I made a map / family tree of all the popular distros. I learned alot doing it!
Posted by codywohlers@reddit | linux | View on Reddit | 341 comments
Posted by codywohlers@reddit | linux | View on Reddit | 341 comments
ElectricalDinner4770@reddit
Bazzite is available as Desktop or Gaming Console. Their website allows you to choose either to download. I run the Bazzite desktop with KDE. They offer KDE and GNOME versions for their desktop.
Kodamacile@reddit
It's functionally the same, and you can easily flip from one to the other, with a simple "rpm-ostree rebase" command.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
True. And CachyOS, Nobara, and PikaOS also have Handheld Gaming Console editions. I think I'll just merge the categories into one "Gaming" category.
ElectricalDinner4770@reddit
Sounds good
seiha011@reddit
Wow, this is a really out-of-control issue. If people would just concentrate their efforts on fewer distributions, who knows where Linux or GNU/Linux would be then.
Oktokolo@reddit
Yeah. Obviously, everyone should just use Gentoo.
Apprehensive_Milk520@reddit
My hardware is waaaaay too old to compile anything from source - would be dead and buried long before anything finished compiling, lol. Did really like Gentoo, though...
Oktokolo@reddit
Configure portage to give you precompiled packages whenever your use flags match and use a default profile with default use flags. Then only the uncommon packages need to compile on your machine.
JSinisin@reddit
I debate this in my head all the time.
It's the double edged sword. The openness of Linux is so core to the beliefs. The building of "your" operating system experience and wanting to share it with others leads to massive fragmentation. It's inescapable. But also it's biggest strength. The drive to learn, to build something new on top of the building blocks that exist is precisely what keeps Linux alive in the PC market, over 100% of all computers being Windows/Mac.
You can't force everyone to only use either Redhat/Debian/Arch and not build flavours, and still be what Linux is.
The amount of different OSes built on the Linux kernel is both insanely fragmented, and yet beautiful in it's growth and reach.
seiha011@reddit
Yes, that's strange. How many distributions are there? Would 10 be enough, or 20? At least the number of desktop environments has stabilized somewhat. Gnome, KDE, XFCE, LXQT, Cinnamon... But hey, that way there's something for everyone ;-)
unsure_with_username@reddit
I'm missing PeanutLinux, formerly aLinux.
Brorim@reddit
You forgot linux mint debian edition
SMB99thx@reddit
I love Linux, but I have to do it all on a VM.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
linux needs less system resources than windows. It is often a good choice for older laptops.
SMB99thx@reddit
Oh, I forgot to mention that my laptop is a 2020 Asus TUF. The issue is, I'm afraid the driver support.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
SVG version has each logo linked to its distrowatch page (or wikipedia).
These are all the distros I know, plus a few I didn't but I keep hearing about. Also included the important historical ones and the top 25 from distrowatch.
Some Notes:
- I have the categories as the most common use. Some were hard to choose.
- *Beginner Desktop* category is according to DistroWatch.
- `Debian` is also commonly used as a *Desktop*.
- `Ubuntu` and several other **Desktop distros** are also commonly used as *Servers* and other types.
- `Bazzite` is also commonly used for *Desktop Gaming*.
- `CachyOS`, `Nobara`, and `PikaOS` also have *Handheld Gaming Console* editions.
- `CachyOS` kernel optimizations are inspired by `Clear Linux`.
- `SteamOS` used to be based on `Debian` (not shown, adding that line breaks everything)
- `CentOS` is upstream of `RHEL` and is called `CentOS Stream`.
- `QubesOS` comes with `Fedora` or `Debian` based containers but runs a `Fedora` based hypervisor host.
- `ChromiumOS` is based on `Gentoo` but can install a `Debian` subsystem.
- `PostmarketOS` still uses some `Android` kernel drivers.
- `KDE Linux` is the spiritual successor of `KDE Neon` but is based on `Arch`.
setibeings@reddit
I think you should have CentOS and CentoOS stream listed separately. CentOS it used to be downstream from RHEL, even if it was only ever behind by a few days.
pavel_pe@reddit
I guess it's ok, but CentOS is dead afaik and replaced by alma/rocky. But I wonder where centos stream sits compared to Fedora which are sort of upstream rhel. But Fedora is basically rolling distro with only development tools on desktops pinned during release cycle.
gordonmessmer@reddit
The CentOS project is very much alive. In the past it was not critical to the RHEL workflow, and now it is, so it's much better supported than it used to be. In the past, only a handful of engineers worked on it, and now effectively all RHEL engineers do.
> I wonder where centos stream sits compared to Fedora
Fedora is a community distribution. CentOS Stream does branch from Fedora, but they are not tightly coupled. A *lot* of development work happens to CentOS Stream after it branches from Fedora in order to build an enterprise-focused system.
In contrast, RHEL branches from CentOS Stream, and it *is* tightly coupled. A RHEL minor release starts out as just a snapshot of CentOS Stream.
> Fedora is basically rolling distro with only development tools on desktops pinned during release cycle
No, Fedora is a stable release model. Only a handful of applications are expected to roll from one upstream release series to another during a Fedora release.
pavel_pe@reddit
I'm not sure where exactly is borderline between rolling and stable distro, but amount of updates Fedora is getting daily/weekly is greater than what I was used to on Manjaro. Sometimes it's applications, sometimes it's Qt, KDE, Plasma, ...
I'm not sure how many people use CentOS stream, but maybe it's not completely bad choice for let's say home server, if my most familiar distro is Fedora and 2nd most familiar is openSuse. Mainly used for light/hobby SW development, running few services in containers.
gordonmessmer@reddit
Hi, I'm a former Google SRE. I've been supporting production services since the mid 1990s.
> I'm not sure where exactly is borderline between rolling and stable distro, but amount of updates Fedora is getting
"Stable" is a term used in software development closely related to the concept of [semantic versioning](https://semver.org/). It desn't describe the volume of updates, it describes the types of updates that an update stream will provide.
A minor-version update stream (like RHEL or SLES) will provide only bugfix and security updates. (Though, technically, RHEL and SLES will include a very small number of feature updates. Red Hat publishes a compatibility guide that outlines specifically which components might get that class of updates in a RHEL minor release.)
A major-version update stream (like CentOS Stream, AlmaLinux, Rocky Linux, Debian, and yes Fedora) will get feature updates during its maintenance window, but they won't generally get updates that break backward compatibility. Debian is obviously much more conservative than Fedora, but they both publish major releases, and they both get feature updates during the major release. As a matter of taxonomy, they are both major-version stable releases.
A rolling release will get bug fixes, feature updates, and compatibility-breaking updates. In SemVer terms, that's patch updates, minor updates, and major updates, all in the same update stream. Generally speaking, rolling release projects don't have versioned releases. So, there's just one release of Arch, or Manjaro. But Fedora, and Debian have major releases (Fedora 43, Debian 12, Rocky Linux 10). And systems like RHEL and SLES have minor releases that are individual releases with overlapping lifecycles, not just milestones in a major release.
> I'm not sure how many people use CentOS stream, .... Mainly used for light/hobby SW development
If I'm a production engineer choosing between CentOS Stream and Rocky Linux, I will choose CentOS Stream without hesitation, because I have control and influence over CentOS Stream. If there is a bug, I can get that bug fixed upstream and I no longer have to maintain the bug fix locally. There are limitations on the amount of influence I have, because Red Hat has contracts with its customers that govern the class of changes that are allowed (closely related to the document I mentioned earlier that outlines the class of updates allowed for any given component). But for Rocky Linux, I have zero control or influence. None. Because it's not a community project at all.
Rocky Linux is not something that a self-supporting site can actually support. It's fine if you're a home or small office user, but it's not something that works in production environments.
pavel_pe@reddit
Thanks, great answer.
Yes, my experience with Fedora is that thinks break with major update - such as I'll get new version of Python in October, week after release, old Python updated, no question asked. In openSuse Tumbleweed, I'll get option to install python-314 package manually, but I might not notice. And that's something that makes me scared to use rolling distros. I don't want to read some distro notes regularly. Some packages might be silently replaced, become obsolete and in long term break dependencies by having pinned old version of libraries (this happened to me with Manjaro in virtual machine on Windows). So I guess Fedora which is close to bleeding edge distro, yet stable is a good option for me (Ubuntu can probably work too).
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
yeah I struggled with that. It probably would be good to capture the history. I think I'll change it to that way in the next version.
TheOneTrueTrench@reddit
CentOS Stream isn't a "new version" of CentOS, it's just named after CentOS.
RedHat bought and murdered CentOS, it's dead, that distro doesn't exist anymore.
Then they created a new distro, and intentionally named it after the one they killed in order to confuse people.
carlwgeorge@reddit
None of that is true.
I'm a former maintainer of both CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream. They were two variants of the same distro. The only reason we had two different names was because the project chose to do two variants of version 8, rather than just switching to the new development model with version 9.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Ok. I was wondering how to show this with one CentOS but that makes more sense. It can show that they are different. I'll update it in the next version.
gordonmessmer@reddit
The person you're replying to is completely wrong, though. CentOS Stream is simply a process improvement over CentOS Linux.
(I am a Fedora maintainer, and I work with CentOS maintainers.)
setibeings@reddit
What kind of history rewrite is this?
IBM hated that home users could get something a lot like rhel without worrying about licensing, and without being encouraged to upgrade to paid licenses. They were pretty up front about it, and even took steps to make a recompiled replacement for centos hard to do.
gordonmessmer@reddit
> IBM hated that home users could get something a lot like rhel
IBM had nothing to do with it. The move to CentOS Stream happened well before IBM acquired Red Hat.
And Red Hat wasn't against it either. If they had been, they could have simply done nothing. CentOS was unsustainable on its own and nearly shut down before Red Hat hired the maintainers. If Red Hat didn't want people to have a free LTS, then why were they making a free LTS for all those years? That idea doesn't make any sense.
CentOS Stream is compatible with RHEL. It's more secure than CentOS Linux was. It's a drop in replacement. It's better in virtually every way, and for virtually every purpose. If Red Hat didn't want to provide users with a free LTS, why would they invest in making CentOS Stream a better system?
> They were pretty up front about it
No.
> even took steps to make a recompiled replacement for centos hard to do.
Also no.
The source code needed to build a distribution is more complete and easier to work with now than it was before.
Anyone who tells you otherwise is not a developer and has no history of actually using the source.
adam77deacon@reddit
That sounded like Obi-Wan's speech to Luke. No less true... from a certain perspective
gordonmessmer@reddit
CentOS Linux was often behind RHEL for months, following a new major release, and typically behind RHEL for 4-6 weeks after a new minor release.
That's one of the reasons it had to be redesigned. Users weren't getting security patches for 2-3 months out of the year, EVERY SINGLE YEAR. The security posture was really quite bad.
PureTryOut@reddit
Uh, not really. Sure, we have downstream kernels, but those don't really work well and if it needs a user-space component is completely useless to us. There is nothing "Android" about such a kernel. We're actively not relying on Android so having a line like that feels a bit disingenuous.
Also if you have a line from Android to Droidian, presumably because of it's usage of libhybris and thus proprietary Android drivers, why don't you have the same for Android to Ubuntu Touch?
Also you forgot AsteroidOS, a Linux-based OS for smartwatches.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Thanks for the feedback! I'll make some tweaks to the Mobile section in the next version. It's probably worth showing what uses Android drivers or kernel and what doesn't.
PureTryOut@reddit
Then still I wouldn't draw a line between postmarketOS and Android, because the only real usable devices do explicitly not use Android kernels. That is kinda the whole point of the project ;)
PM_ME_ROMAN_NUDES@reddit
Mint should also have a Debian arrow, no?
For LMDE
whatstefansees@reddit
Nah, Mint uses the Ubuntu repositories.
xerods@reddit
For the main line version, you are right. Mint also has a version based directly off of Debian.
Repave2348@reddit
LMDE
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
True. Good point.
Enough-Durian1095@reddit
I like Debian and Ubuntu but considering the age verification ordeal, I have to find another distro.
prove_your_point@reddit
Devuan (a Systemd-free fork of Debian) has declared they "will remove age verification" that they inherit from projects they base upon. https://x.com/LundukeJournal/status/2034697759291310115
Hefty-Amoeba5707@reddit
No TempleOS.
Heresy!
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
lol it definitely would fall under Important. But alas it is not Linux-based.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
All PC OS https://i.imgur.com/07cQk5c.png
davidBlinder@reddit
Where is unix, macintosh, windows
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
I made one for all PC OS
https://imgur.com/gallery/personal-computer-operating-systems-KjmrUjl
ThisNamesNotUsed@reddit
That's an amazng list, I've even found my own distro that I've been using. Some of them are however, never heard to me, will have to look into them
Sweet-Efficiency7466@reddit
Who’s old enough to remember when EndeavourOS was called Antergos?
furlongxfortnight@reddit
I'm old enough to have installed used all those "historic" ones as daily drivers.
Sweet-Efficiency7466@reddit
Which one?
furlongxfortnight@reddit
RedHat, SUSE, Slackware, Slax, Mandrake, Mepis...
johncate73@reddit
It's only been about five years.
telmo_trooper@reddit
I mean, it's a spiritual successor, right? Antergos was the first distro where I felt "at home", I moved to regular Arch when it was discontinued.
Gain_Junior@reddit
Nice work!
UnassumingDrifter@reddit
Old timer here. Red Hat was around way before CentOS. Maybe now the way they develop CentOS is or was the upstream but Red Hat clearly the original. It's 30+ years old. In fact I think an argument can be made that most .rpm based distros come from there. Red Hat wasn't always owned by IBM. There was a time (in my mind anyway) they were arguably one of if not the premier distribution in "fit and finish". Long time ago I couldn't tell you how to build a kernel but I remember in 1999 or thereabouts learning from my "Learn Red Hat" book downloading and configuring and compiling and installing new kernels. Them were the days!
deaportcyberpunk@reddit
Where's redstar OS?
Contraccion@reddit
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg
pavel_pe@reddit
There are so many distributions missing ... like Bazitte, Nobara, first Linux I ever used: build on Slackware on Czech technical university with base system on 6 floppies called Monkey Linux, it was possible to install over FAT and run from MSDOS, and I assume it contained optional installer with LaTex. Then it's questionable if it should include some immutable Fedora/openSUSE distros and/or spins
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Good old Slackware! nice. I haven't heard of Money linux. I'm an Ubuntu baby :)
And I do have the gaming distros in the top right. Figuring out how those fit in was what actually caused me to make this. :)
pavel_pe@reddit
Ops, yes, I meant missing in timeline, but I might be blind :) I found Monkey Linux, it was quite hard, it's from 1997. And I remember my friend at elementary school had Linux even in 1995 or before, weird system that took forever to boot and then had xclock and xeyes on green background :) much slower, more demanding and worse looking than windows 3.11. somehow his job is lead dev-ops in a bank today.
gljames24@reddit
I can't seem to find any of Silverblue on there.
flavorizante@reddit
This is the thing on the Internet that makes me feel oldest.
independent_observe@reddit
This is the one for me https://i.imgur.com/MUCpTwM.jpeg
PiDicus_Rex@reddit
Nice, shows how old ONX is, aka where Research In Motion really gets their money from, without the BlackBerry distraction.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Nice. I actually made a oversimplified UNIX one too https://i.imgur.com/EmRsB6m.png
SithLordRising@reddit
I was there Gandalf..
newsflashjackass@reddit
A kick in the teeth to help you find your feet.
Joeythesaint@reddit
My first distro was Slackware and I still have fond memories of using it even into 1998/1999 when I had to rebuild XFree86 to get support for my Voodoo 3 3500.
OTOH, I still have flashbacks of rebuilding XFree86 to get support for my friggin' video card because my distro didn't support it! 😂
I have complicated feelings about Slackware.
NoInterviewsManyApps@reddit
I could have sworn that fedora was the upstream to red hat...
lazyboy76@reddit
This have the power of scalability.
Tux-Lector@reddit
This. And yet, after all these years, many people still don't know that the distro names on this svg are actually clickable links.
Null42x64@reddit
This is one of the wonders of the open source software guess
SheriffBartholomew@reddit
Oh gosh.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
One of the main sources for this. As well as DistroWatch.
Creative-Ad653@reddit
"Ubuntu for Android"? I never heard of that one.
Unlikely-Meringue481@reddit
Great work
gljames24@reddit
You are missing ChimeraOS coming from GamerOS coming from a fork of SteamOS 2.
Inner_Coat1198@reddit
That's pretty freaking cool.
Mysticforest768@reddit
Me not seeing that anime version of arch nyarch
cazzipropri@reddit
WSL Is not a distro and it's compatible with any arbitrary distros.
CognitiveFogMachine@reddit
agreed. WSL is essentially like distrobox, but for Windows.
6SixTy@reddit
Technically Azure Linux is the backend distro for WSLg, providing a Weston compositor that is then sent over RDP to Windows.
Otherwise, yeah, it's compatible with arbitrary distros, but if you can customize the kernel, it makes the process a lot easier.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
True. I just wanted to show that it used Ubuntu.
cazzipropri@reddit
It uses anything you want to put in it.
lineInk@reddit
Well it can use Ubuntu, but does not have to, no?
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
No I think you can use anything. Ubuntu is just the default I think.
mattiasso@reddit
I would exclude it f on the family tree
lineInk@reddit
Indeed it is: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install#change-the-default-linux-distribution-installed
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
There's two versions of Mint now. The normal Ubuntu based one and the backup direct-Debian based one.
cereal7802@reddit
there is aalso fedora available. in the end, WSL is not a distro, it is a framework to deploy a distro into windows virtualization system.
CognitiveFogMachine@reddit
Proxmox is based of Debian
unsure_with_username@reddit
Unter Mobile vermisse ich Maemo, Meego und SailfishOS
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
yeah others mentioned them. I'm going to add them in the next version
Able-Trip-8183@reddit
It looks great, but could you explain why some lines are solid and others are dotted?
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Thanks. The solid ones are more "direct" connections. (like being based on a distro). The dotted lines are mixed, sometimes it means it used to be based on that distro, other times they just share some relationship like kernel patches or spiritual successor.
Aished@reddit
i have a problem with remembering words, so i could never learn how to program well, i briefly learned a little enough to make some small algorithms to try and find prime numbers but i was so bad at it, everyone else was better. But just looking at this chart reflects so many people programming away. And i know everything is verified. And if everything is verfied there is nothing to worry about.
starkm13@reddit
I always receive hate in FB or IRL for this but I think we have too many unnecesary distros and projects. Some of them should consolidate or merge
Coder_Chip44@reddit
Nice! Do note that chrome os is actually based of gentoo!
moopet@reddit
Obligatory https://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html
yellowishAllred@reddit
I used to use arch btw
SUSBANIDO@reddit
Hannah Montana Linux, TempleOS, AmongOS, Ubuntu Furry Remix, Nyarch, RedStar, Justin Bieber Linux, UwUntu, Moebuntu, Suicide Linux... your family tree looks like an BUSH AND IT IS INCOPLETE
/s
t0mm4n@reddit
TempleOS isn't Linux
lazyboy76@reddit
TempleOS is independent though.
AgarwaenCran@reddit
and nyarch
(which i may or may not using writing this comment <,<)
brbphone@reddit
What about maemo/meego?
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Yeah I'm gonna add those on the next version.
kryptobolt200528@reddit
Curious as to what you used to make it..
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
I used graphviz. The
dotfile is on github.Impossible_Video_116@reddit
What's the difference between Linux and GNU? I know that Linux is a kernel and GNU is a suite of open source software but here they're shown side by side.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
I put an arrow from Linux -> GNU. It doesn't really mean anything it just lets me separate the distros that use GNU by default from those that use something else, like Busybox.
byercanx@reddit
If you remove systemd from Arch Linux, it becomes Artix Linux.
buttershdude@reddit
Interesting. How is it different from the standard distro map?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg
jachreiks@reddit
first time lookin at that timeline. Strange that SteamOS is coming from Debian and not from Arch, and there is no EndeavourOS, my current distro, so not sure about the info
Bread-Trademark@reddit
The first SteamOS versions were debian based, although the graph doesn't present that well
lazyboy76@reddit
A lot of current distro might need a 3D version, with 2D for direct relations and 3D links for indirect relations.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Another comment said EndeavourOS came from Antergos, which is on there. I think it's a few years old.
And SteamOS did used to come from Debian but now they base it on Arch.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
That was one of my main sources making it. I wanted a simple one to figure out where all these new gaming distros fit in.
SDNick484@reddit
I appreciate both versions, but I like yours more as I find it more legible and current. I definitely see an argument for dividing by packaging system as opposed to typical use, but it is a stylistic choice.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
yeah I could group by packaging system or also by init system or desktop/wm. Might have to make a few versions...
SDNick484@reddit
I was thinking init as well, but then you have cases like Gentoo or LFS where there isn't really a clear default.
ForgotttenMemory@reddit
Nice work! Congrats, it's very interesting to check the roots so easily
syassr@reddit
Mind blowing
real-ricky-dev@reddit
Do religions next
17THE_Specialist76@reddit
I thought Debian came from Ubuntu?
larsonthekidrs@reddit
The inaccuracy here is astonishing
Oktokolo@reddit
I play on Gentoo; it's a perfectly fine desktop distro.
dorfsmay@reddit
I feel the "Linux vs GNU" split would be better illustrated with Linux completely on the left hand side of the image (all those OS/distros are running the Linux kernel), and there would then be a split between
GNU glibcvsmusl(and possiblyuClibcandBionic), and a further grouping withGNU utilsvsBusyBox.snail1132@reddit
How would you represent distros like LFS and Void that support both glibc and musl?
Content_Chemistry_44@reddit
Linux vs GNU. You never can compare an operating system vs a kernel.
C lib from FSF or third party, it's only a small component. For example, ChromeOS, Android, Busybox are not GNU, but those operating systems use the same kernel (Linux).
dorfsmay@reddit
Right. I'm not clear, Is there something in my post you disagree with?
Content_Chemistry_44@reddit
The lines from GNU and from Linux aren't clear. Because most of the distributions are GNU with Linux kernel.
Raspberri Pi stuff isn't GNU? (not sure)
Gentoo is GNU/Linux, and all ChromeOS stuff isn't GNU. It's like Android, which isn't GNU.
Just...most of the operating systems are GNU, with Linux. So, those are gnu and penguin.
And where is Hurd? I know, it's not for mainstream use, but it is in development and maintainment.
(And other kernels).
We know, that all those operating systems are 100% Frankenstein.
dorfsmay@reddit
Please re-read my post, I am not trying to label any distro "GNU" or "not GNU", I propose to split distros based on
libcand userland (utils).Frankenstein is the beauty of one of the thing you can do with open source and Linux in particular, and it's beautiful!
If you prefer a "single malt" OS, you should probably look at the BSD OSes. If you want "pure GNU", check Stallman's OS choice of the day (Trisquel, gNewSense, etc...).
580083351@reddit
I agree this would be an interesting way to split them up.
A list of musl distros is here for example https://wiki.musl-libc.org/projects-using-musl.html
ClaudioMoravit0@reddit
Where are stuff like gNewSense/hyperbolaLL/dragora?
lassiness@reddit
isnt arch based on debian and kali based on arch ( i know absolutely nothing about the linux family pls explain to me )
Leading_Pay4635@reddit
What does the desktop category imply?
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
for the most part, the most common use. But a lot of distros don't fit nicely into one category.
Leading_Pay4635@reddit
Ah okay like personal use basically. I was interpreting it as desktop environment and I was confused lol
Excel73_@reddit
Isn't ChromeOS and by extension ChromiumOS Gentoo based?
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
I do show that. Another comment said the arrow from GNU to Debian was missing for them. Weird because it's a static png file.
Excel73_@reddit
Oh sorry, I didn't notice the line.
FearlessLie8882@reddit
QubesOS shouldn’t be there.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
I'm not too familiar with Qubes. Do you mean it shouldn't be in the Security category, the Desktop category, or shouldn't be considered a distro at all?
FearlessLie8882@reddit
I mean it’s not Linux distribution so it shouldn’t be there. It clearly belongs on the desktop/security theme but it’s something different than any other OS here. It’s more of a Xen/hypervisor/new-type-of-OS than anything else. Maybe a footnote or a different dashed line?
tweb2@reddit
This is great, thanks for building and sharing it. I would definitely see it as a continuing working visual that could never be complete. There's always going to be some flavor that comes out of the woodwork. Something that stood out to me was the absence of a box for video/audio/media where there are quite a few other titles. I've looked at some spin-offs from existing ones you show though. (Ubuntu studio, legacy KXstudio distro [not the repo] , AV Linux). I guess the support for the latter 2 not being current may make them out of scope?)
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Thanks. Yeah maybe I'll add an AV category.
Large_Diver2688@reddit
Doesn’t Ubuntu have a server OS as well?
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Yeah I put it in Desktop and I put Debian in Server. They both could go in both but I chose the "most common" I guess.
Vitamon@reddit
Macos?
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Not Linux based. But I did make a UNIX tree with it.
https://i.imgur.com/EmRsB6m.png
Electronic-Unit2808@reddit
Where is Ubuntu server man? Don't forget the great Ubuntu...🤩🤩
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Yeah I put it in Desktop and I put Debian in Server. They both could go in both but I chose the "most common" I guess.
justDankoCL@reddit
Where is Ubuntu Studio?
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
I did consider adding it. Had to limit it for space.
ALPAGUN10@reddit
Where Pardus ?
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
haven't heard of that one. I see it's Debian based.
Best-Choice-5935@reddit
Where is SHEFOS?
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
haven't heard of that one. I see it's Manjaro based.
kiminemism@reddit
Omarchy?
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
on the right under manjaro.
Upstairs-Comb1631@reddit
I think Winux's time will come when the next updates to Windows 10 machines are completed in the fall. And if they rebase on KDE6 (Ubuntu 26.04).
-ErikaKA@reddit
Android? What?
Rage1337@reddit
Shouldn‘t the arrow go from RHEL to Fedora, instead of historical RHL? Great work!
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Thanks! I'm going to separate
CentOSandCentOS Streamin the next version based on some other comments.rochacbruno@reddit
Knoppix (this was revolutionary) Turbo Linux Kurumin Conectiva
HyperSnufkin@reddit
Neat list. Personally I'd include GNU Guix as well, I mean, - you already included NixOS, so why not Guix as well?
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
youre the third one to mention Guix. I think I'll add it in the next version.
AverageComet250@reddit
Artix derives directly from Arch not through Manjaro.
Very cool project though:)
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Yeah there is an arrow from Arch -> Artix. I made another dashed arrow from Manjaro -> Artix because on distrowatch
but maybe the manjaro detail is not worth including...
Dazzling-Giraffe-927@reddit
Wow, no sabía que Ubuntu se basaba en debían, buen dato jejeje
Ez_eldeen_ali@reddit
احا يعم
golDANFeeD@reddit
IMHO, the most confusing map i've ever seen
imzieris@reddit
Suse came from Slackware!
badi95@reddit
Also unraid is based on slackware I believe
rainformpurple@reddit
That's correct.
fantomas_666@reddit
Yeah? I thought from redhat, since it's RPM-based.
pm_a_cup_of_tea@reddit
Absolutely, originally it was based on Slackware but then adopted rpm
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
I thought so too and I had it come directly from Slackware in early versions but I couldn't find a reference other than they used to translate and distribute it before they made their own. I think I'll put it back to coming from Suse.
GlobalCurry@reddit
No crunchbang?
ItsMeHappyBaskaran@reddit
Looks fantastic. Mother of many OS
Former-Mushroom-4854@reddit
You're missing Hannah Montana linux, unforgivable.
SheriffBartholomew@reddit
And Temple OS!
C_hotpocketer@reddit
Terry hated linux…
Pilotgeek45@reddit
Not Linux.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
You're right. That would fall under Important distros!
Ezmiller_2@reddit
How dare you 😡 Hannah put everything nice into that distro! 🤣
tech_auto@reddit
There it is
jedberg@reddit
I knew Ubuntu was prolific, I didn't realize it was that prolific.
Cralex-Kokiri@reddit
I am pleased to see so many obscure distros that I recognize on here.
thearctican@reddit
Um.
I'm curious about the 'logic' you used to organize this.
Somebody already linked the family tree.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Good question. I mainly wanted to see what each distro is based on, and how these new gaming distros fit into everything. And limit it to the common distros. The categories were an after thought, they are pretty "loose" and just represent the most common use of the distro. I just wanted a simple chart with logos for easy visual reference.
thearctican@reddit
The family tree is a better representation of how far from Linux some of these distros are.
solve-for-x@reddit
I'm surprised Slackware isn't showing as having more descendants. I remember using it back in the days when it came on floppy discs, and it certainly felt like it was the granddaddy of a lot of the distributions that followed.
pm_a_cup_of_tea@reddit
Zenwalk Absolute Porteus Salix
Of the top of my head
furlongxfortnight@reddit
Slax is there, with no mention of it being born from Slackware.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Slax does have an arrow coming from Slackware. Another comment said the arrow from GNU to Debian was missing for them. Weird because it's a static png file.
cputime@reddit
Unraid is based on Slackware
SDNick484@reddit
Zipslack was my first taste of Linux. And now I feel old.
whycyber@reddit
Wow, that's nice! I've been using Linux (mint, Debian, mxlinux) for years. I want that as a poster wall. 😄
Suomi422@reddit
I can't see Hannah Montana distro. Are you sure you covered all popular?
Sataniel98@reddit
MX Linux is not an antix derivative. They just share tools and cooperate.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Ah ok. DistroWatch says
I'll update it in the next version.
furlongxfortnight@reddit
Yes, and I think Mepis deserves a place too, it used to be a popular distro.
BushesNonBakedBeans@reddit
The flashback / nostalgia of Cyanogenmod hit me harder than a bus
johncate73@reddit
PCLinuxOS is a fork of Mandrake.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
So it is. Distrowatch didn't mention it but Wikipedia says
Thanks I'll update it in the next version.
johncate73@reddit
The founder of PCLOS, Bill "Texstar" Reynolds, was a packager for Mandrake who created custom packages that made the distro easier to use. But he had a falling-out with the devs in 2003 and did PCLinuxOS as a soft fork that October.
In 2009, when Mandriva started having issues, PCLOS did a hard fork and has been fully independent ever since. But it is still based on that codebase. It's actually closer to its Mandrake/Mandriva roots than the other successor distros. And still run by Texstar.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Oh OK. I'm going to update it in the next version. Thanks!
Liarus_@reddit
isn't redhat downstream of fedora ? rather than the opposite shown here ?
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
I think it used to be. But now Fedora is independent and feeds CentOS Stream which feeds Enterprise Red Hat.
DistroWatch:
Wikipedia:
gordonmessmer@reddit
The comment you're replying to is correct. RHEL is downstream of Fedora.
Today, CentOS Stream is a branch of some parts of Fedora (plus a lot of development work to create an enterprise-focused package collection), and RHEL minor releases are a branch of CentOS Stream.
In the past RHEL was branched from Fedora, and CentOS Linux was a copy of a portion (but not all!) of RHEL minor releases.
One of the other things that you might choose to show is that Amazon Linux 2 was based on CentOS Linux, but the current version, Amazon Linux 2023 is based on Fedora.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Ok. Cool. Thanks!
Beginning_Falcon_603@reddit
Mandrake + Conectiva = Mandriva
Old_Appointment9732@reddit
Mandriva has to be one of the most unfortunate names in distro history. It either inspires a gay dating site, or maybe "Ask your Doctor if Mandriva might be right for you!"
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Yeah I was debating whether to stuff Conectiva in there or not. Probably should in the next version.
DamonsLinux@reddit
Also. Mageia and Rosa Linux = fork of Mandriva. While OpenMandriva is not a fork. It is direct continue of Mandriva. Your image wrongly show it as fork of Rosa and this is not true.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Hmm that makes sense. Wikipedia page says
DamonsLinux@reddit
Worth to read: https://wiki.openmandriva.org/en/policies/oma-tm-licence-en
tikkunim@reddit
I needed this chart
CyberJunkieBrain@reddit
Hey, check this out:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg
tikkunim@reddit
Necesitaba este gráfico
Worldly-Excuse2416@reddit
For the next version, i would add GNU Guix and Fedora Silverblue
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
ok I'll look into them.
roverfromxp@reddit
alpine came ftom gentoo and arch from lfs
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Thanks. I'll update it in the next version.
grimacefry@reddit
This is so wildly inaccurate. It should look more like a family tree, and almost every distro descends from either Debian, RedHat/Fedora, or Slackware.
Debian is used on the desktop, it's not just for servers
alb5357@reddit
Chromebook is Gentoo based?!?!
not_from_this_world@reddit
Your choice of categories make no sense.
SheriffBartholomew@reddit
I like how the line for Arch goes all the way up and over server and retail versions. I didn't realize that there are so many derivatives of Arch!
lelopes@reddit
I think I got more confused than I was befores.
epic_failure3127@reddit
I've been lied to 😭. It wasn't Arch Linux, it was Arch GNU.
PS: this was a sarcastic comment. I don't really mean this.
blankman2g@reddit
I really don't understand why people find selecting a distro confusing or difficult. /s
Shouldn't Vanilla be a branch of Ubuntu, not Debian?
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
lol. Well it seems it is Debian now according to distrowatch:
But the summary for their own website in search results says:
I'll have to look into that one. Thanks for pointing it out.
blankman2g@reddit
Clear as mud lol. Cool that you took the time to do this!
yuanjv@reddit
wheres armbian
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
your the second one. I'll add it in the next version. Thanks!
MoonALM13@reddit
Thanks, that looks so much more user friendly than the Distro timeline. That thing is the only bloated thing in the Linux realm.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Yeah I'm glad the big timeline is svg so I can at least search it.
MattyGWS@reddit
Isn’t Fedora meant to be the daddy of redhat rather than the other way round?
blankman2g@reddit
I think that part of the map is a little confusing. Redhat came first (shown as history) but today's RHEL is downstream from Fedora.
armitage_shank@reddit
I think historically no, but these days fedora is like the test bed for red hat, iirc, so it is, kind-of. Or more like a sister project, IDK.
Stellanora64@reddit
Fedora Rawhide would be more closer imo, as regular fedora still goes through community testing and the community is often the one's submitting patches as well on https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/
armitage_shank@reddit
I guess the question really is more about the Fedora - Red Hat relationship rather than rawhide specifically.
From the old red hat wiki:
"Fedora is a free distribution and community project and upstream for Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Fedora is a general purpose system that gives Red Hat and the rest of its contributor community the chance to innovate rapidly with new technologies. Red Hat Enterprise Linux is a commercial enterprise operating system and has its own set of test phases including alpha and beta releaes [sic] which are separate and distinct from Fedora development."
https://web.archive.org/web/20100619025957/http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RHEL#What.27s_the_difference_between_Fedora_and_Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux.3F
Stellanora64@reddit
I have not seen that before, neat
cazzipropri@reddit
Nope
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
according to DistroWatch
Ezmiller_2@reddit
Centos and Fedora came from RH.
CardOk755@reddit
Bizarre to think Debian is just a server OS.
m1cr05t4t3@reddit
So basically everyone uses GNU but calls it Linux? Say her name!
(I know I know it's GNU/Linux.. yin/yang yada/yada)
schnaps01@reddit
Where is sailfish OS?
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
and I'll add MeeGo
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Oh I didn't know about that. (or forgot about it lol). Nice. I want to add more mobile and embedded "distros". I will add Sailfish in the next version. Thanks!
LessMaintenance1452@reddit
Glad to see CachyOS on it!
Linux4ever_Leo@reddit
Evidently you didn't learn that 'alot' is not a word. It's 'a lot'.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Making sure you know I'm not an AI :)
Linux4ever_Leo@reddit
LOL! This is one of my pet peeves. Sorry!
00pirateforever@reddit
Interesting
LousyMeatStew@reddit
Great work! Minor nitpick, what you label "Android" should be AOSP. Android (and also FireOS) would then be downstream from AOSP.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Yeah I was pondering if I should split Android and AOSP. I didn't know about FireOS (or forgot about it). I'll add it and maybe show asop too in the next version. Thanks!
LousyMeatStew@reddit
Yeah, let's make sure not to give Google too much credit!
demunted@reddit
Deviants shoulders are a mile wide. The heavy lifting that distro does is amazing. Then there Ubuntu standing on its shoulders holding the moon.
lovetogeek@reddit
I'm curious as to why you put arch linux as desktop and gentoo as specific? Specific to what?
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
I think most people use Arch as a desktop. I haven't heard of many Arch servers but I could be wrong.
The
Specificcategory was kind of a "it doesn't fit anywhere else", or "it fits everywhere else" lol. Gentoo, NixOS, and Linux from Scratch seems like you choose its role when you install it. (I mean that's kinda true for every advanced distro). So I guess it's for a "specific" use. I'm open to suggestions to change it.lovetogeek@reddit
Oh yeah nice bro I was kinda just curious as to your take on it.
Lots of nagging in your comments as if it's an official statement from the linux ceo /s
I think it's okay you don't need to change it I assume this post was mainly for personal educational reasons anyway
FlukyS@reddit
I'd probably group RHEL, Alma...etc into just Enterprise Linux, they are separate like you mentioned but they are all copying the RHEL's lead (along with Oracle Linux which you didn't include)
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Good idea. And yes I maybe should have Oracle on there.
CreativeGPX@reddit
I feel like it'd be nice to see a time lapse version of this. It's hard to look at everything at once in such a big graphic.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
that would be cool.
ElectricalDinner4770@reddit
Nice work on that! Thank you for doing that. Very educational! Is there a Github page or site for updates or will you just post them here?
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
I'll post here when I update it but i did put it on github. The SVG version has a hyperlink to each distro's DistroWatch page (or wikipedia).
ElectricalDinner4770@reddit
Cool. Thanks!
ElementII5@reddit
Hey, maybe add Armbian under embedded. It is a great community effort and basically makes everything that is not a raspberry pi usable.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Oh I haven't of Armbian. Yeah I want to add to the embedded and mobile categories. Thanks!
Creepy_Lunch9345@reddit
This is the best thing i ever seen and very understandable
QuajerazPrime@reddit
This is why nobody wants to use Linux.
Coaxalis@reddit
Fedora is missing Ultramarine
External_Tangelo@reddit
ultramarine always gets overlooked!
marciogonsil@reddit
Wow! Good work, OP
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Thanks!
YamiGhor@reddit
Yo can add an new arrow from debian yo linux mint thanks to Linux Mint Debian Edition.
UnfilteredCatharsis@reddit
The most surprising thing about this to me is that ChromiumOS is based on Gentoo.
SDNick484@reddit
I have been using Gentoo for two decades and didn't know that either! I knew Alpine had some Gentoo connection at one point, but it wouldn't be considered a derivative these days.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
I know that was neat to learn.
wrd83@reddit
Meet your predecessor
https://wpollock.com/Unix/UnixHistoryChart.htm
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Nice. I actually made a UNIX one too but not as detailed.
https://i.imgur.com/EmRsB6m.png
Escalope-Nixiews@reddit
In mobile i don't see /e/OS
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Oh I haven't heard of that one. It seems to be a fork of Lineage. Yeah I'll add it in the next version. Thanks!
kopsis@reddit
There's nothing specifically "server" about RHEL, SUSE, Alma, Rocky, or Debian. All are perfectly capable as "desktop" installs.
SavedByHisGraceOnly@reddit
Thanks for the effort you've put into making this.
Legitimate-Yard5857@reddit
I thought Pop!_OS was based on Fedora.
Global_Network3902@reddit
Yggdrasil?
Clairvoidance@reddit
didnt know there were popular distros without the GNU, or that Android didn't have GNU, neat
.. ChromiumOS looks like a monstrocity
Gipetto@reddit
Shame that Yellow Dog Linux isn’t considered cool any more.
JayTurnr@reddit
Apparently, nothing feeds Debian. It just is.
Suvvri@reddit
Gnu
JayTurnr@reddit
Huh, wasn't showing up on my PC.
not_speshil_k@reddit
Didn't see whonix in there
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Oh that's a neat one. Another privacy focused distro. I might add it in the next version.
gosand@reddit
DSL was originally based on Model-K, a 22 MB stripped-down version of Knoppix, but soon after was based on Knoppix proper, allowing much easier remastering and improvements. The distribution is now based on Debian and antiX.^([5])
NoonDread@reddit
The first Linux distro I used was Yggdrasil Linux. I remember buying the install media at a computer show.
MeRedditGood@reddit
That's not a throwback, that's the throwback!
Zechariah_B_@reddit
The average MyHouse wad graph without directly being MyHouse
JovemSapien@reddit
Is Tiny Core Linux not GNU?
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
I'm not too familiar with it but distrowatch description says it uses BusyBox.
Longjumping_Wolf_761@reddit
I see you Pclinux, q4Os. my pclinux os install started messing up about 3 yrs later, but had just done a fresh reinstall today.
Sixguns1977@reddit
Garuda mentioned!
abbidabbi@reddit
Small correction: Arch is not a strict "Desktop" distro, it's a general purpose distribution that has several different deployment methods apart from the installer ISO:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux
https://archlinux.org/download/
fantomas_666@reddit
Well, Debian is not strictly server OS either. I guess OP tried to get most common usage.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
I had the same problem with a few other distros too. Had to put them somewhere so I chose the "most common use".
fantomas_666@reddit
I miss (dpkg-based) Maemo, its follower (rpm-based) Meego, and their follower Sailfish OS
heavyPacket@reddit
Here I found the updated version of yours: https://imgur.com/a/BgJcWqo
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
😆😆😆
Coaxalis@reddit
Fedora is missing Ultramarine
ashmerit@reddit
Am I blind or is there no Alpine?? :’(
taernsietr@reddit
Time to switch glasses, lower left
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
I put it down in the bottom left in Embedded. It was a tough one to categorize because it has so many uses so I put it near postmarketOS.
crazedizzled@reddit
I've never heard of like 80% of that list.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
It was quite the rabbit hole making this. And i was trying to stick to popular/common ones!
Anxiety_Fit@reddit
Where is VA Linux?
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Good point. I heard about VA in the Revolution OS documentary. I should add it to the Historic section with SUSE and the original Red Hat.
Anxiety_Fit@reddit
Cool. There are a few others I’m thinking are also missing but they would be real time operating systems that were created based off of Linux.
Billi-24@reddit
Don't forget that Linux Mint have also a distro based on Debian
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
True. Someone else pointed this out too. I'll update it in the next version.
NeKon69@reddit
I love how arrow to arch linux goes around the entire map
Tquylaa@reddit
I wonder what it would look like if it was made in mermaid format in markdown 🙄🙄
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
oooh. I'll admit it's not the prettiest, I had to fight with graphviz. Maybe someone can remake it better. I'm going to checkout mermaid format.
PM_ME_YOUR_LORAZEPAM@reddit
No NixOS
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
upper left. I didn't know whether to put it in Server or Desktop but because of the unique way you install it I put in in Special.
PM_ME_YOUR_LORAZEPAM@reddit
Oh damn, sorry I totally missed it
dd3fb353b512fe99f954@reddit
Top left
Chester_Linux@reddit
"CachyOS kernel optimizations are inspired by Clear Linux." Is there anywhere on the CachyOS website that it says this? I found this tidbit very interesting.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Yeah I heard it in a youtube video. I was intriged too. Clear Linux is an awesome project, Intel trying to make the fastest Linux ever. I found
at https://wiki.cachyos.org/features/kernel/
Equivalent-Silver-90@reddit
Where pearos?
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
I just never heard of it before and it's not very high on distro watch. So it didn't make the 100 in the list. I see it's an Arch derivative.
jeebs1973@reddit
*a lot
magogattor@reddit
Nice list, here is a list a little too in-depth on existing distros
List:
Sugar on a Stick, MUMi-LinuX, Asahi Linux, Turkman Linux, Openfiler, Chimera Linux, Serpent OS, Bedrock Linux, SpiralLinux, Ultramarine Linux, Carbon OS, Vanilla OS, BlendOS, Bottlerocket, Talos Linux, Flatcar Container Linux, RancherOS, Photon OS, Refracta, Septor Linux, Kodachi Linux, TENS, CAINE, BackBox, Network Security Toolkit, Pentoo, ArchStrike, Wifislax, SELKS, ClearOS, OpenMediaVault, TUXEDO OS, BigLinux, MakuluLinux, ExTiX, Regata OS, Nitrux, Neptune, Freespire, Linspire, OpenMandriva, ROSA Linux, ALT Linux, Astra Linux, EuroLinux, Springdale Linux, Scientific Linux, Redcore Linux, Calculate Linux, Funtoo, Gentoo Hardened, Sabayon (forked), GeckoLinux, ArcoLinux, Archcraft, CachyOS, Mabox Linux, Bluestar Linux, ArchBang, BlackArch, Parabola GNU/Linux-libre,Hyperbola, bazzite,deppin Linux,q4os.
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Ubuntu MATE, Ubuntu Studio, Ubuntu Budgie, Ubuntu Unity, Ubuntu Kylin, Linux Mint, Zorin OS, Pop!_OS, Elementary OS, Debian, Devuan, MX Linux, antiX, SparkyLinux, Trisquel, PureOS, Q4OS, Tails, Whonix, Kali Linux, Parrot OS, Fedora Workstation, Fedora Server, Fedora Silverblue, Fedora Kinoite, Fedora Sericea, Fedora Onyx, Fedora IoT, Fedora CoreOS, Fedora Rawhide, CentOS Stream, AlmaLinux, Rocky Linux, Oracle Linux, Red Hat Enterprise Linux, openSUSE Leap, openSUSE Tumbleweed, Manjaro, EndeavourOS, Garuda Linux, Artix Linux, Gentoo, Void Linux, NixOS, Slackware, Solus, Clear Linux, Puppy Linux, Tiny Core Linux, Slax, EasyOS, Porteus, Absolute Linux, Linux Lite, Peppermint OS, Bodhi Linux, Qubes OS, SteamOS, Lakka, Batocera Linux, Raspberry Pi OS, DietPi, IPFire, OPNsense, pfSense, NethServer, Zentyal, TrueNAS Scale, nobara, Ultramarine, Crux, Zena, berserk arch
JoeB-@reddit
Interesting list, but OPNsense and pfSense are FreeBSD, not Linux.
Equivalent-Silver-90@reddit
WHERE IS GENTOO
FlashOfAction@reddit
Love this! Although with how Linux works the "Historic" sections might need occasional additions. As a contemporary chart it works great.
codywohlers@reddit (OP)
Thanks!
OsgoodSlaughters@reddit
Nobara mentioned 🍻🎉