[AMMO] MONARCH 9MM $49.49/250rds - 20cpr (Spend $300+ Online Only)
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Everyone may want to consider how Academy failed to address claim that Monarch ammo blew up someone's Glock.
https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/1rvwaw9/dealing_with_ammo_company_that_blew_up_my_gun/
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Purchased 1000 rnds of the 124 NATO Brass Case (also on sale @\~$.21 CPR w/ 5% off on orders over $200) and the whole bit turned out to be BPS so not all that bad. Cheaper than anything I could find elsewhere and same day pick up was a range day saver.
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I can’t find the 124 nato, are you referring to the Winchester?
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I am not. They sell 124grn NATO. Check the site.
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SurreptitiousMuggle@reddit
For anyone wondering. I ordered about 5 days ago and it just arrived. and it’s all turkey ammo 😭.
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
Which headstamp? ZSR, BPS, or TRN?
SurreptitiousMuggle@reddit
TRN. Not sure if that’s good or bad lol?
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
You can search for TRN in this subreddit and other website forums for feedback. I never shot any TRN. I received ZSR for BF 2024 sale. Just watch for weak loads that do not cycle or may cause squibs. Also watch for rounds that are loaded too hot. I get 1 or 2 rounds per hundred that fail to fire due to either hard primers or defective primers. I generally am the only one that shoots my ZSR ammo. I give or sell my Blazer ammo to family and friends to shoot. I don't plan to buy any more Monarch 9mm brass ammo online as long as there is a chance of getting more ammo from Turkey. I would rather pay a little more to get ammo from just about any other country.
I think the quality of the Turkish ammo likely varies from lot number to lot number so some get okay ammo and some may not.
SurreptitiousMuggle@reddit
Thanks for the info! I’ll proceed with caution then. Glad I know what to look out for. Definitely won’t be buying any more monarch either. I took a gamble on this stuff but off of the comments here I thought I had a good chance of getting Brazilian made. Oh well.
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
One can also look for damage to spent cases during extraction and watch out for popped primers. To be extra careful you could check each spent case for unusual damage after firing each one and then after the first mag just check after firing off an entire mag. I never went that far though. I have a Garmin chrono that I use whenever I get some new ammo that I may not fully trust at first. My ZSR 115gr ammo various in muzzle speed from about 1000 FPS to 1200 FPS. 1000 FPS is enough to get my pistols to operate properly but no 115gr should ever have a subsonic muzzle velocity. No 9mm ammo should have a muzzle speed spread of 200 FPS.
Don't rapid fire at first in case you have any squibs.
I almost took a gamble and ordered it too but I really have enough 9mm to last me for quite a while so I don't need to gamble.
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I’ve bought about 4-5k rounds of the 115 grain brass and steel when it’s been on sale and it’s all been made in Brazil. When the 124 grain went on sale, I took a chance and ordered 1.5k rounds. It’s all made in turkey.
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
I started watching reports of Monarch ammo back in early 2024 and all reports were that all of it is from Turkey. I don't know when Academy switch from PPU or other sources to Turkish ammo for the 124gr ammo.
Did you buy the 115gr in store or online?
Essentials-@reddit
I’ve bought all of it online but the 115 grain I bought was made in Brazil. I remember seeing on Reddit from older posts that people were getting all made in Turkey for 115grain.
Prodigal_One@reddit
Recently too bought lots of the 115gr and 124gr when they were on sale. 115gr store pick was Brazilian. 124gr delivered was Turkish.
blitz4x@reddit
So is this Brazil or turkey?
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
Could be either
blitz4x@reddit
You're retarded
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
You're blocked.
Tactical_Tubesock@reddit
I wonder if Brazil or Turkey
SurreptitiousMuggle@reddit
Just got it today. It’s turkey 😭
Tactical_Tubesock@reddit
eh, what's the worst that can happen
SurreptitiousMuggle@reddit
Yea I’m gonna send it. Probably just Reddit being Reddit. I’m sure it’s fine lol. The reviews on academy said it was good to go
charsons@reddit
I’ve picked up like 3 orders of brass over the past few. First one had 2/5 boxes of Turkey and the other two were 100% Brazil
Prodigal_One@reddit
124gr was Brazilian?
charsons@reddit
All 115 grain I’m a cheap bastard
Legitimate-Simple-98@reddit
I ordered some a week or two ago and it was all Magtech (Brazil)
Prodigal_One@reddit
125gr or 115gr?
Legitimate-Simple-98@reddit
115gr, the ones on sale.
Prodigal_One@reddit
Thanks. The 124gr is on sale too. Prefer 124gr ammo because I have a few comped guns.
Tylerlg@reddit
For all my local stores the entire stock has gone back to Brazilian which we know is likely just Magtech.
I’d also chime in to say the steel case seems to be just as good as the brass (as long as you don’t care about collecting your brass).
Have shot about 1k rounds of the steel case in the past month and haven’t had a single issue. I honestly have better experiences with Monarch (the Brazilian cases at least) than I have with Blazer/Winchester white box.
Prodigal_One@reddit
Your local stores have 124gr from Brazil?
Tactical_Tubesock@reddit
Regarding your last sentence: me too. Stopped buying whitebox. Still buying blazer. Let the downvotes begin.
Tylerlg@reddit
If I can get Blazer 147 at a decent price I’ll still occasionally buy it. But when I can expect a few bad primers every 100 rounds it really makes me look elsewhere. Maybe I was just getting boxes from a bad batch, but in my experience the quality has really dropped off over the past two years with Blazer.
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
I saw more reports of issues with Blazer Brass ammo in the last year. One complaint was setback projectiles.
Tylerlg@reddit
Yep. I’ve had setback projectiles and some that fell right out of the casing. Yet people still want to argue with me that Monarch isn’t good because some dude in the comments blew their gun up apparently but also apparently have no idea how/why it happened.
As always YMMV but I’d rather shoot Brazilian monarch that has been perfectly fine versus paying more for blazer which consistently has given me problems.
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
I have some Brazilian (Magtech) Monarch but only shot about one box because I later got ZSR from Turkey and I want to use the Turkish ammo up before my Magtech or my Blazer. I have had no issues with Blazer but my supply is from 2023 and maybe one order from 2024 before I saw any postings appear regarding issues. I give or sell the Blazer to relatives or friends when I take them to the range and use the ZSR for myself. My only issue with the ZSR ammo has been the muzzle velocity variance of between 1000 to 1200 FPS in a 5" barrel.
I bought some Monarch (Magtech) 5.56 from Academy in 2024. It is reliable but it does not group as well as PMC X-TAC in my rifles so I have no interest in buying any more of it.
wick14@reddit
Ordered a month ago. It was all Turkish
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
Thanks for the warning. I think a few claimed to receive ammo from Brazil for their orders but that was more than a month ago. I got ZSR ammo for my order for their BF 2024 sale so don't want to risk getting any more after testing that ammo.
I have read more claims of mostly ammo from Brazil on store shelves. I wonder if they are directing the better ammo to the stores after finding out customers were buying it and leaving the Turkish ammo on the shelves.
Optimal-Bat-8144@reddit
Every time I’ve bought it the 124 is Turkish and the 115 is Brazilian
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
The 124gr was reported to all be from Turkey for the last several years. I read about it back in early 2024.
XIIX3@reddit
Is there a difference or should i say problem with one or the other?
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
The The Turkish ZSR 115gr ammo I received from their 2024 BF sale has muzzle velocities of about 1000 to 1200 FPS in my 5" barrel. The is a huge range for muzzle speed and 115gr 9mm should never be subsonic. Some complained some of the ammo would not cycle their guns. It cycles in my firearms but I get one or two hard or defective primers with every 100 rounds fired.
Some have had no complaints with the TRN or maybe BPS Turkish ammo. I think Academy stopped buying one of those two after issues.
The made in Brazil ammo comes from Magtech and had MON headstamp.
Tylerlg@reddit
Turkish is dirty, some rounds seem hotter than others, and I generally would get a few bad primers a box. Brazilian has been flawless range ammo for me. YMMV but I’d recommend it highly for the price point.
Captain_Cannabis_@reddit
Brazil is rebranded Magtech and is actually good bulk range ammo. Turkish is dogshit
Tactical_Tubesock@reddit
I bought some Turkish in the past and it was very dirty powder and super inconsistent. Half the casings were one color, the other half was another as if they were from two different batches but years apart
brawneisdead@reddit
Turkish is dangerously inconsistent
Error_506@reddit
Nope, I actually prefer the Turkish for competition because they are unpowered so they recoil slightly less.
Tasty-Research-6767@reddit
I'm 95% sure on this, but it's made in Brazil. I've bought like 5000 rounds worth of this stuff in store and they sell them in flimsy paper like packages (made in Turkey) and cardboard like packages as listed here. The cardboard-like package was always listed as made in Brazil.
Worst I've ever had are light primer strikes.
alexmg2420@reddit
Lately it's been Brazil.
-Fried-@reddit
My local store had the Brazil made one last time I bought but before that it was the Turkish. Just gotta inspect
nicks_account@reddit
My local academy doesn’t even stock the Turkish 115 anymore
harambesjustice@reddit
Will they take returns? If it ends up being the Turkish I would like to return/exchange it
cosmoassmankramer@reddit
No one takes returns on ammo.
harambesjustice@reddit
I wonder, do you think if they tried to give the Turkish kind I could refuse pick up? Sorry I know you're not the arbiter of such things, just asking in general, maybe someone has had this experience.
brawneisdead@reddit
Monarch 9mm catastrophically blew up my friends Walther P1 a few months back
Hanshi-Judan@reddit
I hope the friend was ok. I won't be buying this.
Tylerlg@reddit
Every comment has literally said this is reliable if you just take the time to check the box to verify it says made in Brazil. But do you, brother…
Hanshi-Judan@reddit
The comment connected to this stated it blew up a gun so before you make snide comments read what you are replying to.
Tylerlg@reddit
One anecdotal story doesn’t change my experience shooting thousands rounds over the last few years of what is just Magtech ammo.
Could it happen? Sure. Do I feel the Brazilian Monarch is any more likely to do it than blazer or white box? Nope.
Not making a snide comment, just being realistic.
Hanshi-Judan@reddit
Glad it has worked for you but don't get ass hurt because someone doesn't want to buy or use what you like
brianstheman@reddit
But this is online only....so how you gonna check the box?
Tylerlg@reddit
Store pickup. Or just go in the store and pay the fraction of a penny more per round at the normal price. It’s still usually cheaper than anything else around.
Prodigal_One@reddit
If you buy bulk your local stores might not won't have the supply forcing for delivery but it's only 8bucks regardless the quantity. Worst case you can return it in store for a refund if you don't get made in Brazil.
brawneisdead@reddit
Not sure why you were downvoted. Yeah there were 6 of us at the range meet snd we just heard “pop pop POP” and looked over and the top of the slide over the chamber had just blown out upwards, he was standing beneath a pop-up tent for cover (rainy day) and there was shrapnel holes all over the roof of the tent. We were all shocked. Never seen something like that. No injuries, Walther designed it to explode upwards thankfully. He rebuilt it with a spare slide and small parts out of spite.
Hanshi-Judan@reddit
Im unsure why the down votes lol people these days. The friend was so lucky and glad he is ok.
brawneisdead@reddit
I made the same comment three times in this thread, two of them got 40+ upvotes, the other one got -4 downvotes 😂 reddit gonna reddit
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
Was it due to over pressure round or squib?
I am not sure I trust any Turkish ammo for rapid fire due to risk of squib. My BF 2024 order of ZSR 115gr ammo has muzzle speed from 1000 to 1200 in a 5" barrel.
brawneisdead@reddit
We suspect overpressure but I couldn’t say for certain.
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
Which headstamp did the ammo have? ZSR, BPS, or TRN?
My 115gr ZSR ammo from BF 2024 sale has a low of weak rounds. Muzzle speed from 5" barrel varies from 1000 to 1200 FPS. I did read reports that either BPS or TRN had some hot rounds. I do not recall which.
brawneisdead@reddit
TRN. Inconsistently loaded. Honestly, probably fine for modern firearms, but hard to recommend, not worth saving one or two cents per round
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
I agree regarding not worth saving 1 or 2 cents a round. But many postings will have someone report firing 1000 rounds or more with no issue. I believe some get lucky but not all.
HyperbaricGasChamber@reddit
This one comment made me hesitate
theicarusambition@reddit
All the monarch on my stores shelves are made in Brazil not Turkey. Ive shot literally thousands of rounds of the Brazilian Monarch without a single issue, and the Turkish I have shot didnt cause me any problems either 🤷
cosmos7@reddit
How do you tell the difference?
-Fried-@reddit
It’s marked on the box
theicarusambition@reddit
The Turkish ammo smells like kebab and the Brazilian smells like churrasco (its printed on the back of the box "Made in Turkey/Made in Brazil").
Interesting-Win6219@reddit
I have very strong suspicion Brazilian monarch is just reboxed magtech. The head stamp is the same and the projectiles shape and color are identical. The primers are also the same color and both have a weird blocky U shape on them. I've shot ass loads of magtech and have 0 issues. Id never buy the made in Turkey monarch but if the box on the shelf says brazil I think it's a great deal.
pitcherintherye77@reddit
This has been common knowledge for a while
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
Yes, common knowledge since I started reading all the postings starting in early 2024.
Bravos_Chopper@reddit
I’ve sent 750 rounds of Brazilian monarch down range with no issues, outside of it being dirty
ProxySoxy@reddit
If you have any hesitations, buy it in store and only buy the Brazilian ones. Brazil-made is good to go
BIGNFRM@reddit
I stocked up on monarch a while back and it’s been nothing but issues. Nothing I have shoots it well.
brawneisdead@reddit
Yeah no worth it to save 1-2cpr vs other brands
Motampd@reddit
Ive been strict about ONLY picking up the CBC/Magtec stuff that's made in Brazil. Probably shot about 1250-ish so far with no issues.
This is exactly what im afraid of with the ZSR and BPS made stuff...
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
My ZSR ammo from BF 2024 sale has some weak rounds and no hot rounds. Muzzle speed varies from 1000 to 1200 in a 5" barrel. I did read that either TRN or BPS had some rounds that felt too hot.
Majestic_Bar5024@reddit
Wow. Yeah okay I’ll pass on it then. I was just thinking of stopping by academy to pick up a box today too.
Tylerlg@reddit
Just make sure it says made in Brazil on the box. Or just pay more for blazer/white box which in my experience both have had worse QC than Brazilian Monarch. 🤷🏻♂️
Triggerz777@reddit
I used thousands of rounds through akv and Springfield prodigy. No issues but maybe I'm lucky?
brawneisdead@reddit
Yeah just sharing what I know. It was a hot Turkish round. Maybe fine in modern guns and dangerous in older designs?
cltnthecultist@reddit
Sounds like you felt the sting of the mighty monarch
Thin_Complaint_7532@reddit
Goated comment. Go Team Venture. ✌️
Appropriate_Till6129@reddit
No one gets the drop on the Monarch!
Inner_Tea1442@reddit
I've consistently brought monarch from Academy Sports and shots Atleast 1k through my MP 2.0...never has so much as a malfunction with them...weird.
EfficientBum@reddit
I'm good then
Salt_Bringer@reddit
Just picked up some at my local store. It was all Brazil. YMMV
Duo007@reddit
Picked this up today, my box says Brazil 👌
nationalspice@reddit
For local pickup + stack 5% with their card makes blazer 115 21cpr
skt4271@reddit
thats a great deal
blackjoker4077@reddit
If so many people keep having issues with the Turkish stuff breaking their pistols, why hasn't anyone started a class action yet? Seems the logical route.
cosmoassmankramer@reddit
I don’t want to call anyone a liar but I suspect there’s a lot more to each story of a kaboom. I’ve shot thousands of Academy Monarch without an issue.
Tylerlg@reddit
This. I’m going to assume it’s a lot more human error than “gun exploded because Turkish ammo”
SurreptitiousMuggle@reddit
Looks like this is any ammo $300 from academy. This could decent deal. Gonna peep what else they have
PlantSimilar2598@reddit
U found any?
SurreptitiousMuggle@reddit
Eh nothing too crazy. You can get cci blazer for $315 shipped for 1400 rds. So like 22.5cpr
PlantSimilar2598@reddit
I didnt get that, looks like it was 312 for 1300 rnds so more like 24cpr
SurreptitiousMuggle@reddit
I had 7 200 boxes so 1400
amdPCbro@reddit
I did the same. Picking up from my local store today for 22.41cpr. 1450 rounds. That’s a great deal to me to get this quickly
GenericAccount672@reddit
2k of steel for 381 after taxes picked up.
PlantSimilar2598@reddit
Which round is that
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
The 115gr Monarch steel case is from Magtech
SurreptitiousMuggle@reddit
Maybe I need a reality check. I haven’t bought since November. I got a case of 1000 magtech for $215 shipped then. I was holding out for a better deal. Are those days gone?
DrNinjaPandaManEsq@reddit
I don’t think this is like an exceptional deal or anything but I haven’t seen anything for 21cpr or less in a hot minute.
amdPCbro@reddit
I thought 22cpr was good, but thats a great deal
amdPCbro@reddit
That’s a pretty good deal imo
CZFanboy82@reddit
Bought it for a couple years in store when it was sourced from Brazil, decent stuff. Now my store carries Turkish garbage that is EXTREMELY dirty, and loaded like 124 +p++++
Gremguy22@reddit
Brazilian Magtech - 115 9mm. Larger thicker cardboard boxes, pointy bullet jackets. Brass and steel case zinc look the same with the exception of the case color and composition. 45 ACP 50 Rounds boxes also Magtech
Turkish BPS & ZSR - 115 9mm & 124 NATO. Thinner cardstock boxes. Higher failure rate with harder primers.
Serbian PPU 40SW & 45 ACP & 223/556 - New Old stock. Thicker older boxes. No longer being imported to my knowledge. Good stuff.
Tasty-Research-6767@reddit
I've shot almost 5000 rounds of these. The worst I've gotten are a few light primer strikers. I'll say it's gtg.
If the package is flimsy paper like, it's almost always made in Turkey. Looks like this one is more of a cardboard-like package, which would be made in Brazil... Rebranded magtech.
I'm 95% sure, but just my 2C
bkharbin@reddit
How many of the malfunctions are because the projectile was pushed back into the case causing a overpressure. I know I have seen Both Aluminum and Steel case do this quite often.
SurreptitiousMuggle@reddit
Ended up sending it for 5 monarch boxes and 1 cci to hit the $300 spend. $314.18 shipped 1450 @ 21.6cpr. This shit better be Brazil lol
Grey_Buddhist@reddit
I have used Turkish brands recently with zero issues. Roughly 100-180 rounds each, different handguns and an ar9. ZSR 115gr and SAR 124gr. Just my two cents.
ZSR from ammomart SAR from SARUSA.
VallettaAwoo@reddit
It's the same price in store.
Daledo126@reddit
Best bet is to go in person if you can and look at the boxes yourself for the Brazilian Magtech stuff. I've shot thousands of rounds of it and not a single issue. My academy doesn't stock any 115 grain Turkish ammo, they only stock the 124 grain as Turkish stuff. I cannot speak for every academy though so online may still be a gamble.
DUCK_FACE_JONES@reddit
Who fucking cares if it's brazil at this point
Impossible-Chance993@reddit
The turkish is damaging guns
DUCK_FACE_JONES@reddit
Is there documented cases on the youtubes , I know zsr blew up a m1a fr galactic force dude but where are the 9mm issues
mojobolt@reddit
there are more instances of psa aac ammo harming guns than the turk or brazil stuff.
BenDover42@reddit
I know I’ve shot thousands of rounds of monarch 115 and NATO through my Glocks and Beretta 92 and CC9. Had two primers that wouldn’t go and that was it. I buy the nato spec when it’s this price but I’d say 75% or more has been 115 grain which in my experience is mainly Brazilian and the NATO is usually Turkish but admittedly I don’t always check.
There’s a trade off for cheap ammo and I can shoot more of this than “premium” range ammo so I stick with this myself. If it kabooms one of my many Glocks I guess it’s the price I pay to be able to shoot more. But it’s possible that literally any brand of range ammo could do that although some are more likely.
Tactical_Tubesock@reddit
I do. Had bad experience with the Turkish one, not with the Brazil made
Buttoshi@reddit
What was the experience? It blew up the gun?
Tactical_Tubesock@reddit
No
I bought some Turkish in the past and it was very dirty powder and super inconsistent. Half the casings were one color, the other half were another as if they were from two different batches but years apart
mojobolt@reddit
the turkish stuff has been great for me, dirty yes, but really good cheap fodder. Believe Henderson Battlefield Vegas has gone through pallets and pallets of the stuff with zero issues.....per them on arfcom
SpamStitch@reddit
Yeah don’t buys this shit. Some of the Turkish ammo blew up my glock a coupe months ago and still waiting on Academy to do something about it.
OkDesign252@reddit (OP)
At my local Academy the 250 115GR was all Brazilian. Its still a risk since you are ordering online and can't inspect before. It looked like the 100 124GR was mainly Turkish at my local store last time I went.
indianaj2009@reddit
Does it just say on the box made in Turkey vs made in Brazil?
Tylerlg@reddit
Yeah, on the side of the box I believe it will say “product of Brazil/turkey”
Callmechachi210@reddit
I've honestly never cared to look whats the issue?
I've got thousands of this monarch ammo both steel and brass through my staccato and glocks. No issues thus far
brawneisdead@reddit
Blew up my friend’s Walther P1 a few months back
second_ary@reddit
now that academy sells silencers i'ma need them to start finding me some cheap 147gr
LongoChingo@reddit
With tax this isn't really a good deal, especially for playing Turkey/Brazil roulette.
FischlandchipZ@reddit
is there any reason to go brass instead of steel for pistol ammo? I love the monarch/magtech steel ammo, runs in everything and shoots great…
TrAiNeD_MysTic@reddit
The only reason I’ve heard was that steel is rougher on your pistols internals? Maybe fudd lore idk.
Revolt2992@reddit
Not fudd lore. Steel is harder than brass.
redoggle@reddit
Indoor ranges often don't allow steel. Obviously that won't apply to everyone
I think you're not supposed to reload steel cases, but reloading cheap 9mm is probably a waste of time anyway
ManiacMatt287@reddit
Had a couple turkey ones last summer that were noticeably louder and with more recoil in my staccato P but all I’ve found recently has been Brazil with no issues
ManiacMatt287@reddit
(All 115gr)
99_To_Life@reddit
Will this blow up my Hi-Point? lol
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