Also, most of the time it was already in autoexec.bat, so unless you exited Windows, did something in DOS, then wanted to open Windows again, you didn't have to type it at all
I had to have expressed permission to leave the house to play and I could not be very far from the house. I had to stay within the block, which was just a very short road with a cul-de-sac at the end. My brother was given more freedom, but I also grew up with an older autistic brother who could not be by himself, and sometimes an eight year old is the only choice to make sure a teenage autistic brother maintains his focus on his studies, instead of engaging in anything that would lead to accidents.
Warcraft II.
We had to modify the system.ini to disable smartdrv.exe file to free up enough RAM to play.
Then we'd call our friends to align on the modem settings like baud rate. Hang up, yell "nobody use the phone!" And press dial in the game.
You've met many now! Also it was popular enough to get a remake. Actually TWO remakes lol. The new remake is like 2ish year old. The OLD remake is I think 13 years old now. Dear lord haha.
My friend and I played it together connected via modem late night when we wouldn't get disconnected from somebody else calling our landlines. What a time to be alive.
Said it in another comment, but Myst. Didn't have a DOS version. Flight Commander 2 as well. Then lots of shovelware and more novelty type stuff. But definitely it wasn't until Windows 95 that the really serious games migrated away from DOS.
I grew up in a small town and the closest thing we had were LAN parties. I remember networking Doom with my buddy using dialup modems. It was really fun using a single phone line to establish the connection and try to troubleshoot problems.
It went something like this:
- Call friend, hold phone away from ear while his modem picks up and screeches at me
- "HEY MAN! PICK UP THE PHONE!"
- "Didn't work last time, try decreasing your baud rate and call me back"
- Hang up
- Wait for modems to renegotiate, fail, repeat...
This went on for an hour and by the time it worked neither of us wanted to play anymore.
Coax could be 10base2 Ethernet, sometimes called thin-net, Arc net, or Token ring. Actually it could be Thick net. (I can't remember the technical term for that
Lol token ring madness, losing a terminator plug and losing your mind... Those were the days
Carmageddon and Doom was why I booted in DOS most of the time, had a config.sys specifically for it, needed to change something related to HIMEM to start windows :)
Also, we used backslashes in DOS, not frontslashes
There were a couple dial up bbses in town with multiple lines.
The system could link up to eight people who dialed in to a game of Doom 2, Descent, or WarCraft. The performance was awful but the experience was amazing, given the times. Must have been 94 or 95 when i found out about it.
Cost $20 a month but included access to something called the internet. I dunno if it is going to catch on, there sure are a lot of protocols to install and coordinate just to read a publicly posted message. Kinda cool though!
(One of these companies successfully rebranded as a business hosting provider and only recently closed down when the owner retired and cashed out to a cloud company)
My high school had a bunch of 486 machines with graphics cards and math co processers for running Autocad. They all happen to also be networked together to share a plotter.
Somehow doom just happen to get installed on every computer. The teacher knew. His rule was as long as it was only used once work was done correctly, and no one told the school administration. He didn't care.
Fridays became Death match day. And even the teacher go involved.
>gaming cafes in your towns
No. Well maybe. Don't remember. But the guys in my software department would come in after hours to use the corporate network to play Doom on their workstations.
Our high school had weird half-day Wednesday where the school day started a few hours late. A couple other nerds and I took over the computer lab on those days (these computers were *networked* using a token ring system in the mid 90s!). We weren't allowed to leave the software installed, but we could keep the installer on the "server".
So first thing, we'd quickly copy the software of the day to every computer, then play fora few hours (getting yelled at to not get so loud). We started with Doom II (I believe). We also at various times played Heretic, Hexen, Rise of the Triad, and Quake.
I seem to remember also playing some heavily modded versions of Quake, where you could play as a bunch of different characters, including an extremely OP Predator that could stick to walls and auto-target other enemies.
Then before school would start, we'd wipe the games, shut down, and head out to grab a quick breakfast before going back to class.
I made DOS menus for my games with custom performance settings for each menu, depending on what I was going to do. I don’t have all those settings in my head any longer, but I think it was something with EMM386.EXE to access the rest of the RAM memory for DOS applications, beyond the standard limitation of a few hundred kilobytes. I was a tweenie when I configured those autoexec.bat and config.sys files. Learned a lot from the software tinkering (and some rookie QBASIC programming).
In my default autoexec I had it. I also had a floppy with custom autoexec and sysconfig to give the graphics card more memory and tweak other settings for playing games.
autoexec.bat was awesome, I would push the power button, go make a sandwich, come back, and windows 3.1 was loaded up and ready for Juno email and Dogz, and whatever else I was doing that day. Happy memories.
We didn’t have it set up that way. Widows was basically a novelty at that point was mostly useless. We used DOS if we wanted to actually _do_ anything. Windows couldn’t even launch any real games at that point.
Windows 3.x series quite literally created the desktop computer paradigm we still use to this day. OK, maybe "created" isn't the right word, more suitable would be: *"borrowed" from others and then popularized with masses.* Clipboard copy-pasting between apps, multitasking, high resolution support, true color support, international multi-language support.
Most staple apps still in use today appeared on Windows 3.x in the form we know them today. Most notably Word, Excel, later Office, AutoCAD, CorelDraw. It was Windows 3.1 that first got ports of famous Apple software: Photoshop, Pagemaker, etc.
It was Windows 3.1 that brought support for TrueType fonts, the same that are still in use today.
Keyboard shortcuts you use as default today, like Ctr+C, Ctrl+X, Ctrl+V? That didn't exist in DOS (every app had its own shortcuts), until Windows made them universal.
First functional web browsers were introduced to the masses on Windows 3.1.
DOS had raw performance and sometimes its single-tasking environment could be (and still is) almost relaxing to use. But in reality, by the early 90s it was hopelessly outdated OS. Windows was the way to go for productivity.
I think 3.11 was definitely a landmark OS, but from what I remember even just regular 3.0 had issues and everything before it was not great so it had a poor reputation for a long time. Hell people shit on Windows regularly even today so its a birthright at this point.
Thinking back to childhood, and what I actually do with it now, I think Myst was the really big killer thing that required Windows 3.1. AOL I think got heavy use as well and I don't think we ever had the DOS client installed.
I have to admit I have a fully functional Win 3.1 system running at home so have very recent first hand knowledge for firing up the system. Thrilled at the great convo in spawned!
Ours wasn't, so as a kid I always had to do like
```
C:\> cd windows
C:\> win
```
and then get the "ta-da!" followed by a driver failing to load and clicking the close button on the error window to go play missile command.
It is a little late to let you know now but having to do that first line means it wasn't set up right. The Windows directory should have been in the path, as defined in autoexec.bat. The installer should have done that but it might have gotten messed up later.
Funny enough my actual DOS / Win 3.1 system I use today has this, I have to CD into windows and then run the win command. I probably removed it by accident setting up something else and have never been bothered to change it. I mainly live in DOS world on it.
A leading backslash indicates the root directory of the current drive. So `\WIN` wouldn't work either, unless you have either installed Windows to your root directory, or have a `WIN.BAT` file in the root directory. Even if you have `C:\WINDOWS` in your path, it would still fail, because you'd be specifying an absolute filename, and it wouldn't do a path search in the first place.
Most of the time the backlash was not necessary iirc, but I usually used it as a separator bc I didn't really know what I was doing and sometimes the commands worked for me and sometimes they didn't, lol.
Do you remember subscribing to a game subscription service where they would come in the mail on floppy disks? There's this game that I remember which I think was called The Abyss that I was having nostalgia over the other day. Basically you were a wizard that walked around level to level shooting monsters and "Stepping in bat guano" would slow you down. There was also a pirate game that I remember that was awesome. But yeah, these were the days.
We used to call them "Legitimate off-site backup copies" because backing up your software through copying the disks was allowed in the EULA or legal bit in the manual..
I don't recall game delivery subscriptions, but I believe I had The Abyss - a somewhat primitive precursor to Wolfenstein 3D iirc? It didn't run well on my PC whereas Wolf3d was smooth.
Don't remember that in the least, no. Though also not the kind of thing my parents would have gone for. We had a golf game, a Donald Duck game where you were building a playground through completing odd jobs, and a Carmen Sandiego game.
At one point I made a batch file called shutup.bat to avoid windows automatic shutdown countdown when I would delete some system processes from task manager, but that was for the newer systems like 98 and XP.
I’ve done IT support for friends and family since these days, and now do it as a side business.
It’s funny how easy it is now. It’s really more about being a therapist than anything about the actual tech.
Ugh. This is why I've set up clear rules as the techy of my family:
- do what you're told. Do not ask why. Just do.
- NO APPLE. You buy that crap, and it's your problem.
- if you deviate from what I've told you and you break something, it's your problem.
- if I've set something up for you and left extremely clear, concise, color coded instructions and you break said thing, it's your problem.
- if you ask for advice on a tech purchase and don't listen to my advice, guess what? It's your problem.
This is an unspoken rule: if you eagerly break my first rules, or if you're unpleasant in general, "I don't know how to do that." I've straight up told my father that I don't know how to "do a Google sheet," while I was writing a complicated Google sheets code while he could see my screen. I've also spontaneously forgotten how to reset passwords, do email, print, and other basic tasks.
I'm not getting paid minimum wage at an Indian call center, I operate under a strict "fk around, find out" mission statement.
Have you tried saying "No"?
I did that years ago. I do help out a select few, 3 people who are on the older side. Everything is digital in Denmark and I honestly don't think that's fair for someone who was born before hot water was in the house.
Also I demand they buy Apple. It really just works.
As much as I love tinkering, with a full time job, kids, mortgage, etc. etc., I just dont have time for that. So we run Apple at home too. Except PC's.
\+1 for Apple- As long as you're following the way the ecosystem is "supposed" to work, it's great. It's when people get "but I want it this way!" workflows in their heads that things go wonky.
Recently had a client that had a Macbook and an iMac, and she wanted mirrored profiles for both her work and personal accounts across both machines, but only wanted to use iCloud for personal, but also wanted all her contacts synced, but also wanted to access some files between both profiles. I told her that was insane.
I started being anti apple because Steve jobs sucked. At some point he pissed off Adobe, so there were rumors that they stopped targeting ease of use from Mac and pointed it at PC instead. Additionally, Mac doesn't support all the games I want to play, and their hardware is _severely_ overpriced for what you get. And the "geniuses" are rude in my limited experience. And their laptops get way too hot.
But that's just my take on it. I know lots of people like it, and that's fine with me. You do you. I don't use apple, and I'm uninterested in learning their whole ecosystem, so if my family wants tech support, don't ask me if it's apple. My boyfriend had an iPhone for work, and I needed to use it to take a photo or something, and I genuinely had no clue how. And I'm good with that.
Super agree.
You go with the flow and don't fight it - And it is really good, to be honest. And the more devices you get, phone, watch, tv, ipad, mac, the more that ecosystem makes sense.
Like 25 years ago, I could see setting up folder automations or creating directory-based workflows for documents or highly organized shared drives for productivity.
But we have so many other ways of working now, like Google Drive, that make a lot of the things you’d want to customize on your desktop irrelevant, or at least more work than they are worth.
"No" doesn't work with my father. He's a narcissist, so I just lean into the "I'm too stupid to know how to do that" narrative, because it's faster than no. His incompetence is balanced out by my mom who does exactly what she's told and never buys any tech without my approval. She's a dream for tech support.
And convincing people that no, that thing you’re trying to do is a really bad idea, and knowing they will override you, you’ll implement something they way they want, and then you’re stuck supporting it.
Yep. And then everyone hates on IT, it winds up burned out, they quit, new people with no idea come in, and then it all goes to a cloud-based provider.
Executable and Linking Format. File type for linux executable files :) And on linux (as well as other unix os'es) the backslash is where the root filesystem starts.
So, on linux "/win" would be a file allllll the way up in the filesystem, roughly comparable with c:\ on DOS. And if that gile had to start windows the way win.exe did, it'd have to be an ELF file.
Silly nerd humour
I learn something new every day.
Trying to learn linux r n. Using OMV as a media server, considering making the big move once my Windows 10 update extension expires in October.
I don't remember this in DOS 5 or 6 at all. I was pretty young though and learning by reading the DOS manual a bit at a time. Maybe I glossed over this.
DOS (and now Windows) used backslash \ for paths and forward slash / for switches.
And the `win` command was typically available anywhere because the Windows directory was typically placed in the `PATH` variable.
Did you have to monkey with not loading himem.sys to run Doom II on it? If so, it was 4MB. I upgraded to 8MB to not have to reboot every time I played.
I did that!!! We had a family friend who worked for IBM and he had to come and work his magic to get it to load. Played doom 2 so much the levels were in my dreams - best times
I struggled to explain to my wife what opening windows in dos was like along with Webcrawler and IRC. She adjust couldn’t wrap her head around it because her exposure to windows was much later.
I used to be all about the GUI.
Then I started self hosting on my own server. Ran Ubuntu desktop for a year or so, realised most of my things were achievable easier with the command line and switched to the GUI-less server version. Haven’t looked back, it’s just so reliable and powerful and predictable.
We used Windows 3.1 with some kind of Novell Netware launcher that stripped out all the settings and customization ability on our tech school computers. But within one week of starting class, someone figured out that if you hit Ctrl+C, you could drop out of the bootstrap to a C:\\ prompt, from which you could type win, and boot into unfettered Windows.
I remember that there was an alternate UI of the operating system for kids that looked like the inside of a treehouse or something. Is this a wildly misunderstood memory?
That'd be the [Disk Operating System](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOS) or DOS yeah? DOS OS wasn't a thing, but PC-DOS, MS-DOS, DR-DOS, and more were all options.
But many use "PIN number", "ABM machine", and such so ehn. Whatever I suppose.
When protected mode was off-by-default, and every DOS app that wanted to use it including Windows implemented its own protected mode runtime (or just used DOS4GW)
I worked with a guy who's kid was completely baffled by the mouse when it was introduced in school. I have made it my mission to make sure my kid knows how to properly operate a computer. He's 4 and can use the mouse and play DOS games that require keyboard commands to do stuff.
Touch screen phones really got things to the point that it was so simple a baby could use it and most people never go past that level of technical knowledge.
My dad has a IIci and a fancy grayscale display. I think my own first computer was a Classic II. I remember playing Asterax and Simant for hours in my closet.
I didn't exactly live in an affluent part of the country/my state/my town as a kid. The best I had access to was Apple II or Macintosh Plus computers through elementary and junior high school. When I finally had access to computers that ran Windows, it was in high school in the mid to late 90s and they were running on Windows 95/98.
I showed my teenagers how to open files an create folders from the command prompt a few months ago. I blew their minds! There’s another fun command called “tree” that list the entire file path for the directory.
When I did that, they suspected I was living a double life as an underground hacker.
Nope! Just an 80s kid who REALLY wanted to play Kings Quest V on my dad’s fancy PC
I feel like I owe it to my younger self to find a playthrough video for Kings Quest V. I dont remember where, but I got stuck somewhere in that game and couldn't figure out how to continue.
Finally an OS than can turn this Dos game into something amazing
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Came in here to say this.
Quick side story...I had a modem that I fried or broke somehow, and could communicate once online, but couldn't make the call itself. So, to get onto AOL, I had to get it to start dialing a blank number, pick up my landline and dial it myself, and then it would handshake and get on.
Fond memories. +1
I don't think I've ever seen 3.1 outside of a vm. I suppose we used win95 in school, though I feel like Apple IIs were more prevalent. Weirdly I think outside of OG apples in grade school word munchers and shit Win98 feels like the Os most prevalent in my teens.
Didn't you have PCs in school? We had 386 computers with Win 3.1 in 1st to 6th grade. Then we got brand new "multimedia" 486/Pentiums with Win 95, CD-ROM, Soundcards and the whole shebang 😁
C64, Amiga 500 and Atari ST were home computer for us. Except for one Atari which was used in music class.
Schoolyard floppy/tape swapping was a daily occurrence in those days 😁
I remember the computers being BBC Micros in primary school, and gradually getting upgraded. By the end of secondary school, every classroom had 30 PCs running Windows 95 and able to get online.
(We weren't allowed online, of course, but we figured out how to do it!)
My first computer that I kept in my bedroom once my parents upgraded to a windows 95 machine ran 3.11. I used that computer for a lot up until I got a Pentium 3 machine running Windows ME in 2000.
Before then it was the family PC. My dad was one of those that reluctantly got windows because "DOS works fine. Why would I need windows?" was his opinion for a good part of the late 80s. My dad taught a middle school computer class with Atari 800s for students to use. I'm one of the oldest people who can say I've always had a computer at home my entire life at 41.
I’d had an ibm compatible for a year or two and my Aunt came to visit and brought me windows 3.1. She said I had to try it. I installed it and thought “what a piece of shit this is! Just slows everything down. I uninstalled it and went back to my homemade .bat file menu system.🤣🤣
My son was watching the VideoGameNerd Doom video and I explained to him how DOS worked and why is dinosaurs used to do in order to play video games.
I don't know how it happened, and I'm not okay with it, but we all got old when we weren't paying attention.
Fuck......
My neighbor in the 90s was big into the computer world at the time and had a lot of components sitting around his house. I spent a lot of time there talking with him about details and learning everything that I could. I used his spare parts to build my family’s first computer. It was a Tandy box, had a 3 GB hard drive and I remember installing windows 3.1 from floppy disks. My favorite game at the time was called “Baby” and they were literally throwing babies from a burning building onto trampolines that you had to move back and forth to catch and move them to safety
Little over a year ago I got the itch to play some old school games. Loaded up Windows 98 through PC emulator.
The operating system and the sounds alone brought back just as much nostalgia as the games I played.
"Where's the start button and the wifi connect?" said the Gen Alpha child 😂
The again, this was before my time. I was the first of the years that had a start button with Windows 95, so I had that much at least.
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I installed 3.11 on all the computers in my “media” class. I don’t recall what we even did in there besides work on the school newspaper. Maybe yearbook used those computers too? I have no idea what 3.11 offered over 3.1 but I can assure you we didn’t use whatever it was.
I remember messing around on my friends Tandy 1000 and getting into QBasic to play Snakes & the gorilla/banana tossing game.
We also figured out how to play Leisure Suit Larry. That game had a unique way of logging in to prevent youngsters like us from playing it, as it’s an “adult” type game. There was a book of trivia answers or something that had a red splotch design covering the answers that you needed to use this set of 3-D like paper glasses to uncover the answers.
I stole a sheet of red plastic from my parents printshop to be able to read the answers so that we could log into the game.
🫡
I did on my IBM PS/2 486 that we got in 92, but I miss the cutoff date. But yeah, back then we only ran windows when we wanted to run windows software. We ended up using a DosShell to launch software most of the time and dipped into straight command prompt on the regular as you just kinda had to. Anyone else remember having to make a special boot disc to free up enough memory to run Doom and then having to restart your pc when you were done to get back to the rest of it?
I had one of these growing up. Solely used it to play Solitare I stopped using it for a few years when my family got a Windows 98 machine but went back to it one day. It took me like 15 minutes to remember I had to boot up Windows separately
I came in just after punch cards. Loved computers since I was a kid. Started programming in 1980? Was there for first PC, Mac... programmed on a VAX mainframe.
I was just explaining to someone today I remember having to exit windows 3.1 to run Warcraft 2 from the dos prompt.
We also waxed (thankful) that we don't have to first person shooter with mechanical mice anymore.
And when I was done, I exited Windows, waited for the dogs prompt cursor to blink, typed PARK and hit Enter, and waited for the hard drive platter to stop spinning before turning off the system.
I started using computers in college with Windows 95 and 98 in 1998. I used a word processor for my college homework until my parents bought a computer in 1999. Before that I just used computers at school to play Oregon Trail and Where in the World is Carmen Santiago.
I learned on PCs, but since I was one of like 3 kids in the school that had any computer at home (my grandpa was a techie and bought a new one every 6 months or so throughout the 90s and he would just rotate through giving the old ones to the grandkids), I ended up doing tech support on the Apple IIE classroom computers (like literally one computer per classroom).
I learned Linux in grad school, but PCs/Windows are my default.
I went to a small private elementary school. I think the principal/owner’s son was in college for IT. In kindergarten, I knew enough to run Reader Rabbit, Writer Rabbit, Outnumbered, and some other cool games.
I really liked the game Goblins and asked Mr. George if he could give me a copy. I brought my own disk and everything. He informed me that software piracy was illegal and a responsible computer user like him could only make a backup copy in case the original were accidentally destroyed.
My parents had 3.11. This was the first system I ever played PC games on. It includes Doom, Doom 2 and Star Wars: Rebel Assault. I think they also had Wheel of Fortune.
Once upon a time when you had to turn on a computer, it did not immediately go to the windows program. It went to the Disk Operating System prompt, which was a black screen that said “C:/“ with a cursor indicating to type commands to get the computer to run them.
If you turned on the computer but didn’t want to run windows because it bogged the performance of your game (which sometimes happened), it was recommended you started with the DOS prompt.
Hell I wished for 3.1 because it was needed to run any of the original flight simulators. We had 3.0 and every time we'd go to the store I'd look at the system requirements of any flight sim/game hoping to find something that would run on 3.0. Good times.
My dad had a shop computer for diagnostics on cars. I remember quickly learning dos as a child, figuring out how to install games (commander keen, duke nukem og, jazz jackrabbit) ;; eventually i installed windows 3.1 using like 6 floppy disks! My dad found all the software but I quickly became the family computer guy at 10 years old :D

I was a kid when I first opened windows 3.1 from DOS. I had no clue what it did or why anyone wanted it. I just found it on my dad's hard drive one time when I was playing games. I probably exited and put a different floppy disk in and played a game.
I'm a youngun in this sub (1984), so I'm reaching pretty deep into my memory here. Did this change with Windows 3.1.1? Or am I even misremembering that that was even a thing?
I just don't remember actually having to type the prompt to get windows to open, but I'm willing to accept that I'm both wrong about that and wrong about 3.1.1 (3.11?)
I think we went straight to 3.1.1. I remember the very first PC didn't have that, and dad had to teach us how to access the floppies to play the dinky little games.
I don't know why that version number has stuck in my head for so long - I couldn't otherwise tell you every windows version I've had in my life. But I know that one.
My first PC was DOS 6.0 with Windows 3.1 installed…spent every day after school reading the manuals for both and finding incredible fun in doing things like tinkering with File Manager and Dr. Watson 😆
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