He is a known rapist. You think he gives a fuck about consent?
He has been a giant piece of shit shit at least 1980s. I grew up seeing him in the news and him just being despicable. The 70% of Americans that are Christian could have kept him out of office if was in violation of their moral code. Just saying. They can elect or oust anyone they want, if they acted like a group with morals.
This orange geezer is the anti-american best gift. He is ruining all the credibility and prestige of his country and it will take years to recover the lost reputation.
Fantastic comment. It was always like this, US was aggressive and a bully. I dunno why most reddit and west europeans are making surprised pikachu faces.
Did you read about Kissinger's meeting with the Italian PM? WH was not happy they were going to work with the communists in government.
The Italian PM was very shaken up by his meeting, according to his wife I think. I think he ended up quitting politics afterwards.
The difference is also that Obama didn't act like a retard and had a decency and dignity about him especially when sending messages in a diplomatic way. Like most politicians he was using a certain language which politicians and diplomats usually respect even if they don't agree with the message itself.
There is little to nothing to respect about Trump and how he does things. He's a low IQ octogenarian who is probably riddled with mental health issues.
The way he does things and the way he relates to others especially allies makes the same allies dislike him even if they may agree with the message.
The issue with Trump is that the way he's been acting about Europe makes European politicians nervous because the erratic way Trump is acting you feel like you could be next since Trump does not know or care about anything or anyone other than himself.
Trump kinda opened my eyes and got me to look back at US history of meddling in other countries affairs and this is 100% true. If they think they can get a profit or further their interests they'll do whatever they want be it to allies or enemies, they're really no better than other regimes except they play the part of a democratic nation. They always had an isolationist undercurrent, I wish they'd just stick to it for once and leave everyone else the fuck alone.
Hahahah ok buddy he is the dumb one :
Inflation at 2.9%, unemployment at 4%, GDP growth at 3%, record revenue from tariffs, two dictators toppled without boots on the ground… at a time when every single country is seeing GDP stagnation and rising unemployment.
Yes yes he is the dumb one and your leaders are smart.
He says and does what he wants because he doesn’t give a flying fuck. He is right, if he uses the Spanish bases what is Spain going to do? Really what the fuck are they going to do? He is not sugarcoating it but he is not wrong
If facts make you lose respect- the problem is you.
If you create an opinion for a whole group of people based on the behavior of one person - the problem is you
If you are delusional enough to believe that anyone is seeking your validation- the problem is you.
Your opinions and respect are not that important , especially when I am flying my flag and you are hiding behind nothing.
They're all dogs of the same owner - he said what is true. If the Star of David state says it, it will be so.
EU bureaucrats will just send a diplomatic note of protest, just like they always do, or wait until Monday to do it, if it's the weekend.
-EU leader is the only world leader who tried to stop Trumps unjust attack. Everybody else just stood by, even China, Russia, India.
This guy: "Yeah, EU leaders are spineless."
Do you blame "EU bureaucrats" for evetlrything in your life?
So, the EU is at fault for what Americans are doing? Are we also at fault for the Sudanese masacres? How about what happened in Ethiopia, is the EU at fault for that too?
Supplying weapons to israel is one way. Not arresting yahoo, maintaining trade deals and any relationships with Israel, even selling land to israeli settlers
Selling land to Israelis that want to escape war is evil?
The EU is a giant organization with many moving parts. Is it perfectly moral? No, and we should work to make it better. Is it weak? Also no.
Compared to other Global powers of the past and the present, I think we are doing quite good.
A resigned "we suck" attitude destroys any hope we have to be better, and we have frameworks for change.
Yup, we have been brainwashed to hate ourselves and our institutions that work a lot more for us than american institutions work for their average citizen.
What he's saying is that all of them are connected, and none of them have real power - it's the Star of David state that has it, through their intel on all politicians and bureaucrats worthy of that are of some value for them.
I don't get it how you people cannot connect the dots? This is all bread and circuses.
And I dont get why you cannot view people, states, institutions as connected yet seperate entities. Why you need to view everything in poles and as gestalt concienceness.
Pedro Sanchez who is the only guy who threw out american military when this shit started is not the same as Orban who roots for Palestinian genocide, yet both of them are EU leaders and in NATO.
Because we view an organization based on the majority stance/opinion as those are what drives action which is what always matters the most.
When something this big is discussed, getting into the "they're not all bad" minutiae is completely pointless and adds nothing to the subject other than some nice emotions knowing not everyone is "bad".
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And I dont get why you cannot view people, states, institutions as connected yet seperate entities.
no one is denying that - I am actually agreeing with you. I can totally make a change in my local town's jurisdiction, but that's where it ends.
>Why you need to view everything in poles and as gestalt concienceness.
Because politicians are in power, and power corrupts. I cannot hold up the ''there's always gonna be bad apples in the basket in everything'' moral judgement for this topic because there should be no space for those kinds of bad apples FROM THE START.
If it's 80% bad, and only 20% good in this topic that dictates the life and death of all people on this world? I'm rounding it up to 100% bad.
Honestly , he is giving EU bureaucrats too much credit . Most of them were in support of it hahaha , because they are scared shitless if their actions would lead to a loss of US support on issues important to them. They are also hypocritical .
When it comes to Spain "Tried to stop" is going too far. Spain does not have the ability to stop the war in the ME or stop US . The only difference between them and other states that have condemned the attack is that they are part of NATO and EU which complicates things for them. Especially the NATO part . But plenty of countries outside of EU/NATO condemned the attack. They are not using India's airspace for flyovers so India doesnt have the need to go out and say "you cant use our bases for this attack" or "your cant use our airspace" they can just condemn it on the basis of international law. They are not going to go to war against US over Iran and neither would Spain. If you look at Balkan US jet flyovers you can clearly see which countries US jets are avoiding . And for example if Bulgaria and Greece denied flyovers as well it would complicate things for US Airforce , especially Turkey . Same thing for various ME countries.
Other EU puppets did stand by for the most part . Denmark enthusiastically supported it . A fact I find beyond hilarious and it might come back to bite them in the ass once more. I feel like I am going to have some fun quoting Dannish officials and swaping 2 words from their statements.
The EU leaders threatened to discuss sending a strongly worded letter but couldn't do it on Saturday because it would disturb their lunch and afternoon nap.
And how exactly does an already corrupt EU leader ''stop'' Trump?
Both of them (and a lot more people - the so called ''bureaucrats'' and politicans) are two eggs in the same corrupt, sick, p\*dophilic basket, nothing we do except a full scale riot and a g\*illotine will stop them.
The orange pawian must have at least some support in his inner most circle of associates or a good portion of his party. Otherwise the Congress would act and take action to prevent his foolish nonsense.
checks out, since he was found liable for sexual assault no?
I mean even for balkan levels, dude would prolly not make it in the elections no idea how he got the americans to vote him.
''end russia war in 1 day, drop prices, not intervene and send american troops to die in pointless wars, vote democrats and we might have ww3, day 1 i will release epstein files.....'' mfer went 150% balkan on them after he won lmao.
Spanish guy here.
As far as i'm aware.... something similar happened like 40 years ago. Reagan wanted to bomb Libya because of some terrorist attack at a disco in Berlin (with plenty of us officers). Nobody supported it, and basically the majority of the european countries denied their support.
Spain denied the use of the military bases that nato can use
The fun bit. There is an agreement (or a treaty. dont remember) signed like 2 years after that.
Recognising that the bases are sovereign spanish territory. And that neither those bases nor our air space may be used without the spanish government's consent.
Of course. Its just paper... dont think he cares much about it in the end.
But they have been demonstrating for months that they have ceased to be a reliable anything (i refuse to use the word ally)
Dude, just wana say you guys got the best PM in the world! Like literally the only normal person running a country in the entire contitnent of Europe! 🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸
>But they have been demonstrating for months that they have ceased to be a reliable anything
yeah, technically they could just do it, and it is unlikely that Spain will physically prevent them from flying ... the first time.
After that, Spain will kick them out, and the US won't really have much choice since it really defeat the purpose to have an airbase there if the country around is not a safe ally.
Turkey already declined the use of 2 American Bases and 1 NATO base in the country for any attack to Iran. It is funny because he wont talk shit about Erdogan.
Erdogan knows how to bribe this guy.
He is still salty because our pm "doesnt want" to increase the defense budget up to a 5% of gdp.
But...what he doesnt understand. That kind of thing can only be decided here with a parlamentarian majority. And spanish politics are a mess right now.
The country has been reusing the same budget since 2023 (with some adjustments, of course) because there is not enough majority to get some new ones approved.
Well we have no such issues because we have franco at home.
But, putting aside our low effort jokes, in Turkey it was common practice for a government to fall if they couldnt pass the budget. Pretty much on the same day, it wasnt a law or anything but it was a practice during our coalitions period. Since it would reveal their minority in the parliament and any subsequent vote of confidence would ensure their fall (This happened in 1971 and 1973 if I recall, both governments were army backed technocrat governments that had no base in the parliament, military had pushed the parties to back up and support these 'experts' between 1971 to 1974.
Wouldnt it make sense for the Spanish government to fall if they cant pass a budget, or do they need a super-majority to pass them and they only have basic majority?
He held a parliament majority and full loyalty of his party since basically 2007. Before that there were other voices in the party but they got basically erased by not showing them as candidates in that year's election.
Tbh it is a feature of Turkey's political party system, all parties are basically one man parties with few exceptions. They even usually become history when that party leader dies or abandons politics. Basically the only party where an internal opposition managing to replace party leader is CHP, main opposition party. İyi Party also recently changed its party leader, if the party leader were to go to the next internal leader election, she would lose it so she just didnt run for it. So not exactly the same. CHP had internal democratic mechanisms enough to change its party leader in 1973, one another time in 1990s, and most recently 2 years ago after its party leader lost in the presidential election. Multiple sides of the party wanted him to show the istanbul or Ankara mayors as the presidential candidate instead of himself, both were way more popular than him, alas he used his control on the upper echelons of the party to make himself the candidate and we lost the election.
Now erdogan is actually trying to use the court system this old party leader to the head of the opposition party. It will most likely happen in this year, it will probably cause a party split with intenal opposition abandoning the party. I doubt the party will get 1% of the votes if this happen and most voters will switch to the new party.
PS: I explained all above to fully explain the party leaders and politics in Turkey but the most correct answer is, erdogan also fully destroyed this internal check on the governments. With 2017's constitution amendments where he destroyed almost all checks and balances on the governments, an amendment on the state budgets made sure that if the parliament does not approve the government's budget, prior year's budget simply passes with 0 votes. Because you see, seperation of powers is a zionist ploy or something.
Thanks for the explanation! Could the mayor of Ankara have run? I thought he was imprisoned to stop him. I really really hate what Erdogan has done to Turkey - just a standard issue dictator using the standard issue dictator playbook to destroy democracy.
Istanbul Mayor is the one that got arrested. Though they already tried once to accuse Ankara Mayor with arrestable offences too. They used a businessman who claimed that he bribed Ankara Mayor by handing him a bunch of Money. They immediately leaked this accusation to the press and start banging the war drums. Turned out Ankara Mayor was abroad for an official visit when the businessman said they met together in the city, so it all became their own debacle. Businesman also turned out to be past convict for raping a minor (Cheerful bunch erdogan likes to work with) Anyway they are now trying to come up with something else so they can accuse him for working for Trotsky as a 5th column or something.
This is the life we are dealt with. We might not have a good deck but are going to [play it ](https://youtu.be/X--PXyB1Zw0?t=24)to the end. No regime survives eternally. History continues with its ups and downs. They will also go down one day. We will just make sure something better rises up. I live in Turkey, while I have other options, I will keep doing so. I am not the only one. This will end one day.
I'm so rooting for you! But the way the world is going at the moment, it looks like fascist dictators are on the rise everywhere, unfortunately. We really need to ban tech-broligarch-owned social media, or they'll have us all brainwashed into voting in our own suppressors everywhere.
It is ok, it is a pendulum, you know, every action has its own counter-reaction. World is going through phases every couple decades since the French revolution. Democratization-Anti-Democratization, etc. You can check out Samuel P Huntington's *The Third Wave: Democratization in the Late Twentieth Century.*
It is an absolutely stupid book but in general it touches this pendulum theory. 1910s seeing democratization, rise of nation states and fall of empires, 1930s saw the rise of reactionary fascism, 1950s saw the rise of democracies, 70s military dictatorships, 1990s new democracies. And now we have to watch our own wave.
You are absolutely right about tech-oligarchies, they are directly related with the phase we are in. They are doing their best to consolidate power and harm societies with that power. A reaction to that will rise surely. We havent reached the end of history.
>Wouldnt it make sense for the Spanish government to fall if they cant pass a budget, or do they need a super-majority to pass them and they only have basic majority?
Theorically? Yes. (In fact, they dont even have a basic majority 😂)
But at the same time....most likely the situation wouldnt change much if there were some elections next week. (because as i said, spanish politics are a mess and has been for quite some time)
so...i think its better to work with what you have
That's sad man, I was more aware about political gridlocks in Netherlands and Belgium and more recently in France but I had no idea such a thing was in effect in Spain.
I just hope that political actors can find a more common ground with these serious tests the Europe and now Spain itself is facing.
In Turkey we have seperate dangers, and hopefully our last bits of democracy will survive the Erdogan period. But this war will only strengten his hand in domestic politics. Because even Turkey is going through a rally-to-the-flag effect due to rising potantial of a conflict with israel.
>I just hope that political actors can find a more common ground with these serious tests the Europe and now Spain itself is facing.
Honestly....i doubt it. I'd say none of the current political parties have the bare minimum sense of statemanship and decency.
The thing is....by the end of the day, each and every one of us have our own struggles. We common folk have to get by with whatever we can have. It doesnt sound good, but that is how it is.
May the situation gets better for everyone, eventually. If the world doesnt lose its last bits of common sense before that.
Especially since it appears that the CIA has been arming Iranian Kurds to fight against the government - I bet Erdogan would love to have a strong armed Kurdish force in his back yard...
I don't think it's about Erdogan knowing how to bribe Trump, but rather it's really about principles and Turkey supporting Iran, because it realizes that after Iran they might be next on Israel's list.
Kürecik radar base and Turkish AWACS planes keep tracking entire Middle Eastern air space like there is no tomorrow so I don’t think we really are “neutral” in this case considering the fact that we supply Israel with Azerbaijan fuel and certain types of Turkish ammunitions. No way we are as balled as Spain.
There are no USA bases in Turkiye, what are you talking about? They are all NATO bases.
And if we are talking about Incirlik, there are probably more Turkish soldiers than Americans there, we use that base too.
Obama never would have abducted or killed the leader of a foreign country. Yes, he did drone strikes of dubious legality - but nothing even close to what Trump is doing! He didn't carpet bomb civilians in an attack war!
oh really? he didn't tho and if you think the Libyan civil war (that CIA under obama had their hands in ofc) is the same thing happening right now with Iran, oh boy you are in for a big surprise.
Under Obama the Islamic Republic agreed to put a stop to their nuclear program and let all parties to come in to confirm that they are following the deal. They did that so the US lift the sanctions of them and Israel never forgave Obama for that, the rest
Every American administration, going back 50 years, has been "very pro-Israel" and seeking to destroy Iran. I am shocked that there are people who think this is news.
AND on the issue of Iran obama did the exact opposite of Donald Trump. The Iranian side agreed to put the nuclear program aside with the exchange of sanction lift from the US
They want to go there for a reason right? Just take away that reason, most likely staging and refueling. Easy to fix. No fuel to be imported to the site.
In one year, he managed to set back the US's soft power capabilities by decades. Who knows what he'll do in the remaining majority of his term.
I guess the next couple of administrations will be kept busy rebuilding trust and everything this manchild breaks.
Problem is you don't need soft power when you've got plenty of hard power. We can whine about Trump all we like (for the record, I don't think it's unjustified) - but America is still the world's #1 superpower and the rest of us peasants (especially in Europe) are probably going to have to adapt, seeing as everyone is doing pretty much fuck all to counter America's abuse of power and influence.
Dollar is dollar because of america's soft power as much as its aircraft carriers. I don't mean soft powrr in cultural, hollywood sense, but the perception that -ultimately- usa's perception as an ally and a friendly nation. It is next to impossible to maintain dollars reserve status without both. The days where usa was the dominant market and industrial juggernaught are long gone, like 40 years ago. What maintained its hegemony was that there was a fiction of international order and usa was perceived to be natural, deserving leader of that order. Trump is not only not interested in maintaining the fiction, but actively making it impossible to believe in it.
Which is fine if their hard power was sufficient to bomb, invade and force every country to obey them, but for all their unmatched military might, they are not remotely powerful enough to do that.
Well, I don't want to sound offensive but I can't help it: that USA was not an ally of, nor friendly with Serbs during Yugoslavia's breakup, that it was willing to send its own sons to protect people that were murdered en masse an ocean away, while Europe was just talking, WAS precisely that we thought USA was a deserving hegemon, an ally and a friendly nation.
Yeah, let's ask Laos, the most bombed country in the world, how friendly the US is. Or Iraq. Or any of the other countries the US has bombed. Or the Latin American leaders the US couped.
The US is not considered a friendly nation to anyone outside the US dicksucking circle. If anything i love that the very countries that helped the US terrorize the world are freaking out that they're getting 5% of their own medicine, i really hope it continues!
You are not wrong about Laos. We used to think USA of a friendly ally, because USA was an ally of us. Laos must think otherwise, because, well, it was otherwise.
Iraq is a different beast. You would find Iraqis thankful for US in the north and hating the US in the south, it is not black and white as you make it to be.
I am from Turkey and I can write down a list of USAs sins in this country for hours without taking a break. However our case is too not black and white. USSR was officially, and explicitly asking for control of bosphorus and our north-eastern lands during Stalin era. They switched to arming and sponsoring far left terrorism in the country in the 60ties, increasing street violance well into 1980. So Turkey was for all intents a cold war battleground, which neither side fought clean.
I need to add to this rather obvious fact: we still have our northeast, and control of bosphorus and dardanelles thanks to us being a NATO member. If that is dicksucking for you, I can't imagine what you expect from allies.
Their power is not sufficient to win against Iran at this point, the USA has never gone to war with such a big power, wars are won with boots on the ground and not with bombs, USA is overestimating their capabilities, which also rest upon the NATO network, without NATO bases USA becomes way less powerful.
The only reason people perceive USA as a humongous military power is to save themselves from the bombs. USA cannot possibly invoke 500k troops and commit them somewhere far away from home without a proper network to support them (NATO bases that is).
Most people support the regime, an overwhelming majority actually, it's the way that they support it that changes. Some ask for reform and for more political control to exist in their parliament, others want full-blown democracy but still want the IRGC to play a role in their politics (advisory etc), but suggesting 70% of the population is AGAINST the regime and they have not thrown a revolution is just...well, not how things work.
The adage of "it's a dictatorship that's why" doesn't ring true, that's not how it ever worked, that's the very classic narrative regarding anything that isn't a western liberal democracy. USSR/vietnam/Cuba all those places are "dictatorships" and everyone is "severely oppressed" but they aren't throwing a revolution cause...idk. Meanwhile those same places DID throw a revolution against actual oppression (czar, the french, the americans), so suggesting that those people would not throw a revolution against oppression is just a fascinating mental jump. Those places definitely had and have a lot of restrictions in personal freedoms, but they give something to the people that previously did not exist, mainly stability or at least national agency, things that previously did not exist at any level.
No country survives by being a brutal dictatorship, most of the times they have a very big part of the population supporting them, a minority opposing them, and most people passively supporting the status quo and wanting change but without blood being spilled.
The regime kills thousands of dissidents and the citizens have no method of revolt, that’s why it can stay in power despite being incredibly unpopular.
There are multiple methods of resistance, including withholding taxes, withholding labor etc. If a society is not functioning, people wouldn't be doing those functions in the first place.
A functioning state requires the consent of the people, otherwise it is never stable. The thing is what the "alternative" is to the current iranian regime, people fear if their leaders get deposed they will be situated with another Shah.
If you had to choose between a horrible government vs being a colonial state, what would you choose?
You cede the ground to your adversary when you choose to go purely with hard power. Soft power convinces while hard power subdues. It seems like the last resort of an incapable diplomat.
Yeah, the US has a lot of hard power, but relying solely on that can only get a country so far. Soft power is important. I mean, soft power includes economical reach and trade agreements as well.
The issue for that strategy is that China isn’t actually going to defend you if Washington decides you aren’t tolerable anymore, and the world is becoming more than cognizant of that right now.
China told Venezuela and Iran they were close allies, shared intelligence with them, sold military equipment with them, made economic deals, etc…and then did absolutely nothing when Trump decided to overturn their regimes.
So sure, a country can “ally” with China, but China is not going to help it deter the US from attacks.
The whole world except the US is in some level diplomatic relationship with China. That doesn’t mean they are going out of their way to defend the whole world, or are sharing intelligence with them. It is not because the US lump them together, that they are actually lumped together.
You understand that there is more options than US being an ally or bombing us. We can stop giving them soft power while avoiding escalation of things to hard power used.
\> The thing is, you don't need soft power when you've got plenty of hard power.
Oh, you do. As anything anyone did in the spirit of good will before, needs now to be enforced.
It is also antagonizing those who had been willing to cooperate with them before. Leading them to look elsewhere for support. Forcing the previously stronger part of the relationship to spend more money, effort and, in effect, troops to get that they want. Even the US only has so many Strike Groups.
With China on the horizon, the US very much needs those Strike Groups elsewhere, not forcing countries that had been friends for centuries into submission.
The US is shooting herself in both feet at the same time, but it can still hobble because of crutches that took more than half a century to build up. The question is, will the feet heal in time or do the crutches break first.
The fact we all use the dollar as reserve currency is one of the big successes of the US soft power and a change of the global reserve currency has the potential to hit the US economy extremely hard and with it its hard power. Also the access to resources, favourable trade deals, etc are a result not only of hard power
Honestly despite everyone freaking out about his foreign policy, he's really not doing anything out of the ordinary. US has been like this ever since WW2, Trump is just honest about it and saying the quiet part out loud.
We might not like it but he's obviously right. It's not like Spain will shoot down any US planes that try to approach the base. Spain will let US planes land but will probably give them the bare minimum when on the run awy and wanting to taxi.
Ofc they won't shoot them down, but planes landing could be temporarily seized or delayed, which could put in risk any operations the US may be planning.
I am sorry for what is happening in your country.But i don't get why you are still sucking up to Trump, you must have already realized he is not your ally .For the last year he has cut basically all support for Ukraine.All american weapons comming are payed with EU money,He tried to humiliate your President on live TV.He rolled out the red carpet for Putin for God's sake man.I get that you hate Iran,they help Russia.But this war is just going to kill thousands more innocent people and lead to a new refugee crisis which will again destabilize your only real supporter (the EU).Trump is not doing this for you, he is just Bibi's puppet.
I get the ,, enemy of my enemy " situation. It's just that US negotiating with Iran and sending all those weapons to you instead would have been much better.
Ahah. Ukraine always stands for truth. We are not to be slaves to anyone if you didn’t realize that already. You can’t but Ukraine, or tell us to “Abe grateful”, I will disappoint you
Funny that complaining about Ukraine getting aid is coming from Bulgaria 🤣 A dwarf country that got 40 billion EU aid and actually could use it to improve the country, while all the aid we got, was wasted on a defence from a stupid Putin war
I am not complaining, I am stating the fact that Ukraine gets the overwhelming amount of their funding from Europe and none from the US, yet you seem to be barking against Europe and standing with the US.
If Europe pulls their funding tomorrow, Russia takes over Ukraine, installs a puppet regime, US and Russian corporations sign deals to exploit their resources and it seems like you are too dumb/naive to understand that
Was that how it was in WW2? Ukrainians always stand for the truth? Terrorizing civilians in Eastern Europe as an SS proxy with their death squads and battalions? Rounding them up and sending them to camps that were made in Ukraine?
Do not moralize in absolutes, when not one nation or people can do so, especially not Ukraine, or Russia.
''no daddy, I can suck it better than them, no daddy let me please suck it''
That's how all of you sound. Feeling sorry for all of you simple minded people
I hope God wills you with a better and a broader sense of the historical and current world affairs, and good health even though you are a one dimensional regurgitating bot swallowing the mainstream media narratives.
Where exactly does he criticize Ukraine or glorify Russia? He criticized the close minded people that swallow the mainstream propaganda and cannot critically think for themselves, not Ukrainians specifically
Because that's how you guys literally sound. Cheering for the US or any state as if they have the best intentions for the regular people when all of them are compromised, and stuffing their pockets with money.
TBH I can at least understand Ukrainians trying to drag US in their war ( directly ) by offering to host US airforce in their bases. Might not be the wisest choice for US Airforce but from their(UA) perspective its highly beneficial. Even more so if the war in Iran results in less air defense stocks being supplied to Ukraine. So our Montenegrin friend should have not been as harsh towards a random Ukrainian as he should towards other EU states which are not at war or in imminent danger from any nearby neighbor.
Go shill for your country somewhere else xd
Guy arguing with strangers on Reddit, defending his country like he's on an actual battlefield
Go pick up a weapon and fight
LOL! You can come to our country to pick up your elite driving very expensive cars with Ukranian plates payed by the ukranian tax payers * cough * sorry, i meant their salaries, whenever you feel like it
What elite? You must be joking. Spain is a place where corrupt shithole criminals run away with money stolen from Ukrainians to avoid Ukrainian justice. That’s Spain that hides them from Ukraine
We don't hide them. Why don't you use your justice system and make your judges send international arrest warrants to Europol/Interpol? Oh right? Because your country is as corrupt as the Ukrainians that live in my country. Maybe they are even their friends or families.
No offense, Trump is a retard, but when has USA ever asked any country for permission to do anything? Also what is Spain or any other NATO and non NATO country going to do? They want a base in certain place? They will make it. If the country doesnt allow it, they will break all international laws and even make a new terrorist state just to have their base, AKA Kosovo. Its just that now its all in the open finally. But yea, NATO countries enjoyed and played silent when other countries got bombed, obliterated and politically destroyed. But now when they receive similar treatment, now it is suddenly pikachu surprised face. If you ignore bullies when they visit and bully your neighbors, sooner or later those same bullies will come knocking on your door and then there would be no neighbors left to help you.
Republic of Kosovo has an entirely different context. Throwing this in to justify your argument shows that you remain in the same terrorist communist state Miloslavic puppet era mentality. Get your head off the sand mate and move on - you anyway have a lot of other issues to deal with
What is the other context? It was against all UN rules. It was not even approved by UN. Also whats the difference between Kosovo and Ukraine war? Lets hear that mental gymnastics.
>Also whats the difference between Kosovo and Ukraine war? Lets hear that mental gymnastics.
Well the difference is that Serbia didn't suck NATO dick like Ukraine did, so Ukraine is good and Serbia is bad!
This. The only thing Trump's doing that's so different from any other American president is that he's brutally honest about it. The US were the biggest terrorists ever since WW2.
Just look at what he's been saying about Canada from the beginning. This guy has no clue at all how much other countries have done for the US and has zero gratitude for anything.
Good luck bringing in what you need for a base to live, without cooperation, or at least without obstruction, of the host country.
They don't need to escalate, just to cut it off.
That's sim9ly stupid Trump boasting, just like the annexation of Greenland.
I wonder how well would fare those bases without basic utilities: no power, no water, no plumbing, no fuel supply, no groceries. Also, the personnel risking arrest when they get out of the bases.
- We help them gain independence = They don't even thank us.
- We don't bother them at all = They do a false flag attack on USS Maine in Cuba to start the Spanish - American war.
- They destroy our empire to "Liberate the people" = They create colonies like Puerto Rico where the population are second class Americans.
- After the Spanish Civil War Americans don't want to recognize the Franco regime and make embargos at us.
- After WW2, Americans realize that communism is bad = "Gee... I bet Franco's anti-communist regime is not that anymore LMAO. Let's lift the embargo"
- Franco allows the US to have military bases = They don't protect us never and side against us in the Green March of 1975.
- We join NATO in the 80's = They don't support us during the Perejil Island Crisis.
- We are the only nation aside with the British that join George Bush's war in Iraq after 9/11 = They don't give a f*ck.
- We also send troops to Afghanistan to support War on Terror = They don't care.
- We support the US in giving weapons and even Leopard Tanks = Thanks but you don't help enough.
But NOW they say that we are a terrible ally LOL
I guess they can keep relying on Israel "Their greatest ally which they have never sent any troops to Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam..."
Who wants enemies with friends like the US?
You know, I've seen some people trying to justify these wars he started as preparation for a bigger conflict against Russia and China, but then why has he been alienating basically every US ally since he took office?
He is not supposed to use it without spanish consent but if he does it, spain cannot do shit about it, he literally bullies spain. That’s what’s going on
Hes just saying out loud what the US has always done quietly. The difference is usually you pretend to care about sovereignty and treaties so countries keep cooperating with you. Saying you dont need permission is how you end up with no allies willing to help when you actually need something.
Why would he comment? Spain isn’t gonna retaliate against Germany for being silent, whereas Trump absolutely will if Germany says something back.
Additionally…Germany, or at least Merz, is kind of in agreeance with trump over Iran right now, he’s made that very clear. I don’t think Merz is particularly sympathetic towards the Spaniards right now
Why would he comment? Maybe to at least try to deescalate the situation? Staying silent means fully agreeing to anything said. A performative "I'm sure we will figure it out with Spain in a diplomatic way" would atleast signal that he doesn’t want a EU member abused for it’s territory. He could at least act like he cared. What does the U in EU stand for again?
Woah, Trump has been shit talking us Brits because we aren't kissing their arse all day so that's wrong! Fuck trump the fat pedo rat is a feeling very mutual in the UK and Starmer would lose a lot of support should be side with him in this illegal war.
We have joined in a defensive manner to protect our overseas interests, downing drones going for our bases/allied, not bombing Iran.
Why disappointed with the UK? Trump has been shit talking the UK Prime Minister all day because he refused to join in with the war and wouldn't let Trump use UK bases for the attacks. It's one of the rare moments I've actually been proud of our government. I think you should check the news a bit more, the UK and US have always been best friends...but we're not anymore and Trump found that out this week.
To be fair, not responding to that comment live shows that he's professional. Trump is the only dickhead that blows up on live TV to argue with world leaders like he did with Zalensky.
Professional my ass. Trump smells weakness disguised as professionalism. Probably ate Merz alive after the conference finished. Who knows what this professional gave away.
Not looking like a dickhead troglodyte on live TV? If challenging other politicians on conferences is what you like in a politician then I guess we have different preferences.
It is when reason why this press conference is live sits next to you.
Saying they are cutting all ties with Spain and that the UK is run by fake Churchill while allowing their bombers to attack from their bases is something else.
Who is Germany real ally here?
Challenging happens behind closed doors when they huddle to have private conversations. Not on the press conference. Especially not with Trump who is known to talk for the sake of it.
Nope, it's time for europe to step the fuck up and make ourselves clear.
trump always does this, zelensky challenged him and ended up one of the most embarrassing press conferences for us president in history.
And who are you to judge «third worlders » as you call them ? The vast majority of them work and help us develop the country since we need them, Even in Meloni´s italia they are taking migrants.
Do you think you are better than them just because you are born in romania ? If yes you just justify when westerners treat romanians of thieves etc because they are doing the same generalisation as you.
With statements like these, all of Europe will demand them to pack their shit soon. Israel might have dragged them into a war with Iran (as per Marco Rubio's own statement) but most european countries ARE NOT looking forward to the same.
As we can clearly see, the bases they use in their allied Gulf countries have turned their cities into defenseless targets.
That is just a rhetoric.
Next on the table should be those Flawed Democracies.
They are in fact Dictatorship in disguise.
Was attack justifable: Yes
BTW, it is Spain that is at loss here.
Maybe Franco is still on Power there?
oh, he says he can just use it?
declare war on spain then once they shoot down your planes for infiltrating their airfield, if you have the balls. that'll surely work in your favor, for both domestic and foreign policy. im sure you can demonize spain like you demonized iran, voters and europe will definitely fall for it.
This all keeps adding to the long game. Every single of these little things Trump has been doing, from Greenland to dissing everyone from Europe to Japan, Korea, Canada, and on and on, the ever changing tariffs against everyone, the removing of foreign heads of state, knocking airplanes in int airspace, and on and on....It may seem he is getting away with it, but quietly in the background the US dollar has gone from 60% of reserves dominance to 46% by last month. He may be out of office when this happens, but soon enough the US will find out it's not so easy to maintain a huge military with a worthless currency.
Everything worst about Trump the guy should be locked up for life, quite insane that half of America is so dumb that they vote for a pedophile to be their president
Im not even surprised anymore, he is acting like he is the owner of world and that he can do anything. And remember, trump also never asked for permission while he was on island.
>russian ass licking
Am I living in an alternate reality or did trump not just overthrow two of Russia’s closest allies since the war in Ukraine began?
"Will"? He proved himself to be complete sack of shit, and then they elected him again. It's not just him, it is those 50% of the country, the dumbfuckistan.
A lode of shit is what that is. If he wants the rest of the world to hate America by the end of the decade, he can keep saying this garbage. and if he dose act on what he is saying, America is actually just going to war with the world.
Somehow, despite the average Bulgarian hating Americans more than they do paying taxes, we are still their allies and are currently housing american fighter jets ready to deploy.
Despite the US being nothing but harmful to our economy ever sence the late 2000s, we are still their lap gods, and I funking hate that.
Well it's the politicians' fault for. But in the grand scheme of things alignment with NATO and EU (especially EU) is beneficial in comparison to the alternatives.
Che quando lo dicevano gli italiani venivano tacciati di sovranismo. E invece è così, le basi militari sono su territorio italiano ma sono gestite dagli americani
If Spain concede then they expose the fact NATO relations are more so lord and vassal relations, and if Spain doubles down it shows that Trump can be curbed with enough persistence.
Mango Mussolini isn't wrong.
Your vassal nation agreements with the USA cover civilian employees and dependents, all military service personnel, all weapons systems, all military "contractors" whilst pissing in your country.
The fools are those who are easily intimidated by Trump and from what I observe most countries on the planet are intimidated by the USA because the USA is the USA and there is absolutely no one like the USA, not even other planets in the universe. Planet Earth = USA, there are no other countries, the rest of the countries are the product of the USA. OW! SUA, you majesty! SAVE US TODAY and make the planet great again
He's saying shit because someone said no to him. Obviously USAF doesn't even need to fly through Spain and wont do it because they're not allowed, but he's gonna throw a tantrum anyway.
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