wtf is going on over at prime?

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ogloc1995@reddit

I knew a guy who worked for prime and he said they keep that deposit no matter what. They will find something it could be literally a tiny scratch or mark and they will say they need to keep it

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I worked for them for 5.5 years, and they never did that. They had a pet deposit for company drivers, but not just a general deposit. This is exactly how the pet deposit worked. Also, they gave me my pet deposit back when I turned in my truck.

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IKnowItCanSeeMe@reddit

I work here currently, and I've also worked for other megas, and I have had no issues here. I was even on my lunch, skys were getting dark, so I checked the weather. Just north of me (in my path) was predicted to have some violent storms, possibly tornadoes. So I contacted my manager, he told me to just shut down for the night and if needed, he would get my ETA updated, didn't even try to grief me. Even if this were true, at the last place I worked, I helped grab abandoned trucks and loads (small 70 truck outfit), and the way some people left their trucks were absolutely gnarly. Like, could be considered hazmat with the tractor itself, just disgusting. I have not heard of this policy or any mention of it, if I do, I will come back and admit that I'm wrong. But, for everyone hating, idk. I've been treated well, I've made decent money, facilities (not a fan of Pittston) are nice, as far as a mega, it would really be tough to beat.

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chicopepsi@reddit

We should just not work for these companies. As soon as they say “oh we take X amount of money from each paycheck until we reach X amount of dollars”, we should just hung up the call right there and call another company. From all of the drivers I know that worked for companies that took escrow from their paycheck, only 1 of them got his money back after leaving. All of The others just lost their money. But the problem is that there is always the new drivers that are still learning the industry, and the drivers that didn’t take care of their license and don’t have many options.

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nasdawg77@reddit

Well if a company is this petty then wouldn't work for them. I mean I get it there is slobs out there, but deal with them on their last check. No way 1k cost to clean a truck.

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ResponsibilityTop732@reddit

Its not fake. My buddy is going through this right now at Prime

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buddhathebard@reddit (OP)

Tell your buddy to get tf out

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ResponsibilityTop732@reddit

He is, he's going to Maverick next week

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Lone_Wanderer2076@reddit

Ca n they use more rand om spa ces?

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Tankou_Pa_Gen_Lot@reddit

Pet deposit. Used to not be that way but some nasty mfs left some trucks that literally needed hazmat crew to clean. I was once sent to recover one in FL and it was so bad that they towed it back to Missouri instead.

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Financial-Prize9691@reddit

Dude, I tried to keep my truck clean with a dog. I had no idea how bad he shed. Under my bunk in the toolbox it looked like I had a carpet. I sold one of my trucks and the guy that bought it from me and I had to completely take the interior apart to clean all the dog hair out. It worked out because he wanted to put some insulation in and got me to help.

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20milliondollarapi@reddit

Meanwhile my company paid me like 240 miles to bobtail and dint complain. Yet they will penny pinch in other ways it’s so very odd.

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Patalos@reddit

Uh... what the hell? Jobs try this shit all the time. They cannot legally do this. They can FIRE you for damage you cause to the vehicle, and they can absolutely take you to civil court over damage you may have done to their vehicle, but holy shit do not ever let an employer pre-fine you. Have some self-respect.

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FishermansPlatter@reddit

Your state? Bruh- just take care of your truck- why are you so bent on standing up against accountability. This company has probably paid out 100,000+ in cleaning fees from drivers who have destroyed the interior of trucks.

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Patalos@reddit

Nice try, John Corporation. Take me to court with a lawyer or suck my nuts.

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FishermansPlatter@reddit

You get the money back? Maybe you should direct your anger towards something that is important- not that I would expect you or any other mouth breather to know what that is.

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Patalos@reddit

Oh boy, I get the money back that \*should not have been taken from me in the first place.\* You need someone next to you when you sign your contracts in the future my man because you do not have what it takes.

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FishermansPlatter@reddit

If the chef was pissing on the ground in the kitchen and constantly destroying the property, than yes. Who raised you? Smh

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Patalos@reddit

Oh, so you’re actually almost so close. I’m sure you could get it if you try just a little bit harder. You see if the chef is doing all of that, that is when you fire them or go after them civilly for damages! You don’t then tell every other chef you hire they need to pre-pay in case they also start pissing everywhere and destroying property. You see the difference? And why, you envious? Clearly I was raised to have a bit of a backbone. Might seem odd when you spend your working day with your tongue on someone else’s boot, but it does help in the long run.

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FishermansPlatter@reddit

Forced accountability for those who grew up never having had witnessed it or been demonstrated or modeled to them by anyone who was supposed to be accountable for them.

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NekoboyBanks@reddit

Bro, please stop sucking the boot. People like you are the reason we can't build class solidarity.

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FishermansPlatter@reddit

Yeah, it’s people like me. Right.

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FishermansPlatter@reddit

Clearly that’s why and how laws are made- and why the only binding document of “law” isn’t the Ten Commandments. Keep holding that steering wheel driver.

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DrillTheThirdHole@reddit

boo hoo for the multimillion corporation that keeps getting sued for nickel and diming its own workers

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icodyonline@reddit

It’s essentially the same thing as a security deposit on an apartment. You return the truck no damage you get your money back otherwise they use the deposit to pay for the repairs. It is not illegal.

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DrillTheThirdHole@reddit

my landlord isnt drug testing me and spying on me through always-on cameras to make sure i drive my apartment safely on the freeway, jim

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bmf1989@reddit

This isn’t an apartment and a company driver isn’t leasing a truck to live in. The owner of a business takes on the risk of damage to company property, not employees.

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FishermansPlatter@reddit

The people that are arguing against this, are the problem.

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afteralpha98@reddit

I work for Prime as a company driver and I have not received this notification. In no way am I a shill for Prime inc, but this place has been great to me as a new driver starting off. The only thing I didn’t agree with is having to pay for load locks and chains. I think as a company driver that should’ve been paid for by the company.

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deadbeataunt@reddit

straight outta the 1099 slav playbook

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GroundbreakingSir386@reddit

Never claimed fault for anything you do. Prime makes huge money hand over fist and pay you less then $4k a month

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stripperjnasty@reddit

Less?!?!?!?

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RedlineM5@reddit

Only people I knew at Prime making that wouldn't have done any better elsewhere.

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Major_Failure2@reddit

Man the amount of stuff I know prime does to their drivers should make anyone consider working elsewhere. I did my year with them and a little more. Can't exactly say I'd recommend the company to people beyond getting a cdl and leaving.

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DiegoPapi6@reddit

I personally know drivers who have gone through the entire hiring process and shipped out to Salt Lake City and on their 2nd day of being there…. they decided to GTFO of there 😮‍💨

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PlymouthSea@reddit

SLC alone is enough to make someone want to bail.

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Sicc-man21215@reddit

I did exactly the same thing. Prime Inc. is a terrible company to work for. The truck payment is ridiculous, and there are so many other things I could point out.

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asparagus_piss_jug@reddit

What did they do to you?

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MuphDiesel@reddit

Yes show me on this doll where they touched you.

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Riiakess@reddit

This sub doesn't allow photos, which is lame. I colored in a stick figure and its wallet 😂. Prime bear hugs every driver real tight while they empty the driver's wallet.

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SamuraiJono@reddit

Jokes on you, I'm into findom

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Riiakess@reddit

No kink shaming here, lol. I looked into being a findomme at one point, but it's so boring to have to spend all day marketing oneself (online panhandling?). Way easier to just work a regular job.

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SamuraiJono@reddit

Haha I'm actually super not into it, I'm bad with money and I don't like giving it away to begin with lmao. But same, no shame to anyone on either side of it

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Riiakess@reddit

And here I thought I finally hit the jackpot. I was in the middle of writing my resignation letter 😭 "Found stable income, I quit". Good thing I came back to check Reddit before I hit submit, whew. Seriously though, I can't wrap my head around how someone would WANT to give away what they earned for the sake of it.

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SamuraiJono@reddit

Hahaha sorry to disappoint! Being my findomme would be anything but stable income though lmao. Every few weeks I'm like "I got $3"

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Riiakess@reddit

I'd have to file for unemployment on those weeks!

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MuphDiesel@reddit

Now I’m hard. Thanks.

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Riiakess@reddit

My deepest welcome

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Frequent_Rest_5994@reddit

😲😲😆😆😂😂😂😂

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Castro0815@reddit

That's what i did

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Pale-Contest-340@reddit

Thats nuts!

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BeenThruIt@reddit

This is what happens when the CFO becomes the CEO.

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Alecvinrvra@reddit

It's not typed very well

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TheElitist921@reddit

I mean. Did they fuck up the interior of the truck...?

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Frogspoison@reddit

Yea, that's illegal and counts as wage theft. Sadly, this is fucking America, and you gotta go to small claims over that shit.

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LoopDoGG79@reddit

They warn you before getting the job this will happen. I personally would be saying thanks, but no thanks. Plenty of jobs out there that don't stoop to this low

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icodyonline@reddit

This is not illegal. It’s the same thing as a security deposit on an apartment. If you return the truck with no damage, you get your money back.

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ToyotaYaristotle@reddit

It’s not illegal but it’s not common or anything like a security deposit. You could utterly wreck a Swift truck and smear shit on the interior for good measure. They still aren’t going to withhold your wages because it’s illegal.

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Ornery_Ads@reddit

Can you give a source for that? Prime Inc is based out of Missouri, so let's use that as our point of reference (that is most likely, but not always, the state whose laws will apply to a driver for them anyway). Missouri allows employers to deduct wages from W2 employees to cover losses caused by the employee (damage to equipment, parking fines, etc) provided that the wage after deduction doesn't violate flsa. Deposits are legal, and common, in cases where just getting a job provides the employee with substantial benefit and/or substantial cost to the employer. A common example would be immigrants coming in on an employer sponsored visa or people that need training/licensureb to do a job (such as a CDL). It's legal and common for trucking companies to put in your new hire documents that you owe a few thousand for training if you leave before 1 year. You are contracting to return the truck relatively clean. How is this different? Also, how is a deposit upfront different from after a violation?

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ToyotaYaristotle@reddit

Keeping/withholding employee wages for damage to equipment is not the same as a paid training contract, not at all common, and in plenty of states this would be illegal. Missouri is an outlier in permitting this.

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SamuraiJono@reddit

Nonsense, Missouri is a beacon of workers rights and protections probably

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Frogspoison@reddit

Oh ffs... Its no longer illegal. The limitations on deductions were removed in the BBB. As long as it doesn't reduce earnings below fed min wage, its now legal. So I am wrong. Good to know now, but goddamned.

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Tricky_Big_8774@reddit

They're leasing the truck.

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buddhathebard@reddit (OP)

It literally says in the msg that the person who posted is a company driver.

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Deodorized@reddit

Prime can't stay away from being involved in class action lawsuits.

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SalesAndMarketing202@reddit

The state is supposed to sue on your behalf for wage theft.

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ScottMach@reddit

It's not "industry standard" at all. Unless you have a pet. I've worked for a few larger companies and have never had anyone try this shit. If they had, I'd have parked their truck and hitchhiked home. But there's the problem. People let these horseshit companies abuse them. Not sure why, there are plenty of options...

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deezkeys098@reddit

By the time you finish training that will be paid for 🤣what is it 6 months with a trainer these days🤣

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Few-Chemical-5165@reddit

Their particular charge should be on every company truck. So that the moron drivers don't treat it like well, not their equipment. Because they can just destroy the interior of a truck. I'll give a damn when they turn it in.So yeah like a deposit in an apartment. You get it back if the apartment is in the same condition it was when given to you. Yeah, I agree.With this charge.Company drivers grow up and treating treat the equipment like it's yours.

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Capital-Sorbet652@reddit

Why does a company that’s so cheap, option their trucks in such vivid colors? And spend the extra money on decals and so on? You’d think they’d run white trucks with black cladding.

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DrGambitt@reddit

I'm glad I won't be here # Prime very long. As soon as I get my box truck I'm heading back south running under my cousin's dog/MC for his dispatcher service

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DaphneBerryShake@reddit

Can confirm. But a little story time.. When I first got assigned a truck after training, they put me in a 22 Pete with like 330k miles. Didn’t mention that the lease they had on it was up in a month. So that month went by, I had a load deliver near the terminal. They were like bring that truck by the terminal, the lease is up on it, we’re putting you into a different truck.. When I returned it back to them I cleaned it up better than how I got it to my abilities. They tried charging me a $200 cleaning fee for the carpet in the sleeper being dirty. I told them hell naw. I was in that truck for about a month, the truck has around 340k miles on it, I cleaned that truck up better than how I received it, and that the carpet was dirty when I got in it so I put a little rug down to not get my socks dirty since I couldn’t clean the carpet cause it was so saturated. They ended up refunding me back the charge thankfully. On top of that, they charge you for everything they can. Including all the necessary stuff to do the job that they require. Load locks, door locks, air cuff locks, detention stamp, tire chains etc. IMO, as company driver making .50¢/mi that shit should all be provided. I recently also learned that if you go company flatbed, they charge you roughly $5k for all the supplies to do that job also. Like tarps, bungees, straps, chains, coil bunks, binders etc.

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Kershaws_Tasty_Ruben@reddit

The reason why you were charged for the cleaning is a feature not a flaw in their system. It’s a feature because the staff in that department gets a percentage of the fees charged to the driver returning the tractor. It benefits both Prime and the staff because the staff is more inclined to nitpick about what is and isn’t chargeable. I’m convinced that the business model has a component of hitting each driver for a few dollars each month as an added revenue stream. Good on you for fighting for the money. But, if you stayed on at Prime for any length of time they got their money out of you somehow.

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MarmotWorldOrder@reddit

I understand why that driver did that thing to the owner of a company a few months back over unpaid wages. As Bernie Mac would say, "I don't condone it, but I understand."

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IndexFingerTypist@reddit

This feels fake, all fleet wide messages usually end with a thanks, and the title of whatever department they are in. I have yet to receive this message.

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JeepersCreepersV12@reddit

There's definitely some context missing. Roehl does this but for the in cab pet, which imo is understandable.

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st_psilocybin@reddit

why do th ey. Write like Epst=in?

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Environmental-Pear40@reddit

I'm not a lawyer but that feels extremely illegal. If I was at prime I would be talking to a lawyer. Though, I'm pretty sure only the new and the desperate work at prime.

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Late-Recognition5587@reddit

I make a nickel, they make a dime.... If someone seriously damages a company truck, their lawyers can seek restitution. This is just a way to steal from their drivers.

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tvieno@reddit

I get why a company would take a deposit on their equipment. But what bugs me is the $250 per check. $250 is a big chunk of change, even more so when it is four weeks in a row. Since they are already gonna do it, they should at least make it a more tolerable dollar amount for the deduction.

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edsavage404@reddit

Prime said yall keep tearing up our equipment lol

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robexib@reddit

Pay in bananas, you get monkeys.

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buddhathebard@reddit (OP)

Then train better? idk.

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NakedAggression@reddit

Fuck megas, I understand people use them for their first year, but we need to not endorse this behavior by not working for them

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robexib@reddit

An attorney would be salivating at the chance to represent a driver in that case, because holy shit, is that not a massive admission of wage theft

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Rodeo6a@reddit

I don't agree with the deposit at all but it is legal. It falls under "substantial benefit" labor clause for DOT. You sleeper cab lawyers who say otherwise are wrong.

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RebelTvshka@reddit

The deposit is legal, what they consider "excessive detailing" is debatable. It's company equipment that an employee is using. It's going to have "wear and tear" and it's going to get dirty, that's common. It's no different than giving an office area to an office employee. The office employee doesn't empty trash, dust their space, or detail the office. To expect another employee to do more without compensation is ridiculous, as it always has been.

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adventure_dog@reddit

prime was the only place that never gave me the money back.

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Parking-Signature867@reddit

Im glad my company doesn't do this. My thought is they want thr drivers to take care of their equipment

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Titanium_81@reddit

Am I the only one here that sees this is full of errors? If this was real it would have been typed up by a company lawyer and had something called proofreading it. Then it would have been distributed by driver managers. Or operations, either way it would not look like a person with a fourth grade education sent it out. I would not be surprised if this was sent by someone who hacked their system or another driver on a tablet figured out how to send fleet wide. If it is real, prime should be ashamed of the policy and embarrassed at the level of effort the officer personnel put into their jobs.

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MatrixUserNumberJuan@reddit

This was probably a Qualcomm message

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tan_w@reddit

Probably sent out by a fleet manager and yes, they type like that and it’s very unprofessional.

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Hairy-Internal2307@reddit

People will get prime tattoos

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Castro0815@reddit

Scam

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Alive_to_Thrive5@reddit

Yeah go ahead and get yourself a lawyer to sue them, unless you signed a contract regarding interior alterations with their company trucks they can't take pay out of your paycheck for whatever they are causing you of, and honestly once you do that you probably should start looking for another company cuz you won't be working there anymore. Not sure why people still go and work for prime after endless lawsuits regarding pay, deception, decriminalization..etc

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SUPRA239@reddit

Good indicator to go ahead and look for work elsewhere at that point

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MundaneWhile9456@reddit

Great. Now they have started a trend others will start to do. Cant believe they're charging a cleaning deposit for the cab. But then again, after seeing how some these guys out here live I wouldn't want to have clean our their trucks after they left either. Better just to blow up the truck.

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Groundbreaking-Emu64@reddit

Yoooo are they going broke ? 😭😭 what mega company says this

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Aimless_Nobody@reddit

My company in the pacific northwest did this. I successfully sued (class action) and won back pay for all the drivers. Get a good attorney with experience.

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buddhathebard@reddit (OP)

Dang, good for you man (and/or woman). Prime just loves them class actions.

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FishermansPlatter@reddit

People are disgusting and disrespectful, seems pretty straight forward

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Koreatown94@reddit

😂😂😂😂😂

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