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You sir, have my vote, my entire extended family's votes, and I ultimately volunteer my services to you as the Secretary of steal-whatever-shit-is-needed-to-make-super tomcat-real. No pay necessary.
Oh, you'd be surprised... You need to head over here to Bruntingthorpe in the UK, the enthusiasts there put one Cold War warbird back in the sky, and they might be working on another.
There will be a handful of billionaires rich enough for this. The original program relied on economies of scale and now destroyed supply chains to get the unit costs down which means restoring it is either eye wateringly expensive artisan work in far more areas than you would expect or rebooting entire industries. Even then they probably couldn't afford it as liquidating so many of their assets to afford it would cause their net worth to collapse.
Exactly, if we (as in the USA) wanted to get a heritage flight of an F-14 we could probably make it happen, I'm sure the plans exist in a vault somewhere and we could contract out building the bare minimum "make it fly" requirements are.
A billionaire, assuming they get regulatory approval, could certainly do the same thing.
There are thousands of little details that go into manufacturing beyond just "the plans/designs" little tweaks and updates that don't get folded back into the overall design. A lot of those would also depend on technology that no longer exists. You'd be better off showing someone a picture of an F-14, saying "make me an aircraft that looks exactly like that" and not worrying about the designs at all.
For an example, try to make wrought iron at a commercial rate today. Despite being relatively "simple", we no longer make it at commerical levels and our furnaces/forges have progressed to the point where you really can't make it anymore (boutique shops and batches can sort of be made, but this is just an analogy). You'd have to go back and design one from the ground up to make the raw materials.
So the whole issue of possible gets tricky when you'd not just have to "build the parts, but "rebuild an entire industry just to be able to make the parts"
I never understand why do that, they did the same with the f22, and it cant be hard to store this stuff, especially when you just sent billions making it
It’s unclear whether all F-14s had their wing boxes cut up. Odds are that there are a few at AMARG or wherever that could theoretically be restored to flying status. Nonetheless, our best bet for seeing a flying F-14 in the US again was to bring back one of the IRIAF birds. Assuming that the damage is anything less than superficial, that hope has now been extinguished.
I’ve spent some time as a docent at an air museum and I’ve seen the Tomcat up close. They absolutely shredded those things in order to make them safe to display. Looks like a real hack job compared to other military aircraft I’ve seen gutted for display
The museum piece is arguably far safer to leave as is. Nobody’s gonna come steal it from the museum. And yet they went through all those lengths. There’s no way they left one in the boneyard to be found and restored.
> The museum piece is arguably far safer to leave as is. Nobody’s gonna come steal it from the museum
During the Falkland's war there were aircraft that had been donated to American museums with abandoned aerial refuelling kit still attached which were needed for the Black Buck Raids. The US government quietly let British engineers go into the museums after dark and remove the parts required. Granted thats with official approval but a hostile state could pay off/incapacitate museum security and quickly remove the components they need. It would be more of a heist than a military raid.
I was talking to the older guy that works at our local aviation museum about ours. According to him it came back from the Middle East in 06, got flown here, and a tug brought it inside the hangar where it’s sitting now. Allegedly DOD/Navy/Grumman never came in and de-milled it. I’ll say this much, the engines, ejection seats, and every piece of the interior are still in it as opposed to the ones you normally see with just dummy nozzles and the blacked out canopy to hide the fact the interiors are stripped.
> Assuming that the damage is anything less than superficial, that hope has now been extinguished.
I dreamed a dream, but now that dream is gone from me.
Why, and I ask you with kindness in my heart, WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU WANT TO DO THAT?
The F-14 was a bad, expensive, dangerous, and HUGELY EXPENSIVE platform. It killed a \*LOT\* of good pilots. Why do you want one?
The F-14 was a bad solution to a poorly-formed question that was relevant for about four years as a Phoenix-carrier.
The F-14 is the sort of thing you get when you give infinite money to idiots.
But why should they?
No matter how much, like any other kid who grew up with Top Gun, love the F-14, I don't see any logic or sense in restoring any F-14, not even as a war bird
They destroyed even more. Well, i won't really be sad if some 787s or smthn will burn, but when such rare aircraft being destroyed-it just gives me a bad feeling that we've just lost something cool and approached to uninteresting future of aviation. I don't want to speak my mind about Israel and what i wish for their aviation, just believe that "nothing bad"
Relax, they aren’t rare. There is at least 100 of them around in museums or otherwise on display that you can go look at all you want. That is what happens to outdated aircraft - they go to museums.
America shredded all parts when they retired the Tomcat, to prevent Iran getting the parts. This was because the Tomcat was Iran's best fighter by far.
So all the American preserved Tomcats are really just shells. They're empty husks with everything stripped out. Might as well just be statues. They will never fly or taxi again.
Iran had the last "operational" and "able to be flown" Tomcats.
Allegedly, there are a few that the Navy missed for stripping and have their full packages intact in a few museums, but that doesn't really raise the likelihood of seeing one fly as the Navy also got rid of the tooling for making spare parts.
F-14 Tomcat has been officially permanently deleted from the real world now
but not in DCS, War Thunder, Roblox, VRChat, GeoFS, NES, SNES, Gameboy, Gameboy Advance, Ace Combat Series, and More floating around the internet waiting to be Virtually airborne again for us to enjoy.
https://preview.redd.it/otw8drt1wtng1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=43378c2cf5e6628d3afeb5643d810c107d7f283c
(Image from Gameboy Advance F-14 Tomcat)
I hope this will make some people feel better
I don't have enough money for that (more like don't want to spend)
But 5 years ago someone gave me Meta Quest 2 as a Christmas gift and turn out that there two very good flyable F-14 world in vrchat and I played it a lot I still remember I took off the F-14 from the carrier in vrchat for the first time on October 6th 2024 10:46:21 PM.
There's a whole community around it! Check out the group The Black Aces, they've got lobbies open pretty often. Most VRC flight sims can be played on a flat screen without VR, too.
https://preview.redd.it/426phtux7ung1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0e01a3dbdb853a5c51cfbda81589ad1590c745d8
Almost feel like getting another X360 to give the ol' girl a run out in Tom Clancy's H.A.W.X.
Yes. Old stuff dies and new stuff replaces it.
We also have the Eurofighter Typhoon hitting its straps, and they hunt and kill f-15s for fun. They would delete F-14s for breakfast.
F-22s are an aging and tired system, but they are still incredible.
F/A-18s are catching up with the Typhoon, and are an amazing BVR platform with some very cool non-kinetic SEAD abilities.
Then there's the F-35 which is, on obvious combat performance, Actual Fucking Magic.
And then the B-2 flies in in actual full cloud-free daylight and drops a set 8,000km from launch. In daylight. from about 15,000 feet. "You can't touch me.' In daylight.
And the B-52s will be fighting the last residual cooling of the universe.
Some planes are good. Some planes are bad. All planes get old. New planes are better than old planes.
The F-14 was a stupid answer to a silly question and is now remembered in a movie.
WHERE IS THE PHANTOM LOVE?
It's definitely weird that they consider the F-22 obsolete, but at the same time, the F-22 is such a weird plane because it feels like it's still this new, cutting edge technology, yet the youngest of them were built 14 years ago and it's been flying since the late 90s.
It feels like a plane built for a war that never happened and (hopefully) never will.
First F-22 flight was almost 30 years ago.
It doesn’t seem like it, but it’s basically at the same point in its life as the F-14 was at the turn of the century.
I can’t be the only one that stopped reading there. They’re dismissing that old planes are cool as fuck and simultaneously putting the F-22 in the same “old” class as the F-14. Like come on, be real lmao.
F/A-18s are still being built. The F-22 line was destroyed 15 years ago. There will be more new F/A-18s. The US Congress has legislated that there will be no more F-22s.
BOTH OF THESE PLATFORMS ARE INCREDIBLE AND UNMATCHED.
I think everything you said here besides the B52 was wrong. The Tomcat had a radar about four times the size and strength of the euro fighter. The F35 is an exported aircraft and can’t hold a match to the F22 which we do not export and only gets flown by us because it’s nightmare fuel to anything in the sky.
Small addition id like to add. We exported the f22 as well as f35 to China via bad operations security.
https://www.19fortyfive.com/2025/04/chinas-j-20-stealth-fighter-made-in-america-as-in-stolen-f-35-and-f-22-designs/
*"And the B-52s will be fighting the last residual cooling of the universe."*
Classic!
*"WHERE IS THE PHANTOM LOVE?"*
I know guys who have flown Phantoms and then moved on to Tomcats. All of them preferred the Phantoms.
[you can visit the once largest fixed wing cargo aircraft in Google earth](https://www.google.com/maps/@50.4750475,30.3824161,3a,75y,354.56h,86.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAF1QipM3JNvR0hbap-GAW17YdN-FoEhojSbdc3n6zdww!2e10!7i10000!8i5000)
There’s a gap between «struck Iran’s F14 fleet» at a specific location and destroying the last F14.
I am certain that IDF would proudly tell us with capital letters if they actually destroyed the last F14.
The Tomcats in most Museums were flown in and get inspected every few years as they are still
owned by the military and considered emergency assets. In theory if the museum takes ownership and then after the grace period sells to a private party that party could get them airborne. Not going to say where but there was a tomcat inspected a few years ago and the team found 1000lb of fuel still in it, apparently had a weird drain procedure that wasn’t followed
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Israel loves destruction thats for sure. Lets home they dont attack any of iran's absolutely mind blowing heritage sites so tourists can one day get to see them!
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I used to really enjoy watching them launch from USS America (CV-66) with full AB blasting against the jet blast deflector at night. The way the sound shook every part of your body was quite an experience.
The tomcats were sold to Iran when the Shah was in power. They purchased them, you didn’t donate your tax money. The , the Islamic revolution happened and the new regime effectively stole the tomcats from the previous government. Now, Israel used aircraft it purchased to drop bombs that purchased on airplanes that someone purchased and someone else stole. So not exactly your tax dollars on either side.
Not quite. Israel annually receives a baseline $3.3B in military aid funded by US taxpayers, plus additional "wartime" support (on the order of $15B in the last two years). They're by far the largest recipient of US taxpayer support for their military.
Most other countries (e.g., all the Gulf countries) get authorization to buy US weapons, and then use their own money to buy them. I don't know the purchase history of the F-14s but I assume that half of your comment is correct.
Yes, but consider that US military aid to Israel is money spent at American companies. Israel also purchases as much or more equipment with its own money than it gets from aid. All the money together is spent at US companies that employ Americans. This is the same with aid to Ukraine (nearly as much in recent years as Israel). Both countries are at war with enemies of the USA (and the West) so it is really an excellent investment into the US economy that supports its allies to fight its enemies.
Pretty sure Iran paid for all their jets at a profitable rate, they were just the only country that wanted the F-14 and got approved to buy them (probably because they were willing to pay the very high sticker price). So not really blowing up tax dollars, that deal was straight profit and helped offset the costs of the program otherwise born by the DOD via our tax dollars. This is the same reason we are happily selling F-35 internationally, it’s bringing the unit cost down for everyone through economies of scale
Iran was also approved for the F-16 with first deliveries due in late 1979, which would've made them the 3rd foreign operator (and 1st non-NATO) operator of them before even Israel got them, but the Islamic Revolution happened in February
The economies of scale argument is real, same logic applies to why the US pushes F-35 exports so hard. Still a weird feeling watching the last operational Tomcats go out this way rather than in a museum somewhere.
this is a hilarious biproduct of US intervention lol “oh no the current tyrannical regime is destroying the planes we gave to the last tyrannical regime noooo”
They were at least until the late 2010s. One crashed in Isfahan in 2019 and they flew a few anti-ISIS missions with the Russian Air Force before that. And since they reverse-engineered the F-5 enought to build unlicensed copies, they probably could produce some spares by themselves. The F-14 were their most advanced fighters for decades.
Pre-1979 revolution Iran was a police state and anti-Soviet ally of the U.S.:
[Mohammad Reza Pahlavi - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi)
Iran was one of the launch customers for the F-14 and provided a large amount of funding to keep the program solvent. This was before the revolution in 1979 when Iran was an ally of the US. The Shah needed an aircraft to deal with Mig-25s that could overfly with impunity due to the available performance of the F-4s in their inventory at the time. After 1979 Iran had a national program to sustain the aircraft including surreptitiously obtaining parts, which is why the US Navy disposed of the aircraft and spares.
There’s 8 in the boneyard that might be able to be restored, plus all the ones on display in various museums. Parts for the wing box will be a huge issue
Did the F-14s at the boneyard have their wing boxes cut? I’ve searched and searched, but can’t get a definitive answer to that question. I guess that those who know have no reason to talk about it.
I just looked myself and I can’t find any confirmation one way or the other. I’m not sure why they would cut the boxes on such a small amount of planes left intact. I’d like to think they’re able to be restored, but the military works in mysterious ways.
Like how all of the retired f-117’s are actually just in cold storage and can be pulled out if needed, I like to think the desert cats are whole and there for when a plucky pilot needs to steal a plane for democracy or something.
The purpose of AMARG is to preserve aircraft - or parts thereof - for future use. I don’t know if there are F-14s at the boneyard outside of the history and celebrity rows, but if so I’d bet good money that their wing boxes are intact.
Israel doesn't really GAF about anything than their malign agenda. They certainly don't give a damn about preserving aviation history. Not when the planes in question are owned by their never ending enemy.
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Can any reddit military experts explain to me how any country that is at war with a country that has missiles could have an airforce/navy? How do you even defend against a rocket barrage against ships sitting in port or planes in hangers? Anti missiles systems at literally ever single base that also never fail?
It's Top Gun isn't it? the insane love for a 1960s-tech fighter from the 1970s that was fast in a straight line, couldn't turn and spent more time in the hangar than a lazy staff Sgt?
It was a good plane for its job and it died a very long time ago, long after many much better planes were in service.
7o.
I can understand the love for the F14 - a Cold War relic that was COOL and had a whole movie.
The A-10 people scare me.
(that's a thing from the EVE online community. A well-intentioned salute from a noob done with the wrong hand, in the wrong way, at the wrong time, to the wrong person. We have all seen this salute.")
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What a stupid idea. Aircraft are NOT as important as human beings. Islamic regime slaughtered 30,000 of its own people who were protesting peacefully. We must disarm the regime completely since they refuse to stop building nuclear weapons and long-range ballistic missiles; they are a threat to the entire world, including many other Muslim countries.
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The pilots that flew those F-14A models from the Grumman factory to Iran told a helleva story about that delivery.
https://theaviationgeekclub.com/how-iran-saved-grumman-and-the-f-14-program-and-the-story-of-the-training-of-the-first-tomcat-pilots-of-the-imperial-iranian-air-force/amp/
Well the last of the ones held by the regime, 20 minutes from my house there’s a museum holding two of them.
Personally, this is a mercy kill. If I was an airplane being mistreated for like 40 years in the service of a regime like the one in Tehran, I probably wouldn’t want to fly anymore, either.
https://preview.redd.it/i65x3v4oxtng1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d9ce7716f5616f76e1ba77a64ab235f9bb07e04
I’m going to pour one out for the Tom Cats
Almost as if the war mongering arseholes in Washington and Israel are trying to get rid of their old stock to create demand for new ones from the military industrial complex... 🤔🤔
Yeah yeah fine it’s unfortunate, but I hate these posts.
A plane is just a plane, there will be replicas or real frames in museums, and planes can be rebuilt.
It should never be the important factor, the only thing that matters here is that thousands of lives are lost and hundreds of thousands or even millions of lives are impacted.
In the grand scheme of it, who gives a shit about the planes, there are real human lives that are not replaceable at stake
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