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Throttle house - 2026 Czinger 21C Review

Posted by hi_im_bored13@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 37 comments

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQr7VtbpkYk How the fuck have they managed to do that, cant wait for these guys on gt, hell of a car

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Tjaden4815@reddit

I met Kevin Czinger and he brought this car with him. Huge self-absord prick. Couldn't stop talking about how he was reinventing everything. My technology is the greatest thing since sliced bread, blah blah. Very cool car and Divergent is a cool company, but what a piece of work the guy is.
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Manafont-@reddit

That’s evidenced by the fact that he named the company after himself despite the fact that there is a much better known Singer that plays for the same audience (despite being polar opposites).
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pckl300@reddit

They’re in the same building as Singer. They literally share a wall. Couldn’t make this stuff up.
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Jamesthrottlehouse@reddit

hmm, seems like we should have done a Singer video as well while we were there... ^hmmmm
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dannyphoto@reddit

# By god is that a Singer Turbo Study video coming?
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bikedork5000@reddit

Damn.... I'm really relieved to learn that the name is the guy's last name and not just a word they came up with in a whiteboard session.
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stoned-autistic-dude@reddit

Dude, the vibe I get from him in every single video I’ve seen is that he’s so far up his own ass he can lick his own tonsils. He’s just a rich kid who made a cool company and is now in tech bro status where he thinks he’s basically the god of his field. Seen it a dozen times. I don’t watch interviews with him anymore because he legit sounds insufferable. I’ve dealt with billionaires for a lot of my life at this point, both as a lawyer and now working on jets. I know that attitude so well I can spot it from across the runway. I’m good.
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Manafont-@reddit

Something about the bone suspension is unsettling. >I also find it mildly funny how they keep cutting to the pedals when it's like the most basic gyroid pattern you've ever seen. wonder if those get dirty Yeah I honestly don't remember the last car I have driven without gyroid pattern 3d printed alloy pedals. Really annoying trend these days.
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itsamemarioscousin@reddit

"Fun" fact on biomechanical design - in the 70s/80s they came up with isoelastic materials for hip arthroplasties; materials that had the same strength as the bone around them, meaning the bone around it wouldn't recede, weakening the joint. The issue is, bone is inherently too weak to do the job it does - it gets repaired/replaced naturally by the body over time as microfractures occur. Artificial bone replacements... don't. There were many lawsuits. Aaaanywayyy... not saying that will happen here; they'll obviously have added safety factors in the design, and be using materials suitable for the job. Just, that biomechanical engineering lecture always comes back to me when I see metal components shaped organically.
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pckl300@reddit

It’s like an HR Giger biomechanical aesthetic. Machine and biology fused into one. Great at triggering the uncanny valley feeling.
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SerialExperimentLean@reddit

It's like something you'd see in a David Cronenberg film
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bakedvoltage@reddit

https://xkcd.com/2501/
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minkus1000@reddit

I think OP is forgetting that it's novel to anyone who doesn't stare at their 3D printer infill all day. 
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wearymicrobe@reddit

It feels like CZinger built their tech to sell to other car companies and when nobody understood just how good it is. They said screw it and built a insane car just to put a fine point on it
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Recoil42@reddit

That's exactly what happened, they've said that upfront.
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wearymicrobe@reddit

I got to see some of the CAD tech they were pushing about 4 years ago. It was very interesting to material education but the additive manufacturing costs were unsustainable at our scale. We had zero idea they existed unlit a YouTube video similar to this. I wonder how patentable the CAD work they do now as a supplier for other OEMs. It feels like something that ML could attack pretty quick if you have the energy to roll your own.
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billthejim@reddit

Topology optimized structures aren’t anything crazy special nowadays. My understanding is that the actual manufacturing methods (printer tech) they use to make reliable parts are the real value add they bring 
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Dp04@reddit

They are owned (same family) but a company that specializes in additive manufacturing. They make all sorts of shit, including missile components. The car company is 100% a marketing exercise.
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caterham09@reddit

These kinds of cars are undoubtably cool regardless of what people on r/cars might say about every super/hypercar. That said I always wonder who these things are for. A 2-3m car is basically only going to be buyable by rich old men. Men who almost certainly can't get into the car based on how difficult it looked in the video. Even if they could, it's basically just a terrifying hyperfast go-kart. I always see these things and wonder why these things even need to be street legal, it feels like a pointless design constraint considering it'll probably see like 50 on road miles in it's lifetime.
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GimmeUrBusch@reddit

> That said I always wonder who these things are for. A 2-3m car is basically only going to be buyable by rich old men. Just like the Porsche 959. And the Countach. And the 288 GTO. Not everybody gets to afford nice things. But the world is a more interesting place with these unaffordable things in it.
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zerosystem03@reddit

Yea this is one of the few unobtanium cars I've been excited about in a long time
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yonly65@reddit

Perhaps we are the exception, but I know quite a few people like me who are both wealthy enough to buy this car, and have the skill and inclination to drive it as intended.
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MembershipNo2077@reddit

When you're at the wealth bracket to afford a $2.35 million car then you likely know other people who are as well; it's rare for the wealthy to have much interaction with the middle-class or the poor, which is both intentional and unintentional. So you are right in that you're the exception and your circle likely makes up a not insignificant percentage of the potential customer base.
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yonly65@reddit

I was principally reacting to the "people who can buy this car can't even get into it, much less drive it" quip. That may be a popular trope, but it's inaccurate. Go to any IMSA paddock and you'll find example after example of people in their 30s-60s who are the target combination wealthy, fit, car enthusiasts, and skilled drivers. I will, separately, note that my friend circle is more a function of how I grew up (decidedly not wealthy) than my current bracket, so the "it's rare for the wealthy to have much interaction with the middle-class or the poor" also ain't the case. I do think sometimes people over-generalize from the visible, negative examples of wealthy families, and miss the fact that many of us are simply \~normal people who now happen to have money.
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MembershipNo2077@reddit

Well yea, they exist, but my point was that there just aren't overly many of them. Not that you need a large market when you're selling a $2 million car. Low volume is perfectly fine for them. >also ain't the case Maybe your experience in that wealth bracket seems that way, but I think it certainly is the case. Now *obviously* this isn't a blanket statement, it takes all types after all. But as someone who interacts with the ultra wealthy frequently (mostly through my wife's family and some business stuff due to working in law), they think I'm the poor person with my cheap Emira. Most of them experience a "curated" world of entertainment and activities: they don't go to dive bars, their kids aren't friends with kids in poverty (hell, they don't even go to public schools) and so they'll never talk to parents struggling to put food on the table, and they definitely aren't dealing with the dude struggling to scrape together money to replace a tire on a clapped out NC Miata for autocross. And honestly, I find myself in a similar rut. I'm not $2 million car rich, but I am upper-middle class and if it wasn't for some of my hobbys having me run into people from every type of wealth bracket, I would probably fall into mostly interacting with other middle to upper-middle class folks.
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yonly65@reddit

Acknowledged, and I 100% believe there are a solid fraction of wealthy people who fit exactly the description you've given. I do wonder if there's some differentiation between people who were wealthy for all or much of their lives, and those who came into wealth later in their years, but that's just my own curiosity at this point.
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Mistercleaner1@reddit

A car like this? Withits focus on additive manufacturing and tech, it's for wealthy tech-bros more than rich old guys
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Montague-Withnail@reddit

It feels as much a tech demo as an actual car in it's own right to me. Personally I'm all for it and hope to see the tech trickle down into relatively attainable cars, and the aftermarket. Ignoring all Czinger's crazy 'AI' stuff I think additive manufacturing will be huge for aftermarket support on classic cars- imagine being able to just pull up a scan someone has done and 'print' almost any part you need.
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Docist@reddit

Of all the insanely expensive hyper-cars that are just pasting together components that exist to a fancy looking body, this is probably the car that should appeal most to the average enthusiasts. In theory this technology becoming scalable and coming down to normal enthusiast cars is going to be one of the biggest advancements to cars in recent years.
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yonly65@reddit

I had the chance to drive the 21C in late 2024. It's a fun car, feels like a new variant of the familiar fast turbo hybrid formula. It's nice to see it getting real road tests now, and the Throttle House video production is as always a delight to watch.
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Puff-Daddy-Sun@reddit

I think it’s more about the pedal linkage. Also aren’t Czinger the ones who’ve done those incredible almost nautical looking interiors? Now those look like 2 mil. This interior just looks sad for the price. I understand the focus on functionality and rawness, but it basically has no design or details. For 2 mil I’d expect more.
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Puff-Daddy-Sun@reddit

Okay my bad guys I was thinking of Spyker
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MentalMiilk@reddit

I feel like you're thinking of Spyker, but I could well have missed something.
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_Lyum@reddit

Youre thinking of Spyker
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madevilfish@reddit

The part at the end when all the kids are coming up to the car asking to take photos made me really happy. 
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amandatoryy@reddit

Czinger is one of the coolest brands out there right now. This is awesome.
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TERRADUDE@reddit

These boys have arrived. Congrats to the throttle house boys and their crew.
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