[NFA] FOR Systems Monarch RECCE - $874 shipped (Inconel) | $900 shipped (Ti) with code "monarch26". No tax outside of OK.
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These things sound great - especially for being so ~~short~~ totally average length at 4.9".
No mount included so plan accordingly.
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palookadook@reddit
It sucks that most sales are a moot point because the local transfer fees make buying anything outside of a SS kiosk more expensive than SS instantly
laterisingphxnict@reddit
My LGS forces me to use SS and still charges me $75 transfer fee! I can’t wait until I move.
Eleven26_@reddit (OP)
If they’re coming from Silencer Shop they can’t charge you a transfer fee. Reach out to Silencer Shop if that’s the case.
laterisingphxnict@reddit
I asked the dealer about it, he just shrugged. Need to find my receipt I guess.
Eleven26_@reddit (OP)
Definitely. It’s in the Silencer Shop dealer agreement. And also kind of scummy imo because when you buy through SS you are paying full retail price. So they’re getting the max profit margin for the can and free processing from SS. No justification for charging a transfer fee.
laterisingphxnict@reddit
Well this is his inventory sitting on his shelf. But it’s all done through SilencerShop.
Eleven26_@reddit (OP)
Ohh gotcha. Well in that case it depends on if it came from SS inventory initially or not.
But the transfer fee is still shitty if it’s sitting in his inventory. Silencer Shop charges a max of $25 for processing, and if they have a kiosk they can’t charge you to use it if you’re buying from them.
Sounds like a shitty LGS to me.
laterisingphxnict@reddit
Yeah. I think I need a new one.
yogurtlockstone@reddit
I’m waiting on my pending Form 4 but so far so good with Capitol Armory.
Eleven26_@reddit (OP)
I hear ya. The sales tax is a big savings depending on your state. But yeah, some gun shops just get crazy on transfer fees. It made somewhat more sense to charge $100+ on NFA transfers when Form 4s were taking 6-10 months+ to get approved. These days the storage isn't as much of an issue now that we're averaging a week or so. I charge $25 - I figure it generally takes about 30 mins of my time to process a Form 4 and the 4473 once it's approved and I feel like $50/hr is a fair valuation of my time.
If anyone is genuinely interested in grabbing one of these but is deterred by your LGS' transfer fees, shoot me a DM and I bet we can make it make sense.
joeg26reddit@reddit
Sometimes if no-tax then it makes sense
The_Chuck_Finley@reddit
Same. $75 per nfa transfer for me. The deals are usually when there's no tax along with the deal.
Icy_Turnover1@reddit
This is the boat im in too. $125 transfer fee at my LGS for any NFA items purchased from anyone but them or SS pushes most of these into non-deal territory, which sucks.
palookadook@reddit
Exactly the same, and $50 for firearms killing any deals on lower receivers
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Electronic-Funny-475@reddit
I’ve had a long talk with OP and he does his best to make high transfer fees disappear.
I need to get my 5 minute drive guy to get his SOT. it’s only 1k right?
Eleven26_@reddit (OP)
Thanks man!
It can actually be only $500 if they’re not doing over $500k a year in receipts.
Electronic-Funny-475@reddit
Really? Hmmm I need to get with him then.
But yeah I haven’t made it to my local shop. I was told he’s running10% off cans for February. So im gonna have to see what hes got. Cause thats tax off. But i still want that fireteam. I’ll see what i can get away eith
WhoDisWhoDat99@reddit
My head is officially spinning with all these new “boutique” brands/offerings of 5.56 cans.
FOR Systems, Exigent Defense, Ridgeback, Stealth Additive Works, Echo Core…etc.
How are the shrewd and intelligent folks making sense of all these, and how/where to categorize/stratify them?
We need some sort of singular comparison matrix to get clarity on which models to buy for which reasons.
PewScience is great, but not all of these brands/models get tested by them.
YouTube shills are running rampant, seemingly getting more schizophrenic by the week with the next/current “Cat’s Meow” 🙄🤮🤥 (IYKYK) 5.56 suppressor.
Sig is running around obviously up to their usual shenanigans of chicanery and pocket lining 🤫😶🌫️🤑 with their Hexium stuff.
And even much of the loudest NFA Reddit community content has descended into the morass of supposed “Adults/Boomers” engaging in pointless/useless “he ripped him off / they’re naughty / I know better cuz I’ve converted my studio apartment into a Tier 1 “OTC” shoot house 🙄” junk.
I’m literally about to say “F*#k it”, and start buying every can my self, testing each one with exactly the same constants, recording it, and creating a living breathing 5.56 matrix for the public.
The intentional obfuscation and intellectual dishonesty within the 2A community has gotten egregious and untenable.
Electronic-Funny-475@reddit
I’ve built ranges with Meggit. We had an anechoic range to build at Remington for AAC but it never got finished. It was a looooooot of mess. I was just sad when everyone was thrown in the trash I didn’t get to get some of the tumblers
Eleven26_@reddit (OP)
There are definitely a ton of options. Fortunately, the majority of them are pretty damn good overall. For the average shooter it would be pretty hard to go wrong with any of the brands you mentioned.
It would be nice to have a standardized way to see and compare them. It's also difficult because the same can may sound different to two different shooters on the same host.
WhoDisWhoDat99@reddit
Amen, and well said.
I’m gonna DM you with some thoughts I’m working on.
I think the industry has a surplus of folks advocating on behalf of manufacturers.
I’m personally much more empathetic to the “blue-collar, purchase conscious, non-disposable income” consumer market demographic.
Electronic-Funny-475@reddit
$100 is the lowest fee I have. And it’s. 40 minute drive.
JustBman@reddit
The ocl titanium k you show in stock. Is it?
Eleven26_@reddit (OP)
Yes it is
prmoore11@reddit
KK kinda killed this unfortunately. And WB Ti.
DifferentATF@reddit
I think you're mostly right. I think you can make an argument for the monarch based on price, and back pressure, from what I can tell.
Going off of memory, but I think the monarch has a higher shooter's score, suggesting lower pressure. The CAT was also tested with a cat muzzle device. I'm sure that made some difference, but we don't know how much. Obviously, FOR could have chosen a different muzzle device for their test.
All that said I assume you have personal experience you're being your opinion from.
I recently picked up a Recce for a steal, and I'm happy with it, even though better cans have been released since. I have no person experience with the KK, but I'm sure it's awesome.
prmoore11@reddit
I mean that’s everything. If you can get one on a steal, that’s where value may overrule marginal gains.
Tsonghin@reddit
4.9” is average!? 😩
Eleven26_@reddit (OP)
4.9” is too long if you ask me!
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