Conclusion of the search for Malaysian Airlines flight MH370
Posted by Shoddy_Act7059@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 228 comments
After heading out on Jan. 23 of this year to find the wreck of MH370, Ocean Infinity have announced today that they have concluded this recent search and did not find the plane's wreckage.
They do plan on going out again at some point; "Although this phase of the search has concluded, our commitment has not. We’re continuing to work with the Malaysian Government in the hope of being able to return when circumstances allow.”
Affectionate_Let8827@reddit
The fact that Ocean Infinity covered over 112,000 square kilometers and found nothing is actually more significant than most people realize. It doesn't just mean the wreckage isn't there — it means the flight path models that guided the search were fundamentally wrong. Which puts us back to square one on understanding what actually happened after the transponder went dark.
nguyenm@reddit
"No find, no fee" promise, or technically contractual obligation, fulfilled at the very least. I hope in due time we'll find it eventually.
Ecstatic-Ganache921@reddit
I want to see this aircraft found in my lifetime. It's amazing how long it's taken for so many people to find this, due to the nature of where the plane flew.
ScaryDuck2@reddit
I doubt it, the titanic was a unique case due to the grandeur behind the movie and the event. MH370 has none of that and the government vehemently wants to cleanse its hands of the incident. It’s a stain for them
kepleronlyknows@reddit
We also had a vastly better idea where the Titanic was when it sunk. The best models for MH-370 still place it somewhere in a huge swath of remote ocean
Matar_Kubileya@reddit
And Titanic was a lot bigger than an airplane.
Lonestar041@reddit
And did not hit the ocean surface at like 600mph. It is remarkable how small the debris from an impact at that speed is. There is a good chance most of the debris is like football sized. Try to find that if it is placed on a rocky part of the sea floor.
squeegeeboy@reddit
We don't know how they crashed the plane. Smashing it into the sea would have left a debris field and we would have seen many parts wash ashore. Is it possible the pilot glided it in and it sank somewhat whole?
AtomR@reddit
Didn't the debris float down to some african countries?
SidFinch99@reddit
Yes, places like Madagascar, Tanzania, South Africa, Indian Ocean Isles. These places were searched because that's were oceanographers thought debris would wind wind up based on currents and the leading theory that the plane crashed in the southern Indian ocean.
squeegeeboy@reddit
Yup. I'm no crash expert or anything, I was thinking that if it smashed into a lot of pieces we would see a whole bunch more. Far more than what already washed ashore
HDTBill@reddit
Actually that's good thinking, but this crash style is an especially sensitive MH370 topic with many points and counterpoints. Malaysia's "investigation" (if we can call it that) when it was active, only strived to ID parts and assign % probability of MH370 as source. Forensics has been limited to France/Boeing analysis of flaperon, which was contested by the crowd source community because it suggested water erosion, and ATSB review of a flap which the suggest was retracted, followed by social media opinions all sides.
Lonestar041@reddit
Have you ever seen how the beaches in that area look like if no one cleans them on a regular basis?
This is what the majority looks like on a normal day https://sl.bing.net/j09Vs7lBRCu - hundreds, if not thousands of miles of that. You need to be very lucky to even find a large part of debris in that mess, let alone something like a shredded seat cushion.
sparrerv@reddit
thats not even close to what the average beach facing the South Indian ocean looks like. you can go on google maps and see that the vast majority of beaches in that region aren't covered in trash, usually beaches that look like this are next to the mouth of highly polluted rivers
Lonestar041@reddit
Depends on the speed with which it hit the surface. When you look at high speed plane crashes, some of them leave nothing but shredded debris and very few larger, identifiable parts.
That debris field on a wide-open ocean would be dispersed after a day or two, long before any search efforts reached the area.
And have you looked at the piles of trash floating on the oceans and being washed ashore? We are talking trash multiple feet high on some beaches in that area. There are so many clothes washed up on some of them that people literally make part of their living by collecting them for resales...
Nobody would notice a few more in that pile, unless some identifier is found with some luck, and that person finding the item cares enough to not throw it out.
SidFinch99@reddit
You do realize they found debris washed ashore in a vast area from Makassar, to Tanzania, and south Africa. They looked in these areas because this is where oceanogrophers thought smaller debris would wind up based on the currents and timing of the crash. Everything supports the plane crashing hard into the southern Indian ocean, which was the leading theory even before tge debris was found. They just haven't been able to locate the fuselage, but it's like tge titanic where they had coordinates of the crash, and that area of ocean isn't just vast, but the see floor makes it difficult to find anything.
squeegeeboy@reddit
Yeah I totally remember finding pieces on Reunion Island and the like. I was thinking that, if that were true, you're not going to find a fuselage.
SidFinch99@reddit
It really is like finding a needle in a hay stack. There may be some eccentric types with connections to funding that keep looking and get lucky, or there could be an incidental finding, but it's unlikely.
clamjumpr@reddit
This is what I’ve always thought. Any other high speed crash would have left a huge debris field. Luggage, seats, anything that floats. I think the pilot tried to do a landing on the water to sink the plane whole.
railker@reddit
Aluminum don't float so good, but yeah, might be bits of other stuff manages to float. That flap section floated all the way to a coast thanks to trapped air, I'm guessing.
Between the scale of the ocean and the relatively few things that float, how many of those things would be identifiable? Separable from all the normal 'ocean garbage' that floats around? Guys on a cargo ship aren't gonna take however many miles it takes to stop to go pick up some bit of trash floating in the water. If the Great Pacific Garbage Patch is as big as they claim, imagine how much isolated shit's just floating around, unnoticed and unclaimed. The whole-ass vertical stabilizer of AF447 was bobbing around the Atlantic Ocean and we knew where that plane last was, still took a week to spot that piece of debris.
Kobe_Wan_Ginobili@reddit
is it rocky or sludgy? I hear different things
Either way sounds incredibly difficult
Lonestar041@reddit
Either or would be bad news. They search the ground with sonar, visibility in the depth down there is feet, maybe a few meters in total darkness with sediment in the water.
Submerged, high frequency sonar has a resolution of 1m2 on the seafloor, so objects smaller would not really be spotted.
But even mor important: That towed sonar with a high enough frequency to get that resolution can scan \~6 square km per hour. The Indian ocean has 70million square km.
It would take 333 years to scan just 25% of the Indian ocean at that speed and resolution...
redstercoolpanda@reddit
I think judging by the nature of what we've found and how little has washed up the plane is mostly intact down there. If he smashed it in at high speeds there would have been a hell of a lot more washing up.
SidFinch99@reddit
The fuselage may be still intact, but based on what they found, the rest of the plane is definitely still not. And most of the debris would have definitely sank before being washed ashore. A lot of things in the fuselage where bolted in, like the seats for example.
StillWithSteelBikes@reddit
Diego Garcia
redstercoolpanda@reddit
made up bullshit
HeWhoRemains369@reddit
Yeah the Titanic was an Ocean liner that traveled between the UK and New York. The Pilot on MH-370 appears to have deliberately crashed in the Southern ocean. One of the most remote places on the planet.
DeltaTule@reddit
Southern Ocean is not a place. Southern what ocean?
gonegotim@reddit
The "Southern Ocean". Enjoy learning something new today.
DeltaTule@reddit
Fair enough
kepleronlyknows@reddit
Even more than the route Titanic was on, they basically knew the lat/long for where it sunk down to a very small area.
Luster-Purge@reddit
On top of which, thanks to the nature of its demise it actually was arguably easier to find the Titanic than most other shipwrecks, since most shipwrecks don't have their guts spread across a large area of the ocean floor (the first part of Titanic that was found was IIRC a boiler that had fallen out of the ship).
serenading_ur_father@reddit
And that the ussr lost a sub in the vicinity so the CIA could use titanic as cover.
Sensitive-Menu-4580@reddit
The Titanic was discovered in 1985 and the movie came out in 1997. It was discovered on a mission that was actually an attempt to find some sunken US nuclear submarines and had nothing to do with the movie.
Fluid-Soil9231@reddit
If you believe Robert Ballard, it’s more accurate that Woods Hole only let him use the rover time to look for Titanic if the primary mission was naval/research. FWIW, (1) Titanic’s position when she sank was not uncontroversial (Ballard’s discovery settled a long dispute) and (2) finding Titanic was neither easy nor inevitable (although technological advances during the Cold War had made it an more attainable goal).
smorkoid@reddit
Not finding it has nothing to do with the government at this point, just geography and physics
jet-setting@reddit
Explain how the movie had an effect on finding the Titanic?
discardedbubble@reddit
😂that’s what I thought. Hopefully someday mh370 is made into a dramatic love story.
discardedbubble@reddit
Wasn’t the titanic movie made because they found it?
SidFinch99@reddit
The "grandeur behind the movie" of the titanic had nothing to do with finding it. The Titanic was found more than 12 years before the movie, and they always knew where it sunk because another boat came to help the surviving passengers. They just didn't have the technology to explore that deep, dark, and cold of an area. The evolution of submersible enabled them to find its exact spot at the bottom of the ocean.
I'll say this much to, I've never seen more conspiracies that made less sense than the ones related to MH370. Literally all the conspiracy crap, especially government reosted ones make no sense, because there is no benefit to them.
devoduder@reddit
The ufo subs are awash in conspiracies that a wormhole opened up and transported the plane somewhere else, hilarious fan fiction.
Radical-Bruxism@reddit
Man, life sounds so whimsical and fun if you’re stupid.
SidFinch99@reddit
Ignorance really is bliss.
SidFinch99@reddit
Honestly, at least that's an interesting conspiracy theory. The idiots who think it was either the Russian or U.S. Government get really annoying. They have nothing to gain from this. The problem with the wormhole theory is that they did find debris. The debris was in areas oceanogrophers thought it could end up based on currents and the most likely area the plane crashed in the southern Indian ocean.
It's just insanely difficult to find the fuselage without knowing precise coordinates of where it crashed.
runenoel@reddit
Have you seen the satellite and drone videos (pre Ai), and heard what happened to the guy that supposedly leaked it?
devoduder@reddit
I have not but I’m guessing he was ‘disappeared’ like the ufo connected retired USAF general that went missing recently. Share a link, I could use a fun read.
Nari224@reddit
I'm sure he was referring to that earlier, grand, Titanic movie, "Raise the Titanic!"
digwhoami@reddit
It's a goner for sure. We just don't have the technology to scan the bottom of the ocean for such humongous square milage yet.
SpaceMonkey_321@reddit
The flipside of that coin is that the US/Aus and possibly China obsolutely had the tech (spy surveillance satellites and underwater sonar networks) in place and likely have the relevant data, but won't disclose any of it to protect their military capabilities. Maybe in another 2 decades when the tech becomes declassified.
ImpressiveAd5695@reddit
So they know what happened to the missing plane???
frostysbox@reddit
I believe they do. A great example of this is that the military had a pretty fucking good idea that the Titan had imploded. A plane crashing into the ocean would be a huge sound and China at the very least probably had the data to help.
SuppressExpress@reddit
That area of the ocean doesn’t have the same type of hydrophone network that the north Atlantic has.
a-rooster-illusion@reddit
So you’re telling me you’re aware of what military spy capabilities are present or not present in that part of the world?
das_war_ein_Befehl@reddit
It’s long known that the US military listens closely to the North Atlantic because that’s the route subs coming in and out of Russia would take.
The Indian Ocean off Australia is not exactly a strategic route
SpaceMonkey_321@reddit
There are at least 3 known US mil satellites that track over that area (designated ones used to spy on russia, india and china) and at least 1 of them would have some data on that flight since the surveillance overlaps are timed/spaced for 24/7 coverage. Whether that data is sigint, deep penetration surveillance or basic imaging imint, some intel would have been gathered especially since that particular flight path was an extreme anomoly.
HDTBill@reddit
I do not feel anybody knows exactly where it plunked down. It was dark moonless night, heavy cloud cover below 22-south, and no need to monitor remote SIO for wayward aircraft. But I do feel USA/NTSB/FBI might have done a better job getting to the likely root cause of the disappearance and estimation of flight paths based on human behavior factors and the available evidence. Malaysia wanted to (mis)handle it all by themselves, for the obvious reason that it is a sensitive issue for them and others.
gefahr@reddit
So we just need Kate Winslet and James Cameron to wrap this thing up?
SpaceMonkey_321@reddit
Poor Jack. Always forgotten
gefahr@reddit
I didn't forget him. Just didn't think Rose needed him based on the whole floating thing.
kernpanic@reddit
It was also part of a cover for a us navy cold war project.
One of the difficulties of mh370, is no one cares about the area. For much of it, this is the first time its ever been mapped or explored.
MightySquirrel28@reddit
Mind you the movie came 85 years after it sunk, there is still enough time for it to be popular case amongst regular people that are not into aviation
jtbis@reddit
Even if they found it today, the recorders probably won’t be readable. They aren’t designed to last that long underwater.
It’s likely going to remain a mystery forever.
spazturtle@reddit
They would still hold data, they use SLC NOR flash which is rated for 15 years at room temperature and longer at colder temperatures.
jtbis@reddit
It’s not the flash that’s the problem. The waterproof enclosure is not rated for anywhere near 12 years in saltwater.
spazturtle@reddit
They would probably extract the chips and move them to a new pcb to read them rather than trying to directly download the data from the flight recorder.
tagillaslover@reddit
Is it still really a mystery? The pilot committed suicide by ocean. No one has found the plane because it’s in thousands of pieces at the bottom of the ocean.
discardedbubble@reddit
until there’s proof we don’t know that.
-Badger3-@reddit
This has been the conclusion of literally every investigative agency, with the exception of the Malaysian government, whose position is essentially “let’s try not to think about that.”
Kaggles_N533PA@reddit
To be fair, it took 2 years for people to find Air France 447's main wreckage at the bottom of the ocean. And they knew where that jet had crashed quite well
koolandkrazy@reddit
My first thought when realizing we are pretty much in ww3 was "omg what if i never find out what happened to mh370" 😆😭
Joamjoamjoam@reddit
If your amazed the you don’t indeed the scale of the ocean. They will never find it. Nor is it even worth the money trying anymore. There’s no information to be gained as the cause of the crash is quite clear.
The only reason these people tried was as an advertisement and test for their business.
m-in@reddit
It is probably heavily fragmented and I wouldn’t be surprised if they missed it. It may be impossible to find without using some new futuristic tech. In a high speed crash, especially if it was purposefully flown into the ocean at high speed, what’s left is like fine rubble.
rushphan@reddit
Is there even likely a coherent wreck at this point to find? It must be just a debris field, nothing resembling an intact aircraft. High-velocity aircraft crashes into water result in the total shattering of the airframe upon impact. After over a decade, is there even a localized debris field anymore?
piponwa@reddit
It'll be another secret project like when they found the titanic.
CompetitionRight1386@reddit
Not easy.
Main_Violinist_3372@reddit
I do feel that until the next attempt is on, the Malaysian government will just stonewall and stall just as they did with this search. This 2025/2026 search attempt has been in discussion since 2023. Not to be a cynic, but I doubt we’ll ever get another serious attempt greenlit by the Malaysian government.
Activision19@reddit
Why were they stonewalling?
Main_Violinist_3372@reddit
This is just my theory, but we all can put all the circumstantial evidence together and conclude that the disappearance of MH370 was politically motivated at the hands of Capt. Shah. As we’ve seen with EgyptAir 990, Silk Air 185, and recently Air India 171 pilot suicide/mass murder is a taboo topic. I believe the Malaysian government does not want to admit that MH370 was another one of these and that the sheer remoteness of the crash site and the difficulty of finding the wreck is fairly convenient for the government to not find out what happened to the plane.
But hey, what do I know? I’m not a qualified accident investigator.
Not_a_real_plebbitor@reddit
So the Malaysian govt doesn't want to find their own plane with Malaysian passengers on board because a Malaysian pilot possibly did a pilot suicide? What an extremely dumb theory.
I doubt we will ever find the truth about mh370 on such a controlled site as reddit.
ImpressiveAd5695@reddit
Well, you don't need to be an accident investigator to find the truth yourself.
dancedragon25@reddit
To add to some clarification to the other comments, it's not simply that the Malaysian government "prefers" not to confirm the top theory, it's an *expensive liability* for them if its confirmed their pilot was responsible.
npre@reddit
They would prefer not to admit that it was a pilot suicide and that everyone just forget about the whole thing.
the_grand_apartment@reddit
👆🏼
ImpressiveAd5695@reddit
They told Australia what really happened. Trust me. They know.
ratatouille211@reddit
I wonder if the pilot was alive when the plane touched the southern Indian Ocean or he offed himself.
It would not be prudent to somehow survive the deliberate crash, and find yourself in the middle of the Indian Ocean.
Dracogame@reddit
On the anniversary day no less… damn it they somehow made this mystery too intriguing to be let go. I had my hopes up this time around.
the-temp-account@reddit
I feel there’s a kinder date to announce it than to announce on the date of crash
jghaines@reddit
Is it a mystery? The existing evidence seems pretty conclusive of the broad details
BarbacoaBarbara@reddit
You mean the video? Yeah that video is real
Dracogame@reddit
We don’t know the why and the how. We can just speculate that it was suicide by captain but that doesn’t explain what the first pilot was doing, the crew was doing, the passengers, etc.
And we can’t even be 100% sure it was the captain.
jghaines@reddit
We don't know. However. It seems likely that the captain followed the flight that he planned out in his home simulator in advance of his final flight. He would almost certainly have locked the first officer out of the cabin as has been done on similar suicide flights. He could have easily depressurized the aircraft and been the only conscious person on board.
Dracogame@reddit
yeah, but this is again all speculation. Even the fact that he planned out the flight on the simulator is speculation, it’s just that a few points, from different sessions, all together look like what the flight path might have actually been. And we still have no reason for him to be suicidal. I think there’s enough mystery for it to be captivating.
JazznBlues_lover@reddit
What are those "broad details" you're speaking of? As far as I'm concerned and for a lot of aviation experts it's a mystery. The fact that there was no mayday or emergency declared by the pilots. The fact that it pretty much vanished without any trace of a wreckage or floating debris. Where the fuck did the plane go? If it crashed in the Indian/Southern Ocean, there would have been some significant floating debris. A plane of that size does not just "vanish" into thin air like that. A Boeing 777 is one of the largest commercial planes in service.
rosemary-mair-for-NZ@reddit
Yeah I guess it would seem pretty mysterious if you somehow knew nothing about it more than a decade on. They've found plenty of debris.
blurrows@reddit
After a high-speed ocean impact, floating wreckage realistically covers around 10 km². The South Indian Ocean is ~35 million km². That's a 1 in 3,500,000 ratio — if the ocean were a football field, the debris field would be smaller than a pinhead.
The impact angle matters a lot here. A near-vertical high-speed crash concentrates debris in a tight area and sinks most of it fast — very little floats. But investigators believe MH370 more likely ended in a controlled glide or unpowered descent, which would spread debris across a much wider surface area and leave more material floating. Ironically, the "gentler" ending actually makes the floating field larger but thinner — harder to spot, easier to miss.
Then ocean currents scatter it further at 10–30 km/day, so within weeks pieces that started together are hundreds of km apart. That's exactly why MH370 fragments turned up years later on beaches in Réunion, Madagascar and Mozambique — thousands of km from the crash site.
Finding a floating debris field in the South Indian Ocean isn't like finding a needle in a haystack. It's finding a needle in a haystack while the needle is actively moving away from you
3njolras@reddit
Well it is not that much of a mystery... There are many many clues.
So it is a mystery but : 1. Very likely planed crashed around the search area 2. Possibly it was hijacked by the captain. Why or how is unclear
Was someone flying it to the end ? Did it soft landed or crashed out of fuel ? Was it hijacked by someone else ? How ? If it was the captain what happened to the second pilot ? Was it pressurized ? What happened to the passengers ?
All of those are a mystery, though the general idea of what likely happened is not so mysterious
Luster-Purge@reddit
Personally I think there needed to be far more scrutiny put into the captain's affairs after the flight path stuff on his own simulator was found. I personally suspect it was murder-suicide by pilot for similar reasons as China Eastern Flight 5735 where the captain felt it was necessary to end it instantly with a big 'ol plane rather than keep living. With the China Eastern flight, I recall hearing that captain's finances were in the toilet after some investments basically made him bankrupt - stuff the current Chinese government obviously wouldn't want to be made public (and why they buried any required investigations as fast as possible).
With MH370, burying a plane in the middle of unexplored ocean would be the best way to hide evidence, with the involved government also wanting to bury any investigation as soon as possible. What makes it so much more difficult is I suspect the plane hit the water at great speed, effectively obliterating most of it and only small pieces (such as the confirmed debris found later) left. Unless the black boxes are somehow found at this point, I think MH370 will just be another unsolvable mystery.
JazznBlues_lover@reddit
You're splitting semantics at this point. You just admitted all the reasons that it's still a mystery!
3njolras@reddit
Well maybe. To me a mystery would be if we were still at the stage where all we knew was the last atc transmission was 'good night' and the plane vanished.
JazznBlues_lover@reddit
You are making outlandish & illogical claims based on your own personal silly whims. Simply put, you are delusional and I refuse to engage in further conversations with you.
honeydewspaark@reddit
Every time a new search launches the hope feels real and every conclusion just makes silence heavier
WeddingPKM@reddit
There’s honestly very little chance it will ever be found. Titanic was far larger and we knew approximately where it sank yet it still took decades to find it.
Rurnastk@reddit
I hope this isn't disrespectful to ask but what exactly would they be looking for? The plane is surely in pieces right? It's probably scattered all across the ocean and with this amount of time, there's not going to be any evidence left to maybe any definitive conclusion?
Yeltsa-Kcir1987@reddit
Ocean floor mapping and public pr.
shiftyjku@reddit
Titanic was down there a lot longer than that when they found it.
3000doorsofportugal@reddit
I mean the difference is there was a general location given for where she might have sunk. The Wireless operators transmitted the approximate coordinates for where she was sinking. Part of the issue in this case is we dont even have a approximate location.
shiftyjku@reddit
I know .. my point was just that time didn't diminish the interest in finding it.
SRM_Thornfoot@reddit
because they did not find a large amount of floating debris it is assumed the plane did not break up on crashing and descended slowly rather than dove into the ocean.
HDTBill@reddit
That is actually one of the most divisive MH370 topics. some say super-sonic nose dive into a billion tiny bits (with structural stresses in air allowing some parts to come off in the air), and some say Sully style soft ditch attenpt.
railker@reddit
The two comparisons would be like AF447 with a slow stall/glide, still significant damage but the footprint of the debris field on the ocean floor was relatively small; or yeah, Swissair 111 which basically had to be dredged up in buckets from the ocean floor and sorted in a warehouse.
I remember that Tennessee private jet crash that ran out of fuel after pilots likely went hypoxic, one engine failed first and put it into a turn, which developed into a spiral. Rate of descent increased to read 30,016 fpm [341mph] for a number of data points before impact, possibly just the highest value its avionics could output, interpolating actual altitude outputs across timestamps gives closer to 46,000 fpm [519mph]. Could very well be the case if the Captain wasn't flying anymore and the 777 entered a spiral and that airplane is just confetti with some landing gear and engines somewhere nearby.
Agreeable_Cheek_7161@reddit
Not exactly. They think the plane entered in a way that kept most of the body in tact and it sunk straight to the bottom
JazznBlues_lover@reddit
Who are these people making these claims? Not only is it implausible, it's quite ridiculous. A Boeing 777 is one of the largest commercial planes in existence (with the exception of a 747 or Airbus 380). A jet plane of that size traveling across the Indian Ocean does not conveniently crash in such a way that leaves the fuselage intact. Even if it miraculously did so, some parts of the plane such as the wing, would have broken off. It's impossible for a plane of that size not to break up on impact.
ForsakenRacism@reddit
Little pieces would have floated and washed up
nj_5oh@reddit
They have, and been recovered on the beaches of Africa and Tasmania iirc
confusedguy1212@reddit
Why do they insist tho on looking close to Australia each time after the initial searches proved fruitless?
AdventurousTackle558@reddit
Do a little bit of reading on the subject, They have a fairly good idea where the plane was, The Malaysian government has an even better idea.
But with currents, and where debris ended up, There is only certain places the plane could have impacted.
DaddyIngrosso@reddit
Stupid question but if they know roughly where it impacted and they (most likely) have historical data for wind and currents, can’t they come up with its current place? Or is that what they’ve been trying to do
teapots_at_ten_paces@reddit
That's what they've been doing.
The initial modelling was based on possible flight paths from those last confirmed electronic contacts. Newer modelling includes all the other data points retrieved since then, such as currents etc. It still leads to the same areas. The problem is it'll never be exact.
abfgern_@reddit
Because they think it's more likely to be there and that it was missed in previous searches, than it being somewhere else. Obviously.
throwawayfromPA1701@reddit
No. Not australia, Africa. Tanzania, Madagascar, and Réunion.
ES_Legman@reddit
Finding it would be a massive boost for the technology behind it
throwawayfromPA1701@reddit
They've made a lot of inferences from what little debris was recovered that the main debris field is likely to be fairly contained on the sea bed based on how it impacted the ocean.
Silver-Forever9085@reddit
Checked the found debris and it’s very far from the location they were doing the search now. I really wonder if they are on the wrong track with the 7. ring!
throwawayfromPA1701@reddit
Ocean currents in the Indian Ocean pushed the found debris west toward where it was found. This is stuff that can be modeled. But the area in the search area is unfortunately vast.
Silver-Forever9085@reddit
No offense but we see how good it can be modeled. The plane is still not found. That’s why I am mentioning it. They should relay try to find other ways to find new glues. I know that there are a lot of bright minds on this „cold case“ and really hope this is not the end.
railker@reddit
It certainly won't be the end, and Ocean Infinity themselves said it. Same happened with AF447, discoveries from each search educated and molded the parameters for the next. Just have to pull and sort enough data and theories to plot a reasonable next target area to look. When the ocean cooperates, sounds like it's rough just finding a calm enough season to go out there to do a search.
carsnbikesnplanes@reddit
There has been zero debris found
throwawayfromPA1701@reddit
Yeah, that is not correct.
Tof12345@reddit
MH370 debris pieces have been found. What are you talking about? Multiple parts of the wing have washed ashore. It's just that they can't find the main fuselage.
BAMES_J0ND@reddit
Incorrect
CARCaptainToastman@reddit
Honestly? Whatever is left. That's really the only answer.
I'd be shocked if the flight data recorder or CVR contain any recoverable information at this point, but it's impossible to know for sure unless the wreckage is found.
Corvid187@reddit
Wouldn't have been the first time partial data has been recovered long past expectations, TBF
DaleDenton08@reddit
What are other times? Genuine question
Mynameisdiehard@reddit
Air France 447 for one, granted that was only 2 years
railker@reddit
That wasn't even partial data though, the CVR/FDR boards were recovered looking like they were in mint shape and AFAIK, the data was 100% recovered with no issues. I think one of them had maybe a busted connector to fix.
Mynameisdiehard@reddit
Exactly. So an even better example that data recovery might still be possible
railker@reddit
With the potential factor of pilot interference though, they'd certainly be great to see found but I wouldn't be hopeful they recorded much beyond the point we lost all tracking of the aircraft. If it's a 2-hour CVR and it did keep recording, we'd just have the last two hours of whatever cockpit noise, then increase in wind noise and impact. Not sure how much data the FDR would be able to keep, potentially multiple flights' worth.
But I guess something would be better than a vacuum of unknowns. Like that Medevac jet crash in Philly in the days after the DC one. No FDR, but they found and recovered a CVR, yea! Except maintenance fucked up and the last recorded flight was from years prior.
digwhoami@reddit
AF447 location at the time it vanished from the radar was well known, so there's that to take into consideration as well.
Mynameisdiehard@reddit
They didn't get the data recorders for almost 2 years
Bourbonaddicted@reddit
Closure
Aromatic_Razzmatazz@reddit
Evidence. Any evidence whatsoever.
bdtechted@reddit
At least they can now rule out another area of the Indian Ocean. Then the next search team can look elsewhere in the future.
mb194dc@reddit
Will be found eventually... Look how long it took to find the Titanic and that was bigger and in a smaller area.
By 2100 is a reasonable guess.
DrDuned@reddit
The Titanic broke in pieces and sank, but we had large intact chunks that made it easier to find.
This aircraft hit the ocean at speed. We don't know the actual speed and angle of descent but it's far more akin to the debris field explosion of the Titan submersible than it is the Titanic. I doubt we're going to find any parts big enough or intact enough to help us determine anything with certainty at this point.
Occam's Razor says it was intentional suicide by the pilot and the Malaysian government covered it up at least in part time avoid embarrassment and probably having to pay victims' families.
boost_deuce@reddit
Titanic vs MH370 could be the worst comparison, ever.
They knew within a few miles of where the titanic was because they gave out their location, and there were survivors with rescue ships there.
A 777-200 can fly for 15+ hours. They have zero idea of any location of the plane.
i_have_chosen_a_name@reddit
Also the titantic broke in to main, gigantic pieces. Well this plane likely disintegrated on impact.
mb194dc@reddit
What about if you compare the technology in 1912 to now?
boost_deuce@reddit
You mean the coordinates for latitude and longitude from the distress signal? I think those are the same today as they were in 1912
mb194dc@reddit
Pretty obviously I meant comparing the size of the search area v the technological improvement since 1912.
They had a rough idea of where Titanic was but it still took 73 years.
I'm sure you'd have found it in a week though.
Nari224@reddit
It took most of those 73 years to build submersibles that could go that deep and to find someone with the money and the interest (there were two world wars in-between which dampened enthusiasm).
Ballard's first attempt in 1977 did not go very well. Jack Grimm's approaches were... interesting. And in the end, Ballard only succeeded because the US Navy paid him to develop something that could find and survey Scorpion and Thresher (two nuclear subs lost in the North Atlantic) and then let him use it to find Titanic after that was done.
Ballard also learned from the two sub hunts to look for debris field patterns visually rather than relying on sonar scans. And he was looking in an area that's "only" around 1200 square miles (a simple estimate of trying to triangulate between Titanic's two incorrect position reports that are themselves 10 miles apart but some 20 miles from the actual wreck and Carpathia's also incorrect records of where it picked up survivors).
And the Titanic, and most especially one of the boilers that was found first, are huge chunks of iron that corrode slowly at that depth and are visibly distinct on the sea floor even in the sea floor silt.
MH370 is somewhere in approximately half an ocean and likely only represented today by a huge debris field of things the size of a football or smaller.
summerofsoccer@reddit
Actually, the location titanic gave out was wrong but other ships had a more accurate location idea of where she was, but it took decades for that to be verified
this_is_bs@reddit
I think they have more than zero idea. They have ideas, although they're yet to be proven right.
Ok_Suggestion_6092@reddit
I saw a breakdown about that the other day, the thing Robert Ballard had going for him was that there was a good idea of where Titanic was. We know MH370 is in this one general area of the world. That’s about as narrowed down as we have it.
HDTBill@reddit
The better comparison is probably Air France 447 which was "puking" exact location data all the way to the ocean impact...and that crash took 2-years to find.
enataca@reddit
Titanic also probably stayed more intact though. Easier to locate a giant metal ship than a bunch of relatively small pieces.
ImpressiveAd5695@reddit
Correct.
MysticMarauder69@reddit
But it also sank in 1912, the sonar technology that made the titanic discoverable wasn't around until the 1980s. Also, an enormous steel ship will hang around a lot longer than a reletively small aircraft that may have largely disintegrated on impact.
LigerSixOne@reddit
Yes, but several different ships logged a pretty accurate location of that sinking. Just blindly searching the south pacific is not the same.
ChillyPhilly27@reddit
Pacific?
LigerSixOne@reddit
Or the Indian or the southern , and everywhere else inside the fuel radius of that day’s payload. It’s a significant portion of earth and everything is an educated guess as of now.
MysticMarauder69@reddit
I think the probably meant Indian Ocean
MysticMarauder69@reddit
Yeah that too
West_Coach69@reddit
That doesn't suggest it would be found eventually. That shows how hard it was to find. And with the titanic there was lots of hope to find massive pieces in fact of a legendary ship with literal treasure on board.
This was just some standard plane.
GraugussConnaisseur@reddit
You will find the Titanic with a simple huge coil on a plane and the coordinates were known
I_SHEOGORATH_I@reddit
Since the plane is made up mostly of lightweight metals like aluminium, unfortunately it will deteriorate far quicker than the titanic did. The engines may be the biggest longest lasting peices. We don't have as much time to find it.
Infinite_Bottle_3912@reddit
Did they look in the portal?
virgo911@reddit
To everyone in these comments saying “I hope they find the aircraft in my lifetime”:
They won’t, because they already have. The aircraft was completely disintegrated on impact with the ocean. They have found pieces washed up on beaches in Madagascar.
The pilot took down the plane in a murder suicide. He had practiced the route on his personal flight sim.
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Addmoregunpowder@reddit
Why don’t they just ask a dolphin? They must know, or at least heard about it
HowAmIHere2000@reddit
Isn't technology so advanced that they can them to find an airplane? It's hard to believe that an airplane is just vanished.
TheAIFutureIsNow@reddit
Technology is so advanced that MH370 was zapped out of existence by foo fighters, which was ever so conveniently recorded by an ever so conveniently positioned MQ9 Reaper drone.
Civilians, unfortunately, don’t yet have the tech to go after electromagnetic anomalies and/or literal ruptures of spacetime.
Not to mention that the truth is suppressed to an absurd point where most of you probably haven’t even the faintest clue what I’m talking about, despite many of us knowing what happened to MH370, albeit not where it went.
railker@reddit
Before 2019, only 3 people had been to the Challenger Deep in the Marianas Trench, meanwhile 12 people had been to the moon. The number is only recently climbed to about just over 20.
95% of the ocean is unexplored. That shit is huge and largely invisible. We can see into other galaxies in space, but you stop being able to really detect light about 200m below the surface of the ocean, and by 1,000m down it's complete blackness.
The wreckage of AF447 was at about 4,000m. Even when it's last GPS position was broadcast after the crash sequence was started, it still took almost 2 years to find the wreckage in "only" a 11,000mi^(2) initial search area.
The latest search alone by Ocean Infinity covered over 54,000mi^(2).
dis3as3d_sfw@reddit
How’d we lose a plane. It’s not like it’s a set of car keys. Guarantee one of those satellites was watching.
TheAIFutureIsNow@reddit
Foo Fighters.
SpiderSlitScrotums@reddit
There was a satellite ping, but it was only hourly, so you can imagine the size of the area that this would require searching at full flight speed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_satellite_communications
TheAIFutureIsNow@reddit
Well you ain’t gonna find a plane that got zapped out of existence by foo fighters using any sort of conventional means, are ya?
What an absolute farce this entire search has been.
Why hasn’t anyone actually asked the USAF about the MQ9 Reaper drone that just so happened to be perfectly positioned to capture the abnormal event?
Why is it only conspiracy realists that bother to ask the right questions?
Planes full of people don’t just disappear without a trace.
piethebuilder@reddit
151 days seems low…
railker@reddit
Could be about right. BEA's 'Sea Search Operations' document covering the methods used to find AF447 note that the IFREMER's Towed Acoustic Sonar (TAS) system used in that search covered about 100km^(2)/day. OceanInfinity reports a search area of "more than" 140,000km^(2).
100*150=150,000km^(2) potentially could be covered, if using the same setup. I have no idea if that's the system OI is using, how long their days are, etc. but it stands to be feasible.
donoteatthatfrog@reddit
100 x 150 = 15,000 . Sorry for the nitpick
railker@reddit
.......... I did that on a calculator how did I fuck that up 😂
Accuracy isn't nitpickiness, it's good reporting.
donoteatthatfrog@reddit
:)
Cheers
Balcacer@reddit
This is the end
ForsakenRacism@reddit
Some rich asshole will look like they did for titanic
nine57th@reddit
Huh? Robert Ballard, who found the Titanic, works for the School of Oceanography at the University of Rhode Island. You really should know your stuff before speaking! :)
EvenMoreCoconuts@reddit
I love your last sentence with the emoticon. Possibly the most professional and polite way to tell someone they’re confidently incorrect.
exbex@reddit
I think he was actually working for the CIA at the time. But shhhhhhh.
PT91T@reddit
Nope. He was working for the navy which funded the project so they could also investigate two US submarines which sank (I mean he was literally a navy reserve officer anyway).
exbex@reddit
After reading Blind Man’s Bluff, I realized the underwater Navy really works for the CIA. It’s a fascinating book. Worth your time if you want to learn about some of the crazy stuff that happened after WWII.
PT91T@reddit
No, I've heard about most of these projects and the CIA definitely tapped on the submarine force for lots of intelligence-gathering operations. But they're very much distinct as most naval activities are not of interest to the CIA.
Furthermore, Richard Ballard himself does not come from the underwater submarine force anyway but from the much smaller office of naval research, specifically for oceanographic issues (plus liaising with civilian research organisations).
Captain_Futile@reddit
Robert Ballard is not a rich asshole.
HorsieJuice@reddit
Maybe not Ballard, but what about the American government that funded his operation?
funyuns4ever@reddit
Yeah what a bunch of assholes, trying to find their lost sailors.
sheriffant@reddit
Are you referring to Dr. Robert Ballard, who found the Titanic? Or Stockton Rush, the CEO of OceanGate?
Shoddy_Act7059@reddit (OP)
Yeah, because one of them is a highly respected marine biologist who found not only Titanic, but also the German WWII battleship Bismarck (just to name one example), and the other is Stockton Rush.
throwawayfromPA1701@reddit
That's not how the Titanic was found...
Drone314@reddit
Yeah they were looking for something else a little more spicy....and there is a non-zero number of spicy things on the ocean floor for anyone to find.
rckhppr@reddit
My only friend, the end
adjust_your_set@reddit
Too many relatively small parts dispersed and buried in ocean mud over years now.
The bits that washed up immediately after the crash I fear are all we’re ever going to get.
3njolras@reddit
Can still find the engines if lucky. Compressors are big and likely in relatively one piece. But small in a big oceab
HiTork@reddit
This is the consolation for me, MH370 didn't dissappear without a trace, but we found bits that were confirmed to have come from the aircraft, so at the very least we know it went down in the ocean.
avboden@reddit
Yeah, there's likely just nothing big enough to find as a "plane" anymore. If it hit at a high rate of speed then it practically disintegrated on impact, everything spread apart quickly before sinking. Nothing to show up on search equipment.
theopinionexpert@reddit
What a fail
AstolfoPrime1@reddit
It is very sad because I feel for the families that have to go through this grief.
There's not really good news but news nonetheless, I looked at the report from 2017 and I found these images and I'm not sure if these are planes or not.
CiaphasCain8849@reddit
I thought it was pretty conclusive to be on the bottom of the ocean underneath like 25 mi of silt?
EisackNewton@reddit
I also read about this and then found a paper on silt depths in the oceans which seems to confirm it. But then the "real bottom" of the ocean would be much much deeper than the deepest point in the Mariana Trench? I dont get this. What even is silt? How is the density of this silt? Does an airplane just float through it or is the "silt" more compact and could support the weight of the aircraft? I would appreciate someone explaining this concept of miles of silt!
bootstrapping_lad@reddit
Under 25 miles of silt?
BreezyMcWeasel@reddit
Yes. So, so much silt. Were you not aware that is a very silty area?
So much silt that a mountain of deposited silt on top of the wreckage would stick up above the surface of the ocean approximately 116,000 feet, making it much taller than Mt Everest.
railker@reddit
Lot of assumptions based on who knows what knowledge. AF447 was at the bottom for 2 years and they found the orange of the black box just chilling on top of the sand, completely not buried, just 'Oh look, there it is.' I get 12 is longer than 2, but apparently currents that would bury stuff in silt aren't wild at those depths, recovered aircraft parts were relatively uncorroded (pressure+temperature not propogating to corrosion or something), even people's bodies were still intact and tied in rows of seats, though turned to wax in a process called "soapification", they tried recovering some but ultimately left many at the bottom untouched.
Otherwise_Patience47@reddit
The greatest mystery of the 21st century, so far. So sad and intriguing. It didn’t help that the stigma of pilots having mental issues (and talking about it) is a no no in the industry…
Mediocre-Housing-131@reddit
The absolute refusal to accept that they have the flight path wrong
sharipep@reddit
Ugh
salvatore813@reddit
I can't imagine the peace that will be delivered by closure, perhaps one day it shall.
ImpressiveAd5695@reddit
The torment will never end.
ImpressiveAd5695@reddit
It is pilot suicide = Game over. Hope the country nuked to death over this stupidity.
mollyyfcooke@reddit
It was pilot suicide and various parts have washed up over the years. I hate that this flight has been made into a conspiracy theory.
tasha2701@reddit
I just think it’s the lack of closure for the families who had loved ones on that flight. Although it’s pretty conclusive that everyone onboard is dead, the families at least deserve to have a conclusive explanation as to how and why they died.
teapots_at_ten_paces@reddit
I think for the families to have an idea where they are too. I don't imagine the wreckage or the bodies will ever be retrieved - it'll be a massive feat of human engineering if it can - but to have the location of the wreckage, the exact coordinates, gives them a location to travel to for remembrance or wreath laying (throwing) should they ever wish to.
rootshirt@reddit
Just because you think you know what happened and others are still guessing doesn't make something a conspiracy lol
mollyyfcooke@reddit
You could do a single google search and see that some people really do think it’s a conspiracy. But thank you for being an asshole.
Certain_Silver6524@reddit
It's not so much a conspiracy, as a lack of closure.
Heisenburg7@reddit
Spoiler: They crashed.
reckoning42@reddit
Wow, a self-imposed, premature lame duck President. Well done sir. You've beaten yourself.
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SA1996@reddit
Pilot suicide in the middle of the sea.
We don't need the wreckahe to know what happened.
AlternativeEdge2725@reddit
Well damn.
Glittering_Oil7761@reddit
Y’all act like planes have never disappeared before.
We knew this from the end of the first month of searching.
enataca@reddit
Damn you should’ve informed the authorities and experts from all over the world that they were wasting their time.