How often do you stop to ‘let people go’ when driving?

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Competitive_Test6697@reddit

Depends. I hate getting a flash to go last second when there is nobody behind the car and it's faster for everyone to just pass me.

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I think the simple rule I follow is "if you don't control the road conditions, then don't try to control the traffic." If I'm in standing traffic then I'll leave a gap - but I'm not beckoning people to cross, pull out etc. If I'm turning into a junction and there's a car waiting to pull out, then I indicate early so that the waiting car can then make their decision with more info but when there are other lanes or conditions that they need to be aware of I am not causing an accident by inadvertantly trying to be helpful.

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the01li3@reddit

If you try to force your way out or don't indicate then nope, but I'll be generous for some of the more annoying corners I know of round here. As for pedestrians, there's new-ish highway code rules that gives them more right of ways.

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DougieHowitzerMD@reddit

Don’t! Use the Highway Code !

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ncc1701-j@reddit

The highway code says you have to let pedestrians cross

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DougieHowitzerMD@reddit

That’s giving way not letting them go that’s a rule !!

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ncc1701-j@reddit

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/the-highway-code-8-changes-you-need-to-know-from-29-january-2022

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DougieHowitzerMD@reddit

Always had to give way to pedestrians when turning off main carriageway onto a side street ! Nothing new there !!!

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SpaTowner@reddit

Yes, but including the bit of the Highway Code about not blocking side roads.

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DougieHowitzerMD@reddit

Bullshit !!

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mypostisbad@reddit

Depends entirely on the situation. If traffic means that I only have to slow a little in order to do it, then yes. But then if there's a massive gap behind me, no. Because it benefits nobody. If someone needs to turn across me and I can see traffic has backed up behind them, yes, because it helps everyone.

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BigWork2739@reddit

>But then if there's a massive gap behind me, no. Because it benefits nobody. Ah yea this really grinds my gears. Someone insisting that I pull out when there's nobody behind them and flashing and rushing me. Like. Use your mirrors!

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amBrollachan@reddit

>If someone needs to turn across me and I can see traffic has backed up behind them, yes, because it helps everyone. This really depends and can be very dangerous. Don't do this in a two lane city road where you're on the outside and the driver needing to turn can't see what's approaching on the outside. Also even on single lanes, how do I know a cyclist isn't going to come down the outside. There's a very busy part of my commute where I have to make a right turn and regularly have an oncoming car stop and flash me out probably because they know traffic is building up behind me. But I never take it because I can't see what's happening to that driver's left. Please just continue and let me wait for a natural gap.

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mypostisbad@reddit

So you looked at my post where I made clear that it depends completely on the situation and decided to pick fault using a hypothetical situation? Okay.

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amBrollachan@reddit

No. You said it depends on the situation. Then gave three situations. The last of which you said "helps everyone". But it doesn't. Priority rules are there for a reason. I know you think you're being polite and helping and that speaks well of your general character. But the fact is that stopping, particularly in a busy situation (you're saying traffic is backing up) to allow someone to make a right turn against priority creates hazards like, but not limited to, the "hypothetical" situation I described. That's why we ask people just to follow priority rules. "Don't be polite, be predictable".

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mypostisbad@reddit

No I did not give an exhaustive lost of situations, because I am not mental. Also, of I do what I described, not only have I already judged the situation to be safe and appropriate, but it is then on the driver turning to not assume out is completely safe. They should them be paying attention to potential hazards. It's not about being polite, it's about helping traffic flow where appropriate. The situation I actually had in mind is on my daily commute. If nobody let's anyone into the turn I'm thinking of, the traffic could easily back up across the dual carriage way junction in that direction, which would not only impact the major road, but could also prevent MY lane from moving, as anybody wanting to turn right on that junction, would be unable to and we'd have gridlock. But you know, you carry on assuming I'm stupid.

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Choccybizzle@reddit

The last sentence really needs to be talked about more in driving lessons. Let’s apply some common sense!

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amBrollachan@reddit

No. Because in busy conditions the driver needing to make the turn possibly can't see what's happening to your left. You stop and flash them out and a cyclist comes down your inside? Just stay predictable.

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Choccybizzle@reddit

IMO most people turning aren’t putting their foot down, they have enough time to react to a cyclist. They’ll have one eye on the traffic anyway, plus I’ll be aware if I have a cyclist on my left.

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amBrollachan@reddit

Is it worth creating the hazard? I'm not sure you can be confident you can be aware of an approaching cyclist on the left while your attention is also on the driver you're letting out. There's no situation in which the safest option is simply to follow the rules of priority and remain predictable.

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Choccybizzle@reddit

Bottom line is I dont agree with you.

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amBrollachan@reddit

You think it's often more safe not to just follow the rules of priority that everyone is expecting? Okay doke.

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Choccybizzle@reddit

Yes

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amBrollachan@reddit

You probably shouldn't be driving.

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Choccybizzle@reddit

Ok sure whatever.

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owotnsosnfb@reddit

Rule number 1, be predictable

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CreativeAdeptness477@reddit

Unless it's at a point where I'm supposed to do, like a zebra crossing with someone approaching, or if queueing in traffic and continuing forward would block a junction access, I never "let people go". Don't be polite, be predictable. If you have right of way, use it. Stopping to "let people go" when you don't have to is unexpected driver behaviour and increases the risk of accidents.

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ncc1701-j@reddit

You know you have to stop at every intersection if a pedestrian is crossing or about to cross, not just zebras, right?

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CreativeAdeptness477@reddit

Offering up a couple of very simple, familiar, and easy to understand examples, son, but you go do you and indulge in the Internet pedant routine. I hear the chicks really dig it. 👍

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ncc1701-j@reddit

I'm just clarifying that you understand that these days, you have to treat every intersection as a zebra crossing! https://www.gov.uk/government/news/the-highway-code-8-changes-you-need-to-know-from-29-january-2022

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CreativeAdeptness477@reddit

Yeah.

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PrestigiousGuess458@reddit

Yeah, I'll follow that advice when I'm feeling keen to get rear ended. Round my area, a lot of those crossings are not safe places to unexpectedly stop and I don't care how 'in the right' I'd be, I can't be arsed with the fallout of someone rear ending me

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ncc1701-j@reddit

The highway code was updated to show that pedestrians have priority at every intersection. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/the-highway-code-8-changes-you-need-to-know-from-29-january-2022

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PrestigiousGuess458@reddit

I'm aware, but in real life situations that really doesn't work in practical terms at certain specific junctions. I do follow this as a rule in 99% of scenarios, but there are junctions which are simply not fit for it whatever the highway code says

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27106_4life@reddit

You'd rather break the law and kill or maim a pedestrian then risk your car being dented?

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PrestigiousGuess458@reddit

When it comes to pedestrians waiting to cross at places that are dangerous to stop? Absolutely. I was specific about there being places near my home that pose a particular issue for this change. (Crossings on blind bends, which people tend to travel 30mph around). The greater risk is in stopping in some places. Nobody is at risk of maiming, calm down.

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AirconGuyUK@reddit

It's not unpredictable when it's the cultural norm though.

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CreativeAdeptness477@reddit

It's by no means the cultural norm.

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AirconGuyUK@reddit

Yes it is. Even my Australian friend (and I thought we'd have similar driving culture) commented on how much more cooperative and helpful everyone is on the roads. Talk to a foreigner who now drives in Britain regularly and ask if there's a culture of cooperation or not. You likely just don't realise it because it's all you've experienced. Not enough experience to have some perspective. Driving in Europe it quickly becomes obvious how cooperation on the roads is quite a unique cultural trait of ours.

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CreativeAdeptness477@reddit

No I absolutely would not miss if everyone abided by the highway code. I long for that. It's a dream. I drive for a living. I have to abide by it. The amount of people pulling dipshit stunts and nearly causing accudents in order to "be polite" is ridiculous. If you've seen cooperation on our roads you and I must clearly be driving in very different areas. Our collective driving standards have dropped dramatically in the last 25 years.

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AirconGuyUK@reddit

>I drive for a living. Almost no shitter driver than people who drive for a living in my experience. >Our collective driving standards have dropped dramatically in the last 25 years. That's what mass immigration from countries with worse (or no) driving standards gets us.

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CreativeAdeptness477@reddit

I drive for a living for a supermarket. I'm not a self-employed driver. Those do have a tendency to be a bit shit, I'll not argue that point, it just doesn't apply to me. I have two different tracking systems and some cameras monitoring every single little thing I do, even though the cameras aren't technically supposed to be used for that the driver's side wing mirror camera just so happens to cover the driver as well as the road. Retail is known for having the pettiest little-Hitler managers this side of the next supermarket over, and would happily discipline anyone for even the slightest infraction. I drive correctly. The last thing I'm doing is giving management any free ammo to use against me. As to your other point, I'm not going to argue against that at all. You're right. It's just not the whole of it. There's plenty of dumbass home grown drivers too who do dumbass shit "to be nice".

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oktimeforplanz@reddit

Driving predictably is cooperation. Because it makes everyone's behaviour easy to predict and you are not relying on someone else to act unpredictably. Dipshits trying to wave me out of junctions when I can't see what's coming from the other direction well enough to be comfortable going, then getting frustrated when I don't go, do my head in. I've seen accidents caused by people waving people out of junctions. I'm not going to go just because Barbara or John has waved me across. I don't care in the slightest if they're stopping to do it because they want that little thank you.

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Ok-Cheesecake-1891@reddit

Disagree, van drivers let each other out all the time

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CreativeAdeptness477@reddit

An occasional act of idiocy does not equate to a cultural norm. Though perhaps you're right and I should revise my statement, because occasional acts of idiocy very much is a cultural norm for us if you class them all together.

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McDomald@reddit

Absolutely this! I hate it when people are 'nice' to me and let me go when they have the right of way! No one else understands me when I say "Be predictable, not nice"

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zwifter11@reddit

You should stick to the Highway Code and be predictable. Whilst on a main road, I was surprised to see the car in front slam on her brakes to let someone pull out of a side road. There was no need, it wasn’t busy.

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shaneo632@reddit

As a pedestrian I hate it when cars do this most of the time, especially if it’s 2 lane traffic and the other lane is busy. Just let me figure it out on my own rather than hold up cars for my sake

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ncc1701-j@reddit

You know, you have priority and they have to stop for you right? It's the highway code.

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shaneo632@reddit

At zebra crossings? Sure

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ncc1701-j@reddit

It's the law, as written in the highway code, to let pedestrians cross at all intersections. They have priority at every intersection, not just zebras. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/the-highway-code-8-changes-you-need-to-know-from-29-january-2022

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55erg@reddit

Generally I do it as often as possible because it gives me a calming warm feeling. Although it then enrages me if I’m not thanked

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Browneskiii@reddit

You are the reason why there's crashes. You're not nice, you're unpredictable and causing people to crash. Sort it out.

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JohnSmith_47@reddit

If you’re following someone so closely that when they come to a stop, you get in an accident, you’re driving too fast or too closely behind them.

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seriousrikk@reddit

No. The reason why there are crashes is folks driving too close while not paying attention.

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55erg@reddit

>You are the reason why there's crashes. You're not nice, you're unpredictable and causing people to crash. Sort it out. No. You sort yourself out. I’m aware of unpredictability and how it can lead to crashes. It’s possible to be both predictable and nicely let people out. Unlike you it seems, based on how you get so irate at throwaway comments that you have to chime in with an impulsive, aggressive rant.

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Tarnished13@reddit

Haha yes!!

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MonsieurGump@reddit

“Be predictable not polite” is the best bit of driving advice you’ll ever get.

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AirconGuyUK@reddit

If everyone did this we'd get nowhere on our roads and you'd soon miss the politeness. Talk to foreigners about driving here, they absolutely love the cooperation and politeness. You hold a luxury belief, in as much as you probably don't even realise how much you benefit from our polite road usage. Driving in Europe you soon realise how much better it is to be polite than predictable.

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Battleborn300@reddit

Being polite is dangerous, it’s also mot polite, when you do something unpredictable which makes pedestrians and other road users have to adjust for stupidity claiming to be polite. Imagine holding up someone who has right of way… all for being polite. It has the opposite effect, you automatically become a something that rhymes with hunt…. that can’t drive.

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sihasihasi@reddit

What a load of tosh. It means stuff like _"if there's nobody behind you don't let someone out, just continue, and let them pull out behind you"_ That's being predictable. They're almost certainly expecting to pull out behind you, and there's a chance they won't be ready when you stop. I'm polite, but I try to be predictable, too. You should try it.

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AirconGuyUK@reddit

And if there's just a massive amount of traffic behind you? You don't just lift off for 5 seconds, and flash your lights to let them out?

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sihasihasi@reddit

Yes, of course I do. Provided it's unambiguous. If there are multiple cars waiting to turn in different directions, then I'll leave them, because it can cause confusion. The point is, predictability comes before politeness. As it should. People doing unpredictable things cause accidents. I will try to be polite and let folks out as often as I can, but it often makes sense to leave them to pull out into the gap behind you that they're expecting to go into.

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amBrollachan@reddit

Yes. It causes confusion. 99% of the time it's going to be fine but is that 1% worth it instead of just doing what everyone expects. Other road users behind you aren't expecting you to stop. Also was there not a lot of insurance fraud at one point with people flashing folk out then driving into them? One that happens to me at least once a week and winds me up: there's a road on my commute, two lanes of traffic on each side. It's a busy city artery linking two precincts. I have to make a right turn from this road to get into my neighborhood. Someone in the oncoming lane will stop and flash me to let me turn (presumably out of kindness because they know it's busy and I could be waiting to turn for a minute or two). But I can't see what's happening in the inside oncoming lane. I'm not going to turn, because it's busy and there's every chance I'm going to drive into a car coming down the inside. So there's a short stand off where I try to flash them to continue and they sometimes gesture at me to make the turn. I know they're just being nice so I get just as annoyed with myself for getting pissed off as I do with them.

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louwyatt@reddit

You, the famous thing that causes issues on European roads, is people doing unpredictable things. People following the rules much more strictly here is what makes us so much safer. Frankly, it always frustrates me when people give way when I don't have priority. I suddenly feel rushed, and I feel like a nuance on other drivers.

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cadex@reddit

Someone thinking their being polite can cause accidents. I'm all for being polite when it's safe to do so but people who sacrifice predictability on the alter of politeness are a danger. It varies from town to town but overall being predictable should take precedent over being polite, especially if you choose to be polite over being predictable sooner or later you'll cause a crash.

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Confident_Ice_5180@reddit

Can you give examples of behaviours that are predictable in Europe, but which also cause problems?

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Emergency-Living6584@reddit

You can be predictably polite

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AdonisCarbonado@reddit

I can’t stand you knobs that do this & think it’s the right or safe thing to do. Someone put ‘nice holes’ as the description of you & I think that’s way too nice a term.

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TobsterVictorSierra@reddit

Whenever I determine that it will improve flow for everyone. This usually doesn't mean that I stop though, and if you're too gormless to take the available gap then you've missed the opportunity.

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rheos-darkmoon@reddit

Only if I'm in a slow moving queue of traffic and there is somewhere for the exiting vehicle to actually go. People who randomly stop to give way when they have priority and no need to stop cause confusion to all the other road users around them.

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Major-Credit-2442@reddit

So even if someone is half pulled out to turn right and blocking the other lane you won’t stop to let them out?

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rheos-darkmoon@reddit

If it's going to increase risk and confusion, I'm not stopping to let out an impatient fool. If all I have to do is slow up a bit to let them out and clear a jam then I'll ease up and let them go. Thr average dozy driver is looking at the number plate in front so has to stop as they realise too late. I look a lot further forward (and back) so I have time to adjust speed and create a bigger gap without breaking flow.

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mrdibby@reddit

i've been cycling and had a car start to overtake me just to slow down and flash his lights to encourage a car cut across both of us honestly, the mind of some people

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heyitsed2@reddit

When someone stops to let me go when there's no one behind them really winds me up...

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Jasp1971@reddit

Or they wait till they're 5 ft from you and flash, why couldn't they flash 20ft ago.

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phoenix_3141@reddit

I do this occasionally and get annoyed at myself if that helps at all . . . Trying to be nice and realising it was pointless 🤷 frustrating for all involved.

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Salt_Safety2234@reddit

Jeez, someone being nice to you winds you up. You sound pleasant to be around.

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DameKumquat@reddit

And the ones that do it don't realise that there's a bus lane on their left, so them waving me past means I'm likely to get hit/run over by a bus/bike/e-bike/idiot in the 24-hour bus lane, and when driving I'm usually waiting for the pedestrians to stop crossing my road...

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AdhesivenessNo9878@reddit

I live in an area where I normally need to turn right across two lanes of traffic. The amount of times cars stop with noone behind them to let me turn right infuriates me. I'm at the point now where I just sit and wait til they get bored of flashing me on and finally just drive on. Sometimes they give me the fingers and that which I must say I do enjoy. Just follow the fucking rules of the road! It would be quicker if they didn't stop

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Mudeford_minis@reddit

Oh you’re that prick are you? 😂

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romeo__golf@reddit

This also annoys me as a pedestrian. I'm usually looking at the nice big crossing space behind them and by the time they've slowed down, waved at me (which I've probably not seen because I was looking behind them!) and then realised I'm not going to cross, that big gap has closed by the next car which was previously far enough back for me to get over the road, and then I have to wait again... Just. Keep. Moving.

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AirconGuyUK@reddit

Me too. But sometimes I think people are behind me and flash people to let them out and then I realise I have become the thing I hate the most..

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martin_81@reddit

Or even worse if there is one car behind them but clear after that, it's just slower for everyone involved.

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Vaniky@reddit

I always let BMWs go, even if there’s no one behind me. High chance of them hugging my ass if I don’t haha.

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Deep-Refuse-9414@reddit

^ this

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EeveesGalore@reddit

> People who randomly stop to give way when they have priority and no need to stop cause confusion to all the other road users around them. Worst are the ones who do it immediately after pulling out of a side road in front of someone or passing a cyclist.

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Megacityone1@reddit

As a new driver who passed last September I try to prioritise being predictable over letting people out. Two weeks before my test my dad got knocked off his motorbike in this exact situation!

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Digidigdig@reddit

This. It is not anyone’s job to direct traffic. Follow the Highway Code and we can all go about our day safely.

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SdanoG@reddit

Surely recent changes to the highway code state that if its safe let pedestrians cross, I am certain this has been so for a couple of years

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RookieJourneyman@reddit

It's better to be a predictable driver than an overly courteous one!

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MountainMuffin1980@reddit

I hate when there's a busy T junction and someone flashes their lights but it just causes confusion on who they are expecting to move. It pisses me right off

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Rough-Sprinkles2343@reddit

Exactly this. Be predictable, not nice. It’s worse when you’re a pedestrian because then you have to re-evaluate if it’s safe or not to cross.

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Mid-Pri6170@reddit

> People who randomly stop to give way when they have priority and no need to stop cause confusion to all the other road users around them. usually old men called 'Len'.

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RealLongwayround@reddit

I rarely stop to let people out. I routinely slow down a little to create a gap to let people out.

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SpareSurprise1308@reddit

People who stop at round about exits to let someone cross the road make my head want to explode. Genuinely is so dangerous and stupid just because you want to be polite and now you’ve backup an entire roundabout.

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CalendarOld7075@reddit

One for one. Thats my rule

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best-before1990@reddit

Very common in this coffin-dodging part of the country. I don't bother with this kind of 'civility' - got places to go.

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Adept-Limit7989@reddit

I'm 'one of them' who stops for pedestrians everywhere, sorry! At junctions and leaving car parks with cars, one-in-one-out is observed. What other people are doing doesn't bother me and I will take pleasure in winding up the car behind me by letting extra cars cars pull in front of me if I've seen them pushing through. The only exception is at school car park where there's a little funnel that people will drive the wrong way down to cut out a big chunk of queue when getting out. I'll expend every effort in making sure they don't get in front of me.

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ncc1701-j@reddit

Don't be sorry, you're literally following the law!

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Gold-Mixture-7824@reddit

Pedestrians have right of way if looking to cross the road I think? I'm sure the highway code was updated a few years back? Could be wrong though. I don't like when someone slows down and flashes to give me right of way because as much as it might be safe enough for them to slow down and flash you it doesn't necessarily mean it's safe for me to move out, the other driver isn't always aware of other traffic around them when doing that

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ncc1701-j@reddit

They definitely do.

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ncc1701-j@reddit

You always have to let a pedestrian cross...

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Mental_Tea_4493@reddit

Only if there's a long queue behind me. Lift, flash the beam and wave at other driver.

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Robotica_Daily@reddit

What do you mean by lift?

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Mental_Tea_4493@reddit

As the other guys says under your comment, for lift I mean getting off from the accelerator😁. I'm used to drive looking down the road trying to anticipate whatever could happen in front of me.

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Robotica_Daily@reddit

Thank you

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AirconGuyUK@reddit

Get off the accelerator.

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sparklybeast@reddit

Lift off the gas pedal, presumably.

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V65Pilot@reddit

The ones that get me are those that just pull out in front of you, even though you have given no indication you were going to let them out. causing you to have to brake suddenly, and then they wave "thanks".... Closely followed by those who've edged out into the traffic on the opposite side of the road, effectively stopping traffic flow in that side, and then having to wait because there are no openings for them to pull into...so they are now causing a traffic jam.

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Historical_Pin2806@reddit

If I'm in a queue and there's space, then I let people out. If I'm driving at speed - or behind someone and they stop - nope.

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TheDemonBunny@reddit

I believe in car karma. Sometimes the roads etc mean that ppl HAVE to let you out...when im at others discretion id like to think they'd let me out. So 95% of the time I let others go etc. I drive for uber eats so I gain n spend tons of car karma. If I have food tho in the car tho im a selfish maniac 😂

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audigex@reddit

Stop start or slow moving traffic, although I very rarely stop specifically to let someone go If it’s stop start then I’ll just wave someone out when I’m already stopped just prior to the junction they’re sitting at If it’s slow moving I just let the gap in front of me open up In general I try not to wave people out at all, I just leave them space to make their own decision and go if they want to. I find waving/flashing people can cause more confusion because if they don’t see it then I might move just at the point they catch on. Plus if I’ve not seen something I may be waving them into the path of someone else

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No_Seat443@reddit

If it’s not impactful to those behind fine… however too many stop to let people out causing main routes contributing to phantom traffic jams. Holding up flowing traffic to let someone out is not a zero sum game.

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x0_Kiss0fDeath@reddit

When I'm in traffic and/or I'm in a particularly good mood where I feel somebody has been waiting a long time For example, if there are a lot of cars behind me and I can see quite far in front of me that somebody is waiting, when I get to them, I might let them go. If it's empty behind me, I'm less likely to stop as they can go after me.

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Major_Toe_6041@reddit

Either when slow moving traffic and it’s not going to affect my time at all, or when I’m legally supposed to. Letting someone go because you can when you have priority over them is infuriating. When I was learning everyone gave me priority and I would just sit there and wait for them to go. I know you are being nice, but I don’t care, I was learning to follow the laws of the road. I’ll take those options now, but I made a point of not doing then, and don’t give them now.

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Rare-Ad700@reddit

often as long as it makes sense. Some of the junctions near me are a shitshow and you can easily spend a couple of minutes waiting for a gap to come out of

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One-Cardiologist-462@reddit

I generally prefer not to, and to simplify things by being predictable. If I'm travelling at one speed in one direction, then the other person can make an educated guess as to wether they'll be enough time to safely pull out. Randomly stopping will impede the flow of traffic behind me. The exception is when it's very busy in a car park or something, I try to let out another driver, so it's a 1 for 1 situation.

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D-Angle@reddit

I try to do it where it's obvious the vehicle is being driven by someone who is at work. Delivery drivers, Police etc., they probably need to get ahead more than I do.

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ShinyHeadedCook@reddit

I'll let cars go. My exception is idiots that stick their front end right out into the road to try n force it

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19wesley88@reddit

Usually I would agree with you. But there are certain junctions, especially in Birmingham where if you don't be a bit aggressive and move forward to sit in a gap to go right, you just will not get out. But just don't be a dick about it and make sure to thank the drivers.

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RUNNERBEANY@reddit

Central London is like that - I drive through daily…having a small car too, if you sit there you’ll never go anywhere

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SatinwithLatin@reddit

I've been that idiot but only because I had been stuck for five minutes waiting to turn into a main road that had no nearby traffic controls or natural gaps and absolutely nobody was letting me out. A mix of bad civil engineering and city drivers forced my hand.

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will2089@reddit

Yeah I will let people out if there’s no gap behind me but as soon as they start creeping out trying to block the road I’ll just drive around them. The look on their faces is always priceless.

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PrinceBert@reddit

If you start rolling in the hopes I'll stop to let you go then you're guaranteed to have the opposite effect.

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AirconGuyUK@reddit

This is why it's my tactic to purposely be a bit back from the line if I want people to let me out. Genuinely makes a massive difference in regards to being let out. As in a night and day difference, I even tested it. Nose out, people hate it. Nose behind and not looking like you're in a rush, first person will let you out.

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AirconGuyUK@reddit

Yes, they must be punished.

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Tarnished13@reddit

Exactly this.

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qwertyytrewq02@reddit

This. Also I hope they will pay it forward, and in turn they will pay it forward lol.

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-Rhymenocerous-@reddit

Depends on the situation. If I look down the road and theres congestion / red lights. Ill flash you out and slow down. When driving a liveried company van im a lot more patient and courteous than usual. If I see someone gunning it driving like a loon ill just let them pass. Its much easier than having them behind you causing agg.

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Equivalent_Parking_8@reddit

I don't. I just drive according to the rules of the road. I can't stand people waving me out, especially if I'm just waiting for them to go, as in there's no other cars behind them. Just keep driving and I'll get on my way in exactly the same time.

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AirconGuyUK@reddit

I don't believe you that you "can't stand" when someone waves you out of a side street when there's busy traffic. I bet you actually appreciate and benefit from it very regularly.

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Equivalent_Parking_8@reddit

I clearly said when there's nobody else around. Not in busy traffic. That's a completely different situation and is usually not a case of someone not letting you out but rather not blocking a junction.

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AirconGuyUK@reddit

>I clearly said when there's nobody else around. No, you didn't. You said: >I can't stand people waving me out, especially if I'm just waiting for them to go, as in there's no other cars behind them. You said when no one else is around it's 'especially' annoying, so you're applying it's annoying always but in that named scenario it gets extra annoying.

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No_Group5174@reddit

When I see that there is a traffic jam and letting them go would help to clear that jam.

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algypan@reddit

Like all the time, then when someone is rude I get stroppy and say to myself that's it, never again.... 10 minutes later I'm back at it 🤦😂

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Lufc87@reddit

When it makes sense. The key to everyone being safe on roads is driving as predictably as possible.

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Remarkable_Movie_800@reddit

Often if there's an a*hole behind thats driving stupid. I don't mind slowing them down. And also just when I get a chance too, I'm not always the best at noticing the opportunities, but I try my best to give pedestrians and cyclists a chance to go when I can. After all, I think, they're doing the planet a favour by not driving. Hate seeing someone in the rain trying to cross the street and cars just keep going. Why keep the pedestrian waiting longer when I'm sitting in a warm dry car.

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Ok-Cheesecake-1891@reddit

If I'm in slow moving traffic, I like to let people who are blocking the other lane trying to make a right hand turn through, keeps everything moving.

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No_Ferret_5450@reddit

Depends on the car. If it’s an expensive car then no, as I assume they can afford to wait

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Time-Ad-9022@reddit

Only if there’s more than 5 cars behind me, but I have to say on the school run…..I do not, no one says thank you anymore, so they can wait 🤷🏻‍♀️

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ThatCarlosGuy@reddit

If it's not going to impede me or the traffic behind me too much and the other car is in a safe position to do so I will pretty much every time.

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teeeeeeeeem37@reddit

I tried to avoid stopping; instead, I'll grow the space between me and the car in front and let the car waiting to pull out know that I've seen them. If they decide they can make it out in that gap, they can take it. Obviously, if they misjudge it or pull out late, I'm not just going to ram them.

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YouCanShoveYourMagic@reddit

Quite a lot. People seen genuinely grateful that someone let them go. Too many arseholes on the roads these days.

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NoCatch2153@reddit

Quite a lot. I'm purposefully trying to be mindful and not be in a rush.

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Salt_Safety2234@reddit

All the time. Especially if it can free up some traffic in some way.

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Ricky_Martins_Vagina@reddit

As often as is appropriate for the road conditions, fuck knows 🤷🏻‍♂️ What I do know is that if I'm merging and there's someone being a particular cunt and actively trying not to let people merge because they can't grasp the concept of 'merge in turn', if I do get in front of them i'll intentionally allow another bunch of cars to merge in front of me just to piss the guy behind off even more 🙃

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shadow-season@reddit

Often. The world is full enough of self absorbed cunts. I try not to join them.

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Frothingdogscock@reddit

In my car, all the time, when I'm on my motorbike, never. When I'm on 2 wheels I want predictability.

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HotButteredBagel@reddit

I do this but also I remember that the people behind me are queuing too. I don’t let everyone in front as that’s not fair to the people behind me. So it can annoy me when I let someone out and then they spread the generosity by letting others in front of them. Like hello now you’re making me pay when I was kind to you.

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Radiant_Fondant_4097@reddit

Generally my rule of thumb is if I’m already travelling at speed, then stopping would be a silly thing to do. If I’m in slow moving traffic however and the coast is clear then I’ll let people in/out.

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SaucyRagu96@reddit

The best thing you while driving is be "predictable" not polite. Sometimes people think they're being nice by letting others go, but sometimes it can cause more confusion and disruption. You want to drive in way that easy you understand by everyone else that can see you

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Pedantichrist@reddit

As a motorcyclist, Please fucking do not do this unpredictably. Cars pulling out in front of me because another car flashed them out is a regular occurrence and it kills bikers.

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xlucywhitfieldx@reddit

Only if it’s a learner or someone on a p plate. Why make everything 10x more difficult for a new or in progress driver? I once stopped in the middle lane (which was splitting up to create a right lane) for a learner that needed to be in the right lane but was stuck in the left lane as nobody would let them cross over (they were indicating too).

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Choccybizzle@reddit

I leave plenty of space in front of me so I’m normally happy to flash someone in/out as they’ll have plenty of time. It’s obviously context dependent though.

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Spank3_y@reddit

Regularly, It makes for a better drive as I feel good and hopefully they do to, unless there is no one behind me.

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potato_face1234@reddit

Think of the people behind you, it's ok if you are not holding them up.

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BuildingForFriends@reddit

One of the best pieces of advice I've been given is 'be predictable, not polite'. But I still let a lot of people go ;)

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SdanoG@reddit

Mostly all the time, roads by ours are mostky 20 or the high street has lots of crossings and junctions so you cant get upto speed anyway plus chill out y’all 🙃

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annedroiid@reddit

If the street is very busy and there's space/time for me to do so safely I will try. I don't do it if there's otherwise lots of gaps for them to get past without me disturbing traffic.

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ReditMcGogg@reddit

Depends really, quite often though. If I see kids or families waiting to cross I always stop though. My logic is if I have let them cross then someone else won’t run them over…

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Puzzled-Job9556@reddit

Parents with children especially pushchairs and the elderly, all the time. Quite often let other cars out too.

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Odins_eye_4@reddit

Probably about 80% of the time

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SuuperD@reddit

Every day

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OwenBuysAHouse@reddit

All the time. Hoping for instant karma!!

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DaPome@reddit

So long as it makes sense and doesn’t cause issues behind me or confuse people, sure.

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skaboy007@reddit

I try to do it all the time if space and traffic levels allow. For a pedestrian though that is different, the rules changed that the pedestrian has right of way (not the correct saying but something along those lines), so if a pedestrian is near the edge of the road you must be prepared to at least slow down incase the pedestrian walks onto the road. At crossings if a pedestrian is at the crossing you must be prepared to stop at said crossing.

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catsaregreat78@reddit

Not a lot of people know this about the rule change re pedestrians waiting to cross. I have to remind myself a lot and the pedestrians aren’t usually expecting it.

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Rusty_Tap@reddit

Most people ignore or don't know about the pedestrian waiting to cross thing. Though most of the time when I'm walking on a road it's to deliver my children to school. There needs to be a bit of give in that situation or cars could be stopped for 45 minutes each morning and afternoon.

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catsaregreat78@reddit

That’s like a never ending zebra crossing!

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Betrayedunicorn@reddit

If traffic is locked such as at rush hour I will always respect the one-in-one-goes unspoken rule for joining traffic, and 90% of the time this is returned. I also let people in often anyway but always check the mirror, it’s annoying if the last car in a train stops as it confuses everyone. This is in the south though. I’ve driven in less civilised places such as Bradford where it’s just everyone for themselves, unfortunately.

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FormatAndSee@reddit

If its slow moving traffic or zipper merging. At junctions I don't let people pull out if it's not safe to do so, like if there is a car coming or bicycle coming on my side that the car I'm letting out cannot see. I also will not stop to let someone out on a main road if I'm in fast moving traffic or im the last car before a gap, that would be just dumb.

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Greg-Normal@reddit

I think of it like this- we are all trying to get wherever as fast as possible- so why not help each other do that instead of being a 'me first' cunt ? There is so mich you can do to help others from moving oit the way of tailgater, to flashing someone out in front of you ! - Unless your ego prevents it ,in which case you are as bad as them ! And it empowers you ! You have let them through! You have been polite! You are the top guy !

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TobblyWobbly@reddit

If I'm driving somewhere like the A83 down Loch Lomond (so, 60mph, can be busy, traffic gets backed up from folk trying to join) I'll leave a big gap between me and the car in front, then slow a bit and flash my lights if I see folk waiting to turn ahead of me (assuming I'm not last or nearly last in the queue, that is).

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VodkaMargarine@reddit

I will admit this is one area of my personality where I have prejudice. Hatchback with a kid in the back? You may go. Taxi? You're on the clock, you may go. Bus? There's 25 people on there you may go sir. Oversized SUV, Tesla or Black BMW? Nah mate it's my right of way sorry.

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Creepy-Brick-@reddit

I used to think badly of BMW drivers, but I find they tend to let me cross now I use a Rollator. So some are tolerant of me. Yet the hatchback keeps driving on through. So no idea if some BWM drivers have become hatchback drivers by default! 🙂

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No_Concern869@reddit

Be predictable not polite and the system works.

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chrisr3240@reddit

A lot. I think I’m in the top 5% of UK let outers. I should get road tax discount or something.

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FunGuyUK83@reddit

At least once a day. I always do 1 good driving deed a day.

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Mincey808@reddit

If there's no one behind me I probably won't stop. If there's a load of cars behind me I'll slow down and flash my lights to let people out. Only if I see them a good 20/30 metres ahead so I'm not really slowing anyone down behind me. I do not come to a dead stop all of a sudden as that's daft and dangerous.

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JeffSergeant@reddit

You really shouldn't flash your lights to let people out, it can be misleading and lead to accidents. (e.g. someone coming the other way wants to turn into the junction you're letting someone out of might take it as a hint to move..) just leave a gap and let them decide it's enough.

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AirconGuyUK@reddit

Yep. I slow down and lose 2 seconds of my life, and the person waiting gets back 20 seconds to several minutes of their life depending on traffic. It's an obvious choice. I always appreciate it when someone else makes the same equation and lets me out.

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oktimeforplanz@reddit

I drive in a way that leaves decent gaps and gives people opportunities to go if they're paying attention, I'll keep side roads clear when in traffic, that sort of thing. But I don't go out of my way to stop to let people go.

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DisplaySmart6929@reddit

As a pedestrian Ive noticed that male drivers stop for me to cross (even when they don't have to) a lot more often than female drivers

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dobber72@reddit

I drive a Volvo, I have to, it's the law.

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Award2110@reddit

If it's busy and I've got a bit of space in front of me and person turning out is going my direction, I'll let them out. Otherwise I don't really let people out.

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Not_Sugden@reddit

very rarely. Its not really what you're supposed to do and often times when people do this it actually slows down traffic

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gentle_vik@reddit

It's what seperates british roads from that of the chaotic ones in certain countries. You see similar in some european countries. The basis of doing a good deed, without expecting anything back.

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Ok-Constant-2683@reddit

When it's safe and I don't have to rush. Having said that, if the person is edging out to force the issue I never let them in.

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ClassicPooka@reddit

Don't let people go, seen a couple of terrible accidents because people being nice and breaking rules of the road

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Spikyleaf69@reddit

I try to do it whenever I can, I call it car karma! Don't always get it back though...

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LoyalWatcher@reddit

Fairly frequently, I guess. However: I'll check behind me first, if it's just me then I'll carry on. If someone's clearly in for wait, and it's worth stopping to let someone out, I will. Also if they'll need to turn into oncoming traffic which isn't stopped, I'll just carry on. On the other hand, if someone lets me out I'll check it's safe to go before I move, and then I'll make sure I get up to the speed limit so I don't end up slowing them down... nothing more annoying than letting someone out and then they dawdle and wander at 15mph while they mess with their phone/radio...

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split-tennisball@reddit

Only in stand still or very slow congestion.

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PM_ME_BEEF_CURTAINS@reddit

If I'm already at low speed, I will make a gap for someone I'm not just going to stop out fo nowhere

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romeo__golf@reddit

Only if I'm already in queuing traffic and they're not likely to be able to pull out directly behind me if I just continued. I wouldn't slow/stop to let someone go if my intentions were unclear or if I would be unnecessarily impeding traffic behind me for the sake of supposedly courtesy. I also try and consider traffic coming in the opposite direction if they're looking to pull out and turn right; would they simply be stuck half-way out/likely to be able to see a clear road the other way? As a rule I also don't flash my lights to invite people out, but will stop short of the junction and make it clear I'm leaving space for them to pull out (i.e. not creeping forward as though I'm about to start moving again).

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Eyfura@reddit

My favourite thing is when people try to let me go,it's obviously not safe at all so I don't go and then they get angry. Im not going to do something dangerous just because you wanted to be "nice".

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Belle_TainSummer@reddit

Only if I need them to move out the way for me to do something. For the love of Christ, stop doing it otherwise. And stop dawdling too, just because you have nowhere to go does not mean other people don't. Drive normal, and drive predictably not politely. Doing otherwise is what causes congestion, frustration, and crashes. YATA

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No_Eagle_1424@reddit

All the time if im not in a rush I hope that this kind gesture is passed on and on, then other drivers will do the same for me.

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Targettio@reddit

Generally very rarely. The normal rule of driving is "Be predictable, not kind". Suddenly changing how you are progressing, even when you see it as safe, isn't necessarily going to lead to a better outcome. Say some one is trying to get out of a T junction. For it to be safe for you to let them out, there would have to be no one behind you. So you stopping to let them out has gained them nothing, they were going to pull out as soon as you passed. Sure there are some viable times to do something like this, normally in slow or barely moving traffic. But that is very situational.

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jackyLAD@reddit

In your example, there's no one behind you and you do state this.... but no ones really suggesting stopping to let someone in here to be fair, there's no reason too. On a busy day with plenty behind you, who have the same view point as you, the driver waiting is losing more time with car that doesn't want to let them in. Every driver who didn't let them in has gained essentially two metres worth of time. The traffic will be slow enough for this to be safe in the laws of driving generally.

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Targettio@reddit

That would fall under my second point. In slow and heavy traffic, it becomes more viable. Still technically you are going against the rules priority, but can be considered safe.

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dwhite21787@reddit

Almost never. If I’m on a country road and a BMW or such flies up behind me, I’ll wave them by at a safe spot, because I’d rather have them unsafe ahead of me than behind. I used to be that maniac, now I’m just trying to arrive alive.

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Quiet_surprise79@reddit

I rarely do because I've had too many occasions when I've tried to let someone go and they haven't been paying attention and just sit there. Eventually, I give up waiting just as they realise I'm letting them go and we both start moving, then both stop again. Quicker for everyone on the road if I just carry on if I've got right of way.

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ams3000@reddit

All the bloody time it seems. I’m addicted to doing it.

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No_Bit7786@reddit

My old therapist told me to do this as a kind of "meditation". Drive at a chill speed, let everyone out, let any pedestrians cross, etc. (obvs while driving safely and not holding people up). I rather enjoyed it and still do it to this day when I'm not on a schedule, it improves my mood massively to know that I've helped people out even in a pretty insignificant way

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-myeyeshaveseenyou-@reddit

Where I live I require people to let me out when I leave my house most of the time so I try to pay it forward where ever I can as long as I’m not causing traffic problems. I know how frustrating it can be to not be able to get out into slow moving traffic so try to be mindful.

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AirconGuyUK@reddit

All the time. You have to be cooperative on our roads when there's cars parked absolutely fucking everywhere to the point of most places with houses being single lane. People saying 'Just follow the highway code' can fuck off. Be cooperative when you can, don't be a stickler for rules and procedure. Everyone benefits.

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Bigallround@reddit

My general policy is to drive predictably rather than politely. However, if letting someone out will ease greater congestion elsewhere, I'll do it. A good driver won't "let people out" often, but they'll always be aware of the flow of traffic and how they can best contribute.

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SoggyWotsits@reddit

If it’s beneficial to the flow of traffic, I’ll always let people out. Or if it’s an area that I know is a pain to get out of, I’ll let someone out who’s waiting. What annoys me is when people stop the flow of cars to let me out, when they’re nearly at the end of a queue of traffic anyway. If they looked in their mirrors, they’d have seen that they didn’t really need to stop. A bit of awareness and forwards planning keeps things moving!

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aje0200@reddit

I try to be predictable. If I’m in a queue and there’s cars wanting to join out of a side road I try follow the zip method and have let one in front and hopefully one behind me.

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Viola_m@reddit

When it's safe to do so, I'll let people in.

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Anxious_wank@reddit

I don't control traffic. If I can see things happening, and I can create a space for best flow then I'll do so by slowing down, letting the space opening up more but I'm not flashing anyone. It really shows the difference between drivers who can judge, pay attention to things that are happening and drivers that want that red carpet roll out.

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ddttm@reddit

If someone is driving right up my back bottom I’m likely to let everyone I see waiting out in front. Other than that it very much depends on traffic flow.

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TheoArchibald@reddit

I like to do what James May calls Christian motoring if I'm not in a rush to go anywhere and it just seems a fair time to do so. I never let a Tesla, BMW or Audi go though unless its a neighbour.

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Fun_Consequence_6970@reddit

Never unless I'm in slow moving traffic anyway... Although that congestion on my commute has usually been caused by other people randomly stopping to let people out on an otherwise 50mph road. Enrages me to no end twice a week.

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TippyTurtley@reddit

Pedestrians have right of way you should always stop for them

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ihavetakenthebiscuit@reddit

Whenever I can, it takes me a few seconds to keep traffic going

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yesterdaysomelette22@reddit

Frequently esp with people walking. It’s a bit of easy social lubrication

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samsaBEAR@reddit

I don't really believe in karma but I do however believe in carma, I like to believe that if I wait a few seconds and let someone out at a busy junction then it I'll come back to me in a good way when I'm trying to join a busy road.

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resident_queerdo@reddit

All the time. It also makes sense from a safety point of view. If there's a lot of traffic that someone is trying to get into, they have to keep checking if they can go. They might get stressed and overlook something. If I stop to let them in, however, they can be certain it's safe. I try to be a considerate driver, but besides that, I'm arguing that it could also be seen as accident prevention. (Though I came up with this as a backup reason in case anyone ever tells me I'm stupid for the way I drive.)

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f365eli@reddit

If someone is waiting to turn across traffic and it’s causing a tailback I will. I’ll also let people out from side streets if I’m only going to end up waiting at lights anyway

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jackyLAD@reddit

Always, it's pointless delay of traffic generally otherwise. You'll almost certainly make up all but a millisecond of that wait time to let someone in... someone waiting to get in won't make that time up, it's also miniscule time in the grand scheme of things, but it adds up when it loads of people, every day, all the time. People are mostly selfish too.

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GooseyDuckDuck@reddit

Don’t be the dick that just stops in free flowing traffic to let someone out. These are the people who cause accidents.

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superkinks@reddit

Every day, only if it’s safe to do so though, there’s no point helping one person out by endangering others. I don’t really care if it’s paid forward or not, I’m not giving to receive, I take pleasure in thinking I might’ve made someone’s day a little bit easier.

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madcaplaughed@reddit

never really. if i have right of way i just carry on. i always feel its better to be predictable than polite. there are of course exceptions if it “makes sense” to let someone go who’s halfway into traffic already or whatever.

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AnonymousTimewaster@reddit

Only when it makes sense. Don't just stop in the middle of a busy road to let people out.

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EverybodySayin@reddit

Not often honestly. I used to but it just creates the possibility for problems and I realised my instructor's advice of "don't be nice, be predictable" is something to live by.

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Fish_Minger@reddit

I live in a village and most of my driving is in the vicinity. I am always ultra-polite and cautious as the chances are I will bump into that person, or see the car again. I drive with the assumption that I could indeed come face to face with any other road user. Reminds me of a time when I was out with a colleague in London. She was head of sales and was driving to a customer at one of the universities. She failed to stop at a zebra crossing, (to be fair it was a side street and was just some white lines pained on a speed bump, but still a legit crossing.) The guy attempting to cross had a good shout and was pointing at the ground indicating the crossing. My colleague swore at him and gave him the middle finger. Yes, it was our customer. Awkward meeting.

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pinpoint321@reddit

I try to do it as often as possible providing it makes sense. But a lot of drivers piss me off as they slow down but don’t make it clear they’re letting you go. They’re usually the ones at the end of a line of traffic too so if they’d just driven on everyone would have progressed more quickly.

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jmc291@reddit

If I'm not in a rush or need to collect something and it is just a leisurely outing, I usually just let others go

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Superb-Ad-8823@reddit

Well if it's a bus or lorry I will let them through because they are working. With pedestrians you have to be careful as you may stop and some bam might over/under take.

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VolcanicBear@reddit

Depends where. There's a shitty dog leg turn near me that's impossible to get out of 75% of the time, so I'll normally let a car or two go there if traffic is positioned for it to make sense to. Otherwise I'm not slowing down to let someone out if I wasn't already slowing down. Needless pollution.

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