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Accomplished-Fee2388@reddit

And do Romanians really want a poor territory that will drag the economy down? J think both countries are better if they dont unite

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FreeThem2019@reddit

Still not overwhelmingly for unification. Unification of Albania and Kosovo is much more popular among Albanians in both countries in comparison.

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i_getitin@reddit

Advocating for a Greater Albania? Dont think such notions would be fair for other Balkan nations who are not allowed to redraw borders to created a greater version of their county

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FreeThem2019@reddit

Why do people immediately assume this whenever Albania and Kosovo are mentioned in the same sentence lmao.

I was just making the point that Romanian and Moldovan unification isn’t overwhelmingly popular. Relax lol

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Because putting aside what you may think about Balkan nations and their “greater” aspirations, you can’t deny the hypocrisy that Albanians can openly speak about a unified Kosovo and Albania but then countries that dont align with western interests express similar “greater” ideas are seen as a threat.

For Kosovo specifically, independence should have meant that any mention of unifying with Albania should receive the same condemnation as when Serbia claims Kosovo as part of their territory. Otherwise independence was just a ploy for the creation of a Greater Albania

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Krasniqi857@reddit

Kosovo Albanian here. Unification here is a dream everyone has and we can agree that we united are economically greater than divided. Its not hypocrisity if both sides want it and openly speak about it

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i_getitin@reddit

Well serbs from Kosovo wanted Kosovo to remain as part of Serbia and as did Serbia. But since the Serbian leaders didn’t want to submit to western interests such aspirations were viewed as extremist. Hence, the hypocrisy.

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Classic-Exit4189@reddit

Maybe the serbian leaders shouldnt have tried to ethnically cleanse Kosovo Albanians.

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Well I dont know, we oficially had 150 000 of them early last year and our great leaders (both political and employers) call for up to 500 000 in next few years. Ofc mostly they just need people to treat as trash (like they did to own people before mass emigration), pay less for more work and mandatory overtimes. Officially India, Nepal and Philippines are largests groups and there is like 1,8 billion people there combined so there wont be shortage of volounteers.

While 1000€ might not seem much to european it is premium for people who earn 200€ in their home countries.

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Temporary-Rise-1798@reddit

The guy you’re replying to has no idea what he’s talking about. Of course Croatia is attractive to low-income workers from South Asia, same goes for Romania. Over the last four years, most big cities have seen a huge influx, which has made the job market even worse and more competitive than it already was before the pandemic. I really hope you guys don’t end up making the same mistake the UK and Canada did by giving out permanent residency or citizenship. Croatia is a great country, and it’d be a real shame.

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Special-Remove-3294@reddit

How? Moldova's population is not much younger then Romania and it is not like population density would increase as we would also be adding new land so it would be more people but more land and infrastructure to maintain.

The economy of Moldova is comparable to Botswana (and that is with a lot of fund from the EU). So no, Moldova is not doing ok.

Romania has a similar economy to West Germany in 1989 when it united with East Germany. So again, not true. Romania can afford to unite.

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Typical-Froyo-642@reddit

Well the economy of Romania is comparable to Costa Rica (and that with way more funding from EU). So yeah, Romania is also not doing ok.

Similar economy...in what sense? Also, do you know how tat "unification" went?

Again, it is true, Romania should lift its own people from poverty before getting any ideas about anything else.

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Cobadeff@reddit

The nominal gdp (which dictates how much you can invest on a large scale) of Romania is 4 times that of Costa Rica. Also Costa Rica is not poor either thf so i dont get your smugness.

Poverty is relative, Luxembourg has “poverty” too. By your logic no country should unite ever.

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Typical-Froyo-642@reddit

Lol, well of course it is. Romania has 4 times larger population. So while nominal GDP dictates how much you can invest on large scale (theoretically) you also have larger population to take care of. And thats all theoretically of course, because size of GDP does not automatically translates in funds available fort state to invest. My smugness is reaction to yours. Poor and wealthy are relative terms. Moldova is in upper half of global economies, so its also not poor.

I mean how many countries are being founded by mergers? Usually its other way around. Luxembour has "poverty", but Romania has POVERTY. If you are going to lift somebody else from poverty you have to have elite economy power or some elite model to quickly develop it.

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Cobadeff@reddit

So thanks for this detour but the point still stands that Romania is at the level of economic wealth that West Germany was when it united with East Germany.

How many countries are founded by mergers? Well lets see: USA, UK, Italy, Germany, India, Spain, Belgium, Switzerland, UAE….ah yeah, and Romania itself!

Also no, Somalia has POVERTY.

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Typical-Froyo-642@reddit

No, thank you. Again, in what way? You mean it is as developed in 2026 as West Germany was in 1990? Or what you mean?

First of all, almost all of these were founded in pre-industrial era when economy worked very differently. But also, you will notice that these countries were either united by some of the most economicaly developed forces in world (England in case of UK, in case of Belgium and Switzerland all parts were heavily developed) or if they were poor, poor regions stayed especially poor...basically to this day (India, Italy). One poor annexing even more poor country/region/province will not improve the state of said country.

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Cobadeff@reddit

Sure, “it was different then because x”

At the end of the end its up to people from my country and from Moldova to decide, we will see

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Typical-Froyo-642@reddit

So we are going to ignore x? You know there are also a lot of example of countries that were created throught merger and it did not work? In this case, to my knowladge, this is not even planned to be a merger, but basically a voluntary annexation.

I agree on that, but I think its going to be a big problem Moldova and its extremely unwise to push it for it right now.

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FreeThem2019@reddit

Romania has a solid and growing economy. It's classified as a middle-income economy with a lot of potential.

It wouldn't transform Moldova into Frankfurt in a single day, but it could still make a difference for Moldovans year by year.

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dwartbg9@reddit

Romania, just like us isn't classified as a middle-income economy. We are both classified as high-income economies for around 3-4 years now.

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Typical-Froyo-642@reddit

It is not solid. It is growing becaue it had such a low starting point, but its not some amazing growth.

Regional differences are nothing. Most of those are Russian loan words anyway. Differences are natural to exist to some extent. A people cannot possibly be identical across a territory that large.

There are countries in Europe where the speakers of a region have no clue what the people in another region are saying. Dialects with incredibly stark differences. Not to mention the countries like Italy or Germany. North Italians and Germans don't even understand what people in the south are saying.

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wakawaka_eeheh@reddit

Yeah I agree, I'm also from the same region so our opinions might be way better than your western romanian for example

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chizid@reddit

True, you are both just as backwards. :) Salutări din Ardeal :)

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Think_Beginning1166@reddit

Half of what u have typed here i can understand. Its the same with the serbs we can understand the serbs easily but they cant us , soo do we have to bitch like u do ? No we simply don’t care and we are not obsessed like u are with another nation. And idk about the last sentence but your old king asparuh definitely didnt spoke the same language as u do . 😂

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Own_Worth_5929@reddit

Every single one the words exists in Bulgarian, mostly in archaic form spoken by villagers. Не е мој проблем што зборувате како селяни од 19 век, зошто јас без проблем можам да ви пишувам на вашиот измислен македонски и сепак да ме разберете.

Хан Аспарух не е зборувал на истиот јазик како нас денес, ама неговиот наследник, Кнез Борис I, го покръства българския народ и создава условия за кирилицата и книжовната традиция. Во тоа време Македония била дел од българската държава. Всушност, во различни периоди средновековна Македония била под българска власт околу 270 години.

Ако некој денес тврди дека станува збор за сосема отделен етнос уште во средниот век, треба да се има предвид дека и византийските, и османските извори често го користат името „българи“ за словенското население таму. изворите се јасни.

Татари ке викаш на маjка си

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Think_Beginning1166@reddit

Сус јанглаш еден. Ти си селанец крвта твоја кабајдајчарска. Заваритенџере шо си.. Збоктисано ни е нас од вашите фашистички мозоци. Јас можам до сабасаба да пишам и зборам на Србски,Босански , Хрватски и Словенечки, дали тоа шначи дека и тие се бугарски јазици? И бугарија била 400 години под Оттомандка власт дали тоа значи дека сте турци ? Кој логика е то? Ко чупе мајка ти за црвена идеше во Македонија

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Own_Worth_5929@reddit

Една црвена можам да ти дам мегу очите, олигофрен титомански.

Па не се бугарски. Има извори од 9 век што кажуваат дека Србите се бореле со Бугарите, ама за Македонците што нема? Зошто бугарскиот и македонскиот се единствените словенски јазици без падежи, зошто граматиката ви е најблиску токму до бугарскиот? Зошто генетски сте најблиску до Бугарите? Бидејќи до пред 100 години бевме едно и исто.

Poor territory will become richer in a larger country.

The region was never called bessarabia before it became part of russia, bessarabia is actually the region called "budjak" nowadays located in ukraine.Rep. Moldova is is right bank moldova.

False

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loveisinthebear@reddit

Moldova should split from Transnistria and join Romania. It would be the way to resolve the conflict. Afterwards they can close the border and wait for Transnistria to fully crumble.

They will never join the EU or Nato, with unresolved border conflicts.

Ukraine will orient to the West once the war is over, so that will be the only option for a country this small.

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Brainwashed by Russian separatists? They ARE the Russian separatists!!!

Transnistria is not a trapped region, anyone who wanted to leave could do so, Moldova didnt closed the border. And many of them did leave. From a population of 500k in 1991, only half of them remain today. Its not North Korea, they can leave.

But why would they leave when for decades the Moldovan taxpayers cover their gas bills?

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Soilerman@reddit

No country will cede its territory for nothing, thats not how it works.What do you think will happen after that?Russias not gonna recognized it anyway, the ukrainians would probably try to reintegrate it by force.

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loveisinthebear@reddit

It‘s more about Russia being unable to uphold the military presence if you don’t let soldiers pass through as “tourists”.

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Butterpye@reddit

I would image most Moldovans who want to unify with us are probably already living in Romania or another EU country, I'm curious if they were polled or not.

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Futski@reddit

Republic Moldovans are a funny bunch.

I know someone who grew up in Ploiești, but originally from Republic Moldova.

Her parents, despite being Romanian speakers, living in Romania, working in Romania, etc. Are still the biggest Soviet Union nostalgics I have ever met, and I bet, would probably vote against Moldova unifying with the country in which they are currently living in, and have been living in for the past 20-25 years.

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Mao_TheDong@reddit

Yeah, unfortunately many of those among us, but hey, even Romania has their own Ceauşescu nostalgics. We will work in europe but still support putin or some shit, it’s kinda sad.

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Soilerman@reddit

Ceausescu was not against unification though, as far as i know

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Mao_TheDong@reddit

Yep, probably because moldova was also part of the soviet union back then so it would have been doable but the soviets insisted on creating a fake history, language and identity for soviet moldova.

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sfsleep@reddit

toxic and irrational

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nb-A380@reddit

The Moldovans who want to unify are ethnically Romanian, so they have Romanian citizenship and are already living in Germany or Spain. Therefore they did not respond to the poll.

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PurpleMclaren@reddit

so they have Romanian citizenship and are already living in Germany or Spain

Wait a second..

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-JCiL-@reddit

Because they could never leave Moldova without a Romanian passport. Romania recognizes them as Romanian citizens, and a large number apply for citizenship.

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Soilerman@reddit

they can leave moldova, visa free for 90 days.

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JRJenss@reddit

No wonder Moldova lost some 600k people over the last 15 years or so. The population dropped from 3 million to 2.4 million, and just like that Romania got over half a million new voters - if not more. Certainly not an insignificant number. Now, I don't know how they tend to vote, or if there even is a pattern to it but the mere fact they get that right makes one wonder.

We have a similar situation with Bosnian Croats - some 400 - 500k of them and they tend to vote for the current ruling party.

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Glaernisch1@reddit

Cmon. Those guys just didnt want to be part of romania, they led a uprising against mildovan military, and a soviet unit that shouldve retreated post ussr attacked the moldovans without declaration of war. No one attacked them, theyre dependent on the ussr, not russian, my bad, propaganda apparatus. Luke every rightwing communist lover in eastern europe

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Typical-Froyo-642@reddit

Attacked Moldovans without a declaration of war? It was not attacking Moldovans but defending the people that did not wanted to be part of Moldova. And it could not "retreat" because many of soldiers were from there. And of course they did not declare the war, because countries can delcare the war, not some military units.

What you mean, no one attacked them? Moldovan government did. They were not "dependent" on USSR, they were the USSR. And again, it what way would they be dependent on propaganda aparatus.

Rightwing communist lovers?

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Glaernisch1@reddit

Yes. Rightwing. Communism as per old guys in balkans is rightwing. And they attacked them without declaration of war.

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Typical-Froyo-642@reddit

By what standards it is right wing?

Why didnt Moldova declared the war if it felt attacked?

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Glaernisch1@reddit

because then russia wouldnt have had any restricitions on military deployed. the moustache man was also a socialist, yet rightwing. he only cared about german people, left wing would theoretically be democratic. the people in balkans are xenophobic, ofcourse thats rightwing. they wish to have communism because they remember only the pros, not the cons, including restricted free speech, like in the usa today.

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Typical-Froyo-642@reddit

Russia did not have to "restrict" itself. But since it was a civil war with minor russian involvement, Russia barely payed attention to it.

Outvoting what? Russians could vote as much as anybody else during USSR times. Also, Russians were/are only like one third of Pridnestrovian population.

What happened in Baltic states? When USSR fell, most Russians simply left. Do you know why? Because nobody "saturated" them as a part of some devious plan. They went there because it was economically growing region and once that collapse happened, they left. Russians who remained never outvoted anything, despite still making like 25% of population in Latvia and 20% in Estonia.

Transnistria joining Romania would mean that the dominance of the Russian and Ukrainian majority over the area would end. Moldovans are the smallest of the 3 groups in Transnistria. Plus, Romania doesn't have laws that allow autonomous regions. Even the Gaugaz region would secede as soon as unification happens.

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Futski@reddit

Even the Gaugaz region would secede as soon as unification happens.

Would they though?

I know they can, but being a non-EU nation split into four separate enclaves with no sea access just seem like a non-starter in this day and age.

The clause for independence made sense in the 1990s, when Russia was more dominant and they probably could get a working relationship with Ukraine.

Nowadays Ukraine is probably their hardest neighbour to work with, given their complete opposing views on Russia.

If the Gagauz desire independence, let them have it.

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Rienn2@reddit

Most of the areas between the enclaves are mostly inhabited by Bulgarians and some Gaugaz. They're more similar to the autonomous region near them than with the rest of Moldova. You do have a point. Ukraine would be more hostile to Transnistria and Gaugazia.

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Futski@reddit

Most of the areas between the enclaves are mostly inhabited by Bulgarians and some Gaugaz

And yet we grew up with him being a common action star over here. He’s just talking that you can’t go bam bam bam the 30 year old transnistrian problem is done.

Brother. Look at the sky in the photo. In September, it starts to get dark in Moscow after 6 p.m. But it looks more like it's 7-8 pm in the photo.

Not to mention that the queue could be behind the dude with the Ukrainian flag on his avatar.

And finally, how many polling stations were there in Russia? Just say it. Shame the propaganda.

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Futski@reddit

This is how it looks when people want to vote, but there are too few voting stations.

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Morozow@reddit

I can send you the same Photos from Moscow. But you can tell me that this is propaganda.

Therefore, how many polling stations were opened in Russia, how many in the rest of the world.

How many Moldovans are in Russia, how many in the rest of the world.

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Futski@reddit

I can send you the same Photos from Moscow

Please do

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Futski@reddit

How many Moldovan migrants are in Russia,

According to Russia, probably 90 million.

I can search these numbers, but it doesn't matter.

In USA, during the civil war presidential election were held in 1864, and there 0 polling station in Confederate states. Understandable, they were at war. Democracy in US didn't end there.

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Morozow@reddit

Who is Moldova fighting with?

But thank you for confirming that the pro-Western actors won in Moldova only thanks to machinations. But he thinks it's the right thing to do.

That's exactly what I was talking about. Everything you need to know about democracy in the EU and their minions.

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N0gr4v17y@reddit

You didn't answer his points either, so fuck off with your propaganda.

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Haven’t they blocked Reddit there yet?

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Futski@reddit

Unfortunately not

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floare_salbatica@reddit

The audacity of Russian maniacs is mind-blowing.

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Futski@reddit

Come on, a lot of their tax money were spent trying to buy the Moldovan(and the Romanian) election.

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Andreas_Ashlyn@reddit

no it's not. very different. i've been to both

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Classic_Guide_2385@reddit

Its always good to hear the voice of Trumpists.

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Upstairs-Challenge92@reddit

Why would they want that? As a member of an Ex-Yu country, I fully support them remaining a separate country if they have a strong feeling of national belonging.

As a Romanian, I totally agree. Although I support the union in theory, presently it's basically pointless. We as Romanians have enough problems as it is. A union now with the Republic of Moldova would probably be a catastrophe. They should join the EU, and the Schengen space and mind their own business.

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pongauer@reddit

Because every Moldovan that wants to unite just asks for a romanian nationality and leaves Moldova.....

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SpaceBetweenNL@reddit

Those who wanted to live in the EU already live here with Romanian passports.

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No-Tomatillo-9217@reddit

Is it unification or reunification? Were they part of a joint entity before?

There's also Transnistria as an issue, sure, but everybody seems to forget Gagauzia, which is another autonomous piece (actually many pieces) of land inside the Republic of Moldova. What do we do about that is an issue in either case if we want to join the EU, since from what i remember, the EU does not allow it's member states to have autonomous regions inside themselves, or considers them non-EU. But for Romania its trickier, since they have their own self proclaimed independent hungarians, the szekelys, wouldnt want to give them ideas now about secession or being given some other special status.

It's not stockholm syndrome. It's the result of years of propaganda, combined with kinda bitter but factual truth:

We were betrayed by Romania, we were offered as a rucking sacrifice animal to russians
We are still to this day considered inferior by romanians. You can see it whenever something good happens in Moldova, immediately comments like "look, EVEN THEY could amd we can't".
Even tho ti address issue #1 Romania started issuing romanian citizenship for Moldovans, the process is so difficult and it tales so much time it's often easier to idk just go to a different country and gwt their citizenship. You wat for 6 years and then you go through other bureaucracy for another year and god fucking forbid you misplace your documents order inside your folder or something, or be late for 5 minutes to an appointment you will have to start all over. Example: after getting my "citizenship" I have 6 months to make a passport, online "resevation" is answered in 4 months. They automstically moved me to an office 300kms away at 7 in the morning :)

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HelloThereItsMeAndMe@reddit

Because as it looks they don't see themselves as Romanians. Simple as that, there is no need for another explanation. They have formed a separate identity over the years, like Austria vs Germany.

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Cobadeff@reddit

Moldova is more comparable to East Germany than Austria

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Andreas_Ashlyn@reddit

no it's not. different demographics and history to romania. it's more like ukraine and russia

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lilian_moraru@reddit

“different demographics and history to romania” - sure, genius. How about you do a quick search before saying that stupid

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Andreas_Ashlyn@reddit

Honestly, I’m all up for Moldova to join Romania, after all the territory/country was annexed by the USSR in WW2, so I don’t know why a majority are so opposed for unification,

Spending time under foreign sovereignty doesn't automatically mean you somehow learn to love it. The Irish spent way more than 155 years under Brittish rule, how did that turn out. The Ukrainians have even more in common with the Russians than the Moldovans, but even they can't stand them. In fact, almost everybody that ever had to deal with the Russians harbours that sentiment. As to the issue of the decades of Soviet rule in Eastern Europe after WW2 -- bare in mind that it was not welcomed at all. Not even by the countries that fought on the same side as the Russians, like Poland and Serbia.

You're talking bullshit

What did I say that was incorrect, enlighten me u/floare_salbatica

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floare_salbatica@reddit

Just because Russians tried to create an artificial Moldovan identity doesn't erase the fact that most Moldovans are ethnically Romanian, they speak the same language, have the same traditions, they learn...surprise! Istoria românilor and Limba și literatura română ( Romanian history, Romanian language and literature) in school. When a Moldovan from Romania and one from the Republic of Moldova meet, they notice pretty fast that they're the same people, only that the latter have a stronger accent . My mom and her generation were also taught Russian in school, it didn't shape their identity at all. There is no such thing as "Moldovan language", it's an idiotic construct. And in contrast to Russians, many Romanians would love to unite with their Moldovan bros, but it's not in our nature to resort to violence, it's up to Moldovans if they want to "come back".

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Foreign-Opening@reddit

Notice how everything you said is purely anecdotal and based on your personal experience, and if we're using personal anecdotes, most of my Moldovan friends speak Russian as a first and native language.

There is no such thing as "Moldovan language", it's an idiotic construct

A language is just a dialect with a language with an army, if we're being reductionist, you're speaking an offshoot Latin, 'Romanian language'? An idiotic construct

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floare_salbatica@reddit

I bet you have a lot of Moldovan friends. 🤣 Maybe read some statistics before making such bold claims, Russian bot. People from Moldova stated that they speak Romanian (~31%), "Moldovan" ( which is actually, again, Romanian ~50%) and Russian (~11%). So more than 80% speak Romanian as their mother tongue. Get lost!

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Foreign-Opening@reddit

Russian bot

What's your obsession with trying to affirm that I'm Russian 😭

Maybe read some statistics before making such bold claims

I'll have to leave that one to you, evidently you can't comprehend that they don't want to unify with Romania

"Moldovan" ( which is actually, again, Romanian \~50%)

Moldovan utilises words from old Moldavian and Russian, linking back to my prior statement, 'A language is just a dialect with a language with an army, if we're being reductionist, you're speaking an offshoot Latin, 'Romanian language'? An idiotic construct', I don't know how else to simplify it for you but Moldovan is in a category of its own because the language itself exists on a spectrum, of which, one side can be unintelligible to a Romanian speaker. Stop projecting your own personal biases onto Moldova, it doesn't change the facts on the ground

Yes the region differs culturally from us, but that's not really because of their own volition. You can't talk about schools and administration and not talk about the number 1 factor being Russian-led cultural erasure. In 1810, before Russia first annexed Besserabia, the Romanian population was around 75-95%, and at the beginning of the 20th century it was 50-75%. Before 1918 when Romania annexed Besserabia, there were no schools in Romanian, only Russian, despite there still being a Romanian majority. At that point they were the most illiterate region in the whole Greater Romania because the Russian Empire neglected them. After Soviet annexation, in the Moldovan SSR they promoted the cyrillic alphabet, the Russian language and Moldovan as a separate language rather than a dialect of Romanian. Not even mentioning the deportations, sending people to labour camps, bringing ethnic Russians to russify the area.

This is why Moldova elected Maia Sandu and is trying to join the EU. To protect themselves from the Russian threat. Maybe they see themselves as Moldovans first, maybe we will never unify, but them joining the EU is enough of a union for me. Hopefully by then the EU will figure out how to combat Russian propaganda.

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NewIdentity19@reddit

Moldova (both halves) was an independent Romanian kingdom for many centuries, long before the eastern half was stolen. You are looking at a very short time span (merely 105 years) and ignore the much longer one. Your reasoning is upside down.

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Foreign-Opening@reddit

I think my wording is misleading, I'll quote one of my replies here:

That's true, the Principality of Moldavia was just as Romanian as the Principality of Wallachia, but I’m not talking mediaeval ownership. I’m talking about when modern national identity actually formed, (19th–20th century nationalism). By this time, eastern Moldavia/Moldova/Bessarabia had already been under Russia since 1812, and later the USSR for 50 years. The institutions that shaped identity such as schools, administration, elites etc, were Russian/Soviet during the exact period nationalism was crystallising. So it’s less about mediaeval Moldavia and more about which state shaped modern Moldovan identity.

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NewIdentity19@reddit

I have edited my comment after r

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Many-Rooster-7905@reddit

Then why dont you speak celtic language since celts inhabited britain way longer than germanized english did

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Foreign-Opening@reddit

That touches on one of my key points in another one of my replies!

That's true, the Principality of Moldavia was just as Romanian as the Principality of Wallachia, but I’m not talking mediaeval ownership. I’m talking about when modern national identity actually formed, (19th–20th century nationalism). By this time, eastern Moldavia/Moldova/Bessarabia had already been under Russia since 1812, and later the USSR for 50 years. The institutions that shaped identity such as schools, administration, elites etc, were Russian/Soviet during the exact period nationalism was crystallising. So it’s less about mediaeval Moldavia and more about which state shaped modern Moldovan identity.

Funny, since the way Russia got hold of Besserabia was the Treaty of Bucharest in 1812 following the Russo-Turkish war. You annexed a territory that you had no rights to.

The deputies were gathered by deception and blackmail.

The voting was open.

There were armed Romanian officers in the meeting room.

Romanian troops were lined up on the square in front of the building, with heavy machine guns at the ready.

They voted for joining on the basis of broad autonomy. Which in reality was not.

Mysterious_Drink3195@reddit

Or maybe, just maybe they see what is happening in Ukraine and decided it os better not to anger the giant neighbouring nuclear power. There was a possibility of reunification in 1991 after the soviet block fell, but the politicians either didnt want to do it for reasons we do not understand or were incompetent. Nowadays it’s a different story.

Of course in an ideal world all the small countries should be able to choose freely who they associate with, but in the real world it’s a different story. What do you think would happen to Greenland for example, if they decide they do not want a military allegiance with the USA , but one with China instead. You think America would roll over, pack up all the military bases and leave?

PersimmonTall8157@reddit

I agree that Moldova should decide itself how it wants to do.

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Many-Rooster-7905@reddit

Most bosnian response of all time, maybe ever

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SnapDragon18252@reddit

The strategy in balkan will always be the same: divide and conquer.

alemeln@reddit

Moldova was a part of the Soviet Union, and people remember it. Today's Russia isn't soviet union, but still better than EU for working people.

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theanxioussnail@reddit

Lol...

Better than soviet union? My parents lived in iron curtain romania, it was a nightmare

The nazis are imagined in ur head.

Russia elites are nazis. What tattoos did utkin have again?

Just listening to medvedev or patrushev speak u can hear the echos of hitler - extreme nationalism, hate for other cultures, christianity as a tool, hate for minorities such as gay people

That is what nazism is. Nazism isnt "people i dont like"

And if there really were "banderites killing russians in ukraine" the solution was sanctions and coordination. Russia is a permanent member in the UN security council. Ukraine isnt. Romania isnt. Russia is, only 5 nations hold that much power in the UN out of nearly 200. Russia could have easily summoned a coalition of sanctions if it had PROOF of mass killings against ethnic russians. But no, it sent in its army to have 30000-400000 russians to die. U have to be dense to think russia, a great nuclear power, the country with the biggest surface, somehow mysteriously gets its populations attacked by tiny countries around it. The answer is simple, they arent, they invent these reasons so they can keep EXPANDING. that is why it has a huge surface.

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alemeln@reddit

Imaginable in my head nazists attacked elected president three month before the next election, killed Russian speaking Ukrainians, killed wnd burned people in Odessa, bombed and killed civilians in Donbass for meny years. Russia tried: Minsk I and II. Who is Utkin? Listen to Putin if you want to know official policy.

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theanxioussnail@reddit

Utkin was the head of wagner. The private army putin loved so much, until they turned against him. But before they turned against him he loved them a lot

I listen to putin too. Same fascist ideas hitler had - invade crimea to protect russian minorities, invade czech republic to protect german minorities. We are a great power, we need our russian sphere of influence. We are a great power, we need our lebensraum

Moldova is chill and nothing wrong with being independent. Despite being poor relatively they have their own currency and inside the country things are less expensive than Romania.

For the “poorest country in Europe“ Chisinau has great malls, restaurants, entertainment, and good public transportation

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Visible-Star-6079@reddit

Unsurprisingly, an even higher percentage of Romanians oppose it. Many are not hung up on historical arguments and see the issue more through a cost/benefit lens.

And the cost is quite high (poverty, corruption, risk of conflict) and not many benefits (maybe more clout at the EU table with a bigger territory and population).

Transnistria is a particularly contentious aspect. Aside from the presence of Russian troops and Russian loyalists, it was never part of the pre-WW2 territory of Romania. So no reason to touch that mess.

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lilian_moraru@reddit

“Corruption“? Romania has significantly more high-level corruption(like the “timber mafia”, “water mafia”/Apele Române, the “construction mafia”[specifically in Bucharest], “waste mafia”[also in Bucharest], “pharma mafia” rigging big auctions - all the mafias created by politicians/parties in power).

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Visible-Star-6079@reddit

“Corruption“? Romania has Significantly More high-level corruption

That's an additional argument not to undertake this project and focus on fixing its own problems.

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Andreas_Ashlyn@reddit

not true. more romanians are in favor than moldovans

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wakawaka_eeheh@reddit

baicoi66@reddit

This is why

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broadripplefireman@reddit

Meanwhile, in reality, Moldovans are queueing to get Romanian citizenship and voted against Russia in the latest election

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possibly_daco_roman@reddit

I wouldn't really say "strongly", but my countrymen usually don't really feel much kinship with Romanians from beyond river Prut, as a result of the successful ethnic cleansic efforts conducted by dem r*sskies throughout the last 2 centuries, most of which this territory has spent under their boot. Local mentality/culture has deviated quite significantly even from the other half of Principality of Moldavia and resembles russian/Ukrainian moreso(in big cities at least).

possibly_daco_roman@reddit

We refer to Albanians from Kosovo, as Kosovars as a regional term and oftenly it gets misconcept as a national identity term

Same shit here.

As for the language - Moldovan doesn't exist, it's just a rebranding of Romanian, coined by USSR in their efforts of erasing pre-existing Romanian national identity. As for speaking a mix of Romanian and russian - this refers to overuse of russian filler words, kind of like non-anglophone zoomers use English ones nowadays. They appear in common speech as people do not know the proper Romanian term for certain concepts, as using fillers was commonplace during Soviet times, which trickled into modern day to day lingo(which is not proper use of language and practiced because uncultured people don't care about those sorta things). Gladly this phenomenon is declining. Also, there's no way one replaces " blyat' " lmfao

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aliksavin@reddit

I see, thanks for the information!

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I don't know how Moldovans feel, but as a Belgian, it always pisses me off when People who don't know my country say Belgium should be split up or join the Netherlands or France because ''they are the same culture'' or 'they speak the same language'' or that Belgian shouldn't exist. Belgium is quite different from the Netherlands for instance because of the major difference in religion and social norms. Putting us together even though we speak the same 'language' is so offensive, as if that's the only reason why countries exist. It's also what certain 'dictators' use as justification for certain wars lately....

Similarities, even if they are ''obvious'', don't mean that there isn't a difference. Should Canada just join the USA? Should Canada not obviously unify with the USA?

Because they live under the hilarious illusion that they’re somehow superior to Romanians. Typical small dick country behaviour.

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Captain3007@reddit

a yes the second bulgarian tsardom provinces are gonna unite soon

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katkarinka@reddit

I would say it’s the same as with many other “weaker” countries. You are afraid you would be seen less than and losing your voice.

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Oleksaah@reddit

Because of moscow. Hear me out, I call it “The Imperial Control Playbook”.

If you can’t conquer a whole nation, seize as much land as possible.
Kill all who actively resist. If you can’t kill em all, then there is a plenty of space in Siberia.
Create an atmosphere of fear to discourage dissent.
Resettle loyal populations into the occupied territory. Bring as much as possible to change the ethnographic and cultural balance.
Flood the information space with constant propaganda. From education to art, everything is pro ruzzian.
Wait long enough for normalization and fatigue to set in.
Declare the new reality “permanent.” All who deny are “fascists”, “nazis”, etc.

That’s what they been doing throughout their history, including Moldova. I know people from there that are more pro-ruzzian than ruzzians themselves. It’s insane how effective moscow is in ethnocide.

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ejectoid@reddit

Corruption. Wide spread corruption. They fear change. People who honestly earn their money want unification

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Typical-Froyo-642@reddit

"Do they really prefer the "poorest" country in Europe over joining Romania?"

You are sayin that as if Romania is Eldorado. So instead of poorest country in Europa Moldova should be tempted to be poor region of one of the poorest countries in Europe?

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