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Mandatory driver impairment sensors clear a funding hurdle, but are they ready?

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retirednavyguy@reddit

Drunk driving is abhorrent. And you’re a pathetic piece of shit if you do it. Also, I hate everything about this law. The slippery slope fallacy is only a fallacy in situations where the logic is applied without merit.
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Z32anxiety@reddit

I got a DUI years ago. I fucked up, it was wrong and it’s one of my biggest regrets. I had the interlock system in my car for a year. You DO NOT want that shit in your vehicle. It’s expensive, intrusive and requires regular calibration. There is no existing technology that would be both effective in preventing drunk driving while also not being a massive pain in the ass for everyone who isn’t drunk. I’m skeptic that such a technology will ever exist. Relying on some AI to judge sobriety and giving it the discretion to shut down the car is incredibly dystopian.
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TyburnCross@reddit

Imagine it measures pupil response and some bright lights are flashed in your eyes from the LASIK grade LEDs on the road these days. Is your car going to call the cops on you?
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Hillary4SupremeRuler@reddit

It will lock the doors and drive you directly to the police station 😞
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birthdaycakeee78@reddit

I take medication and I fear being under surveillance and my personal data collected. i don't want AI to see if my eyes are teary and i/'m emotional or crying in my car. Or have it see me take my antidepressants
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mr_j_12@reddit

My cousin had an interlock. Went to court and almost lost his licence for longer due to the guy calibrating it registering on the system! Was lucky he had proof of where the car was at the time and he wasn't driving.
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ReeeeeeAndClear@reddit

I worked at a shop that installed/ removed those systems. Boy howdy were those things a pain in the dick to get out. Especially if you're trying to start one and the reader wont capture right
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JustAtelephonePole@reddit

Regardless of ***everything else*** wrong with this, I refuse to have my car totaled because the sensors for the hyper-specific measuring system are one-offs every year.
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garden_speech@reddit

Does anyone even honestly believe this law is actually about our “””safety””” either? I mean sometimes they manage to sell a bill of goods to people and convince them a law is about their safety but… really?? If they cared about our safety, why not focus on punishing DUIs more harshly? Why can someone who’s had multiple DUIs even still drive at all? Why is that allowed?
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Llhaniii@reddit

What else inside this law or measure is gonna be used? Clearly tracking is a thing.
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birthdaycakeee78@reddit

This erodes civil rights and puts us all under surveillance. I'll get shit for this but while very drunk driving is a personal responsibility issue, I dont think individual drivers carry much moral blame for driving slightly impaired. As we know, you are still impaired under the 'legal limit". If society gave a shit, there would be more practical options to curb drunk driving or at least more regulations on alcohol serving establishments. A few cities have offered $5 tow your car rides. Uber frankly isn;'t practical because of the cost and logistics of getting your car back the next day. It's not the ride home from the bar that's frankly the biggest structural hurdle.
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Supper_Champion@reddit

Anecdotally, it seems like *a lot* of people are quite willing to drive on a regular basis without a license or insurance. Aside from jail time or financial penalties that garnish people's wages, not sure what you can do to these people.
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JustAtelephonePole@reddit

This is a more profitable approach for the people who matter.
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Emotional-Water-5457@reddit

You want to know something. I would feel 100 times safer in a NASCAR car being driven by one of those guys on a race track then on the road with people like you.  Every safety feature and idea that car companies have and get comes from racing. They got this idea because even people driving race cars are sick of people breaking the laws and rules of the road. 
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JustAtelephonePole@reddit

I don’t hate safety features. I hate that they are advancing too quickly to standardize across all platforms and that legislation to prevent fuck shit from happenings decades behind. So, I hate that there is a possibility of my car being totaled out for sensors that are no longer manufactured because they were produced 10 generations ago, thus are obsolete and the new ones likely are not backward compatible (and if they are they’ll charge like $45 to flash the ECU for the new sensor probably 🤷‍♂️). I will argue though, that far too many new drivers rely on the driver safety suite and have no real knowledge of what to do in emergencies since the car does it all for them, thus they are inherently worse off for the technology making them safer because they are also not backward compatible with cars without such safety suites.
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Emotional-Water-5457@reddit

🤦 then tell all the auto compines that are involved in motor sports to slow down. Wait thats not going to happen. If everyone took safety as seriously as they did in NASCAR,  Indy Racing, F1, are roads would be safer.  As it stand it does not matter if you think its going to fast. The amount t of people that die in on a race track is so low if thats the only people that could be on the roads there would be zero deaths every year. How it is guys going 150 to 200 mph are better drivers then those going 45? Answer the guys going 150 fallow the rules and laws better. 
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JustAtelephonePole@reddit

I very much wish to be a part of the solution. I simply do not wish to be placed in a position where my beloved automobile is forever inoperative due to the unavailability of hyper-specific, non-standard components for one off systems that, by their own patent language, will benefit warrantless law enforcement surveillance over the end-user safety. How much autonomy should the end-user be allowed regarding the driveline and powertrain of their vehicle?
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Emotional-Water-5457@reddit

🤦 to be part of the solution you have to understand where every safety feature comes from then. It comes from race cars.  Wearing a seat belt will save lives. Well comes from racing. Making the car take the majority of the damage racing. Buttons on the steering wheel racing. Black boxes, better handling, the list goes on it all comes from racing.  Every race cars drive is a better drive on the road then the majority of us because they understand that dangers.  They don't drink or do drugs. They don't speed because its not worth it when there is nothing to gain.  Don't like it to bad. That's F1, NASCAR, Indy racing, etc thats how we go better cars.  Maybe should spend less time being mad and spend more time learn how the tech is there to help keep us safer.  Exmaple going over the speed limit on normal roads. They have the speed limits there for a reason.  Want to go fast they have test tracks for that. 
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JustAtelephonePole@reddit

Please point out where in this conversation I have advocated for track-like behavior on the road, and not just a standard for the technology so our fucking insurance rates aren’t through the roof because planned obsolescence makes parts unavailable prematurely. I get where the tech comes from. Good for the drivers for being such resolute saints. You have missed the entirety of my point and I wish to engage in no further correspondence. Have the day you deserve 🫶
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Moistinterviewer@reddit

I think driving tired is just as bad as
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Consistent-Throat130@reddit

Or fucking around on your phone. Or driving while low iq.  With all the safety equipment and software on cars these days, frankly the car should know if you're all over the place on the road *without intrusive interior sensing*. Now, what you do with the knowledge that "I'm currently being operated by someone on no fit state to drive"?  I don't trust autonomous systems enough to safely seize control from the dumbass. And I don't believe that our own equipment should be allowed to report is to law enforcement. Maybe add a special "dumbass alert" light on the exterior of the vehicle, to warn other motorists... (It's not a great idea, I just ran out of better ones)
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zhululu@reddit

There are a few cars on the road that will detect that you’re not responding, turn on the emergency flashers, and attempt to pull off the road onto the shoulder. That works well enough. I’ve tested it on an empty road in my car by just not bumping the steering wheel when the cruise control repeatedly told me to. It could pretty easily with the existing sensors do the same thing. That is if it has to keep bumping you back into your lane or applying emergency brakes because you didn’t slow down for the car in front or swerve you into your lane because you almost side swiped someone changing lanes, at some point it could decide you’re not paying attention and start pulling over. It already has all of these safety features. It just has to start counting how many times it’s been triggered within a given time span.
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birthdaycakeee78@reddit

If the car automatically pulls over to the side, that could be probable cause for an officer to arrest you. Constant surveillance
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Consistent-Throat130@reddit

Incompetence sensing software? 
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zhululu@reddit

A lot can be detected with the auto cruise control pretty much every modern car has. Since it already has a mode to match speed with the car in front and stay in your lane it could also keep track of the driver: * Hitting the lane markers * Braking late when the car in front is slowing down * Speeding up late when the car in front is speeding back up * Changing lanes when there is a car already there * Repeated brake tapping for no reason etc. So in a way, yes, certain types of incompetence are easy to detect today with existing technology and would catch drunk drivers as well as distracted drivers and straight up incompetent drivers. There doesn’t really need to be alcohol detection in the car or any fancy new tech. Why is driving drunk illegal? Because you have delayed reactions and make poor decisions. Detect delayed reactions. Who cares what the cause is? If you have delayed reactions on par with a drunk driver you shouldn’t be driving.
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Consistent-Throat130@reddit

100% incompetence detection > BAC sensing. I'm a better driver drunk (in Forza Horizon with a sim wheel - I'm not gonna be the asshole to endanger people) than some of the old people who are still allowed on the roads.  The degree of poor/irrational/delayed reactions is also of greater safety impact than the cause of said poor performance.  And yes, in simulator-ish video games my driving gets worse after beer #2. It's kinda cool to be able to show yourself the danger and impairment without endangering anyone/anything.
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RFK_Cum_Regimen@reddit

> Maybe add a special "dumbass alert" light on the exterior of the vehicle This already exists in the form of cult messiah bumper stickers.
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One_Maintenance6918@reddit

It can be. Impaired is impaired. Having a phone in your hand is impaired. Have a glass of wine is impaired. All statistically increase chances of an accident and causing death. But alcohol is the clear and present danger , full stop.
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Moistinterviewer@reddit

Well a driver that has had a few beers is a lot more capable than a driver that is asleep, I know this because I fell asleep.
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One_Maintenance6918@reddit

Yes, but it’s far far far more common for people to be drunk behind the wheel than fall asleep. You proved my point though, impaired is impaired. You were as bad as the worst drunk driver on the road.
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Moistinterviewer@reddit

Do you live in a country with no alcohol allowance when driving? Some countries allow a certain amount like 1 pint and you would still be under, a couple of beer with food over a couple of hours you may still be under the limit.
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beck_is_back@reddit

Using your mobile also fall in to this category. Sad that in this stage of human evolution, we got to the point where some adults cannot be trusted and have to be monitored like kids, but if it helps then I'm up for it!
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10000Didgeridoos@reddit

The reason people don't fight for the same draconian punishment for mobile phone use as DUI is because they know they all do it and don't want that legal risk for themselves. Only evil alcohol. Which to be clear should be treated harshly, but it's just ridiculous that you can watch tiktok and drive and it's like a $100 wrist slap in the remote chance you even get a ticket
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benedictfuckyourass@reddit

"we got to the point where some adults cannot be trusted and have to be monitored like kids" You think that's a new thing?
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mschiebold@reddit

Agreed but I also believe that distracted driving is worse than impaired driving because it's more common.
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kon---@reddit

Pathetic piece of shit? You're being a little too hard on yourself here. It's okay. You were imparied. It happens.
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FictionalContext@reddit

Congress heavily invested their portfolios in the startup lobbying for this.
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b4ckl4nds@reddit

This tech is absolutely not ready for prime time.
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SamwiseGanges@reddit

The data brokers will be very happy
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DaughterofDorne@reddit

This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of, THIS is what our politicians are up to?  They're gonna police us all because a fraction of the population does this? This feels really unnecessary unless someone has a record drinking and driving.  My coworker told me about it and I was horrified to realize this is real.  Another reason to get the pitchforks and torches. Everybody who voted this in has to go.
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Humpdat@reddit

Imagine a serial killer chasing you, the adrenaline causing nystagmus and the car not starting because it detects rapid eye movement
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Soggy-Car-4548@reddit

Imagine having a visual or neurological disorder causing nystagmus and your car won’t start because of biology.
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blk95ta@reddit

I have nystagmus due to birth defects. I do drive. I had a cop give me that test while I was 100% sober and I failed it. I also have balance issues and would likely fail the stand on one foot and walk the line test.
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garden_speech@reddit

Imagine you have nothing wrong with you at all in any way but the sensors and algorithm just think your eyes are a little wobbly
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thisisinput@reddit

This could be a great plot for a Black Mirror episode.
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Workity@reddit

Black mirror has the same issue as South Park, it’s too difficult to stay ahead of the insanity of the real world.
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cybae@reddit

But I bet there's something in the Simpsons about this
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averagemaleuser86@reddit

I can get behind it to a point of like... the vehicle sensing that the driver is crossing over the lines multiple times per x amount of time frame and maybe asking if medical needs alerted (medical episode) and maybe going into reduced power mode so someone cant straight leg jab the throttle and accelerate hard. But I agree it becomes a slippery slope on "freedom"
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Shienvien@reddit

It can sometimes be entirely reasonable to drive on the center line at night. Cars will be visible from very far away due to headlights. Reflector-less pedestrians and deer not so much. Also, my street is literally so narrow that you can't let a truck past without crossing the edge line. Really messes with a lot of self-driving features.
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ThatOneBitch02@reddit

Many other possible reasons too. Blizzard or fresh layer of snow so you can't see where the lanes are. Sliding or getting pushed around by snow and ice at low speeds or when taking off from a stop. Avoiding a deep puddle or flooded part of road. Avoiding a big pothole. Avoiding debris in the road. Construction. Driving around parked cars on the side of road. If my car yelled at me constantly for these things I'd go crazy
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InsertBluescreenHere@reddit

Right? Where i live half the roads have no stripe markings anyways. I always go in the center till i get near a hill then move to the right
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JapanesePeso@reddit

Very common situation that we should definitely design our laws around. 
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Humpdat@reddit

I am just pointing out in a light hearted way of how a normal persons reaction to stress or adrenaline can cause physiological symptoms of things often associated with impairment
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JapanesePeso@reddit

If people are so freaked out that they are showing the same symptoms as somebody high off their rocker, then they shouldn't be driving anyway. 
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mr_j_12@reddit

Yep, just let them die like in the movies 👍
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Humpdat@reddit

No one said anything about off their rocker. The sensors being described arent mentioning extreme states of intoxication either. They are using physiological markers associated with intoxication in a manner that doesn’t seem to have any nuance. I get that you’re a proponent for techno surveillance, but people aren’t metrics on a chart and driving isn’t black and white.
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crysisnotaverted@reddit

We all know domestic violence is a lie created by women. Oh wait it isn't? An abuser having a way to trick a car into shutting off is a bad thing? Oops, your ex-husband who just beat your face in is chasing you, but your eye lids are swelling shut! You have to look at the road to drive! Going into limp mode now. Please safely die outside of the vehicle, thanks.
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JapanesePeso@reddit

Ah yes, all the high speed domestic abuse chases. Another very common occurrence that we should use to make our laws. 
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tlivingd@reddit

Or you’re tall and the sensors can’t see your eyes at a comfortable seating position. I’m looking at you Subaru….
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ezagreb@reddit

Maybe we need one of these devices for people on their cell phone
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Humpdat@reddit

Isnt that a selling point for testlas self drive feature
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Atompunk78@reddit

You still must be paying attention to the road; isn’t a phone is illegal regardless
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oiuwej0608@reddit

Dang, or someone with just regular nystagmus. 
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blk95ta@reddit

I don't drink, but this does concern me as I have eye issues from birth that have given me nystagmus naturally. Nystagmus is the involuntary eye movement that cops are looking for during the pen test or "horizontal gaze nystagmus" test as it's officially called. Something like 4% of the population have eye related issues that causes this to occur in their eyes even when they are completely sober.
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eirexe@reddit

In Europe they are also force the drowsiness detection system on new cars, among a shit ton of other mandatory assists like auto lane keeping and ETC
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10000Didgeridoos@reddit

It would be a much simpler law to have the government seize and crush your vehicle on a second dui to stop repeat offenders from driving again. No? Why do they get the vehicle back and why are they allowed to register one at all? Don’t drink and drive a second time if you want to be able to go to work without taking a bus or paying for an uber ride
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garden_speech@reddit

Evidence suggests harsh punishment doesn’t tend to prevent crime, it’s certainty of being caught that prevents crime… but on your other point I agree with you. Why is someone who’s had multiple DUIs even allowed to have a license at all?
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This-City-7536@reddit

There are millions of people on the roads driving without a license. It doesn't matter if you take it away if the alternative to driving is completely exiting society.
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garden_speech@reddit

> It doesn't matter Yes it does. Most people who get their licenses taken away do not drive. Some people do. Plenty of cities have public transport. And catching them driving again without a license will put them in jail and off our street for longer
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HedonisticFrog@reddit

It's not drunk driving scum that's ruining it for everyone. It's the over protective nannies that want to micromanage everyone's personal lives doing it this time.
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HedonisticFrog@reddit

My comment isn't any of those things...
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I guess I shouldn't have said.... Rage? 
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FancyManIAm@reddit

The very idea of installing such equipment as mandatory is abhorrent and just another step in the march of nanny tech that is forced upon us. Idiots will be idiots and it only annoys the law abiders.
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DavoinShowerHandel1@reddit

I'll go a step farther and say that I'm of the opinion that all the modern safety tech has just made better idiots. I think texting & driving and other generally reckless driving behaviors have been exacerbated by these features because people are leaning more heavily into trusting their cars to do the bulk of the driving for them and diverting more focus from the road because they think they have a safety net.
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10000Didgeridoos@reddit

Just like how people found ways to fool the “hands on the wheel” requirement of vehicle self driving sensors.
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WingerRules@reddit

They will do anything to avoid actually charging bar and restaurant owners for serving alcohol to customers they know 95% of them are going to immediately drive afterwards, day after day for years.
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mr_lab_rat@reddit

Fuck the fuck off. You had decades to deal with drunk driving. From introducing 0 limit as many countries have to actually enforcing the laws currently in place. Overcomplicating cars that are already too expensive is not a way to do it.
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gsasquatch@reddit

The insurance companies are the ones that want this. They don't care if your car shuts down because you opened a bottle of hand sanitizer, they just want to minimize payouts. Automakers want this, because they want to move the blame for their death machines off of them, and onto the user, although when this doesn't remarkably prevent all the carnage, it might back fire on them, and, they'll have warranty/service problems like when a car stops being a car because some sensitive sensor becomes flakey, which is what normal people are concerned about. Seems like it might be a stop gap to self driving. If a car can drive itself, it doesn't matter if the occupants are soused.
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Magnus_The_Totem_Cat@reddit

I have had a few proper “going to get someone hurt” drunks in my family and they weren’t within 10 miles of driving new cars. By the time cars with these filter down there will be a bunch of known hacks to get around the lock out.
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garden_speech@reddit

Right? Who are these imbeciles who can be convinced that Aiden who lives in a poor suburb and drives drunk every weekend, is going to be driving a new Audi?
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Left4DayZGone@reddit

This shit is draconian. Can the sniff sensors distinguish between alcohol and, say, hand sanitizer? Or for that matter, a drunk passenger in the back seat vs a totally sober driver?
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julienjj@reddit

They can’t. I wiped the dirty windscreen in a car with an ethylometer lock once and the thing detected it as alcohol breath. Had to leave the car in parking lock honking for 15 minutes before being able to start it to bring it inside the garage to work on it.
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xrelaht@reddit

Breathalyzer manufacturers claim they don’t detect alcohol but some metabolite in your breath. This is total fiction. A friend brought a breathalyzer to a party, so I used it immediately before and after downing half a glass of 9% beer: blew a 0.07 before and 0.35 after.
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julienjj@reddit

Rinse your mouth with mouthwash then try it. It will blow as over the limit.
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benedictfuckyourass@reddit

Friend of mine had to take a trip down to the polive station because of this. Field test came back as drunk, blood test showed 0 alcohol. He'd used some mouthwash right before they drove off.
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julienjj@reddit

Yes. Most alcohol molecules will react the same. Ethanol (vodka) register the same as maltitol which is the sweetener for buble gum. You’re not getting drunk on maltitol or methanol (which is toxic)
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Justame13@reddit

Imagine being a hospital worker who has to use hand sanitizer and exposed to nasty stuff all day every day. When I worked in patient I also had a bottle of cleaner I would use on my shoes before getting in my car. I know others who would do even more like spray their seat down and their hands. Looks like I'm not leaving the work parking lot because there is now booze in the air and on my hands.
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Crewstage8387@reddit

“Booze in the Air” is a great album name
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biggsteve81@reddit

I use hand sanitizer every time I get in my car.
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Justame13@reddit

Looks like you have a lifetime of DUI stops ahead of you because there is no way this doesn't get transmitted and you profiled.
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Shienvien@reddit

Winter windscreen wiper fluid has ethanol and sometimes confuses police breathalyzers.
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HedonisticFrog@reddit

This will drive up the cost of cars significantly, and the cost of ownership will increase as well with how often they'll fail and need to be calibrated. It's such a draconian micromanaging law with little upside since people will disable them anyways.
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Klynn7@reddit

Would the air sensors be able to differentiate between driver and passenger? Would the fingertip sensor be defeated by gloves? Just doesn’t seem super effective…
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cat_prophecy@reddit

It's not meant to be. What it's meant to be is an overreach of power sprinkled with a little "look! We're doing something!". There's no way this tech is ready for primetime. They can't even get breathalyzer interlocks to work reliability. Of course because it's "for safety!" You can't speak out against it without being accused of defending drunk driving..
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Yotsubato@reddit

The shittiest laws get passed with “think of the children” in mind
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mr_j_12@reddit

The amount of alcoholic/junkie lawyers and judges around I wonder how this will go.
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AbundanceLiberal@reddit

Hypocrisy has never been an issue for them in the past.
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Jnaythus@reddit

How about defending myself not being punished for what others do? I don't drink, at all.
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AbundanceLiberal@reddit

Don’t even grant them the premise. Forcing this shit in every car is the issue. Debating effectiveness will just get the idiots to argue for different means of surveilling you in your own car.
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julienjj@reddit

Bonus if it can tell who farted.
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StandupJetskier@reddit

No. A designated driver wouldn't be able to drive. Gloves and open windows defeat this.
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Magnus_The_Totem_Cat@reddit

No skin contact = no start, would be the response to wearing gloves to defeat BAC touch sensors. It will create a war with defeats and counter systems.
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Psycho_Loli@reddit

They better be putting heated steering wheels in everything then because I'm not touching a cold wheel with bare skin at -20.
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tagman375@reddit

Eh they make gloves that work with touch screens. This will be like the backup camera mandate. A 320x240 camera on a 2 inch screen in the mirror meets the requirements, even though it's completely useless for seeing anything.
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Magnus_The_Totem_Cat@reddit

This is absolutely nothing like back up cameras.
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oboingadoing@reddit

We are on the cusp of most cars driving themselves completely. Kind of late for this tech to be implemented isn't it?
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SF_Bubbles_90@reddit

Anyone buying a new car is part of the problem
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Jabin04@reddit

anything but public transit in the us :/ It's frustrating that only 2 cities in the US have a good local train system
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kon---@reddit

So there you are. You're the designtied driver. You watched everyone else having a great time then when it's time to get them home, you're stuck in the car with them because the car has no idea you're stone sober in a car full of inebriated passengers. Or you're out having drinks when you call for an Uber but driver after driver rejects picking you up because if they did, their car would be disabled for the remainder of the night. Fucking MADD...go figure out education is the best tool here and stop looking to control others.
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Larcya@reddit

Honestly I'm against this becuese why should I be punished for drunk drivers being the scum of the earth? The simple solution to drunk driving is to make the first offense a mandatory minimum of 10 years in prison. Then a second offense is life without parole. Throw the pieces of shit into the fucking slammer and throw away the key. DUI's will sort themselves out.
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Castrol-5w30@reddit

They should also limit speeds and acceleration, and also allow remote shut down. This would stop speeding, racing, and police chases.
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WhippersnapperUT99@reddit

My brother-in-law has a theory that eventually we will all end up in self-driving cars because the insurance companies will force us into them. They will just make it too expensive for anyone to have a manual driving car.
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_galaga_@reddit

I’ve watched a lot of bodycam videos, including pursuits, and when somebody is fleeing at 100+ mph giving zero fucks about anybody around them and putting so many people in danger the “we have the technology to remote shut down a specific car” thought pops into my head but there seems to be no technology that doesn’t get abused or create opportunities for overreach without recourse. Adam Savage once succinctly summed up Star Wars vs Star Trek for me by pointing out SW is dystopian and ST utopian. In a utopia remote shut down would work but we’re living much closer to a SW dystopia and there’s little chance a feature like that is contained to just that (arguably positive) use case.
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ZombiePope@reddit

Let's give the US govt the capability to deploy even more authoritarian-fascist bullshit! There's no way this could possibly go wrong.
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Ibotthis@reddit

They might as well just give all citizens taxi vouchers/uber credit and outlaw private ownership to prevent any crime potential.
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Yotsubato@reddit

This is the real endgame
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1975hh3@reddit

I hate drunk drivers as much as anybody but this seems super sketchy. NO THANK YOU.
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nekmatu@reddit

I’m so over new tech in cars. We lot the plot about 7 years ago. There was a golden age where systems actually helped, didn’t sell your day, and were not antithetical to self repair and long term ownership. Fuck everything about this.
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Skeptical0ptimist@reddit

Here’s my speculation as to how this will go. I’m assuming that the legislative barrier is overcome and thus enacted. The easiest tech to leverage is to gauge driver’s responsiveness to dynamic driving environment. I’m talking about the number of steering corrections made per unit time, time latency in applying the brake, etc. The data necessary to make this assessment is already being gathered in modern cars, through sensors such as radar, ultrasonic sensors, video cameras, etc. The car’s performance can be curbed based on driver’s performance score, and eventually be brought to a stop. This would be useful in not only suppressing accidents from drunk driving, but also from sleepy drivers, distracted drivers, and elderly drivers. This is where this law will run into trouble and be scrapped. The elderlies will cry murder as their driving privileges are taken away, and they are the most politically powerful voting block. Drunk driving victims? That’s an acceptable cost for their driving freedom.
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rooftop_druid@reddit

This is one of the slipperiest slopes to ever exist. MASSIVE government overreach attempting to control your ability to even travel about and, even if you choose not agree with me there, an insane breach of privacy. Fuck everything about this.
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Hustletron@reddit

And this administration is bragging about killing stop/start (which I also abhor being mandatory). This is way worse:
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GenTenStation@reddit

I’ll drive a motor bolted to a pallet before I buy a car with this in it
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Occhrome@reddit

Mixed feelings. I don’t want this shit but I know we need it now more than ever. I see so many people now on TikTok while driving. 
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xrelaht@reddit

> air monitors that sample the car’s interior for traces of alcohol So you’d be unable to have a designated drivers or get an Uber to take you home?
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WorkerAmbitious2072@reddit

Let’s jsut make cars more complicated and expensive also less reliable and inevitably strand people in unsafe locations why not Meanwhile 3+ offense drunk drivers are still driving and not in jail
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MaybeTheDoctor@reddit

Completely misses the point of DUI can be for other reasons than alcohol - cocaine, heroine, sleeping pills, and even pot could be reasons for DUI. What’s next? Speed limiting and seat belts being mandatory?
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kilroy-was-here-2543@reddit

This “If It saves one life” logic is going to get people killed and will be a massive annoyance to the majority of people who don’t drink and drive.
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insomniaczombiex@reddit

I hate drunk drivers as much as any rational person, but this just seems like a really bad idea, considering how easy it can be to hack cars now.
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ikilledtupac@reddit

Everyone is a suspect apparently. 
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druss21@reddit

“No new cars sold in Wisconsin in 2032”
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Marokiii@reddit

So everyone is going to be fucked in winter. Wear gloves because its freezing and have su glasses on because thr glare off snow is obscene and tell your drunk passengers to juts nit breathe.
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crysisnotaverted@reddit

For one second, lets ignore how utterly shit all of these systems would be, how it's a privacy nightmare, how it will be abused, and how it doesn't make sense. I can't wait for the minimum cost of a car to go up by $5,000.
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durrtyurr@reddit

I just don't see any good way of actually implementing this.
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Carrera_996@reddit

Guess I'll cough up the $2,500 for the pump my 13 year old Audi needs. This tech is guaranteed to make your car *not* work at a moment when you need it and haven't even been drinking.
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10000Didgeridoos@reddit

It’s also just passing the costs of drunk driving onto everyone else even more via increased car prices to cover this “tech”. It’s also one more thing to break and service - your magic air sensor has a fault and your car now won’t move until it’s towed somewhere to repair for $700-1000+. Swerve around a pothole and now your car is bricked on the side of the road in 15 degree weather in the middle of nowhere because it thinks you’re shitfaced. How does it unlock? Is it a timer of x hours? Do police have to come verify you aren’t drunk and then have it unlocked over the air via the manufacturer?
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halcykhan@reddit

Guessing there’s an exemption for the vehicles these legislators get taxied around in on the taxpayer’s dime
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bashinforcash@reddit

interlock ignition devices (car breathalyzers) are already wildly inaccurate. my cousin couldn’t start his car after eating a piece of bread. invasion of privacy aside, i wouldn’t trust these things one bit.
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julienjj@reddit

Hi it’s you mechanic at bob’s auto. Yes we found why your car isnt starting. A roden ate the wire in the drunk sensor. The part is 2860$ and is currently backorder since it’s a common problem.
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Durian__Gray@reddit

Sounds like a neat way to force everyone into Elon’s stupid ass robo taxis
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turboash78@reddit

Dear government, fuck off. 
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