Intel preparing Z990 and Z970 chipsets for Nova Lake-S desktop CPUs
Posted by Dangerman1337@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 127 comments
Posted by Dangerman1337@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 127 comments
imaginary_num6er@reddit
You see that motherboard render? It shows 6 SATA ports. Remember that when Z990 launches since newer AMD AM5 motherboards only include 2-4 SATA ports even on ATX
tnoy@reddit
I'd rather them note waste IO in the chipset to provide more SATA ports. The chipset should just expose PCIe lanes and let board makers attach something like an ASM1061 for legacy SATA ports, which is what you'll see on Z890 boards.
Strazdas1@reddit
Its not a waste. SATA ports are essential.
almostready2fly@reddit
Essential to who? I haven't been using them for like 8 years, NVMe all the way
Strazdas1@reddit
People who use storage devices.
1mVeryH4ppy@reddit
So? Most new builds use m.2 storage exclusively.
imaginary_num6er@reddit
Have yo seen the prices of M.2 drives lately?
almostready2fly@reddit
I bought my SSDs before this memory craziness, so I will reuse them. That many people seriously buy new SSDs every year?
Exist50@reddit
Is SATA any better? Who's even making new SATA SSDs?
imaginary_num6er@reddit
Samsung is still making them since MLID is wrong about Samsung not making them
Ashratt@reddit
Even pre price explosions sata ssds made no sense.
They were around the same price as m2 or even a bit more and multiple times slower
budderflyer@reddit
Not to much you can keep using SATA drives you already have...
Strazdas1@reddit
No they dont.
steve09089@reddit
Any stats to back this up?
ProfessionalPrincipa@reddit
The only people who are using more than 1 or 2 SATA drives are 99% likely DIY NAS enjoyers and they're probably adding dedicated SAS/SATA cards to get more ports anyway.
soggybiscuit93@reddit
My Z890 board is also only 4 SATA ports...which I'm using for a DIY NAS lol.
It's not a huge deal because PCIe -> SATA adapters are cheap. It's like $50 for a 12port adapter card.
mrheosuper@reddit
The problem is it consumes pcie lanes and slot. Consumer platform does not have many pcie-e lanes. And on ITX board, there is only single pcie slot
soggybiscuit93@reddit
You can comfortably get away with 1 lane per drive.
The use case for this many drives and this many PCIe Lanes is niche enough to not lift the costs of everybody else by adding more SATA or PCIe lanes to consumer boards that'll rarely ever use it.
In my case, I have a 265K on Z890. Got 4x 18TB drives on SATA, and a 1TB NVME for cache drive. Nothing else. That's enough to 54TB of usable storage after parity with an Unraid server, with enough CPU + iGPU to handle numerous Plex Streams.
With my setup / case + PCIe add-in card, I could add another 216TB of storage. And if I need to add a dGPU for more transcoding compute, I could easily run it on 8x PCIe without issue.
wpm@reddit
1 lane of PCIe 5.0 can support 5 separate SATA 3 drives at 6Gbps (1 lane is 31.5Gbps). And since basically no SATA drives actually max out SATA3 speeds, you can probably fit a sixth on there and not even notice.
Thats talking theoretical limits. In reality, since no drive will be saturating the bus at the same time as others most of the time, most SATA-PCIe bridges allow for more SATA ports than the PCIe connection could theoretically saturate. ASmedia has 6 port controllers on PCIe 3.0 x2 links. It really doesn't matter. 7200rpm NAS drives with decent caches are gonna max out at like 120-150MB/s on best-case reads. Plenty of headroom for a PCIe link on one or two lanes of 2-4GB/s.
froop@reddit
Then don't buy an itx board for your nas.
ComplexEntertainer13@reddit
Intel has plenty via the chipset that are not really suitable for high demand devices. You have boards that exposes 20~ lanes via PCIe slots and m.2 etc, that goes via the chipset.
But you only have a 8X 4.0 uplink, so those lanes are not suitable to be populated by GPUs, high speed network cards and the like. You want those on dedicated lanes from the CPU. So if you are using one of these Intel consumer boards for a NAS. You put all the bulk storage behind the chipset where it belongs.
Leo1_ac@reddit
Wrong. I use 4 SATA drives and I don't even know what NAS is.
EmekaEgbukaPukaNacua@reddit
Sata cards are very hit or miss.
HBA hogs memory and is designed for server with high air flow meaning you often need to custom mount a small fan for it just to cool it.
Neither is ideal. 6 Sata ports is awesome for NAS.
TwoCylToilet@reddit
HBAs hog memory? How so?
EmekaEgbukaPukaNacua@reddit
lol I got memory on the mind.
I meant power.
TwoCylToilet@reddit
What are you even spewing? I have been running HBAs on two of my personal machines in order to address cheap MLC SAS 12G SSDs. One of them has been doing so inaudibly since 2019.
LSI-2308 based cards with 2 x four-lane ports consume between up to 16W peak, even when addressing hundreds of drives. Older LSI-2008 cards use up to 14W peak. Any typical desktop case with front fans between 120mm to 180mm operating well below 40dB(A) will be able to dissipate that heat even after pushing through hard drives.
EmekaEgbukaPukaNacua@reddit
That is not the general consensus among the home server community.
Also, I’m not even sure what you mean about 40dba. The best consumer cooling fan on the market is a noctua g2, which the 120mm fan has a MAX dba of 22.5. Are you talking about running server fans? All you need to do is look up “lsi HBA heat Reddit” on Google and see for yourself the reality that these things overheat unless you have great, direct airflow on them, or install something like a custom 40mm fan, with something like zip ties to jury rig it(or 3d print a custom mount for said fan).
jhenryscott@reddit
Honestly you should be using an HBA anyway o eve you get into serious storage.
mumbgamer@reddit
You can mostly use 4 of the 6 sata ports anyway because usually one of the nvme slots on the motherboard share pcie lanes with those 2 ports. Using the nvme slot disables those shared sata ports
RedTuesdayMusic@reddit
That was last seen on b450...
Godnamedtay@reddit
Please just give us a dimm Z990 at launch, somebody…anybody.
Cerebral_Zero@reddit
Sorry, best we can give you is 6 DIMM dual channel
mxforest@reddit
Quad channel memory or bust.
dexteritycomponents@reddit
But… why?
Quad channel isn’t used in consumer platforms for a reason—because it’s pointless. We aren’t bottlenecked by the bandwidth enough for it to matter.
If for whatever reason you need quad channel memory, then buy a platform that supports it. But saying quad channel or bust for consumer hardware is incredibly silly.
wpm@reddit
Why does every Apple Silicon Mac with an Mx Pro or better have at least 3 memory channels then? Is a "Mac Mini" not a consumer platform?
-protonsandneutrons-@reddit
For the high core iGPU. NVL desktop is not rumored to have many iGPU cores, AFAIK.
Perhaps the 52-core CPUs but how much is bottlenecked by thermals vs mem BW…
Gearsper29@reddit
That was true in the past but now there are usecases where quad channel would offer benefits to consumer platforms. The first is much faster local ai inference and the second much more powerfull integrated gpus.
dexteritycomponents@reddit
At the current RAM prices, 4 sticks of ram buys you a GPU better than any iGPU.
The bottom line is if you need quad channel, buy threadripper or xeon.
mxforest@reddit
Have you seen the AI TOPS thing being tossed around everywhere? It is helpful for prompt processing but the generation of response is totally bound to memory bandwidth. By increasing to quad channel, even consumer machines will get twice the speed for local AI. The local models are not good enough now but things are changing fast.
soggybiscuit93@reddit
Quad channel benefits local AI mainly because it allows you to swap models in and out of (dGPU) VRAM faster.
On package AI abilities for these CPUs is too slow for hobbyists. NPUs are mainly there for developers to leverage for acceleration and for frequently running tiny models at low power consumption
mxforest@reddit
You could not be more wrong. People are legit using RAM for MoE models. A 30B MoE model with 3B active params flies on RAM alone. Perfectly usable. At least play around with what is possible before jumping to conclusions. OpenAI's Open Source 20B model is a good place to start. It will legit blow your mind.
soggybiscuit93@reddit
And what is doing the compute?
If the GPU is doing the compute, the model needs to be in VRAM. MoE works well because it can store the models in System RAM and then Swap them in and out of VRAM as necessary. The memory bandwidth is important for that.
And it also helps when models can't fit into VRAM and spill out into System RAM.
Who is running 20B models on CPU using System RAM and how does that performance compare to something like a 5080? I only have 8GB of VRAM, and I struggle with even modest models because of VRAM Spillover, and quad channel would help me with that, but it would be even slower if my VRAM was empty and I was running straight from System RAM
Noreng@reddit
If the compute is done by the GPU, then what's even the point of going quad channel? PCIe 5.0 x16 only supports 64 GB/s, which is less bandwidth than dual channel DDR5.
soggybiscuit93@reddit
The CPU uses system RAM to select, prep, and decompress the MoE model for swap, so more CPU memory bandwidth helps accelerate that step - which can be a bottleneck in a lot of MoE workloads.
If this step slows down, the GPU gets starved and waits on the CPU to finish prepping the next model.
But ultimately at the end, those models need to be moved over to VRAM for the compute. I can't imagine anybody is working in large 20B models "on RAM alone" as he says - at least not at any reasonable speed compared to on the dGPU.
Still, making consumer "quad channel" will just raise prices for everyone, and AMD/Intel make TR/Xeon for that niche that needs even more memory channels. Moving consumer platforms to "quad channel", while nice, will make non-AI builds that don't need that bandwidth more expensive.
Noreng@reddit
I see, in that case I suspect the rumoured L3 increase will help performance in that part significantly. Memory bandwidth will also improve a fair amount thanks to a new memory controller.
soggybiscuit93@reddit
One thing I can't find it ARL vs Zen5, Epyc vs Xeon AI MoE benchmarks.
CPU and memory bandwidth play an important role in prepping MoE models for the dGPU, but AI benchmarks seem to focus on 1) the dGPU performance itself vs other dGPUs, or 2) The CPU performance of running an AI Synthetic benchmark.
But I feel like there's a rather large unknown about what happens if you have ARL vs Zen 5, and are running an AI model on dGPU that exceeds VRAM capacity. Or running MoE that is swapping models in and out of that GPU.
hackenclaw@reddit
use to have HEDT platform, AMD intel killed it.
IMO, mainstream platform should only top out at i7 while i9 goes to HEDT, they need to reintroduce HEDT platform for power users.
mrheosuper@reddit
Isn't Threadripper HEDT ? Datacenter would use EPYC
Aw3som3Guy@reddit
No, I’d argue that A) without an X3D Threadripper option, and B) just generally what they’ve done to it pricing wise and whatnot, Threadripper isn’t HEDT anymore and firmly “workstation / budget workstation” now, and has been for the last ~two generations at least?
Euler007@reddit
In this economy?
mxforest@reddit
Times change. Can just add more sticks later. When i purchased 10700k, i had a 1080p monitor and 3080, then i moved to 1440p and 4070 ti and now i am rocking an Alienware 4k 240 hz and a 5090 and the processor has stayed the same. It can last a while. We should be future ready to add more sticks when budget allows.
BleaaelBa@reddit
More like Sockets change.
Kougar@reddit
Intel's sockets/platforms don't live long enough for times to change. Probably won't even live long enough to see the end of the AI bubble shortages in 2-3 years.
Slasher1738@reddit
I wish
Rude_Thought_9988@reddit
What happened to the rumored LGA 1700 CPU?
imaginary_num6er@reddit
https://videocardz.com/newz/asrock-confirms-its-z790-and-other-lga-1700-motherboards-will-not-support-bartlett-lake-cpus
Rude_Thought_9988@reddit
Very short sighted of them with the current DDR5 shortage.
siazdghw@reddit
DDR4 prices have skyrocketed too. I get that some people are still on DDR4 platforms, but DDR5 launched way back in 2021, 5 years is plenty of time for people to have upgraded.
PitchPleasant338@reddit
There's no benefit to moving to DDR5 for 99% of the use cases.
Is Excel going to be twice as fast? Will Facebook run smoother? No
Alarchy@reddit
And people are going to buy 48 core NVL to do facebook?
It also saves them die space not having to support a DDR4 portion on the IMC, and can tune better for higher frequency/lower latency memory. Why would they go backwards on IMCs?
SlamedCards@reddit
Intel has a shortage of Intel 7/10nm so they are probably trying to keep the volume small
Visible-Advice-5109@reddit
Yeah, wanna use as much of that capacity as possible on high price sever chips.
kingwhocares@reddit
Most of these are going to OEM's to agreed to these contracts. So, not much loss to Intel.
mach1alfa@reddit
I have a feeling decisions like these were made years in advance and they can’t change it by the time the ramageddon arrived
Intrepid_Lecture@reddit
Bartlett Lake has basically no place in the consumer market.
Hypothetically it'll be better at gaming if you buy a $3000+ video card to play at 1080p low (so basically a narrow slice of weird people)... maybe but probably not.
It's outright a loser on productivity vs Arrow Lake.
And in \~6 months Nova Lake is likely to just be better. Much better.
Lyon_Wonder@reddit
For anyone here old enough to remember, Bartlett Lake reminds me of Intel releasing Tualatin Pentium IIIs back in 2001 that had better performance than early Pentium 4's.
Let's just say Intel didn't want most people to buy Tualatin-based P3s either when it was released, though it did make its way into laptops due to Netburst being unsuitable for mobile use and a handful of 2002-era desktop Celerons.
Intel's going to make sure Bartlett Lake's is even more niche than Tualatin was back in the day given Core Ultra chips are optimized for mobile use.
At least Core Ultra is nowhere as bad compared to the previous generation LGA 1700 Alder and Raptor Lake as the first Pentium 4s were against Tualatin P3s.
Godnamedtay@reddit
Yea but nobody cares about arrow lake
Godnamedtay@reddit
Bartlett Lake S? I mean it’s still coming out, just edge only. I’ve also read that Asrock won’t even be supporting them with bios updates so that tell u everything u need to know. If u look at the info on Intel’s website regarding Bartlett Lake S CPU’s, under OS compatibility, it only lists windows 10/11 IoT LTSC…so Idk why anyone would be or is surprised about these being enterprise/OEM only chips. It hasn’t been a secret.
AnechoidalChamber@reddit
I wonder when Intel will wake up and make a socket that lasts at least 3 or 4 gens.
I ain't going back to Intel even if they get performance and power parity back unless they do this. Nuh huh.
f1rstx@reddit
It’s not as important as people make it
HowieHamlin@reddit
I honestly don't understand how people still say this in 2026, and defend this bad practice. It does matter, especially in this market with everything getting more expensive.
Just because YOU dont care, means we all want to bend to what think is ok. Intel can make it work for 3 gens.
Strazdas1@reddit
They say it because its true. For 99% of users there will be absolutely no difference whatsoever because they will always replace the motherboard by the time they replace CPU.
HowieHamlin@reddit
You repeat this 99% statistic but you have no statistic other than yourself to back up your point other than; UpGrADes ARe a BAd VaLUe. We should start going after the people who upgraded gpus every Gen too and parot to them how much money they waste.
Strazdas1@reddit
people upgrade GPUS far more often than they upgrade CPUs within same socket.
HowieHamlin@reddit
I would rather have to option, and never use it. Then have to be forced to upgrade motherboard in a short time for no reason. I'll be honest the way the you people go hard for this point is ridiculous. Y'all on r/hardware love morally grandstanding amd, especially with things like the int8 fsr4, which can be done already in an unofficial capacity, and amd could easily block it in some way if they wanted to.
But then when it comes to sockets, we gotta kiss poor intel's ass, poor big intel, even with all their blunders, they are still doing fine. Because y'all have a peg shoved up your rear for that company, or maybe its just against the red company, idk.
If nvidia released a desktop cpu tomorrow, and they announced they would keep the same socket for 5 generations, y'all would be praising it probably. And comparing to said red company but not saying anything about blue.
Strazdas1@reddit
I would rather not have the option i never use and have better CPU I/O instead.
f1rstx@reddit
We’re on 2nd gen AM5 and it’s like 3-5% faster than 1st. And i doubt Zen6 gonna be much faster aswell - it won’t be any different to 12-13-14 gen intels. CPUs last far longer performance wise compared to GPUs, even during node shrinks. I bought i7 8700 at release and only replaced it 1.5 years ago, because it held up pretty well.
HowieHamlin@reddit
I remember 12th gen to 13/14 having a pretty decent multicore lift and people upgrading for that reason, especially if they had an i3 or i5 from 12th gen. Even am5, although people joke about zen5% it's a true thing for most of the lineup up, I'm pretty sure the 9800x3d had a strong uplift over the 7800x3d.
It never hurts to have the added flexibility and probably it doesnt cost them much, if anything raises cpu sales, and is a value add for people in the second hand market.
f1rstx@reddit
Majority of people will stay on Zen4 until am6 because upgrades are terrible value for money considering minimal performance uplift. Basic 7500F is more than enough for any AAA game
HowieHamlin@reddit
Right and if they upgrade from a low/mid end gpu to a 4090 or 5090 they may benefit from upgrading to an x3d cpu such as a 9800x3d, especially if they play games that are cpu demanding.
You dont do something, so you dont value it. And maybe you have bias tied up in a certain company that causes you to say this, but why should your use case dictate everyone else's? If you have the ability to upgrade in socket, but never use it bc you buy into the high end cpu from the beginning, fine. But let the rest of us have choice.
f1rstx@reddit
those who have 4090/5090 would've have any of 7000X3D CPUs, which would be sufficient performance wise. 9000X3Ds brings minimal performance improvements
HowieHamlin@reddit
I said if they upgrade to a 4090/5090, you genius, not if they already have it. Then it MAY necessitate or justify a cpu upgrade, especially if they play certain games.
f1rstx@reddit
7500F is enough to drive any game at highrefreshrate anyways
HowieHamlin@reddit
Good idea, actaully. Get the 7500f for cheap now use it until the 11800x3d or 12800x3d releases, then upgrade to what ever the last one is before am6, get almost the same performance as am6 (according to you), get a discount, and save money not having to upgrade to ddr5.
HowieHamlin@reddit
Your like the people defending the removal of the sd card on samsung phones. People are too dumb to use it, so now I have to waste more money cause of those people that bend to knee. I have to buy a phone that bigger and more useless features than I need for more money.
f1rstx@reddit
don't see how it's relevant to discussion
Geddagod@reddit
Why not?
f1rstx@reddit
Nothing points at that
Geddagod@reddit
Tons of levers to push.
Node, standard core IPC uplift, faster mem speeds, new interconnect potential, larger CCX's, etc etc
Zen 5 was the anomaly, just because AMD had a disappointing generation previously doesn't mean we will see the same pattern next gen. And +5% only holds true for vanilla vs vanilla, not X3D vs X3D.
Zen 5 didn't have nearly as many levers to pull thanks to the IOD reuse and use of the same node N5 node family.
Zen 4 (node + uarch) was a better uplift than Zen 3 as well (larger uarch changes), so it wouldn't be too surprising if Zen 6 (node + uarch) is better than Zen 5 (larger uarch changes).
f1rstx@reddit
We will see, I doubt they’ll make decent performance gains.
AnechoidalChamber@reddit
It is for me. It's the difference between keeping a platform for 5 or 6 years and keeping it instead for 10 to 12 years. How?
AM4 was released in 2016, AM5 in 2022, AM6 will probably come around 2028 ( 6 more years ).
I know someone who bought Zen 1, upgraded to 5800X3D later, now he's set until AM6 comes around.
With the RAM prices lately and the motherboard prices that have been creeping up too, it's not insignificant or unimportant.
People want their PC parts to last as long as possible nowadays.
f1rstx@reddit
No, not rly. AM4 is cool and all, but having b350 with lacking modern features is not good. It’s far better to drop in 100$ to upgrade to b550 aswell. So it makes socket longevity pointless
AnechoidalChamber@reddit
Yes, really and it's true for most people who can't even afford a 500$ emergency and who live paycheck to paycheck, which nowadays is more than 50% of the US population.
People have much higher priorities than luxury "toys" features nowadays, like food, medications and shelter. The most basic necessities.
What you said would've still been true 20 to 25 years ago, sadly it no longer is the case in the US and a lot of so called "rich" western countries.
I live with people around me who can't even afford a 100$ emergency. Heck they often borrow money from me for food. I can afford it and to help them too, but I'm among the exceptions.
Strazdas1@reddit
so you know that one person in whole world who got lucky into doing that and has no actual needs to upgrade. Congrats. Irrelevant to vast vast majority of people.
Visible-Advice-5109@reddit
Nobody actually cares. 99% of people will never replace a CPU.
HowieHamlin@reddit
99% percent of people won't build a PC themselves. 99% will buy a laptop instead of a desktop. It's already a bit of a niche market, so we should have to flexibility to upgrade the cpu for a couple of generations. There's no reason not to.
Strazdas1@reddit
no, the more niche the market is, the less you have a right to make any demands on how hardware is made.
HowieHamlin@reddit
So we should fold, when it comes to this, then when one company supports it. The other probably would with a little pressure, there was evidence that socket 1700 would've had more reach if it followed intel's original roadmap.
Visible-Advice-5109@reddit
Laptop market share nowhere near 99% my guy.
HowieHamlin@reddit
Stop licking the boot. The amount of people who will changing cpu in socket is more than 1% then. Just because you dont do it doesnt mean we should defend the bad practice.
Strazdas1@reddit
absolutely and complete nonsense.
Larcya@reddit
Exactly. Like the entire idea of replacing a CPU is so niche it isn't even worth considering.
People aren't buying a new CPU in 2 years. They are buidling thier PC and then waiting 5-6 years until they build a new one. They might reuse some components, say a PSU.
Strazdas1@reddit
Hopefully never, completele waste of time.
Noreng@reddit
You want Intel to release new DDR5 processors in 2032 when DDR6 is coming in 2028?
PitchPleasant338@reddit
Will Excel run twice as fast with DDR6?
HKPolice@reddit
DMI 5.0 x4 is the same bandwidth as DMI 4.0 x8 on the current Z890... Either this source is wrong or Intel is stagnating.
PitchPleasant338@reddit
Or they fired everyone but 2 people in that department.
xSchizogenie@reddit
And I am already saving up to jump from my 14900K to the biggest CPU that nova lake will offer, with a PCIe 5.0 SSD.
Godnamedtay@reddit
The 52 core mf probably gonna be like $1500+
boong_ga@reddit
So, the Z970 is marketed as "Enthuisast" but runs only PCIe Gen4 chipset while the Z990 is also Enthusiast but runs with PCIe Gen5.
Muzik2Go@reddit
I am just hoping that they give the 48(52) core NVL part at least an 350w TDP like Threadripper has. thing is going to be a MT beast.
steve09089@reddit
Hopefully Intel has something to deliver with Nova Lake in terms of uplift, otherwise Zen 6 will reign due to being on the same board.
Though there doesn’t seem to be many rumors regarding either architecture, wonder when they should start spilling out.
Exist50@reddit
It has to, right? On the ST front, they have a node uplift (N2), new uarch (let's say a modest 15% vs LNC), and whatever improvements come from better memory latency via the new uncore. On the MT side, you have literally 2x the cores at the top of the range. Pretty much no way it isn't a large uplift vs ARL. Whether it's enough to beat Zen 6 (and in what) is the question.
Dangerman1337@reddit (OP)
Alps fixed issues like latency which ARL has.
Exist50@reddit
What? ARL's latency issues are intrinsic to the arch.
Noreng@reddit
System architecture you mean? ARL struggles due to a slow ring and slower memory.
Exist50@reddit
SoC architecture. It's not just that the ring is slower, but also that the fabric on the SoC die is Frankenstein's monster. And there's the die-to-die component, of course, but NVL probably won't change that much, and the fabric part is more significant.
U3011@reddit
If Intel addressed their shortcomings with Arrow Lake and be on an equal footing with AMD in this upcoming generation it may very well benefit consumers. Even in this ever increasing hostile DIY environment where external factors are once again making it difficult to enjoy this hobby, whether you have the means or not to partake.
CopperSharkk@reddit
It must be more than that as CGC already has a 5-8% improvement compared to LNC
Exist50@reddit
Why must it be more? 15% over 2 years is actually better than Intel's cadence for the last 5-10 years.
Kougar@reddit
Been plenty for Zen 6, they keep bouncing back and forth between saying 10 and 12 cores per CCD. Last one I heard is that AMD caved and will fully adopt FRED in the uArch which will be great to see. Probably still too early for AMD to have locked down the memory frequency targets yet.
Geddagod@reddit
Who has been saying 10 cores per CCD?
Kougar@reddit
Beats me, I don't pay attention to the speculative rumors and random twitter leakers. I just know I was hearing it last year before it seems to have changed to 12 now.
TwoTimeHollySurvivor@reddit
APX and AVX10.2 is introduced with Nova Lake.
APX alone should put x86_64 on par with Arm v8/v9 on the software side due to the number of GPRs doubling from 16 to 32. Though you will not see general apps using it for the next couple of years.
And the P-cores will come in pairs sharing 4 MB L2.
PastaPandaSimon@reddit
AM5 owners are not a target audience. They are locked to that platform and very unlikely to be upgrading to the 2026-2027 Intel platforms.
Intel would likely target pre-Alder-Lake Intel users, and to a smaller extent, older AMD platform users and new PC builders.
steve09089@reddit
I’m not just talking about the problem with existing AM5 users, but also the fact that Intel’s platform costs will be higher for a decent bit longer as cheap boards for AM5 have been out for a while now.
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