Is there any actual reason as to why I've been asked to send off my paternal grandmother's documents to support my passport application?
Posted by TheRegularBelt@reddit | AskUK | View on Reddit | 23 comments
Hi there,
I applied for a passport on February 13th and the whole process has been a bit of a joke. Firstly, my documents just apparently weren't accounted for somewhere along the line and the passport office told me that they hadn't received them after I enquired about whether or not they were in their possession, which they then backtracked on once I showed them proof that they had been delivered (I paid for whatever the fastest delivery option was lol).
So, that's fine. They say they'll continue with my application. If they need anything else, they'll let me know, etc.
Get an email today, was expecting to have been approved and was happy... opened it. Nope. They now want my maternal grandmother's birth certificate with her parents information on.
Like, why? My mom and dad are both British citizens who were born in this country. I already provided them my mother's birth certificate and my mom's passport details since she has one. My dad does not and I submitted my mom's details since she did and I thought it'd actually make the process easier! I'm just more confused than anything, it's not like my family don't have a copy of it, they do, but I would've more than happily provided them with this in the first place if they simply just asked for it and it wasn't gonna hold things up?
I'm kinda at a loss for words. I get that these things need to be secure before an application is approved but why not just lay everything on the table at once?
This is my first time applying for a passport and I have 0 idea how it works internally. Does anyone with experience know why they may have requested this?
Asena89@reddit
I would say that yes this is strange. Am a mother & applied for my little one’s passport shortly after birth. Both his parents are British citizens (even though dad wasn’t born here!) & all they wanted was his birth certificate.
Viamoullini@reddit
My children are in the same boat as yours, however the passport office is asking for both sets of grandparents details and original documents to boot. I don’t even know if the documents exist! My dad is in his 80s I doubt he knows where is birth certificate is anymore. I am so pissed off.
DancingAppaloosa@reddit
As someone who had to go through the process of applying for citizenship through a maternal grandparent and then applying for a British passport, obviously I can't speak to your exact situation, but I can tell you that in both the citizenship and passport applications, I was asked for additional documents later on in the process. Obviously this is annoying and I was frustrated too, especially since I couldn't understand why the documents I provided initially were not sufficient on their own.
However, it's important to remember that individual case workers are working on each application, and so there is an element of personal discretion to this. Also, depending on the nationality/countries involved with you, your parents or your grandparents, they may need additional documents to confirm the legitimacy and accuracy of the documents you've already submitted. For instance, I'm from South Africa originally and I provided my unabridged birth certificate, which was sufficient for every other application I've ever done. However, for my citizenship application, they wanted my vault birth certificate as well, which is a separate, more detailed document that I had to request with a certain amount of expense and hassle. But it was to have an additional source to confirm information I've already provided. And in the age of online applications for important documents, I can kind of understand this. They need to make sure that everything lines up and supports everything else. Once I provided what they asked for, the process went more smoothly and was approved fairly quickly.
So my advice is, just give them what they ask for and try not to let your frustration get the better of you.
TheRegularBelt@reddit (OP)
The only thing I can possibly think of is that my mother's bloodline has some Turkish heritage, but my grandmother and mother were both born over here lol. Could this be why?
DancingAppaloosa@reddit
Like I said, they're just checking that all your information/documents line up. They're not out to get you.
Truewit_@reddit
Your mistake was applying on Friday 13th
TheRegularBelt@reddit (OP)
That's one part of it...
No-Assignment-5287@reddit
Once upon a time I'd have described that as obvious coincidence. but with an LLM likely involved in the process somewhere I would not be surprised if it 'thought' applications made on Friday 13th were supposed to go wrong.
OkTadpole2920@reddit
I think it maybe because it is your first passport, they don't have any other paperwork to prove who you are.
TheRegularBelt@reddit (OP)
Other than my birth certificate that they requested and I sent? That seems like the epitome of proof to me, but you could be right, I suppose.
Loose_Acanthaceae201@reddit
That proves that a person was born on a day, but anyone could go and buy a copy of someone else's birth certificate from the register office and attach it to a passport application.
OkTadpole2920@reddit
Oh yes, that's a basic requirement!
Boboshady@reddit
Do your parents have valid UK passports? Valid as in, still in date etc? I'm not questioning their UK status.
It could also be that your parents were both born after 1983? There's additional rules that come in from then. Before then, a birth certificate was enough for you.
Basically, it's all around proving you have a right to citizenship, which usually requires evidence that at least one parent has the right to citizenship...so sometimes, based on the evidence provided, the circumstances of that evidence, and the date of various people being born, they might need to go back another generation...basically to confirm that your parents are citizens, thus making you one.
It's a bit of a faff, but not the end of the world. If you can't provide it, then you can explain that and work to get other means of proof.
TheRegularBelt@reddit (OP)
My mother was born after 1983, her passport’s in date, though! This appears to be the reason why.
Boboshady@reddit
Yep, most likely. from 1983 onwards, one doesn't automatically get UK status unless you have at least one parent also born in the UK, so in your case, your mother can't qualify you because she was born after 1983, so HMPO need to verify HER status via her parents (your grandparents).
Why they won't accept your dad instead is another question.
TheRegularBelt@reddit (OP)
I applied with my mother’s documents since she had a passport and I thought it’d make the process easier, funnily enough! So they’re asking for her mother’s details as a result.
This is gonna be an uphill battle, my grandmother changed her first name to her middle name, (Margaret to Bernadette), so I’m not sure if I need to start looking for other documents to prove this, as her birth certificate is issued with her birth name, obviously.
mellonians@reddit
I think some citizenships can only be passed down once I have a south African friend whose kids aren't British for this reason.
Something happened in 1983.
Ok_Aioli3897@reddit
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/parents-and-grandparents-why-we-need-their-details-caseworker-guidance
TheRegularBelt@reddit (OP)
This doesn't really answer the question. Why not just ask for this in the first place? Are my mom and dad not British enough?
boomerangchampion@reddit
Potentially no. If they were both born after 1983, even if they were born in Britain; if their parents (your grandparents) weren't citizens, then neither were your parents and neither are you.
I think anyway. All this stuff is ridiculously complicated but there's loopholes like this all over the place.
TheRegularBelt@reddit (OP)
My mom was born after 1983, so that'd be why. Haha, what a complete joke. This is such a non-issue.
My mother's side of the family has a fair bit of Turkish heritage but I know my grandmother was a British citizen lol. At least now I know why they need this. Thank you.
TheRegularBelt@reddit (OP)
Maternal, excuse the title. Yeesh!
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