It is possible that Saturday 28 February 2026 was Peak Oil.
Posted by mark000@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 42 comments
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Posted by mark000@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 42 comments
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Darnocpdx@reddit
Peak oil happened over a decade ago when the oil industry started building solar farms (until fairly recently they were fighting over the biggest ones in the world) to supliment the power of their refineries.
clv101@reddit
No, a new all time production record was set fairly recently.
Darnocpdx@reddit
Peek oil isn't about availability, it's about costs differences.
Poop is isn't in short supply, but it makes for a great fuel. If it was only about supply, we'd be burning turds not oil.
Ancient-one511@reddit
Internal combustion engines, which move shipping, trucking, and nearly every product and resource, can't burn turds. Or anything else. The current shortages in gas and diesel (which were happening before the war) will continue and accelerate. Get ready for shortages in everything. Including jobs.
ArterialVotives@reddit
It's estimated that 40-50% of global cargo transportation can be electrified based on current technologies and cost projections. The vast majority of road freight and a significant amount of regional maritime shipping falls into that category. Long-distance shipping and air shipping are the primary areas where the tech doesn't exist yet.
China is doing sea trials of its first short-sea container ship now.
As of mid-2025, 5.6% of road freight has been electrified in Europe to date, with the Nordics up to 16-18%. Small number now, but the infrastructure rollout is in early stages, and regulatory targets are just starting to be enforced.
Use of technology like this snowballs as adoption grows, infrastructure is built out and costs decrease. Electrifying any material percentage of global transportation will reduce oil usage far more than whatever is transiting the Strait.
Dangermouse0@reddit
Most freight is moved by diesel engines. With the amount of fast food the Cheeto-in-Queef alone consumes we could fuel the fleet on biodiesel… /s
B4SSF4C3@reddit
Correct, but it also means peak oil isn’t a single point you can identify. It is dynamic and recur multiple times as geopolitics and market dynamics change.
clv101@reddit
The concept of peak oil is specifically about the peak rate of production - nothing about cost difference. UK oil production peaked in 1999, that's the year that saw the highest rate of production. Globally, 2025 currently holds the record, if a lot of infrastructure in the Middle East gets destroyed in the coming weeks, it could end up being the all time peak.
Pretend-Bat9620@reddit
The Great Depression was triggered by a collapse in food production which led to the depression and deflation.
Previous collapses in oil production lead to inflation and stagnation, not even necessarily recession.
mark000@reddit (OP)
People don't understand: we aren't living in a world right now where production is unchanged but price is going up. That happened in 2022 when Russia invaded Ukraine. This is a world where production has dropped to 80 million overnight. Governments will sell their strategic reserves to their country's refiners until they run out, assuming the Middle East doesn't return to normal before then. This price spike could be massive, perhaps as high as $250. That would put gasoline at $8 using the +2.5cents per $1 increase in oil.
Ok-Zookeepergame5245@reddit
Exactly, people need to understand that we are about to experience the worst global economic crisis of our generation. Good times are over and there is no point living in denial about what’s coming.
wussell_88@reddit
You really think this is going to happen? It looks like trump Is going to back down and say he won?
StarkyPants555@reddit
I doubt the new leader of Iran, whose father, wife, daughter/ entire immediate family were wiped out in the initial strikes, is going to be interested in backing down any time soon.
Slight-Surprise-3270@reddit
I am not sure if people like them care much about Family
StarkyPants555@reddit
You know this because...
wussell_88@reddit
Yeah this is going to be an extremely interesting month
Either it escalates and then somehow calms down and oil is impacted for a little bit and recovers
Or this is just going to slowly escalate until it gets to levels I don’t want to fathom
Some ships are going through the straight now which is a good sign
mikerbt@reddit
Imagine the silence of between the crews as they sail on through. I hope the danger pay is obscene.
f1shtac000s@reddit
It's also worth pointing out that in 2022 the US used nearly half of our strategic petroleum reserves going from around 600,000K barrels to 350,000K barrels. Since hitting the bottom we have only replenished up to 411,000K barrels.
Sablus@reddit
Yup and also don’t forget the lag even if things “return to normal” refineries and extraction has to be rebuilt and safely transported
pragmaticideals206@reddit
“Peak Oil,” has already happened, and will happen again, and again, while the parameters of energy demand/input change.
US ‘peak oil’ passed 1965-1971, then extraction rates changed, then fracking technologies emerged, and now US ‘peak oil’ is set for 2027. It’s all still ‘peak oil,’ but that tail end of the bell curve can more around quite a bit. The inevitable still exists, but how that will play out changes.
For example, the Strait closure could equate to such a price shock that demand plummets, and we fall into a recession which lowers demand so much that the ‘peak’ you’re looking at doesn’t happen. . . well until it does, but long after expectations.
ttystikk@reddit
Ok but does that necessarily mean the beginning of civilizational decline? With renewables available at ever more affordable prices, I'm thinking it doesn't?
Chucking100s@reddit
No.
This supply disruption is worse than 1973, 1979, or 1999.
Prepare, prepare now.
Silly_List6638@reddit
any tips?
I live rural and thinking of heading to hardware shop now and getting lots of things i planned to build out this year
Chucking100s@reddit
Anything you know you need, I'd get it now.
Flaccidchadd@reddit
Peak oil is probably one of the most definitive indicators of the stagnation phase of the adaptive cycle. The stagnation phase is very zero sum in nature, prepare for the unleashing of the multipolar trap on a level not seen before. All the stops will be pulled out
birgor@reddit
We had a peak in 2019 that wasn't broken until last year, the peak is just the peak, it doesn't automatically means a quick downturn, even if it might be that way.
It is also impossible to define the real peak oil until long after.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/oil-production-by-country?country=QAT\~OMN\~SAU\~NOR\~IRQ\~USA\~ARE\~OWID_WRL
Flaccidchadd@reddit
Stagnation phase doesn't mean a quick downturn, it means a squeeze removing all slack from a system, pushing it towards an unknown inflection point which will trigger the collapse phase
Celestial_Mechanica@reddit
Thanks ChatGPT
birgor@reddit
Stagnation is likewise not a terminal illness. And even though oil is our most important type of energy is it far from the only one.
A peak now can be an A shaped peak, a slow downturn, or a plateau that will regain strength. people, companies, states, markets, they don't even know when the peak happens, and only in hindsight is it possible to know when the stagnation that lead to collapse came. What might be seen as a stagnation by it's contemporaries might just be seen as a normal, war induced fluctuation in the near future.
I get you point, but things aren't that linear. Curves goes up and down, and what you describe might happen so slow that it it barely recognisable, or filled with so many periods of ups and downs that it is hard to detect the long, downward spiral. It is extremely hard, close to impossible to use such a a metric as an indicator as you suggest. It is too volatile in it's nature.
And to add, the mix of energy types are also changing, as it always has. Oil is the most important, but not the only. Even if it is in part riddled with the same issues would a "peak energy" metric be vastly better if we want to try to interpret the sate of the global economy.
a_onai@reddit
What do you call the multipolar trap?
Flaccidchadd@reddit
https://www.slatestarcodexabridged.com/Meditations-On-Moloch
a_onai@reddit
At a glance, multipolar here means multidimensional. I though you're making a reference to the multipolar world, geopolitacally speaking.
Flaccidchadd@reddit
Got to read further down, the first part is a metaphor/poem
birgor@reddit
We had a peak in 2019 that wasn't broken until last year, the peak is just the peak, it doesn't automatically means a quick downturn, even if it might be that way.
It is also impossible to define the real peak oil until long after.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/oil-production-by-country?country=QAT\~OMN\~SAU\~NOR\~IRQ\~USA\~ARE\~OWID_WRLhttps://ourworldindata.org/grapher/oil-production-by-country?country=QAT\~OMN\~SAU\~NOR\~IRQ\~USA\~ARE\~OWID_WRL
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/oil-production-by-country?country=QAT\~OMN\~SAU\~NOR\~IRQ\~USA\~ARE\~OWID_WRL
ElephantContent8835@reddit
Perhaps- but it most likely happened around 10 years ago. All the known oil reserves only add up to about 36 more years of oil under current usage.
pantsopticon88@reddit
Peak oil was likely in 2018 when you look at the total energy produced.
RevampedZebra@reddit
Wtf is up with the title??? You mean if Iran endures American and Israeli terrorist forces?
Disastrous_North_102@reddit
IRAN doesn't back down?
commiebrewer@reddit
Thank you for pointing out this framing. I find that many people on this page utilize framing against the global south countries that are involved with US aggression. Always framed as " needs to chill or xyz will occur" when the initial aggressor is always the United States
0o0xXx0o0@reddit
Thankfully not. Let's hope they continue their defence.
Davidat0r@reddit
Yeah!! They are not letting the US to bomb them comfortably!!
Bitter-Platypus-1234@reddit
GDP = Great Depression Probably