Is it true that Western parents never hit their children?
Posted by DiscipleOf_Buddha@reddit | AskAnAmerican | View on Reddit | 169 comments
I grew up watching a lot of American family sitcoms and TV shows. Because of these shows, I’ve always believed that parents in the West never hit, insult, or threaten their children.
In India, physical discipline is quite common. But from what I see on TV, American parents seem to only use talking and understanding to solve problems with their kids.
Is real life actually like the TV shows, or do some parents still use physical discipline?
If you don't hit, how do you handle a child who is being very difficult?
quietude38@reddit
I have three kids, the oldest of whom is going to be valedictorian of his high school class in a couple months. Never laid a hand on any of them.
Echo2020z@reddit
I bet they barely listened to you as children though
quietude38@reddit
You would be extremely incorrect.
Thebigpoor@reddit
Want a cookie?
Shot-Artichoke-4106@reddit
Sure. Who doesn't want a cookie? Did you bring enough for everyone?
sageamericanidiot@reddit
Child abuse exists in every pocket of the world, including western societies.
Echo2020z@reddit
Spanking your child is not child abuse. If I didn’t get it when I was a kid I’d probably be dead by now. I grew up in a tough area where the streets always won.
AdExcellent1745@reddit
its generally frowned upon but there are still large amounts of people who do hit their kids, in a corporal punishment kind of way and an abuse way.
Echo2020z@reddit
Who frowns upon it? Guess it depends on your community
Echo2020z@reddit
YT people don’t. Black and Hispanic families definitely do. And you can see the difference in public settings of how the kids behave
Deerorser@reddit
My father didn’t need much to hit me. When I had trouble sounds of A, I, and E he would hit me with the leather belt and yell at me to “do it right”. He had trouble speaking English and never tried to sound it out for me.
He would even hit me when I tried to use my finders to multiply numbers.
My support teacher did a significantly better job than he ever did.
Soft-Skill-9296@reddit
It’s against the law!
VVG57@reddit
Hitting a child is absolutely illegal in India. People go to jail for doing this very often.
Khaleesi_dany_t@reddit
It's still legal in Arkansas, I was anmandated report until last year, and it has to be with an open palm on the butt or thighs, and can't be hard enough to leave a bruise.
If you tell a Southern adult "pick a switch" most will probably know what you mean and won't make the mistake of picking a thin one
myOEburner@reddit
Spanking is generally reserved for extremely bad or outright dangerous behavior. And that's fine.
I think genuine abuse (striking with objects, hitting, throwing) is uncommon.
garulousmonkey@reddit
I have 2 boys under 10. I still spank them occasionally, but it’s not the preferred method of discipline.
Typically they get consequences like lost screens (iPad, switch, TV), early bed times, extra chores, writing sentences, etc.
A couple of times, they’ve watched toys go in the trash because they wouldn’t clean up after themselves. They thought Daddy was bluffing, then watched it drive away on trash day. Now they leap when told it’s time to clean up.
Apprehensive-Top3675@reddit
Same here, pretty much. Most of the time just the threat of a spanking is enough, I rarely actually have to follow through.
captainstormy@reddit
I'm 41 and if I did something stupid enough now my mother would still whoop my ass.
Parents these days don't usually do spankings and such. I'm sure some still do but it's not very common anymore. But in the 2000s and earlier it was absolutely the norm.
Spanking kids in school used to be very common too. According to my quick google work it's apparently still legal in 19 states. No idea how common it is though, I'm betting it doesn't happen anymore. I never got spanked in school but my uncle who is 9 years older than me did.
ssk7882@reddit
It was not the norm in the 1970s where I grew up in New York state either. In fact, I was genuinely shocked when I learned that schools were still legally permitted to use corporal punishment in New York state in the '70s, because where I grew up, spanking was considered something that only trashy and ignorant parents did, and having it done in schools was regarded as something that only happened in decades past, like before WWII.
captainstormy@reddit
I'm sure it's very region specific for sure. 8 grew up in Eastern Kentucky. Parents who didn't spank their kids when I was growing up were considered the weird ones. Which sounds like totally the opposite of your experience.
Realslimshady7@reddit
At least where and how I grew up (middle class urban Michigan) it was definitely not “absolutely the norm” at least as far back as the early 1960s (I’m old). My parents spanked me exactly once (when I did something so stupid around 4yo that it scared them and they really didn’t want me to do it again). I never saw or heard of any of my friends or classmates being physically punished or berated or insulted by their parents. And it never happened at my Catholic grade school, nuns-with-rulers stereotypes notwithstanding. Wouldn’t have been permitted.
I think for a long time there have been big variations depending on the parents’ education level and region, and probably other factors.
Indig012@reddit
I think it’s changed alot in the last 15 years. I’m 26 and myself and all my peers were all spanked. My grandma would even make me pick out a switch (stick) and spank me with it. Most times I deserved it looking back.
My sister is 13 years younger than me and I actually asked her and from what she said her or her friends have never been spanked in their life.
ssk7882@reddit
The timeline here varies a lot by region. I'm soon to turn 60, and I still vividly remember the first time I learned about spanking. I was over at a friend's birthday party, and the birthday girl's mother got mad at her for something or other and grabbed her to slap her butt. I launched myself at her to protect my friend and screamed for someone to call 911. My parents were called to come get me and take me home. On the drive home, my mother explained "spanking" to me. I was absolutely appalled and horrified. It was not something that happened very often where I grew up -- and indeed, my parents were pretty disgusted to learn that one of my friends had parents who still actually used corporal punishment. By the 1970s, it was very much looked down upon in my home town. But my husband, who grew up in the south, remembers the timeline of when corporal punishment became socially disfavored being very different than it was where I grew up.
ssk7882@reddit
"Western" parents hit their children even less frequently than American parents do. We are lagging behind much of the rest of the Western world when it comes to violence against children, just as we do when it comes to our attitudes towards capital punishment.
tn00bz@reddit
It used to be pretty common, but it started to fall out of popularity in the 90s. There's been a lot of studies focusing on corporal punishment and they pretty consistently find that it's not actually effective. It just instill fear instead of changing underlying behaviors.
XemptOne56@reddit
i disagree though, many of us that got our ass whipped for acting up as a kid will tell you straight up we are better off for it. when the time out shit came in, kids are fucking out of control these days... and even worse with gentle parenting...
tn00bz@reddit
It's not that gentle parenting is the answer, its that the scientific consensus is that hitting your kids does not work. You may believe it was effective fot you personally, but you also don't know who you'd be if you weren't hit. The science is pretty clear on the results.
XemptOne56@reddit
i wasnt "hit" like punched or beat up, i was spanked... there is a difference... there is punishment, and there is abuse, i dont think most people here know the difference...
nippleflick1@reddit
I never got a "licking" that I didn't deserve!
XemptOne56@reddit
people here cant distinguish that... discipline these days is considered abuse... and they wonder why kids do stupid shit all the time...
BlairIsTired@reddit
No, they do know the difference. The studies also know the difference. The result remains the same, corporal punishment is not only less effective, it actively harms your child's mental and emotional development. Kids who are raised with corporal punishment are statistically more likely to grow up with anger and self control issues. The same parents who spanked their toddler for drawing on the walls are the same parents who act shocked and confused when their kid later gets suspended for fighting.
When you spank your child, you teach them that the correct course of action when someone doesn't do as you say is violence. You don't see how this could cause issues?
XemptOne56@reddit
thats a load of bullshit and completely false and flawed study...
BlairIsTired@reddit
Okay, what proof do you have? Can you link me to alternate studies that disprove it? The study I'm talking about is the Gershoff and Grogan-Kaylor study btw. That study consists of 50 years of research across multiple different countries and involving tens of thousands of children. What study or proof do you have that disproves this study?
XemptOne56@reddit
i dont need a study, its bullshit... just because its a study doesnt make it right either... there is so many "studies" out there performed with a predetermined result in mind, and they will bullshit their way to that result...
BlairIsTired@reddit
If you read the study you would see that its a study made up of multiple other studies spanning decades. So you think dozens of scientists from multiple different countries conspired together over a 50 year period to create a narrative that spanking kids is bad even when it isn't? To what end? What goal were they trying to accomplish? What you're saying simply doesn't make sense.
How did they bullshit the physical results? Children subjected to corporal punishment were shown to have decreased gray matter volume in the social function areas of the brain. How did they bullshit so hard they changed the physical mass of the brains of thousands of children?
You say specifically that kids these days are more out of control. Then why are some of the studies referenced in the Gershoff and Grogan-Kaylor study from the 1950s? Surely if what you're saying is true and corporal punishment does work, and its just that modern scientists are skewing the results, then the studies from the early 1900s would agree with you, right? But they don't. They show the same results.
I think your issue is you have a case of mean world syndrome. You can look it up but basically mean world syndrome is where someone thinks the world is a worse place than it actually is because of media consumption. Of course you think kids today are worse than them were 40 years ago, 40 years ago people didn't advertise their family issues on the internet. You didn't see it. Doesn't mean it wasn't happening, you just weren't aware of it.
The same thing happens with crime. People will claim that crime is so much worse than it used to be and oh people didn't used to act like this! None of that is true. Crime is actually been at a steady decline since the 1990s. It's just that you didn't see that crime was worse, or that people's kids were bad, because there werent as many people on the internet and the news bringing it to your attention back then.
So no. Kids aren't worse today than they used to be. You were just less aware of it back in the day.
XemptOne56@reddit
https://www.psypost.org/does-spanking-harm-child-development-major-study-challenges-common-beliefs/
here, 40 years of studies, by one guy.... Not pieced together shit, that probably use different methods and criteria along the way in each of them.... your mean world theory is very laughable lol...
your profile says youre 24 as of 6 months ago, ive seen nearly double that in my life. children are definitely worse now than before, and i blame soft parenting. like i said, discipline is not abuse. if you discipline to correct a childs behavoir it works, if you do it just because youre a mean abusive asshole the effect is different, i acknowledge that difference where you fail to even see it exists...
BlairIsTired@reddit
I read what you sent and I can see some of his points and where he's going with it (even if I still dont agree) but what he said is still flawed. He claims the other studies don't take into account the difference between abuse and simple spanking, this is completely untrue. The Gershoff and Grogan-Kaylor study defined spanking as open handed swats to the behind. They still found that spanking had an extremely similar emotional effect to outright abuse, about 2/3 of the same response. So you're not really going to convince me to believe a study that straight lied about the study its opposing. Science is all about challenging old studies, if an old study can't hold up to new information then the conclusion must be changed. But if you have to lie about previous studies to prove your hypothesis, it weakens your claim.
Basically what you're trying to convince me of is that even though dozens of other professionals and organizations have data spanning decades that point to one singular, consistent conclusion, I should instead believe this one study? That's not how that works.
Also, my age isn't really relevant. I'm sure these scientists are all older than me. My great grandmother is almost 90 and agrees with me. Are you older than 90? So does that make you wrong just because someone older than you said it? No? Oh okay.
Also the mean world syndrome isn't mine. George Gerbner came up with it in the 1970s based on some communications research he was doing. Multiple studies since then have proven the theory, which started primarily focused on TV and the effect it has on how people view the world and has now spread to the internet and how that shapes how people perceive the world at large to be like.
Two different conclusions with decades and decades worth of proof behind them and you deny them based on "nah I don't think so bc that challenges my world view." You don't have to change your opinion but at least don't try to pretend that it's scientifically valid when 90% of research on the subject directly disagrees with you.
Thayli11@reddit
There isn't much of a difference, when talking about how it effects brain and long term development. It turns out that "Hit people until they do what you say" isn't the guiding star you think it is.
No one is claiming there shouldn't be consequences for children. Just that hitting isn't the most effective.
Shot-Artichoke-4106@reddit
You can absolutely discipline your children without hitting them. My dad used to whip our asses too, and I can tell you straight up that we were not better for it. It made us angry, resentful, and fearful and taught us that dad was not someone to go to when there was a problem. We learned to hide everything from him. Mom had a very different approach. She had very high standards and was big on discipline, but never hit us. Our relationship with mom was night and day compared to dad.
ThisIsPureTrash@reddit
Peers should be the only ones that "whip your ass".
Parents are seen as the protectors for children, and as soon as that bridge is cross you can't put that cat back in the bag.
XemptOne56@reddit
by whipped i mean spanked, not beat up like in a fight, and being spanked is not the same as abuse.... and in a sense my dad spanking me kept me from doing dumb shit a second time, so it did indeed protect me...
ThisIsPureTrash@reddit
I guarantee getting spanked didn't keep you from doing dumb shit a second time. You're a kid, that's not how kids learn.
I got spanked, I got the belt, I got glasses thrown at my head because of a parent with anger issues and many people had it much worse than that. I just got real good at hiding what I did.
XemptOne56@reddit
i didnt have shitty parents with anger issues. i had parents that disciplined me when i fucked up as a young kid. and eventually i learned not to do shit that got me spanked. last time i got spanked was in 1987 for running on top of the roof of my dads Dodge Charger, i was 8 years old... once again, people arent separating discipline from abuse, i wasnt abused, i was discplined
Proud_Huckleberry_42@reddit
I see a lot of permissiveness. And that breeds spoiled kids.
XemptOne56@reddit
ie brats
Thhe_Shakes@reddit
I'm sure many of them subjectively feel that, personal biases being what they are, but the data does not support that theory.
XemptOne56@reddit
i feel like those studies are targeted and incomplete... they looked for the result they wanted and then pidgeonholed it in
rainbud22@reddit
Hitting and knocking your children around just makes you hate them.
ThisIsPureTrash@reddit
Want your kid to actually be better and change the behavior? Teach them like a parent should.
Want your kid to be better at hiding what they do from you? Get angry and whoop their ass.
Randomizedname1234@reddit
And you may need to teach 3-4x before the kids get it, too!
SuperPomegranate7933@reddit
Say that one again for the folks in back! I'm always so baffled when parents expect someone who's totally new at being alive to pick everything up on the first go.
tn00bz@reddit
Yeah, and the studies that focus on brain growth are terrifying. Hitting a toddler literally stunts their brains growth!
Randomizedname1234@reddit
I’m a kid who was beat and now I have 2 daughters. A dad who beats his daughters is setting up his daughters to see violence as normal.
And fuck that!
Consistent-Height-79@reddit
The laws were in place against child abuse in the 90s. As a 70s kids, our parents never hit us (as a rule), but some kids got the shot beat out of them still. Schools in the Northeast didn’t have corporal punishment then, but would hear stories from people my parents’ age.
kearneycation@reddit
Not only that, but the fear leads to secrecy. If my kid messes up I want him to come to me so we can work on a solution together, or if he's in an unsafe situation I want to be able to help him.
WickedRAOD@reddit
Depends upon the generation. Like early 1900’s yes. Lots of spanking and corporal punishment. From around the 1950’s to say 1980’s. Maybe some spanking, but more timeout sort of things. Definitely from the 1990’s it’s all about use your words, do you feel bad? Think about your feelings sort of reactions to bad behavior. I do feel that children learn by how they are treated. If they know there are repercussions and consequences regarding bad behavior, the child’s behavior usually is more socially unacceptable.
nippleflick1@reddit
I'm older, my kids did get their bottom spanked, but it wasn't the first line of deterrence or behavior modification! My kids are in their 40s now and they don't use corporal punishment.
Birdywoman4@reddit
Don’t believe everything you see on tv. It may not be as common as before but some still spank their children when they get out of line especially if they are difficult.
Thayes1413@reddit
I was spanked as a child. Before my son was born we agreed that spanking was on the table if needed. He’s 11 now and I’ve never been mad enough or felt the need to cause him pain. My feel my job is to prepare him for life using words instead of violence.
Ok_Preference6999@reddit
Sometimes a kid really needs to be slapped. I remember disrespecting my mom. She slapped me so hard across the face. It worked. I never talked like that again. Not out of fear but respect and understanding.
andrewrbat@reddit
My wife and I definitely do not hit insult or threaten our children…. Well, we threatened to take away privileges sometimes but that’s about it.
My parents did not usually hit us, except for the occasional very light tap on the bottom. It wasn’t like they were causing us any pain. It was more just to get our attention. My mom grabbed me by the ear a few times when I wasn’t listening, but they certainly never did anything that you could consider abuse. My parents also didn’t really tend to insult us as kids, but they absolutely threatened us. Not with bodily harm but with about everything else. Like threatening to kick us out of the house or throw away all of our stuff if we didn’t follow certain rules.
That was pretty rare though my parents were not the world’s greatest parents and they went through a lot themselves. But they tried their best and ultimately did a decent job.
Most of my worst memories as a child are of my parents arguing and all of the other emotional and psychological nonsense that comes along with having parents with a terrible relationship. I could tell they were trying not to let it affect us too much but there’s only so much you can limit that kind of stuff with all of your dirty laundry is out in the open and your kids are old enough to appreciate what’s happening. I like to think my brother wasn’t as affected because he was five years younger during the divorce, but he definitely remembers more than they would like to think.
My brother and I were never the worst kids and my parents didn’t really have to threaten us much. When we were being difficult, they would suspend privileges, put us in our room or create other similar consequences.
I do essentially the same thing as a parent now. My kids definitely have things that they look forward to. Although they’re quite young, they still understand certain rules and certain principles. We try to be understanding and allow them some grace, but if they do certain things we take away privileges. We try to walk the line between Kriaten a cause and affect situation where they understand that there are consequences for doing the wrong thing, versus needlessly, traumatizing, or sending them into a spiral of emotion. My wife and I were both raised without a good example of what a stable family situation should look like. We have always tried our best to create that stable family situation for our kids. We try to lead by example and hope that our kids will pick up on our best traits. Obviously, they mimic the bad ones too, but we try to minimize our own bad behavior to the extent possible and hope that our kids don’t pick up on too many bad habits. This process is definitely more work than hitting or threatening children, but I also want our kids to trust us instead of being terrified like my parents were of their parents. My dad and my grandfather always had a very weird relationship because of the way he was raised. It wasn’t that much better with my mother and although they got along OK and later life, they definitely did not have the kind of trust and understanding that my parents and I had and that I would like to create for our children.
I’ll tell you in about 15 years whether it was the right decision or not
DiscipleOf_Buddha@reddit (OP)
Thank you for this honest look into your life! It’s interesting to hear that while physical hitting is rare, 'threats' like taking away toys or privileges are common.
In India, we often see the 'perfect' version of Western parenting on TV, but your story shows it actually takes much more effort and patience to build trust without using fear. It sounds like you are working hard to break a cycle and give your kids a stable home. I really appreciate you sharing the reality behind the sitcom image !
andrewrbat@reddit
Sounds a lot cooler when you say it like that but yeah.😃
greaseyknight2@reddit
In the US it is generally accepted (and allowed by law) for spanking children across the buttocks. The caveat is that it should not leave bruises.
Yelling/cussing/verbally going off on children definitely happens as well.
What is not common, and is defined as abuse from a legal sense is things like a slap to the face, punches etc. Not sure what's common in the rest of world, but its not common to rough up children, that would be abuse.
Depending on the demographic, spanking may be more or less common. If its good or effective is a different question.
SpecialsSchedule@reddit
No. It is not true. There are 340 million people in America. There are different approaches to discipline.
Some parents hit. Probably more don’t. Corporal punishment is likely decreasing and it’s typically seen as trashy to hit your child.
crtclms666@reddit
I didn’t even realize that being slapped, kicked, shoved, and picked up and thrown was considered abuse until several years after I moved out of my parents home. I thought that happened to all kids. Reinforcing that, one of my best had the same “upbringing.” After college, I confessed to my boyfriend that I thought maybe I had been abused. His reaction was, “DUH! We’ve all been trying to tell you that, and you brushed it off.”
I’m just posting this because kids don’t always realize anything is wrong.
dkesh@reddit
While I agree with all the answers that the US is a big country and the West is even bigger and that there are some subcultures or families where hitting children is more common, the truth is hitting children is overwhelmingly considered not just a bad idea, but barbaric and horrifying. There's an acceptance that parents in other places might do it as part of their cultural practice but most people find the idea of a parent in the United States hitting their child not just a bad idea, but extremely immoral.
I know parents of many different ethnic, racial, religious, and political backgrounds. No parent I know would admit to hitting their child because they know they would be socially ostracized and likely investigated by authorities. It's possible some of them do behind closed doors but frankly I doubt it.
Scott72901@reddit
It varies.
I was spanked by my parents. Then I had a kid and realized that if I can't hit one of my co-workers as corrective or punishment for not finishing a project, why would I spank my kid for not cleaning their room or putting away toys?
OttoVonPlittersdorf@reddit
'Cause kids can't hit back very effectively?
Outlaw_Josie_Snails@reddit
It was more common with past generations.
Often, a leather belt would be used to spank the children. In Southern states, children were made to "pick their switch" (switch = tree branch), and the child would be whipped with that branch.
Sufficient_Career713@reddit
There are some real generational/cultural/class divisions on this topic. However, I would say in general it is considered an unacceptable, dangerous, and lazy form of engaging with one's child.
"Bad behavior" comes from somewhere. A child who is engaging in "bad behavior" is probably hungry, tired, or having age appropriate reactions. Also little kids have virtually no impulse control and aren't great at determining outcomes for their actions. We have to teach them not punish them for what is ultimately completely normal for their brain development. Yea, my kids whines when she wants something and it is annoying. I have to hold my ground if it is not an acceptable thing she wants but if she's whining bc I'm on my phone and she wants to play? That's on me. If she's getting super wound up and acting out near bedtime? She's just tired and it's time to wind down a little earlier. Is she about to kick over her chair she's sitting in? Safety issue. We have a conversation "Remember the last time you kicked your chair over while sitting in it? It was really scary and you bumped your head."
Natural consequences are good. Recognizing why behaviors are happening is good. Learning to self-regulate emotions as an adult so that we don't overreact and use violence to control children? Turns out it's not that hard.
In no way is it considered acceptable for adults to use violence to control/punish one another so why would it be okay to do to a vulnerable child? It is our job to not only prepare them to be in the world but to also create safe and loving relationships for them model throughout their lives. I don't want my kid to hit people when others aren't doing what they want therefore I will not hit my kid. I do want them to learn how to control their reactions to their feelings, have a conversation, and be empathetic so that's what I do.
kjlsdjfskjldelfjls@reddit
That sums it up. If anything, the message you'd be sending is that violence and aggression are (in fact) an acceptable answer to interpersonal problems. The absolute worst-case scenario for parenting, IMO.
leifashley27@reddit
It really changed in the late 90's. I was born in 79 and got my fair share of physical punishment (wooden spoon, belt, etc) in the 80's. I don't think it was ever abusive, just a different generation.
I think people still do it today but for the most part, other ways of communicating to your children work better. I can't say that I have never spanked my kid (maybe once when that little guy bit me and wouldn't let go) but other than that, we've talked to our kids.
Altruistic_Fly_5807@reddit
I’m older than you and wooden spoons/ belts were seen as abusive.
OttoVonPlittersdorf@reddit
Yeah, but she's from Texas.
feralgraft@reddit
Its always been abuse, abuse was just more socially acceptable in the past
bsinions@reddit
Me and my siblings got spankings, but they were very very few and far between. It had to be pretty bad. And it was never a spanking in the immediate aftermath like when my parents were still mad in the moment.
It was later, during a discussion like- “ok here is what you did wrong after repeated warnings not do it, and this is your punishment”
ceanahope@reddit
I grew up fearing the wooden spoon, belt and spankings. My mother co tinted to use physical punishment, intimidation and scare tactics until I was in my early 20s. A great example of what my lived experience was growing up is the video of Nicole Staples (who was convicted with child abuse). I never got picked up by my hair, but the language, absolute rage in her voice, name calling and some of the hitting was a thing. (TW if you deal with any kind of PTSD or are empathetic when children are abused)
TV shows are the "perfect" world version of an American family. Some DO exist like that.... wasn't my lived experience.
BlueFuzzyCrocs@reddit
Spankings are still a thing with many people. There is a growing number of others that act like any physical discipline is abuse. You can usually pick them out in a crowd by their screaming, troublemaking children
OttoVonPlittersdorf@reddit
Lol. I wasn't going to put that out there, but I'm glad someone did.
unrotting@reddit
It’s less common than it used to be. It’s seen as abuse much more frequently.
You might not see it on TV because nobody wants to depict physical violence towards children as normal behavior. Only an abusive parent who’s dangerous to their entire family is going to be shown hitting kids.
YNABDisciple@reddit
Times have changed but I'm 46 and my father absolutely hit me. He wasn't abusive in relation to the norm where I was.
kenster77@reddit
I grew up way back in the 1960s-70s, only got a little swat on the butt once. A buddy down the street got regularly hit with belt and even punched a few times. His dad was was a former basketball player, big and tall, and mean. So it varies greatly.
pandabelle12@reddit
My c-ptsd would like to have a word.
It depends a lot on the family. In my case I have severe psychological harm as a result of being hit/spanked as a child. I’m in therapy working through it, because it’s a lot. A lot of it stemmed from being undiagnosed AuDHD and having zero support to get through my childhood.
Research has shown better ways to discipline children. I used to teach parenting classes and honestly I want to get back into it again after I’m better recovered from my own trauma.
I used to be a foster parent (wound up adopting and due to her attachment trauma having constant changes wasn’t in her best interest) and i had to sign a contract to never use corporal punishment. My daughter came to us nearly feral, having only experienced being hit. Her behaviors slowly improved through being taught the right way to do things, being given acceptable alternatives, and facing natural consequences for her actions.
There is a huge problem currently of parents thinking the only other option to physical discipline is being extremely permissive and giving their kids zero consequences. That’s not the right way.
The purpose of discipline is to teach your child. I want her to understand the why and not just not to do something.
Prestigious_Pen9850@reddit
Never for me and my friends growing up (late 20s) upper middle class in the northeast. But we got our phones taken away, privileges, and grounding a lot. When I was little, timeouts (1 min for every year of your age). Some friends would get sent to their room, but my parents thought that seemed like a reward lol
dragonfeet1@reddit
I got spanked once or twice by my dad but my mom would go HAM hitting me with stuff. She broke a wooden ruler across the back of my legs once. And then I got another whuppin' for breaking the ruler.
OttoVonPlittersdorf@reddit
Oh man, my ass claimed the lives of many wooden spoons. And I'm a better man because of it. I had to draw the line at oak towel rods, though. When she came after me with that, I had to take it away from her. Obviously, I was bigger by that point. We laughed and laughed.
Altruistic_Fly_5807@reddit
Yee haw. How ridiculous and out of control.
mothwhimsy@reddit
It was so common that people get really mad when you call spanking child abuse. It's far less common now but people still do it.
RectorAequus@reddit
My parents beat the shit out of me.
I've seen parents in public spank, smack hands, pop kids upside the head. So it still happens.
Me, personally, beyond smacking hands or flicking ears I don't hit my kids. Pain is meant to get attention immediately, not to punish. Smack a tots hand when it's headed for danger to stop them. Flick a teens ear to shock them out of whatever ridiculous argument they are trying to make with their equally ridiculous sibling.
78723@reddit
Hitting your children is considered child abuse among a majority and growing portion of USAmericans.
DMGlowen@reddit
I am a gen xer, my parents spanked me a couple times, even used to switch once.
I think they quit when I outgrew them physically but also when they realized it didn't stop the bad behavior.
My wife was a Genxer. Her stepfather was AH, he beat his stepchildren as a form of punishment. It didn't fix the problem either. It just made the three of them hate him.
brokesciencenerd@reddit
i try my best to do the "authoritative" parenting style. I was treated subhuman as a child...i won't spread that toxic shit any further. The authoritative parenting style: An evidence-based guide
Prudent-Tea4781@reddit
I was born in 1991. I got my fair share of spankings or a belt to the ass. These days it’s considered outdated and mildly barbaric too many.
SummitJunkie7@reddit
A generation ago, "spanking" was common and thought of as different from other physical punishment, as in spanking is acceptable while beatings are abuse. A generation before that, teachers and even other adults in the community could hit children to discipline them, instead of only their parents.
Now it is no longer common, normal, accepted - that's not to say there aren't any parents who hit their kids, but it's more common now to think of any physical punishment as child abuse. Parents in control of themselves generally don't hit their kids, and those that do are abusers and CPS can get involved.
wishiwascryingrn@reddit
I was spanked with a hand, then a spatula and then a leather belt. I was kicked in the head and strangled once for breaking a mirror. I'm a millennial. I do think I was relatively unique among my friends though.
SecretRecipe@reddit
I have 4 kids and I've only hit one of them. He got in trouble at school for bullying and that really really pissed me off so I wanted to show him what it was like to be bullied and afraid of someone and how shitty it was. In hindsight probably not the best parenting move (for context he's a 6' tall teenager, not some little kid).
fakeuserisreal@reddit
It varies a lot. It's generally on the decline, but it's not uncommon for older folks to blame any given social ill on the fact that people weren't hit enough as kids.
Someone spanking their kid in public would definitely turn heads, but I don't think it's illegal in most places.
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Gavacho123@reddit
My mom beat the ever loving shit out of me and my brothers, I as a result did not use physical punishment with my boys, I never even considered it as an option.
6a6566663437@reddit
Depends on the age of the child. You do something appropriate for that age.
“Time outs” are surprisingly effective on toddlers. They really don’t want to have to sit somewhere and be bored.
Yeah, tantrums happen but you have to understand why they’re doing it to help them learn to stop doing it. And also ensure the tantrum doesn’t get them something they want.
“Stop that or you don’t get to do (thing you want to do)” works pretty well once they know you’ll follow through.
It should be noted beating children is still common among some minority groups and the poor. Sometimes for cultural reasons. But also those strategies above require being able to take the time to implement them. You can’t do a time out when you don’t have time to sit there with the kid to enforce it.
kjlsdjfskjldelfjls@reddit
I was never physically attacked or abused by my parents in that way. And if any of my own friends started doing that that to their own kids, I would cut off all contact.
the_real_JFK_killer@reddit
Hitting your children is generally seen very negatively. Legally, in many (most?) States you can spank your child legally but its a fine line between this and physical abuse.
If you tell people you hit your kids in the us, especially in a manner other than a spanking, prepare to be ostracized and probably have a few visits from social services.
elucify@reddit
How do you handle coworkers and friends who are being very difficult?
It used to be common and socially acceptable in even these contexts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_of_Charles_Sumner
butcheroftexas@reddit
"Corporal punishment" is legal even in many Texas schools. But over the years there have been programs to crack down physical abuse, and I heard stories about police arresting parents for spanking their child in public.
Based on my experience in my family and seeing other families, I do not believe in physical discipline. It is a kind of weakness, when a parent is tired and cannot argue and explain anymore, to resort to physical violence.
teemell19@reddit
I was beaten a lot. Born in 1988.
Vkardash@reddit
The West is a very big place with a lot of different people and personalities. Some do and some don't. I would say it is far less common but it still occurs
WonderfulVariation93@reddit
Lot of data published that proves physical discipline is not that effective and actually leads to more problems.
theHAREST@reddit
Adrian Peterson, a football player, pretty famously was charged for assault and negligent injury of a child for disciplining his son with a switch.
So it happens but it’s not only frowned upon but pretty illegal as well.
guacasloth64@reddit
It still happens for sure, but (depending on severity) corporal punishment for children is seen as controversial, distasteful, or straight up illegal. More rural or traditional areas might see something like spanking as normal and acceptable child-rearing, while other places might see it as morally reprehensible. I don’t know the exact letter of the law in most places, especially since it varies from state to state, but generally if a parent strikes a child in a way to cause visible injury, especially on a regular basis and/or to a dangerous extent, that parent would likely lose custody of their children and be criminally prosecuted. The enforcement of this is not uniform, especially since that sort of think is often invisible to those outside of the household, but people like teachers and doctors are legally required to report instances of child abuse (and other domestic abuse of a partner or spouse) to law enforcement. Hitting kids was more acceptable in earlier generations than it is now.
WritPositWrit@reddit
Just like in India, there are a billion different parents in the US with a a billion different outlooks. I never hit my kids, my parents never hit me. That doesn’t mean everyone is like that.
DiscipleOf_Buddha@reddit (OP)
Also, to add more context: in India, hitting children in school was considered ' NORMAL ' until very recently. Even I grew up seeing it. I assume that in the US, teachers never had the right to hit children and it was never considered 'normal' there? I’d be interested to know if schools in the West have always been strictly against hitting
No-Profession422@reddit
My dad never got that memo. It was open season. I "fell" a lot as a kid.
That said, I never hit any of my kids.
JohnSnowsPump@reddit
According to TV, before the 1969s married couples slept in separate beds and bathrooms had no toilets.
Also, almost everyone was white except entertainers, servants or criminals.
GSilky@reddit
Middle class white people usually don't.
unrotting@reddit
They don’t in public. I know a lot of middle-class white people who were hit or abused.
Cultural_Iron2372@reddit
Ehhhh the majority of middle class white Protestants believed in corporal punishment up until very recently 😬 maybe upper middle class didn’t as much.
shbd12@reddit
Middle-class white Protestant here, in my world, it stopped being widespread in the late '80s and 90s. My experience is limited to the big cities of the Northeast. It might be different in more rural areas.
Khajiit_Has_Upvotes@reddit
This is the real answer.
Redbubble89@reddit
I got it a few times but in the 90s and boomer parents. It's not what parents do today as parenting continues to evolve.
AnustartIbluemyself@reddit
It can vary by socioeconomic class, region, and culture.
But in the Venn diagram of these factors I reside in, it is considered abhorrent to hit your kids.
Studies consistently show that this is harmful behavior, so hitting your kids is just seen as beating a child for your own selfish catharsis. Which…it is. So it’s wrong.
Rarewear_fan@reddit
It's definitely gone down over the last 25 years.
Millennial parents abhor corporal punishment at higher rates compared to previous generations. Take what you will with this information.
goodrevtim@reddit
In the US, physical punishment has been on a pretty steady decline since the 50s and 60s. It still happens though in some families.
Stressed_C@reddit
It has lessened in the past 20 or so years. Studies have shown that corporal punishment for children doesn't really work in the way they think since it just makes the child afraid of their parents and not fixing why the child was acting out in the first place. Also, now there is a much finer line of what counts as a physical punishment and what is child abuse.
5x2x5@reddit
Never hit a child, all it teaches them is that you cannot be trusted and don’t have the ability to solve problems without lashing out. There are literally thousands of other punishments that don’t involve physical violence.
My mom hit me and she will die alone, because I refuse to speak to her. My dad never hit me and he is the only adult I trusted as a child.
Appropriate_Cat9760@reddit
Growing up 60 years ago spanking was common and corporal punishment was also practiced in schools in my state, California. I know families in the US who continue to physically punish their children, but it's not depicted as much in popular media.
vaginawithteeth1@reddit
Spanking became less popular by the late 90’s I’d say. There’s still people who spank their kids but it’s definitely frowned upon. I was born in the early 90’s and I remember my parents threatening to spank me a bunch but I don’t ever remember actually being spanked.
ChapBobL@reddit
Spanking kids with ADD is counter-productive; they're so distracted by the spanking that they focus on it and not on what they did. Regardless of where you stand on spanking, if your child has ADD a spanking probably will not work.
GeorgeWashingMan2007@reddit
Not true at all.
It's getting more and more common, I think; however, a lot of kids still get hit.
I was definitely one of the kids that got their asses whooped 😅
hungaryboii@reddit
I got spanked as a kid, and got soap in the mouth when I said bad words, id rather get spanked tbh
instinctblues@reddit
Of course there are some that do, but it's a lot more rare now than it was 10 or 20 or 30 years ago. There's plenty of evidence that physical punishment and hitting your children is more detrimental than not, and many parents, at least in the US, have taken that evidence to heart. I experienced corporal punishment from my mother and even my school principal a few times growing up. I've seen my sister raise my nephews into fantastic humans with the very very rare use of physical discipline. I don't plan to do that to my kids at all.
If a child is "difficult" you can explain why things are unacceptable without hitting them. Believe it or not, you can raise a very well-adjusted and well-mannered human without beating them.
Shot-Artichoke-4106@reddit
Hitting kids is considered abusive, so most people don't do that here. There are abusive parents here too, it's just not socially accepted and depending on the level of physical abuse, it can be against the law.
You an absolutely discipline your kids without hitting them, threatening, or insulting them. It's about teaching them what the rules are and then expecting them to follow them - if they don't, there are consequences such as loss of privileges, having to take a time out, missing out on fun stuff, having to work to restore damage that they have done, etc. The consequences depend a lot on the age of the child and what they did. When children are particularly difficult, there is usually something going on with that child, so part of the solution is taking the time to understand what the problem is. Then you sort out the underlying problem, not just punish the child for acting out.
Far_Silver@reddit
Spanking with the open hand is controversial, and most people would consider anything beyond that to be abuse. Historically, it was much more common.
Constellation-88@reddit
Some parents will spank their kids with an open hand on the bottom when children are too young to hold, rational conversation conversations, but even that is falling out a favor as we know that physical violence is psychologically harmful to children, and there have been many studies on the problems with this sort of discipline.
Giving children timeouts, talking with them to educate them on why certain behaviors are acceptable and some are not, and providing consequences such as the inability to do something fun (grounding) or taking away a phone is much more effective without causing harm.
Randomizedname1234@reddit
Yeah I’m not hitting my kids!
I was beat with a paddle and spoons and belts and everything my dad could find.
My kids are well behaved without any of that crap.
ballroombritz@reddit
Some parents do. It varies widely, but in the social circles I’ve been in, it is regarded as an unacceptable thing to do. I work a child-development related field and I wouldn’t ever dream of disciplining a child physically
How do you handle a child who is being very difficult? This varies widely.
Some approaches include: Time out (making them sit in a boring location, usually for the number of minutes as their age. I.e. 4 minutes for a 4 year old)
Speaking to them, like you said. Often giving them other choices (ie, “running into the street is not an option. If you want to run, you can run in the yard or at the park”)
Taking away privileges (no iPad or no going to a friends house, for example)
ShortRasp@reddit
My mom would use a studded belt to spank me as a kid. So yeah, we got hit.
Elivagara@reddit
Not so much anymore, but when I was growing up in the 80s and 90s I'd get sass slapped out of my mouth and a wooden spoon across the knuckles. My husband is about my age, he got hit a lot.
Altruistic_Fly_5807@reddit
Horrible.
niftyzach2@reddit
Its not wise spread if thats what youre asking. Child abuse still happens unfortunately but physical punishment is less common than it used to be
rawbface@reddit
A lot of parents are just now breaking the cycle.
This is the followup question every time I ask myself "What would my parents have done?"
HotPinkSunglasses@reddit
I was never hit and I never hit my kids.
Buford12@reddit
Here is what you don't know. America is a Hodgepodge of different cultures and races. I live in Ohio the largest immigrant group in Ohio is Indians. I am pretty sure they did not change how they parent just because they moved to Ohio.
killingourbraincells@reddit
My mother used to make me pick my own whippin switch from the tree. Grew up in the south. I was born in '98.
Jswazy@reddit
It definitely still happens but most people have realized that it's not a good idea to abuse your children. It's just a stupid concept if you're an adult and you hit another adult it's completely illegal why would you raise your kids thinking that's a way to solve a problem when it's just going to get them put in jail.
little_runner_boy@reddit
Some do, some don't, some use leather belts
asexualrhino@reddit
I got popped once or twice. It didn't hurt, just enough to let me know my mom was very serious.
But she was spanked, her older siblings beaten with a spoon. My dad got belted.
My friend who's my age got belted for everything. Like they would make up reasons to hit her
It's child abuse and illegal, but it happens. Then the parents wonder why their children have such bad emotional regulation and end up having trouble in school and go to jail
Altruistic_Fly_5807@reddit
Never ever? Why do you say such things? Of course some parents do.
It’s considered pretty low class and ineffectual, though.
winteriscoming9099@reddit
It’s waned in popularity. It’s definitely not universally true. My parents (esp my mom) would on rare occasions. But it’s something that’s significantly declined in popularity with studies showing it’s not effective. Also, as a general rule, I wouldn’t use TV shows as a gauge of what the real culture of a place is like.
Kraken0915@reddit
I was spanked as a kid, I spank my kid. There are self imposed rules though. No spanking while in a rage (if I'm grinding my teeth), we talk about it and why it happed after. Middle class white guy here.
KimBrrr1975@reddit
It has fallen out of favor to spank kids as punishment. When you argue with your friend or your parent, do you hit them? Of course not. You learn how to manage your emotions and conflict in other ways. You can discipline kids other than hitting them. Numerous studies have shown that kids who are spanked/hit by parents tend to develop trust issues among other problems. When I grew up in the 80s, even our principal at school could spank us. It was traumatizing for many kids. Fear doesn't equal respect. Nor does it improve behavior. Kids just learn to hide it and act out rather than actually learning from their consequences.
OriginalSilentTuba@reddit
It is becoming increasingly rare. It also depends what part of the US you are in. Here in the northeast, it is highly frowned upon. Speaking personally, I have never hit my daughter, and I never will.
Pitiable-Crescendo@reddit
Some do, some don't. I was spanked growing up.
I_demand_peanuts@reddit
Mine did
ButtSexington3rd@reddit
There are millions of us. Your answers will vary wildly.
pavelowescobar@reddit
TV is not real life
pickledplumber@reddit
Unfortunately it's becoming more common and our society is the result.
willtag70@reddit
No, it's not true. I believe it has definitely declined in the US, but some significant percentage of parents do use physical punishment, as well as insults and threats.
Full-of-Bread@reddit
It’s quite uncommon nowadays and is generally frowned upon, but it happened plenty before the sentiment changed about 20 years ago.
My generation is probably the last to get spanked as kids regularly.
Noobuh@reddit
It varies wildly between families, some will never hit their child under any circumstance, some will just occasionally spank for certain things, some will go way overboard and beat them till they're permanently injured (although this is usually considered child abuse by most law enforcement agencies)
tsukiii@reddit
Physical discipline was more common in past generations, it’s certainly not gone today but it’s less prevalent. There is a lot of scientific evidence that it’s detrimental to childhood development.
azorianmilk@reddit
It happens, it's frowned upon.
ProfessionChemical28@reddit
Real life is not the same as tv. Child abuse is illegal here but does still happen. Culturally it is not widely accepted here to physically punish children like it is in India
ShipComprehensive543@reddit
Some do, some don't.
SaltandLillacs@reddit
It used to be pretty common to hit your kids but now it’s frowned upon. Some people do still hit their kids but they probably won’t admit to it
Deep-Source-9735@reddit
Not true lol
Nynasa@reddit
No
dystopiadattopia@reddit
Haha no
brokenman82@reddit
I got spanked a handful of times but that was it.