Why do some British people pronounce certain words ending in “g” with a “k” as well?
Posted by Wheresmyarcpaulie69@reddit | AskABrit | View on Reddit | 86 comments
Hello there! My question is as above.
I am aware that there are so many different dialects and accents in the UK, but may I ask why and where did it originate from?
For example, “bang” is pronounced “bang(k)”
Thank you for filling in my knowledge gap!
cornishyinzer@reddit
I don't think I've ever heard "bang" as "bangk", unless it's the actual word "bank" obviously.
"ing" does often get bastardised to "ink" though: "nothing" sometimes becomes "nuffink". I associate that with mostly Cockney/London accents, but it might be more of a class thing than a regional thing.
Of do you maybe mean the way Black Country (West Midlands, north of Birmingham: Wolverhampton, West Bromwich etc) accents release the "g" in "ng" sounds? Almost as if "ng" words are separated into two g's. "Birming-gum", "sing-ger". https://youtu.be/pUyuwtRNSkA?t=509
GingerWindsorSoup@reddit
I’m a Salopian and I was criticised by an ex for saying sing-ging, I never realised until then the emphasis on a hard g in west midland accents.
Background_Stay_6826@reddit
Interesting. I'm a Californian but often (good-naturedly mocking) say to people from Long Island "Oh, you're from the GUY-land!"
This is because people from there tend to say it as you've said people from Salop do -- repeating the final "g" at the start of the next word = "Long GUYland."
Carry on!
Ok_Corner5873@reddit
Only if you were just pissing the bonk
clutchnorris123@reddit
Still don't see what's wrong with the singing pronunciation
No_Television6050@reddit
Hard g's are very pronounced in Lancashire too
AnxiousAppointment70@reddit
In Lancashire we do that ING thing. Bringing in "brin gin
Key-Cardiologist5882@reddit
Yeah the person means the second example you gave
Wheresmyarcpaulie69@reddit (OP)
That tracks, thanks! I heard bang(k) on Peaky Blinders!
amanset@reddit
You have to be careful when analysing accents from TV shows as often the people with the accents are imitating an accent rather than using their own one. Which means they may be getting parts of the accent wrong.
betterland@reddit
I'm from Birmingham and never know my life have I heard "bangk" or whatever. Though the hard "Ng" sound is correct!
cornishyinzer@reddit
Ah, yeah, that'll do it. :D
I haven't noticed it so much in Brummie accents, but it's definitely in Black Country accents (in fact, I'd say as an even-more-south-erner it's one of the main ways I can tell the difference :D).
BuncleCar@reddit
I've heard the sounded g in Lancs too
FinneyontheWing@reddit
That last para is perfect if the OP has heard it on Peaky Blinders.
Background_Stay_6826@reddit
My boss (is from Derby, England. He's been living and working for 15+ years in the S. Francisco Bay Area) and is married to a woman from Alabama.
He pronounces a final "ng" with a very sharp -- almost explosive -- "k" sound. I don't think he does it with just a final "g" -- as in "twig"?
Anyway, just decided to check and yep, yep -- this confirms this "k" pronounciation is, indeed, to be expected from a Derbyite? Derbyman? Derbisher?
hadderzi@reddit
You are absolutely right that some people say singk etc - they're right here in the black country. It's a very soft brief k sound which I would describe as giving the end of the g sound a hard kick.
The Wikipedia article on the black country does a pretty good job of describing the unique sounds and gives the singer example (mentioned by other posters) as singk-ger. But it's definitely also said for words ending g.
How do I know? I say it!! I actually had no idea I was doing it until I went to university and was picked up on it.
Alicam123@reddit
In most places we don’t it’s just a local dialect/accent. Bang is just bang to us in Suffolk. 🤷🏻♀️
andycwb1@reddit
It’s a regional accent in some parts of the country. It’s mostly ‘-ing’ endings that get it.
Interesting_Tea_6041@reddit
"Somethink" rather than "something" is very common in South London.
TooMuchBrightness@reddit
My south London friends that have really strong accents say it like “saa-ink” almost like “sank” it’s very interesting and I haven’t heard any other English accent say it like this. I’m from the south of England, but not from London.
weedywet@reddit
Noffink to see ‘ere
TooMuchBrightness@reddit
I think you’ll find it ‘naaffink’ 😂
GroundbreakingRing42@reddit
In 36 years I've never heard "bang" pronounced "bank". At worst I've heard some people of Asian/Indian descent add an extra G sound "banking-guh". Always assumed it was a vestigial of their parents accented pronunciation of certain words while otherwise having a standard London accent.
As previous comments state "summink/somefingk" is a fairly common old style London-ism (along with it's companion nuffink/nuffingk).
Aaaahfuckit@reddit
I do feel the nowt or ouwt are far superior to summink or nuffink.
GroundbreakingRing42@reddit
I'm a soft southerner so "nowt" isn't really in my vocab. I like to put summink bubbly in me barf and fill it up wiv waw'uh. Naat I mean?
Aaaahfuckit@reddit
Ha ha ha, well done for ADDING the r in bath, that is one thing that frustrates me the most. Barf, parf etc.
I ken ye, as they say even further north.
GroundbreakingRing42@reddit
Haha you can talk! Adding R in "don't".
"I dornt think'e orta gor te loondoon"
Aaaahfuckit@reddit
🤣🤣🤣 it's "I downt think'ye ortu goe t' lundun, thee tawk funni"
Former-Let-2855@reddit
I hear it in London. more like bang-guh.
Former-Let-2855@reddit
(in hindsight I don't think it was Londoners adding the extra guh)
Wild_Ask9773@reddit
Ooh, don’t get me started. I hat that too. “Anything kelse?” Also people who don’t pronounce letter ‘T’ And the inappropriate and excessive use of ‘like’ 😡😡😡😡😡
Former-Let-2855@reddit
some in SEL take it further and say nai-nk and sai-nk
TooMuchBrightness@reddit
Yes! I just commented on this “Saa-ink” I live in south east London and hear it from the real locals! I love regional accents I can’t understand why people get annoyed about the way people pronounce things! It’s often pure snobbery.
_KAZ-2YG_@reddit
In forty odd years on the planet I've never heard anyone put a k on the end of bang. Certainly not in Yorkshire anyway. We speak daft at times, but never bang with a k.
Wheresmyarcpaulie69@reddit (OP)
Idk about that as I’m not English, but I imagine it is indeed difficult to bang with a banana
TooMuchBrightness@reddit
What!? 😂😂😂😳🙈
jupitrix@reddit
Hello, linguist here! This is absolutely a thing, although it's not quite a 'k' sound as you're hearing it.
Although 'ng' is written as two letters, it's just one sound - /ŋ/. This is a continuous sound, so you can basically hold it indefinitely. In most English accents, when you finish making the sound it just stops. However, in some accents there's a sound when it releases which is what you're hearing as /k/. The sounds /ŋ/, /k/, and /g/ are all pronounced in the same place in the mouth, so although we'd normally write the combination as /ŋg/ your interpretation is totally valid since the voicing (vocal cord engagement) doesn't always stop at exactly the same time as the sound and that's the difference between /g/ and /k/.
It's one of those things that a lot of people do without even realising it. A good example is comparing the words 'singer' and 'linger' - someone who doesn't do this might still have the /ŋg/ sound in 'singer' because there's a boundary between a whole word and a suffix, but they'd definitely just have /ŋ/ in 'linger' because it's a whole word. Someone who does do this would always have /ŋg/ in both words - and in my experience would struggle to just say /ŋ/ on its own!
Last time I looked at the data this was mostly a thing in the Midlands and some parts of the North, with the huge caveat that language change is rapid so it might appear in more places now! This is also focused on England specifically because other varieties of British English are not my specialty.
Jinkii5@reddit
Im Scottish, we roll all the Rs and throw the G away.
must be a "British" thing.
Peanut0151@reddit
Nothing/k is a thing in Liverpool too. I remember hearing an elderly man correct a child's speech once, the kid used the word "not'n" instead of nothing. The old fella said "it's pronounced 'nothink'"
Representative-Bass7@reddit
Steve McManaman quite often says when commentating on the football
ThatBandicoot4769@reddit
Not heard that before, but quite a few people in Sheffield say "bockle" instead of bottle and similar other mispronunciations. It drives me mad.
cjdstreet@reddit
Irish/scottish migration
Coldthots@reddit
You have actually never spoke to an Irish or Scottish person if you think they say k after a g 😀
cjdstreet@reddit
Take it you live a sheltered life
Coldthots@reddit
Hink is think, I am literally Scottish mate? 😂
cjdstreet@reddit
Doubt it unless your from invernaewhere
Coldthots@reddit
I’m from Argyll, live in Glasgow and can absolutely guarantee I’ve heard more Irish and Scottish accents than you ever have. You absolute loon 😂😂😂 even OP has established its Birmingham accents they’re hearing 😂 so as we say in Invernaewhere, away and bile yer heid.
cjdstreet@reddit
Every single glasweigian says hink instead of think. Same in Ireland.
No offence but a teuchter thinks he knows more than a born and bread gkasweigian with irish parents and an Irish wife lol. Picked the wrong guy and topic to argue your bullshit with lol.
You're embarrassing yourself pretty bad here.
FinneyontheWing@reddit
Could you give us another example of it?
I think I get it, as in, 'nuffink' rather than 'nothing'?
Wheresmyarcpaulie69@reddit (OP)
I have heard “wrong(k)”, “ping(k)” too!
Key-Cardiologist5882@reddit
I know exactly what you mean OP. You’re completely correct. These other people just clearly haven’t noticed it, or are misunderstanding your description. Don’t worry though, I got you.
FinneyontheWing@reddit
I can't say I've noticed it! Are you from these here parts?
Wheresmyarcpaulie69@reddit (OP)
I’m not British! Just watch quite a bit of British shows 😅
FinneyontheWing@reddit
If you've got nothing to do, could you try and find an example?
If it's replacing 'ing' sounds with 'ink', that's (more commonly) associated with southeastern accents, Thames Estuary, etc.
In a strong Midlands accent (but not exclusively at all), 'ing' sounds can sometimes turn into 'ing-uh'?
Former-Let-2855@reddit
I think it's more the Brummy accent they are thinking of. Wrong-guh and ping-guh, which does sound like k a bit.
Mumph is my favourite London word
Wheresmyarcpaulie69@reddit (OP)
Thank you!
kh250b1@reddit
They really dont
Key-Cardiologist5882@reddit
They really do, you just clearly haven’t noticed it
Key-Cardiologist5882@reddit
A lot of people don’t know what you mean but I know exactly what you mean. I think maybe the fact you’re describing it as a K sound is what’s throwing people off. People might understand if I say it sounds like a solid hard g sound…so bang has a g sound at the end of it like the same way you’d pronounce g at the beginning of words like go or gift, that same sound at the end of words like bang and sting (which can make those words sound like bank and stink to some ears).
I completely get what you mean 100%. If people don’t get it, they either have never noticed it, or have never been around people who speak that way. I get you though. It’s just a dialect thing (and no, I didn’t say think, just a hard g at end there 😉)
Littleish@reddit
Core memory from primary school, a teacher finally spoke to me about some English work I'd submitted because I consistently wrote "somethink" and "nothink". She thought I was doing it intentionally for some reason, but nope that's just how it was pronounced in my household so that's how I thought it was spelled. Corrected the spelling once it has been explicitly pointed out, and then learned how to speak properly.
Affectionate-Boot-12@reddit
*spelt
Littleish@reddit
Both are valid in British English.
AlanofAdelaide@reddit
I fink it's mainly southerners wot does it
Queasy_Jackfruit_474@reddit
Nah mush. Northerners from Birminkham do it.
Extension_Sun_377@reddit
Birmingham is not North! 🤣
Low_Understanding_85@reddit
It is if your saarf ov it.
Extension_Sun_377@reddit
Parts of Manchester turn d into g, especially people from Miggleton
FinneyontheWing@reddit
It Was The Sunk Wot Wonk It
Illustrious-Divide95@reddit
I say my good chap, that's rather common! 🧐
MattDubh@reddit
*Birminkhum.
Comfortable_Walk666@reddit
No, as Brummies we just drop pretty much all hard consonants. Bur-mi-num.
Careful_Release_5485@reddit
You mean English, not British.
Comfortable_Walk666@reddit
Southern English.
Positive_Position_48@reddit
I sometimes say everyfink for comic effect, like Jen in the IT Crowd. Also people that say free instead of three can get in the sea.
textbookroadmapnot@reddit
I’m really interested in accents so I’m loving this discussion. It made me think about keckle for kettle though. Yikes!
Sxn747Strangers@reddit
It really irks me when people say, nothink or even somethink, I can’t understand why, even a member of my family and were in the south so I can’t imagine it’s a regional thing.
I’ve even heard someone on the BBC say it.
Andagonism@reddit
You sure you are not hearing it as 'A'?
For example Ping-ga for Ping.
King-ga
Slyspy006@reddit
It is very difficult to say the word "ping" without having an additional sound after the "g".
PinkyOutYo@reddit
/k/ and /g/ are respectively unvoiced and voiced velar plosives. The pronunciation is affected by many other phonetic features inherent to a particular accent/dialect.
screwthedamnname@reddit
In my experience this is almost solely done with "something" and "nothing" and not really any other words (happy to be corrected!)
It's just a quirk of certain accents over here, generally in working class SE/London dialects.
DavidJonnsJewellery@reddit
I think it started as an east London thing. Then spread out. Eastenders on the TV didn't help. All those middle class actors gor blimey guvnoring all over the place. Somefink, nufink etc
Fuzzy_Possibility@reddit
I’ve heard it with nothing - nuffink and something - sumfink but never those words I have to admit.
seven-cents@reddit
It's dialect, that's it
Neurionz@reddit
Lived here since birth and I have no clue why people do this 😂 just a non posh way of talking for some people, I suppose?
skibbin@reddit
Just sumfink some people do innit.
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