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Americans aren’t facing a democratic collapse. We’re living in its aftermath | US news

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Dat_Harass@reddit

Yes. Citizens United was the death knell. Let's be honest though since the industrial revolution big money has influenced politics... hell before that even back to railroads and robber barons. It's high time we fix this.
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erevos33@reddit

Unless humanity abandons capitalism, there is no fixing this
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Marisa_Nya@reddit

China is state capitalist and it takes control of belligerent companies and moneyed interests in politics, so it is possible
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erevos33@reddit

Face, meet desk
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Dat_Harass@reddit

That's not true. The constant growth part has to change but capitalism with supports can work. We make for need, not market domination. Before that though, a general strike, Epstein trials, citizens united reversal and you know what. I've got a post called critical reform. It has some ideas. Reform first, changes after. I care way more about democracy than I do our economy at current. In order to fix the latter we need save the former.
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erevos33@reddit

Capitalism mandates a caste system, by engaging in a class-separated society, that by its definition will amass money and power at the top caste. Any measures taken to make it more egalitarian will eventually fail and only postpone the inevitable : having a few families living at the expense of the planet (current phase where about 1000 families run the planet and a few billions scrape by). Fact of the matter is that the social and financial stratification that takes place in capitalism is the opposite of progress. Unless we abandon capitalism, we are doomed.
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DrenRuse@reddit

We can’t even TALK about alternatives without people losing their shit. It’s beyond over. Just a slower descent further into madness fueled by the endless pursuit of profit.
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Dat_Harass@reddit

Look, without reforming what exists currently, there can be no room for improvement. I am not excusing capitalism. I am not supporting corporatism or fascism. But we need a functioning democracy to improve or ever hope to change our economy.
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Julian_Thorne@reddit

It can probably be traced all the way back to the agricultural revolution. We lost our balance with nature and have been on a slippery slope ever since.
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Rossdxvx@reddit

We are victims of our own success. I have been reading about human evolution lately. There were many different kinds of human-like species that existed around the same time that we emerged, but "didn't succeed," became evolutionary blind alleys, and died out. I wonder if what is happening now is just a postponement of our own extinction? I mean, we haven't been around that long in the larger scheme of things, although to the average human lifespan it may seem to be infinite, but everything is actually finite, never permanent, and fixed. In our own arrogance, we believe that we are indestructible, but this is not the case. We can die out, too, as the planet shifts and changes in favor of other lifeforms (whatever that may be, in a hothouse climate). Of course, we are the main driving force behind this change. I guess my point is that we have been lucky thus far to make it this far, but for the last century or two we have been pushing our limits.
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mrpickles@reddit

Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed Book by Jared Diamond In this book he talks about how there were likely peaceful tribes living on islands in the Indonesia-Pacific. They lived in harmony with nature. But they were all killed by more violent humans that invaded. The pirate gene did not live in harmony with other humans or nature. Sad. Another world was possible. Too bad the peaceful people weren't able to defend themselves.
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Rossdxvx@reddit

I have had this book for a while now. I should take a deep dive into it. In any case, this could perhaps explain why there is a genocidal impulse that exists deeply within us that is only waiting for the right kind of impetus to (re)activate. It reminds me of the indigenous peoples of this country and the pernicious effect on them coming into contact with white settlers.  I don't want to say that we are inherently destructive as a species, but a good argument can be made that we are destructive more of the time than peaceful. Probably our biggest flaw is seeing ourselves as separate from one another. The same goes for our psychological detachment from the natural world. By divvying each other up into separate groups, we create conditions for violence and conflict. 
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zedroj@reddit

before agricultural, humanity never had a mental shift, it cannot process the invitation of respect of things like oil humans by design are deranged and dysfunctional, the variation of kindness is too intense with how assertive someone is, we placed important on legal implications like papers over true assessment, moral integrity
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marssaxman@reddit

You may appreciate the book [Against the Grain](https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300240214/against-the-grain/) by James C. Scott.
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Suckamanhwewhuuut@reddit

That’s what I’ve been saying.
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sacrificialfuck@reddit

I think money in “politics” was also a driving catalyst to the fall of the Roman Empire. Read up on the Severan Dynasty and the Third Century Crisis if you’re curious.
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1098duc_w_the_termi@reddit

A significant percentage of Americans are either aware that collapse is on the way and are just enjoying the last good years of life with their loved ones or are aware but in denial and putting their heads in the sand. Either way there are too many resigned to the fact that things are going to get worse. That leaves the rest. The ones playing are either too dumb to realize what’s happening or are trying to collect as many resources as possible to try to insulate their loved ones as much as possible. Either way, the tools and levers to effectuate a better system have eroded to the point of failure. I hope I’m wrong and try every day, despite what I see on the horizon, to make sure that I’m wrong. I vote, protest, consume as little as possible, etc.
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Grand-Page-1180@reddit

I know our best days are behind us, its hard to care about what's happening anymore. Martians could invade tomorrow, I just want the last best years the world has to offer. I've seen the downward spiral since 9/11, and nothing's ever gotten better.
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skyfishgoo@reddit

Giant Meteor 2028
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Substantial-Art2015@reddit

I was hoping for one in 2025 but my pleas went unanswered.
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skyfishgoo@reddit

evergreen hope
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Ree_For_Thee@reddit

Things are still relatively fine in Europe though. I'd say the places that have gone down the most are the UK and USA. Mmmmmmmostly because of ass politicians that just take bribes and don't actually solve problems.
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trivetsandcolanders@reddit

I imagine that there are some countries worldwide (India maybe? Vietnam? Other developing countries?) where living conditions in 2026 are better than they’ve ever been before.
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Distinguishedflyer@reddit

ack ack ack!
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Boremanfreeman@reddit

low effort memetics
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Distinguishedflyer@reddit

thank you may I have another?
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RsquSqd@reddit

r/armedsocialists
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ssquirt1@reddit

Well, duh…
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BlackDS@reddit

I'd say the collapse truly began with Citizens United and will end whenever an election gets skipped. So IMO we're at the tail end of the collapse but it's still ongoing
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BrightCandle@reddit

Way too many think they will just fix it in the next election, as if they there are going to be free and fair elections in a few years time like usual. Its fascism, is already worked out how to subvert elections.
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Hinin@reddit

there won't be any
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rematar@reddit

Sadly, I've felt aware of this for a decade. Also, sadly, I made a comment in worldnews recently about fascism in the UUS, and it was heavily downvoted, and comments were angry. 🙈🙉
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conscsness@reddit

Dont fret. Majority of humans have common sense, yet incapacitated they become once critical thinking is required.
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HommeMusical@reddit

r/worldnews has complicit moderators, too, I suspect. I left them years ago, for my mental health.
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Admirable_Advice8831@reddit

Wasn't Ghoul'ane Maxwell a mod once?
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errie_tholluxe@reddit

I was actually banned there for questioning some of the lunatics. They said I was making threats and I was rereading what I had wrote and it was like no. I was just asking. Do you really believe this shit?. Turns out the moderators really do
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Gyirin@reddit

ye some of the posts there just get deleted
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ontrack@reddit

Posts get deleted for very mundane reasons on many subreddits, especially very high volume subs like worldnews.
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deepasleep@reddit

Researchers started openly claiming the US had become an oligarchy at the end of the 2020’s. https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/is-america-an-oligarchy
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TransitJohn@reddit

So in the future?
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CthulhusButtPug@reddit

Citizens United baby!!!!
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jedrider@reddit

This is like riding a bicycle with no hands. The ruling class has realized they don't need democratic consent and the ruled over realize they're powerless at about the same time.
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NyriasNeo@reddit

The poor is too busy surviving to notice. The rich is too busy enjoying life to care. The middle, if they still exist, is too busy dreaming and working to be rich to do anything. Democracy only exists if people care. "Drill baby drill" won. That tells you what you need to know.
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kalkutta2much@reddit

yup the middle is full of “temporarily embarrassed millionaires”
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springcypripedium@reddit

I wish someone would convince me Heather Cox Richardson (and her millions of subscribers) of that.
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Makhnos_Ghost@reddit

Just as the USSR collapsed, in part, due to many Soviet Citizens realizing that they were not living in true "Marxism-Leninism" and what they were being told, so too does the U.S appear to be collapsing internally due to many American Citizens realizing that they were, and have never been, living in "Democracy" or "Freedom." It was all a sham. I enjoy this part of the article: > [Anti-Trump Americans] will fight to restore a pre-Trump order that provided the fertile ground out of which far-right politics continues to grow. Fear of breakdown binds us to a past we cannot restore – because it never existed – and prevents us from building the future we need... >...Genuine democracy is built and sustained by the everyday public infrastructures that allow people to rely on one another: thriving public housing, childcare, schools and libraries, universal healthcare, unions, public media, real community safety, and public health as direct social care. Where these institutions wither, democratic imagination withers – and fascist fantasies thrive. Where they are valued and invested, democracy becomes a lived practice rather than an anxious memory... The article then continues that what is giving the author hope, is that Americans, in response to State-Backed Violence through ICE and Trump's other campaigns, are reacting in ways that protect their neighbors and due to the State Opposition (Democrats) are not doing anything about it, are taking matters into their own hands. >...if Americans insist that good government grows from the bottom up rather than the top down and refuse to let grassroots movements be co-opted for politicians’ careers that put party loyalties over care for people in need, then the possibility of a real democracy may yet live. Hot take I am sure, but even here in America, I agree, that it can be done. Americans are in the midst of extreme hypernormalization, absurdism, radicalization, AI Psychosis, confusion, nihilism, and a multitude of different realities being claimed to be true. While the USSR collapsing was based off of Ethnic Identities/Self-Determination, Economic Collapse, and a collapse of believe in the system, what intrigues me right now, is the absolute craziness that is America in 2026. It is so wild to witness. But I think it is only if the normality's and distractions of daily life are interrupted, as it was with ICE's siege of Minneapolis, that led to such occurrences of Direct Action and, dare I say, "Dual Power", happening. I think it will take increase in fuel costs to the point of lack of fuel (and everything becoming more expensive), food shortages, rolling blackouts, collapse in supply chains, streaming services being taken down, etc. Ironically, what makes many Americans so privileged, such as Grocery Stores always being full, Fast Food, reliable electricity, clean/instant water, entertainment, etc. is what will bring the demise of it as well, once it is even slightly interrupted. I predict that once there are genuine disruptions to all of the above, then we will see true craziness come out even more. Should the normal order of things collapse, and power vacuum's occur in pockets of the United States, it will result in not only what this article is discussing, but also the opposite, as it mentions, "Fascist Fantasies." Like, 'roving fascist militias committing pograms against Latino Americans" and "Christian in-fighting" and public executions, mixed in with Dual Power, Community Gardens, implementation of Universal Healthcare in some areas, all the while there is drought and crop failures, mixed in. At work, my coworker was gladly telling me about how Canada might be the 51st State and that they are killing babies or whatever up there, and that Californian's are going to be "liberated" soon from "wokeness." Meanwhile, I hear from another coworker about creating a community garden. Yeah.
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PresentationNext6179@reddit

This is genuinely the most depressing time to be alive. I am hopeful that our future generations will do better across the globe.
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AmericanVanguardist@reddit

That reminds me of the scenarios discussed in the first season of "It could happen here."
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Low_Complex_9841@reddit

> Just as the USSR collapsed I wonder if we ever had a chance to become something like democracy? With "soviet" part ironically not working as political tool against misuse of centralized power  for long time in 1991 - what we are supposed to do? Learn  "how to democracy" on the go? It looks like when whole scandal with Navalnyi happened it was already a bit too late to "vote out" One Bear Party? Was it possible earlier, in 2009 or so when Medvedev replaced Putin briefly? Well, he was obviously set up for same forces as mr. Putin .. Was it earlier times in 2000 when Old Drunk finally stepped down? Was it was possible in 1993 when tanks happened In Moscow (I was 11 btw)? Whole "democracy" setup started to sound a bit like myth if you do not train your dragon ^w population how to use it, and what normal power will allow this to happen?
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Makhnos_Ghost@reddit

Black October in 1993, is what many consider to be the death of Democracy in Russia, when Yeltsin opened fire on the Supreme Soviet/House of People's Deputies, bringing forth Presidential rule by decree and the new Constitution which paved the way, in short summary, for the Modern State of Russia. Similarly, United Russia/Putin changing the constitution and Medvedev and Putin switching back and forth in 2008. The lack of opposition movements staying united(Such as Committee 2008/The Other Russia and Russian Opposition Coordination Council) and the subsequent oppression against them and the 2011-2013 protests, basically led us to where we are now. Personally, I know some in Russia and Belarus who, especially after the 2020-2021 protests in Belarus, either ended up in prison or self-censored to save themselves from prison and/or surveillance, or went underground completely/radio-silent. To my understanding, not those I knew/know, but many have been deported to Lithuania, and/or signed pardons, basically agreeing to never do anything political again, or else.
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HommeMusical@reddit

> Yeltsin Put there by America: https://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19960715,00.html It's funny how some Americans brag about interfering in other country's elections and then act like it couldn't happen there. --- Russians, individually, can be some of the warmest and most cultured people in the world. It's a permanent shame that they have had such bad government for centuries now. Sometimes I want to go back in time and warn Trotsky what was coming.
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Wulfkat@reddit

A fascist government that provides the bread and the circus will last as long as the bread and the circus are provided. People who are bored to death, verging on, not starving, but decreasing quantity and quality of food, coupled with economic anxiety, tends to be the ones who start revolutions.
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Same_Common4485@reddit

A third want it, a third don't care and a third don't like it
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Inconspicuouswriter@reddit

There was no democracy; there was a semblance of it, but the system has been serving the interests of the ruling class over the people since the beginning. 
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Fine-Spite4940@reddit

repeal of dodd-frank, patriot act, citizens united, immediately come to mind.  americans are cooked. techo-fascism is on the horizon, or neo-fuedalism.  even if trump is removed, the system and donors that put him in place will still remain. trump is bad, in my opinion after trump is going to be worse as eveeyone scrambles for power. 
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RunYouFoulBeast@reddit

Need more statue for kpi.
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StatementBot@reddit

The following submission statement was provided by /u/xena_lawless: --- "Since Donald Trump returned to the White House, American political life has taken on a familiar rhythm. Each week brings another court ruling framed as a breaking point, another election cast as the last real one, another executive order described as the moment it all finally tips over the edge, another person murdered by a government that’s finally gone too far. Democratic party fundraising emails promise to “save the Republic”. Commentators warn that the guardrails are giving way. Anxious citizens refresh their screens, waiting for the collapse of American democracy. This state of permanent panic rests on what Sigmund Freud called an illusion: a belief embraced not because it reflects reality, but because it satisfies a psychological need. The illusion in this case is that the United States still has a democracy to lose. The more unsettling truth is that Americans are not living under threat of future democratic breakdown; we are living inside the aftermath of one that has already occurred..." Relevant to the collapse of the illusion of democracy in the US, with some psychoanalytic perspectives on how and why the illusion has persisted for so long, and how Americans are dealing with the reality that they do not have an actual democracy, and in reality never did. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1roqsr9/americans_arent_facing_a_democratic_collapse_were/o9frx13/
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xena_lawless@reddit (OP)

"Since Donald Trump returned to the White House, American political life has taken on a familiar rhythm. Each week brings another court ruling framed as a breaking point, another election cast as the last real one, another executive order described as the moment it all finally tips over the edge, another person murdered by a government that’s finally gone too far. Democratic party fundraising emails promise to “save the Republic”. Commentators warn that the guardrails are giving way. Anxious citizens refresh their screens, waiting for the collapse of American democracy. This state of permanent panic rests on what Sigmund Freud called an illusion: a belief embraced not because it reflects reality, but because it satisfies a psychological need. The illusion in this case is that the United States still has a democracy to lose. The more unsettling truth is that Americans are not living under threat of future democratic breakdown; we are living inside the aftermath of one that has already occurred..." Relevant to the collapse of the illusion of democracy in the US, with some psychoanalytic perspectives on how and why the illusion has persisted for so long, and how Americans are dealing with the reality that they do not have an actual democracy, and in reality never did.
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