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Schwan 1

Posted by Unlucky-Debt5467@reddit | WeirdWings | View on Reddit | 38 comments

Schwan 1
There is little to no info about this plane, Talk to the hand though

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murphsmodels@reddit

I was able to find a few things. It's on display at the  Laatzen-Hanover Aviation Museum. Here's their page on it: https://www.luftfahrtmuseum-hannover.de/index.php/en/news/history-of-the-schwan
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StandaloneSprayer@reddit

So this was a legitimate attempt at this. I don't know how they didn't notice that bird wings change pitch throughout their stroke. This would clearly never have worked because the wings just go up and down.
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xqk13@reddit

I believe pitch change is only part of it, bird wing feathers also act as a one way valve, which this design could mimic
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KnifeKnut@reddit

It looks to me like these winglet feathers would be able to change pitch, but definitely not as much overall wing pitch change as a bird.
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murphsmodels@reddit

To be fair it was designed in the 1930s. They barely knew how birds worked back then.
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waldo--pepper@reddit

> "it crashes in the maelstrom of German bureaucracy. No take-off authorization." I think we should pause and recognize good writing like this when it pops up.
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ShakyBrainSurgeon@reddit

Not sure if it really was bureaucracy that killed the bird here but boy do I hate German bureaucracy and its participants with every fiber of my body. If anyone who is involved in this mess is reading this: please reconsider your life choices mate!
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murphsmodels@reddit

My guess is that it was originally written in German, then Google translated it to English. The grammar is pure German, using English words.
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psunavy03@reddit

> No office at the aviation authority is responsible for this type of propulsion! An aircraft with a ‘wing drive’ is simply not a glider. And an aeroplane with its own propulsion, ‘but without an engine’, is not a powered aircraft either... And neither is a helicopter... Well, so instead of a take-off authorization, there is a hefty back tax payment (the reasons for this are concealed in the documents), which stifles the project. Attempts to secretly take the aircraft abroad for flight testing fail. And so the SCHWAN is stored away and preserved. There's an entire novel or sitcom episode to be had here about a bureaucracy that's completely paralyzed by trying to handle anything it doesn't have a written and approved procedure for.
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cstross@reddit

> There's an entire novel or sitcom episode to be had here about a bureaucracy that's completely paralyzed by trying to handle anything it doesn't have a written and approved procedure for. In the 1950s [Christopher Cockerell](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Cockerell#Hovercraft) ran into this with his new-fangled "hovercraft" thingy; the private sector weren't interested (boat-builders thought it was an aircraft; aviation firms thought it was a boat), so he approached the government, who helpfully classified it as a defense secret but didn't fund it. Some years later news of foreigners working along the same lines *finally* unfroze the deadlock: Cockerell got funding via the National Research Development Corporation (a British nearly-DARPA arms-length government body that was ended in the 1970s) who paid for Saunders-Roe to build the [SR.N1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR.N1) -- the first human-carrying hovercraft, which crossed the English Channel in 1959. Anyway, the hovercraft *nearly* perished from bureaucracy, just like the Schwan.
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PL_Teiresias@reddit

The Memorandum, Vaclav Havel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Memorandum
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waldo--pepper@reddit

> There's an entire novel or sitcom episode LOL!
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mongolandia@reddit

R/brandnewsentence
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arvidsem@reddit

It's a human powered ornithopter? I'm just going to assume that lack of authorization was the least of its issues getting off the ground. Found another mention of it here, section 3.1. http://www.ornithopter.de/english/wings.htm
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vferriero@reddit

But, can it fly?
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Rooilia@reddit

Yes.
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SuperTulle@reddit

Where is this? I googled Schwan 1 airplane and the only thing I found was a copy on simpleplanes
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Rooilia@reddit

Try glider or Segelfluzeug for german and choose germany as location for search.
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Unlucky-Debt5467@reddit (OP)

I actually built that since it was my favourite plane, On ABPIC you can find 2 photos of it
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DPPThrow45@reddit

Need to get Peter Sripol or rctestfight to make an RC version of this, see if it flies at all.
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I_am_BrokenCog@reddit

THIS IS WHAT THIS SUB IS FOR!
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gatfish@reddit

ALMOST TOO LITERAL!
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I_am_BrokenCog@reddit

eh. It's tedious seeing the same cycle of war related design concepts and prototypes.
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Capital_Big7910@reddit

Does anyone have any more information on this plane?
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h4x_x_x0r@reddit

There's a short article linked in another comment, basically it was thought of in WW2, got delayed for years because of the post-war aviation Ban and although the creator kept working on it, they never got a licence to test it due to German bureaucracy (of course). No authority wanted to deal with it due to the unusual propulsion concept because it didn't have a normal motor but wasn't an unmotorized glider either. I'd be curious if it would've gotten airborne, the article said initial tests were promising but back then they had a lot of "promising" concepts and there are reasons none of them panned out.
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Forte69@reddit

Ornithopter vibes
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Tasty-Fox9030@reddit

Congratulations, this is truly weird.
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Pilot230@reddit

A weird wing, if you will
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Jessie_C_2646@reddit

That looks like it's one of those [ridiculous](https://live.staticflickr.com/7882/40484041793_38f1ed71c8_b.jpg) [sculptures](https://i2.wp.com/media.globalnews.ca/videostatic/news/bnl2axnp0s-i5zeab6k6e/230420-HEATHER.jpg?w=1200&quality=70&strip=all) at Calgary Airport.
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Beatleboy62@reddit

Magnificent Men In Their Flying Machines vibes
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Jessie_C_2646@reddit

More like Stop That Pigeon.
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NF-104@reddit

I don’t know anything about this particular “bird”, but these sorts of wingtips are meant to mimic a bird’s wing, which causes less induced drag and quieter flight (especially important for owls).
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Subduction@reddit

And, I predict it, someday owls will fly as well.
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I_am_BrokenCog@reddit

dragshmag ... it's cosplaying a chicken!
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Airwolfhelicopter@reddit

burn
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Forward_Tank8310@reddit

Looks like part of a matchbook
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404-skill_not_found@reddit

What a glorious abomination!!! 🤣
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Diogenes256@reddit

Well, banner day for this sub! I got nothing here.
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