There is only 2 real markets for cars:
The mass market who only cares about being able getting from point A to point B as affordably, safely, cheaply and reliably as possible. Currently this market is only interested in hybrid SUVs.
The rich exotic collector market who only cares about how rare or exclusive the vehicle is. Cars being more expensive than it's worth is seen as a positive because it means the car is more exclusive but still obtainable without being in some invite-only club.
Everyone else is priced out of the market and just fighting over table scraps in the used second hand market.
DimCoy@reddit
What is a "real" market? I guess pickup trucks just don't exist then?
ggtsu_00@reddit
I meant for cars and trucks are not cars. Though SUVs and crossovers are technically classified as "light trucks" but only by a technicality for a CAFE regulation loophole, but most SUVs are still practically just cars.
SteveS117@reddit
Bringing up billionaires when talking about a $100k car is so reddit lmao. $100k really isn’t that much these days
Senatorial@reddit
It's not much in salary, but it absolutely is a lot for a toy. Though for billionaire is an exaggeration.
zinten789@reddit
You can daily a Mustang, it’s not just a “toy”. Nor is a 1 series.
RIP_Soulja_Slim@reddit
The top 10% of income earners breaks out at about 180k or so. I think if you're in to cars and spend modestly elsewhere you can definitely afford a 100k car on that income. That's one in 10 people.
Go to any larger city, walk in to a decent restaurant, solid chance that half the people in there make 180k or more. Lots and lots of people can afford this car.
Reddit is just full of very young people who don't make a lot, and think that anything remotely expensive is exclusive to billionaires.
Mother____Clucker@reddit
I know it's just a matter of priorities, but that's insane to me. I make about $130k a year, and keeping ratios, the thought of dropping $72k on a car gives me anxiety. Could I swing it? Yeah. But it would keep me awake at night.
unpick@reddit
Not just priorities, wealth and income are two different things. If you’re on 130k but have a house paid off and decent money in the bank or invested then why not.
Mother____Clucker@reddit
That's a fair point. If I didn't have a rent/mortgage, I'd probably be more inclined to buy a more expensive car.
RIP_Soulja_Slim@reddit
If it makes you feel any better I make a bit less than four times that and my car was ~62k.
Mother____Clucker@reddit
Yeah, I'm closer to your line of thinking. I've been considering buying my wife a minivan, and even the idea of $40k makes me cringe.
AnonymousEngineer_@reddit
Something that people also tend to do is use personal income statistics, when household income is actually more relevant when gauging affordability for big ticket items like fancy cars or houses.
Yes, they might be the same thing for single people, or people who have a partner that doesn't work. But dual income households are also very common.
So in your comment, two in ten people might have an income of over $150,000 - and that's before you consider their partner's income. Successful people tend to have relationships with other successful people. You could easily end up with household incomes double that. And now suddenly the Mustang doesn't look horrendously expensive.
Punkupine@reddit
Yes and no - another way to frame it is that the top 20% earn more than the lower 80% combined.
While there is definitely a large population that can afford luxury cars, we are in a K shaped economy and the fact is the majority of Americans can barely afford a reliable family vehicle and insurance/registration/gas/maintenance.
FledglingNonCon@reddit
Yeah $100k car is successful local business owner territory these days.
SteveS117@reddit
I see them all the time in every upper middle class neighborhood. These people would shit themselves if they saw how much a Yukon Denali costs these days.
Legend13CNS@reddit
They would shit themselves a second time if they met the people at facilities like mine that work hourly, with no college degree, that own vehicles like that, and it's paid off.
NoAppNewAccount@reddit
Less depreciation too. Buying a gently used off lease sedan is way cheaper than an SUV or truck even if both start >$100k. Cross shopping at 2-3 years old and 20-30k miles results in some weird comparisons at the same price point.
RIP_Soulja_Slim@reddit
Like Rav4s being priced about the same as German luxury with comparable mileage lol
SteveS117@reddit
Yup. My car was a 6 month old used CPO (i assume used as a loaner). Got it for $17k or $18k below MSRP
RIP_Soulja_Slim@reddit
Right, the Tahoe/Yukon start in the mid 60k range, any amount of options has these in the mid 70s. The Denalis/top trims are easily knocking on six figures when optioned out even just a little.
Sit at your local suburban school line or starbucks and count how many late model near six figure SUVs you see. Lots and lots of people can afford cars in that price range, and we got 2/3 of this thread acting like it's the wealthy elite lol.
YourMatt@reddit
It's pretty common for upper middle class wage workers too.
opeth10657@reddit
People are buying $100k TRXs and Raptor Rs, some people have money to spend.
SouthBound2025@reddit
Ford had it's largest loss last year since the 2008 crash...are you sure about that?
Important-Piglet5500@reddit
Yes, that was attributed to EVs and tariffs. Not the tricks.
SouthBound2025@reddit
Mustang Sales are down around 45k per year, vs 122k to no less than 75k when S550 came out.
Important-Piglet5500@reddit
Ok, so what does that have to do with OPs comment? He stated People are paying for TRXs and people have money to spend.
SouthBound2025@reddit
Wtf...this thread isn't about trucks. Try and keep up.
Important-Piglet5500@reddit
You responded to this.
To that point, your comments made no sense.
Try to stay on topic. No one was talking to you about what you've stated, and make non sensical points that don't back your original argument.
If anyone isn't understanding, it's clearly you. Lol.
SouthBound2025@reddit
Keep trying...eventually you will get it.
Important-Piglet5500@reddit
You've responded to trucks, with an asinine argument.
Eventually you'll get it.... Well, no you won't because you're this far in and still haven't figured it out
SouthBound2025@reddit
His response was to mine, a commennt about Ford losing massive amounts of money . Sorry you still dont get the big picture. Fries in the bag, please.
Important-Piglet5500@reddit
Lmao. You are a tech consulting bitch. Go figure. If you were least in strategy you would be worth something. Enjoy the bitch work.
Important-Piglet5500@reddit
Again, idiot.
They were talking about disposable income - how can people afford it.
You're talking about ford losing money (no, it wasn't due to disposable income) and mustangs value (again, it's not about disposable income)
The fact that you can't figure this is pathetic.
Important-Piglet5500@reddit
Fuck it. I'll explicitly call it out since you're dumb as f.
OP was talking about the ability to spend being an issue. You are talking about a value prop issue.
Two entirely different issues. But you're dumb so you consider them the same.
SouthBound2025@reddit
Fries?
Important-Piglet5500@reddit
I would ask you to make it, but you're probably too dumb to turn on the frier. Lmao.
opeth10657@reddit
Most of that was probably from the EV failures. Was a money pit for Ford
ScienceMechEng_Lover@reddit
The Miata is always the answer 😍. It's the only true enthusiasts' car available on the market.
nekmatu@reddit
Sadly not for tall people
Michael-Harley@reddit
I was gonna say the same thing. I'm 6'2" and I just don't fit comfortably in a Miata with a manual.
nekmatu@reddit
Really wish I could but it’s really the only time Miata is not the answer. Otherwise, Miata is the answer
Michael-Harley@reddit
The GR86 has plenty of legroom. ;-)
nekmatu@reddit
I didn’t fit in that either with a helmet. Also made me sad. That was my second wish lol
elinyera@reddit
And the twins.
PorTroyal_Smith@reddit
I love playing two-hand touch,
drinking way too much,
watching my team win...
an_actual_lawyer@reddit
Emira and Boxster exist in manual form
ScienceMechEng_Lover@reddit
They're expensive and are only driven by rich enthusiasts and/or posers as a result. The Miata, on the other hand, is purposefully designed and priced in a manner to remain accessible to all car enthusiasts.
That being said, I see a Lotus Omega in your flair, do you own one, because that's crazy haha?
an_actual_lawyer@reddit
Yes on the Omega. It's quite a treat. Everyone knows it is fast, but the build quality is amazing especially given the time period. It reminds me of an old school BMW that way.
pridetwo@reddit
Boxster manual only exists as used car right now
elVanPuerno@reddit
Same people that buy a $120k ford raptor r
NotoriousCFR@reddit
The blue collar guy who made a ton of money and wants a toy, but thinks Corvettes are for geezers and European cars are for gays.
coyote500@reddit
There are guys who make well over $200k a year doing blue collar jobs, retired people, and business owners, those are the primary customers of these cars. If you think $100k is a lot of money, you should pay attention to some of the top of the line American SUVs and diesel trucks driving around because those cost just as much. There are actually a ton of people out there who can buy $100k cars.
I'm not sure what world you live in where you think billionaires are the ones buying $100k Mustangs
vhalember@reddit
Not billionaires, but performance toys like these are extremely popular in a lower upper class neighborhoods.
ajb15101@reddit
Boomers who aren’t into the high trim corvettes, clearly.
DarkMatterM4@reddit
I mean, there's a $320k+ Mustang already.
Caca_Face420@reddit
Good luck buying one for MSRP
WordWithinTheWord@reddit
It’s not 2021 anymore
Caca_Face420@reddit
That’s good news.
WordWithinTheWord@reddit
Sure so we can stop with the dealer markup trope in every pricing announcement thread.
Caca_Face420@reddit
Unless your a Honda fan
gimpwiz@reddit
Many dealers tried to tell me they had markups on the Si. I laughed in their faces. But it did take me like eight tries to find one that wasn't marked up.
caterham09@reddit
It's so annoying. People will spout it on literally any vehicle. It just shows how out of touch reddit is with the new vehicle market though. I was down voted the other day for saying that there weren't markups on Mavericks and rangers (there aren't)
Deadpools_sweaty_leg@reddit
Essentially a, you will own nothing and be happy. But based on car prices now and from nearly 20 years ago it’s actually not an unreasonable/unrealistic ask. My Subaru Forester Hybrid cost 40k OTD and based off features and class of vehicle it was actually a good deal.
In 2008 a GT500 cost $48k new, which is worth about $72k in today’s money. It also made 500 HP and 480 lb/ft of torque.
A new base Dark Horse costs $63k and makes 500 HP and 418lb/ft which are nearly the same as a GT500 from 2008 and actually comes in a little cheaper comparatively.
Ferociousaurus@reddit
I mean yeah. It's a super special edition for rich Mustang enthusiasts and track jockeys. They're not expecting regular people to buy it.
ohno1tsjoe@reddit
Boomers
soonerfreak@reddit
Yes, every industry is being propped up by those groups. Look how stadiums shrink seat capacity to add more boxes and premium experiences. It's even happening at the college level with the stadium renovations at OU dropping capacity by a few thousand and time ticket holders getting screwed.
bashinforcash@reddit
its really funny how in the article they state that one of the trims for the new mustang is 10k less than a corvette or a 911. who is this even for?
nickiter@reddit
The audience you're describing is genuinely what keeps the high end car market going.
Quatro_Leches@reddit
the countless trust fund kids on social media,. aka "influencers"
HellCrownCult@reddit
Today on, Cars you'll never be able to afford, jerk off hour
liltingly@reddit
The entire economy is top heavy. For example, most major news sites make the bulk of their money on the tiny sliver that pay for pricey subs, versus the previous model of a small amount across tons of paper subscribers, or via online ads.
It’s just way more profitable to lock in a small number of folks at huge margins than it is to fight tooth and nail to get volume. Thats why Ford is trucks and mustangs.
_Floriduh_@reddit
Gotta fill up that sterile warehouse full of toys that never get used owned by some generationally wealthy family who buys cars as investments (but only like 1% of their actual wealth goes to cars.)
SuperToll9000@reddit
Yes
dragonitexy@reddit
$103k for a 720 HP Mustang? Literally disgusting
$98k for a 520 HP M2 CS? SO COOL!!!
Tricky-Beat-6573@reddit
795 HP Mustang...
davewritescode@reddit
The M2 CS is a much nicer car than the Mustang
jdmb0y@reddit
It'll fall apart far faster though. I guess if you're paying this much, you wouldn't care though.
coyote500@reddit
G8x cars are rock solid, not sure what you're talking about.
However, the G87 interior is not really nicer than a fully loaded Mustang IMO. Lots of cheap plastic and you can't even get ventilated seats. And the ventilated seats in my M4 suck compared to Ford (and Porsche)
davewritescode@reddit
The G87 interior is essentially the 3 series interior, it’s less nice than the M3 but it’s miles ahead of the Mustang
RevvCats@reddit
It’s a significantly slower car around the track with a nicer interior.
Lucreth2@reddit
Good thing we all commute on the Autobahn or that wouldn't matter at all for 99% of buyers while the other 1% would be in a dedicated track car for half the cost.
RevvCats@reddit
By that logic most modern sports cars are pointless.
Lucreth2@reddit
They are though.
4limbs2drivebeta@reddit
They both have screens for dashboards
davewritescode@reddit
So what? The S58 is more interesting than the 5.0, tunes better a the car is a much nicer place to spend time. Both are limited production but I’d take the CS every time.
Eespinoza10@reddit
How lol the mustang might be overpriced but the bimmer is ugly as fuk lol, just like the new vette looks like some roblox dream from a 12 year old kid, saying the S58 is more interesting is just fanboy shit both engines are going to have huge aftermarket support, fuking G87 is the ugly duck compared to the old F87
davewritescode@reddit
I think the dark horse looks awful and everyone will think it’s just a Mustang.
The M2 fender flares do it for me and short wheelbase cars are a hoot. You can spend your $100k however you want though I don’t care
Eespinoza10@reddit
Right fender flares and tunes bro... go be happy my tik tok boy
davewritescode@reddit
Thanks man appreciate it!
Looking forward to the 18 recalls in the next 3 years on that $100k Mustang!
youreloser@reddit
Ain't no replacement for displacement, sorry.
davewritescode@reddit
lmao
Vhozite@reddit
Neither the SC nor the GT500 before it are 5.0’s. If you are going to shit a car can you at least be accurate.
davewritescode@reddit
Sorry 5.2
jenkemhuffer@reddit
lmao
xlb250@reddit
No one is buying 2 series if niceness is a priority. I don’t see it being a factor in this purchase.
UncleBensRacistRice@reddit
In the past id have said "but the bmw is significantly lighter"
But well...thats not really the case anymore is it?
chargedcapacitor@reddit
The M2 weighs less, has more power than advertised, can be tuned well beyond spec, and can go around a track faster. Plus it has the BMW appeal.
The mustang is a Ford.
What's there to misunderstand?
randeus@reddit
I honestly doubt the M2 will be faster around a track, seeing as the previous GT500 was faster than equal M cars. Also, the 5.2L in the SC can easily be modded to well over 1000hp.
coyote500@reddit
Why do people talk about modding potential? Tune/DPs on any S58 car and you can run 9s too, they're both pretty similar. And your warranty is voided in both. Who cares
randeus@reddit
Because the poster I responded to brought up tune.
dragonitexy@reddit
chargedcapacitor@reddit
Not a fan of BMW (I drive a CT5-V), but I can appreciate facts over specs.
Go ahead and downvote me. I have plenty of karma to go around.
blunted09@reddit
These are not even comparable in quality of vehicles.
dragonitexy@reddit
You're right. One rides on a modular platform with a shared drivetrain & interior pieces, and the other is the Ford Mustang
Six_Se7en@reddit
Learn from the corvette
Icy_Vegetable998@reddit
Literally the price of a small home or plot of land. Insane
Secksualinnuendo@reddit
Remember a few years ago there was some dealership in Ohio I think that was selling 700hp super charged mustangs with a warranty for like $60k. I don't think they touched the suspension but that seems like a better deal.
KittehKittehKat@reddit
In Porsche range…just get a Porsche.
CallLivesMatter@reddit
It’s not in Porsche range. A base Carrera starts at ~30% above this.
iroll20s@reddit
The 718 exists too. A GTS is the same base price.
CallLivesMatter@reddit
The 718 no longer exists as a new car. If you find a ‘new’ 2025 GTS 4.0L with a manual transmission priced at MSRP you should buy it as most are selling for above. As are the 2024 and 2023 examples, so long as the miles are low.
iroll20s@reddit
Temporary gap. The cayman is coming back. It’s disingenuous to pretend that the 911 is the cheapest model. Its also cute to think the dark horse sc will not have adm on it.
CallLivesMatter@reddit
The Cayman/Boxster will come back at some point. That will not happen before this Dark Horse is on sale. Right now the 911 is in fact the cheapest available two door vehicle on sale from Porsche. It’s neither disingenuous nor is it pretending, it’s just a straightforward recitation of facts.
KittehKittehKat@reddit
Used cars exist and I’d rather have a used Porsche for that amount than a trailer park Ferrari.
CallLivesMatter@reddit
Generally speaking you don’t compare the new car price to a different used car because they’re different markets. That said, the amount of used 911 you get for $103,000 isn’t necessarily all that exciting, at least if you’re looking for a manual.
GhostofAyabe@reddit
"The SC’s spiritual predecessor, the 2022 Shelby GT500, had a base price of $77,260 (around $86,000 in 2026 money) and could be seen as relatively affordable."
MotorTrend
Seems priced a bit high for what it is.
Lucreth2@reddit
Absolutely. Not to mention subjectively the interior and exterior of the gt500 were both better than this thing. $86-90k range makes a lot more sense although frankly I feel like 8x is as high as you could logically justify.
iroll20s@reddit
Dark horse has zero brand cachet vs a shelby gt500.
Lucreth2@reddit
RIGHT?!
I have no clue what they were thinking. Dark horse is perfectly positioned to be a boss or Mach 1.
dang_it_bobby93@reddit
I know it's not for sale anymore but I'm curious if this will outperform the ZL1? That would be the most recent direct competitor. I guess without competition from Chevy they can charge what they want.
schwartzki@reddit
I doubt it can. Every comparo of Mustang vs Camaro the Camaro usually won in the driving dept.
randeus@reddit
The ZL1 and GT500 always preformed closely to each other and this is supposed to be better than the 500.
Historical-Wing-7687@reddit
At least you can see out of the windows in a mustang
ishliss@reddit
You can always tell who has never spent any actual seat time in a camaro or just reads what everyone parrots on the internet from comments like this.
They either test drove it and never set mirrors up properly or test drove a buddies with the same issue.
I drove a 6th gen every single day for 3 years and 33k miles, never had an issue with visibility.
Historical-Wing-7687@reddit
I'm not the only one who thinks the visibility isn't great. I have driven 2 of them. Pretty much every auto magazine said the visibility is bad. It's a good car otherwise.
ishliss@reddit
Yes and again these magazines have extremely limited seat time. Sure it’s not as easy to see out of as a Tahoe, but the complaints are completely blown out of proportion.
Historical-Wing-7687@reddit
It's OK to admit the visibility isn't great. You camaro guys are so sensitive.
randeus@reddit
Camaro fans are a bit bias. I’ve driven the Camaro and while I personally could live with it, the visibility and ergonomics are objectively much worse than its competitors. My coworker has an SS and while he likes it, he himself has compared it to being similar to driving in a tank. I can’t fault people who drive cars with good visibility being turned off by the Camaro.
xlb250@reddit
I’ve owned both. Setting up mirrors properly doesn’t fix the blind spots in the front and side windows. I couldn’t even fit my helmet through the side windows opening.
DanielG165@reddit
Hm, I can see out of mine just fine.
The_Exia@reddit
It should. The GT500 marginally beats out the ZL1 thanks to its horsepower advantage even when comparing 1LE vs track pack.
I think RoadandTrack did a comparison and the difference was 0.4 seconds at VIR between a ZL1 1LE and a track pack GT500 but with a $19k price difference in the ZL1's favour.
Now that this is the same recipe but with more power, stickier tires and revised aero so I wouldn't be surprised to see the Dark Horse SC do better than the GT500 making the lead that much better, but the price difference would now easily balloon to something like 70k over a ZL1 1LE and I'm comparing 2023 pricing. Even with inflation adjusted pricing that is about 60k depending on the ZL1 1LE options.
randeus@reddit
Why do you say that? Nobody ever called the GT500 numb and the GTD is known to be way less numb than the ZR1.
count_nuggula@reddit
So the market for this vehicle is people between GTD and Dark Horse buyers? Is that how I’m reading it?
IAmWellBehaved@reddit
Just think of this as the latest GT500 by a different name. Ford is no longer going to be licensing the use of the Shelby name for branding, and part of that strategy is to draw higher performance Mustangs more closely in association with Ford's motorsports efforts. "Dark Horse" is essentially their moniker for this (Dark Horse replaces the Shelby GT350 more or less, and the Dark Horse SC succeeds the GT500).
However, intentionally or not I think they are shifting the customer base on this car too. The historic Cobras and Shelbys still had that kind of pony car value component. The social contract (to use a dramatic term) was that you'd maybe not get a BMW interior or the polish of a Lexus, but in exchange you'd get enormous horsepower and performance. But with the current car, prices have climbed pretty aggressively as seen with this car so it's going to appeal to a different kind of buyer. Chevy did that successfully with the Corvette despite not increasing prices so much, but regardless Ford seems to sort of want to position the Mustang higher than previously, particularly with the higher end variants.
nsavy87@reddit
Imagine being able to put 100k into Terminator? Shit putting 20k into a terminator already will take you to mars.
Napalm3n3ma@reddit
Slapping a supercharger on a tarted up GT would have been a 52k car in ‘normal world’. Nah we have this insanity. And why does that thing look like a Camaro now? Screw this timeline I want off.
hpshaft@reddit
Hypothetically is this cheaper than a Dark Horse (fully optioned with track features) + Ford Factory blower kit?
Guessing it's a more cohesive package but still. As much as I want to hate the price, G80 M4 Comps are close in price and have less power. There's not much else currently on sale with 700hp and a manual. Base Z06 is still well north of $125k.
My main question is how much stupid ADM are all these dealers gonna slap onto them?
EngagedGroomsPodcast@reddit
This generation Mustang is such a hot mess. Huge, expensive, cheap, and barely any better than the car it replaced. With the Camaro gone Ford probably thought they could jack the price up all they wanted and even if they lost a few buyers on the edges, their market effectively doubled.
2ingredientexplosion@reddit
Buy a gt, get the 3.0 whipple, have the dealer install it, you get to keep your warranty. tada 700-800hp stang for less than 100k.
DanielG165@reddit
To start? Lmao. This is what happens when the Mustang isn’t kept in check by the Camaro. I’ll be taking a C8 Z06 with Z07, please and thank you. Or, if one is really in the market for a $100K car, they can spend a little more for a lightly specced ZR1 that will annihilate everything short of an F80.
Hell, you could get yourself an M4 CS if you wanted something exotic. The SC is literally for a devout Mustang fan, or for a collector who will buy it and store it away in a heated, plushy garage.
randeus@reddit
Ok_Explorer604@reddit
From the article:
I'm with you. Anyone who can spend $170k can spend an extra $17k. I'd take the ZR1 over this DHSC any day of the week.
UncleBensRacistRice@reddit
Does the 30hp make up for the extra 500 pounds? Probably not
caterham09@reddit
I think you might be missing the mark a bit on the special edition version.
Yes it's a lot less car than a zr1 for similar money but it's not really an apples to apples comparison. Ford is asking someone to pay $30k over the regular track pack, for special paint, and bespoke interior. Of course it's bad value, it was never meant to be. They're trying to milk a Ford collector.
The track pack being 140k (while still overpriced imo) is no where near comparable to a ZR1, especially when you consider that the Zr1 is not available anywhere near base price.
The real competition here is with the z06 and z07 package cars. I would still rather give my money to Chevrolet in that case, but it's a closer proposition
jrileyy229@reddit
The last zr1 I saw on BAT recently was brand new from a dealer and it sold for only ~20k over sticker.
That market is clearly coming back to reality. But yes, you'd have to be a bit mad to take a track pack mustang over a track pack z06/7.
I know the average person will say "who cares, they'll all sit in a warehouse with no miles" but there is actually a culture of people who genuinely track these things. The general public doesn't go to track days, so they don't see them. And the real high dollar stuff usually is only seen at private track days... The dudes who don't want to be tagged in a bunch of IG posts
caterham09@reddit
You're not wrong but that was still a 205k sticker price, so the car was 223k plus BaT fees and transport, so more like 230k total. It's cheaper yes but a far cry from the 140k track pack Ford.
My only point was just that it's not particularly fair to compare a purposefully overpriced special edition mustang, to a base Zr1 that doesn't even really exist.
I think it'll be interesting to see how the mustang fairs on the track laptimes. I really doubt it'll come close to the z06, which is really going to hurt it imo. If it isn't outright faster, then there's not a lot going for it.
jrileyy229@reddit
I don't see any world where the 140k mustang track pack hangs with a 140k z07. Not if they're both on cup2r tires.
It also really doesn't matter... Only in magazines does anyone care about lap time at HPDE. Well beginners care a lot, actually too much... But once it's old news it really just comes down to finding a car you like and enjoying the day.
Can a 50k Rush hang with a 150k z07? No... Maybe, depends on the track and driver... But I promise you the person in the rush is having way more fun, even if they're not that experienced.
WordWithinTheWord@reddit
Are you saying Ferrari F80 or F80 generation of BMW
macgirthy@reddit
The bmw variant is in the league a little lower than c8 stingray so it was obvious he was talking about a 1000hp Ferrari.
WordWithinTheWord@reddit
You never know with YouTube BMW guys lol that's why I asked
DanielG165@reddit
Ferrari F80. Sorry, I should’ve specified!
Caca_Face420@reddit
This sub really is out of touch with people who really buy cars.
You all really think this won’t sell, but are surprised 4 cyl trucks are sitting on lots and EV adoption is flailing.
Lucreth2@reddit
Here I thought Reddit finally got one right for once. This car will sell out but only because the volume will be low and the rich want to show off how rich they are. I don't see any real true car guy buying this garbage, it doesn't even look good.
Ftpini@reddit
EV adoption is not failing. It continues to gain market share every single year. Only in the US is it having a hard time and only for reasons we’re not allowed to talk about in this sub. Everywhere else EVs are doing great.
xlb250@reddit
You know that US EV adoption stagnated in 2023, right?
bullet50000@reddit
They just want to complain. The Prelude died down, and they're having to reach more and more to complain about modern automatics, so now they're desperately searching for the next thing thats ruining the car industry.
davewritescode@reddit
This comment is going to age extremely poorly.
I remember the hurricane Katrina gas price spikes that wiped out the entire Hummer brand literally overnight. I specifically remember car salesmen marking up anything fuel efficient and doing shit like selling a 2 year old Scion TC for more than it sold new lmao.
Caca_Face420@reddit
The allocations for this car sold out before you even finished submitting your response
Ill_Conference_7490@reddit
The allocations for the limited trim. Overall the car will sell poorly.
Caca_Face420@reddit
You think the highest selling sports car is selling poorly?
Ill_Conference_7490@reddit
It's 45,000 units across all trims with zero direct competition from the camaro/charger. Nissan sold more Pathfinders than that.
But yes I do believe that the $100,000+ supercharged trim will sell poorly.
Caca_Face420@reddit
No way, is that right. This sub also told me Nissan was going bankrupt and had no hopes of surviving. You’re telling me it’s actually moving inits of it’s all-new pathfinder, kicks and MT 400z? Get outta town, it’s a good news day
davewritescode@reddit
That’s fine, half the buyers are looking for quick flips. This is the car market in 2026 and in 3 years you’ll see cars with 500-1000 miles for 20% off MSRP. We’ve all seen this 100 times before.
The same fucking thing happened with the Z06.
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
I don’t doubt this is going to sell; it’s an American muscle car with some BS special edition package slapped on. Some boomer in a bumblefuck flyover state can and will buy it
We’re just saying it’s a bad overall value and this hypothetical hillbilly is a moron for buying it. But hey, he’s happy with his collectors item
Lamborghini4616@reddit
DOA
McChickenLargeFries@reddit
I guarantee you that Ford will sell everyone that they make. Is it disgusting how expensive cars are getting? Absolutely, but the rich fucks will still buy them.
Lamborghini4616@reddit
Maybe you're right, but judging from regular mustang sales, I kinda doubt it
Lucreth2@reddit
They'll still sell every one they make, they just won't make that many.
caterham09@reddit
The high trim vehicle is going to sell well enough to justify itself. The gt500 did, and it was similar in price, especially when you consider they were all very highly marked up.
I expect this car to get similar price hikes, though I'm not sure if they'll stick around like they did on the gt500
Antique-Dragonfly615@reddit
Fuck that shit
mgobla@reddit
Costs MORE than a BMW M4 Competition...
ZaheerAlGhul@reddit
This or an M4 comp?
davewritescode@reddit
People are comparing the $107k dark horse to the M2 CS. At $200k youd be stupid to be buying a Mustang
Photonic__Cannon@reddit
I think the pricing is Ford's attempt to capture all the money that the dealers would inevitably add as a markup. Then after the initial "gotta-be-first" people have one and there are unsold units sitting around, the incentives and discounting will quietly bring the price down some.
SergeantBacon101@reddit
Sadly not totally out of line when you consider the GT500 77k base msrp is around 90k when adjusted for inflation. You are getting more hp and a lot of improvements over the previous gen, although if Ford was able to get this in the mid to high 90s it wouldn’t have that “100k for a normal production Mustang!” Effect
luistorre5@reddit
We got $100k+ Mustang before GTA VI
macgirthy@reddit
@ 170k even if "collector" its a fun exercise looking at what your options are, a nicely spec'd c8 Z06 or spend closer to 200k and you have a ZR1.
Watch Ford tuck tail with the GTD again for next years lightning lap, but OH they will have a DH SC available, whilst GM has the ZR1X.
nvnoone@reddit
I’m thinking it’ll be about $115,000 when you add the factory certified recall package
Historical-Wing-7687@reddit
Damn, that's not very nice. Ford has only been around for about 130 years. You can't expect them to iron out defects yet.
YourMatt@reddit
Stuff happens. I'm just pissed that my dealership has outsourced their recall work and the most minor job now means that they have to have the car for 2-3 days.
FazedCow@reddit
Dealerships can outsource recall work? Never would have thought that!
burtmacklin15@reddit
Even less reason for them to exist now
Ok_Two_2604@reddit
50k markup as well
Gtking616@reddit
Hey man, my car only has two active recalls right now and I didn't have to pay for either
Seymour_Tamzarian@reddit
Brutal.
simeddit@reddit
The amount of people coping by trying to normalize this car’s absurd price tag is unreal
It’s overpriced by $20,000 if we take inflation into account. If we want to just “accept” getting butt** by the typical average car price today, it’s still at minimum $10,000 too high for what it is
I already did the math on this one
AwesomeBantha@reddit
Okay, I have some questions about where this matches up vs the Dark Horse/GT500…
What else do you get when you pay up for the SC? I seem to remember that the S550 GT500 drove way better than a normal Mustang, but according to this article it seems like the base SC just gives you the supercharger and the DCT… which begs the question, couldn’t you just get a Dark Horse and spend like $13k to put a warrantied/CARB approved supercharger on it, giving you similar performance with the more desirable Tremec 6MT?
Unless you really want the DCT, is there any other objective benefit to the SC that you can’t get from a Dark Horse with a dealer installed supercharger for tens of thousands of dollars less?
Historical_Cable9719@reddit
You must really love mustangs to drop that kinda money
thundermoo5e@reddit
I really love mustangs, I’m on my 4th. No world am I paying 100+ for something without a snake logo.
Chaprito@reddit
Some dumb ass 18 y/I will go into hella debt for this
AwesomeBantha@reddit
You think 18 year olds will be approved for a $100k loan? And even if they were, why would get one of these instead of a much more flexable Corvette or used G-Wagen?
Cooper323@reddit
Unreal, Ford. I seriously don’t think the manufacturer of the Mustang understands what made the car so popular in the first place.
Splenda@reddit
Gas guzzlers like this are already obsolete.
DDz1818@reddit
Hey, Ford. Are you OK? I think you are a bit out of touch.
Mental_Safety241@reddit
The price isn't surprising. What is surprising is people that thought this would be a $10K upcharge on a Dark Horse. Just delusional wishful thinking.
Sea_Razzmatazz_4925@reddit
$100k+ for a Mustang is wild. Yeah it’s insanely powerful, but the whole appeal of the Mustang was always big performance for relatively normal money. At this price it starts to lose that identity.
-Olive-Juice-@reddit
I can't imagine having over $100k to drop on a car and choosing this one
athenafreestyle@reddit
what are we doing bro
No-Pipe4332@reddit
Why wouldn’t you just get a slightly used S650 for ~35k and add the supercharger yourself? You’d save at LEAST $50k and all you would need is a decent tune after the Supercharger and you’re all set.
Born4Nothin@reddit
6 figures for a mustang and it’s not even a Shelby, bwahahahahaha
damstr@reddit
I'm sure there is a market for it but $100k for a Mustang is wild to me. So many other things I would rather have at that price point.
aquariuminspace@reddit
A richer version of myself is the target audience and honestly for that money I'd rather have a Shelby or a Corvette. I'm already not a fan of the S650 aesthetics, and if I had to get something brand new I'd rather have the C8Z or even jump to the Germans. I'm not surprised at the price though with where the DH Premium tops out at.
Xlbowlofpho@reddit
Lmao, then they complain about not making enough profit
rush0024@reddit
Buy a S550 GT350 / R instead. Thank me later.
avoy93@reddit
I love my mustang and have been a mustang guy for years but this pricing is ridiculous. I don’t want to hear “but inflation!!” when a Z06 is a MUCH better bargain at this price. I don’t know man…
m00kery@reddit
Then 2 years later it's outdated
Obsdnblk@reddit
We don’t have all the details yet, but this isn’t shaping up to be a great deal. The Dark Horse SC is essentially replacing the GT500, which had a starting MSRP around 74k and made 760 hp. At 103k, the new model is roughly 30k more, so it’ll be interesting to see how Ford plans to justify that price jump to consumers.
Vcansarethebest@reddit
Why is no one talking about how ugly and cheap the front grills look. Seriously looks like it was designed by Temu
Vhozite@reddit
I do think it’s pretty ugly, but tbh I thought the previous GT500 was ugly too.
Dirtyace@reddit
Remember when the terminator was 30k.
Sleepy-Gong@reddit
Yeah, give me a slightly used z06 for that price.
cameronfry3@reddit
While I am sure the power is great, there’s no f@$!ing way I am spending >$60K on a Mustang.
I gave a pass to the GTD since it’s really a Multimatic car using legit race car tech.
Can we get back to the days when a 5.0 V8 with 450+ hp was like $40K?
It is a Mustang, after all.
samurai1226@reddit
Bascially $30k more expansive than pretty much the same car (GT500) when that launched about 5 years ago. Costs for new cars really went insane in the few years
higuy721@reddit
Paying 100k+ for a Ford is crazy.
pwnmesoftly@reddit
Crazier than other car brands because dumb American buy F150?
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
I mean dumb Americans do often buy F150s but that’s largely unrelated to the point at hand
$100k for something with this inferior is a tough sell
GTE_Engineering@reddit
The only thing these will do is help sell more GT’s because salesmen will happily walk prospective customers over to show them how they can get 69% (nice) of the horsepower for $40k less.
Ill_Conference_7490@reddit
Good point
hiscapness@reddit
Meanwhile, Ford dealer lots look like mall parking lots at Christmas circa 1985. “You’ll have to sell 273 F150s to get one allocation.”
drfsrich@reddit
If you live in the Midwest or South that's basically every dealer.
Nefilim314@reddit
Not a very good analogy: people drove sedans and hatchbacks in 1985, which don’t appear in Ford lots any more.
Former_Specific_7161@reddit
"what's up guys, don't forget to click that bell and smaaaaaaaaash that like button cause today we're gonna see how my brand new Dark Horse Mustang will look wrapped around a guard rail."
drfsrich@reddit
The pedestrian blood really shines across the hood and front bumper
WarCrimeGaming@reddit
Pffft that’s chump change
iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiioo@reddit
I’d say we have reached peak stupid, but you just kniw that a dodge exec saw this, scrunched up his face, and said “hold my zima”
Wsswaas@reddit
I hope it will sell very well so it will give others the signal to make high HP coupes too that are less than 150KUSD
I mean a base 911 is $123K with less than 400HP
Agent_Giraffe@reddit
Might as well just get a Z06 or ZR1
Silver_Branch3034@reddit
Any they will all go to people who can afford to flip them or hold on to them in their garage to flip later. Good god has Ford missed the mark and not read the room with this car, what a waste.
Ill_Conference_7490@reddit
"The base model starts at $103,490 before gas guzzler and destination fees come into play."
So it's actually more like 107 ish
rooftop_druid@reddit
Ford really lost the plot
OtterCreek_Andrew@reddit
Lmao
Theendisnai@reddit
Way cheaper than I thought. Mark up is going to be insane though, if you consider the Raptor R markups.
onemanlan@reddit
Let me just check my bank account… nope not gonna happen