Pretty sure I saw India was landing on the moon in the next few weeks as well. If they have an incident when landing then my interest will be peaked. Seems like a relatively "easy" mission nowadays to drop a rover onto the moons surface, but maybe not if using old antiquated equipment/tech
"easy"...as in we were able to land humans on the moon 50+ years ago, multiple times, using what we would consider nowadays as the most basic equipment. While I understand it's not technically "easy" to launch a rocket into space, get into proper orbit and descend, I have to think its infinitely easier to achieve this now versus the 60's
Not only that but as much as everyone on reddit hates to admit Russia is the most successful space operation in history. Over 1600 successful soyuz launches as well as the unprecedented venus probe landing. The usa paid them over 54 million dollars a seat for decades to transport its astronauts to iss because they couldnt. I'm not particularly a fan of Russia tbh but you have to give credit where credit is do otherwise you are just delusional. We built 18 saturn 5s I believe and Russia built over 1600 soyuz. You can't say they don't have the experience and know how. The USA relies heavily on Russian satellites for precise GPS ect including construction. If they shut off the Russian sats earth moving construction sites around the US would stop overnight. That's a fact. I deal with it everyday.
They've launched 1600 soyuz because it's literally the exact same thing they've been flying since 1960s.
They're N1 moon rocket blew after launch like 4 times... They were never even close to putting a man on the moon.
The new NASA capsule and SpaceX capsules both absolutely put the ancient Soyuz to shame.
They're not even remotely close to the most successful space program. What are you smoking?
This is such a huge issue that a lot of people on Reddit don’t get. They causally talk about the achievements of USSR as if Russia did it but this is simply not the case. Despite all its atrocities, USSR had a goal and people living there were working towards that common goal. Russia right now has no clear strategy and no goals, hence the failures in industries which were once considered the greatest such as the space industry
Do you remember the Sochi Olympics? Russians were putting electrical outlets inside of shower stalls. They are the undisputed kings of the space race. I think it's also fair to say they don't have. . . Build quality.
The Russians are an incredibly capable race. If they ever managed to get their economy in order and reform the communist system, they would probably lead the world.
Those commonalities are shared by all systems. The better explanation rests with Russias inability to prevent and reverse the impacts of western brain drain on their scientific programs. In a global capitalist system, Russia will never compete for pay or quality of life.
The fact you believe that things like censorship and propaganda are integral parts of communism show the wonderful effectiveness of censorship and propaganda where you live.
We have really bad censorship and state propaganda as well though. I'm pretty sure the ones doing the censoring make up many excuses just like we do, the most obvious being "this is for your own safery"
It's still analogous to hitting a bullet out of the air with another bullet.
People really do take for granted how mind blowingly difficult it is to hit something millions of miles away when you have very little room for adjustment on the way.
All that AFTER ou hop on top of a giant explosive to get off this floating rock.
They're landing in a place where nobody has explored before, the lunar south pole.
The connection would be iffy, so problems are more likely to happen. Besides it was Russia, who really are fucked in terms of scientists and economy.
I heard about both of these too recently and they said that India might have a better shot after crashing a previous one, and learned more about the landing mechanism involved. The gravity calls for thruster landing, which could be hard to mimic outside of theory and actually doing it.
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"Bereshit" is the Hebrew name for the book of the Bible Christians call "Genesis." It means, "in the beginning."
I.e., maybe it wasn't an accident. Maybe it's time for us to do our cosmic duty and start seeding other celestial bodies.
What is the purpose of NASA using planetary protection programs when other countries trash the future missions, anyway? “Yay we found life! Oh wait… India left a shit ton of E. coli plus a bunch of plastic. Fuckers.” Billions of dollars later. I know that’s not how it actually works but it’s just… frustrating, and this is off topic, that on a global scale we don’t work together for fucking anything, not even our dying planet. Learning about planetary protection- I never saw what other countries implemented in their planning, maybe they also use it? Maybe not? Probably not!
It is clear that you are not aware of facts and that is no shame. In short Moon is densely populated.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLS6CmWwu5VGlv5KC7i3mVhCbPc0gvwsA\_
Every space program that ever existed has had catastrophic failures. It's incredibly difficult to send things into space, let alone navigate them to Mars or even the moon. Missions ending in crashes are just part of what people should expect.
I legit despise that people don't understand real life isn't kerbal space program and that any mission beyond earth is exceptionally difficult to pull off
The US/EU Mars Climate Orbiter crashed because European technicians calculating the orbit assumed US scientists used Imperial units when, in fact, they had converted their calculations to metric for the European scientists.
>The primary cause of this discrepancy was that one piece of ground software supplied by Lockheed Martin produced results in a United States customary unit, contrary to its Software Interface Specification (SIS), while a second system, supplied by NASA, expected those results to be in SI units, in accordance with the SIS. Specifically, software that calculated the total impulse produced by thruster firings produced results in pound-force seconds. The trajectory calculation software then used these results – expected to be in newton-seconds (incorrect by a factor of 4.45)[16] – to update the predicted position of the spacecraft.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter#Cause_of_failure
To be fair, much of the Soviet space program was designed by Ukrainians. But I was surprised to see that Venera was actually done by a Russian design bureau, so kudos to them I guess. That was one of the most impressive landings ever done.
I don't think its really possible to look at it like that. Whether or not they were Ukrainian or Russians the National identities at the time were leagues different than they are now. Ukraine was just considered a state of the USSR, same with Russia.
So I don't really think it's accurate to say Ukranians did x because at the time they wouldn't have viewed themselves as expressly Ukrainian over being Soviet, and the space program was a collaboration of many Soviet States.
The USSR lasted less than 70 years, let's not overstate it's impact on that kind of culture. Georgians are, were, and will be Georgians, not Soviets. Same for all the other satellite countries.
You're right, but they went through and united in the largest war/front in human history, and especially with the people working on the space program they would be fairly indoctrinated into the ideology.
Actually that is not fully true. USSR was a project of occupation, and occupied countries saw themselves as Georgians, Ukrainians, Latvians and so on. If all the former USSR countries saw themselves as USSR, they would have stayed with the generous and kind mother Russia.
No. Lithuania, Latvia and Estonian would see themselves as independent, but the general culture of Ukraine or Georgia was not extremely independent. Neither of those countries existed Pre-USSR and were fairly happy to stay with the USSR during WW2 where the Soviet identity was legitimized.
I'll meet you halfway, because you're right, but there's more historical/cultural aspects to it imho that make Ukraine more than just a province. But I'm no expert on Ukraine and Russia, so I can't argue my feelings about it too strongly without grasping for straws. Haha
Not to mention it's not all done by one guy. It takes giant teams to build and complete these missions. The smartest guy in the world wouldn't be able to do shit by themselves. Likewise the team wouldn't be able to build anything as well without the lead designer. They're both important, and the goals are not achievable without each other's help.
Besides, more designers coming from Ukraine doesn't really mean much.. maybe they had a good school there? So it would make sense a lot of notable designers would come from a good school. People put too much identity in people's nationality and not their achievements.
I'm Mexican and sometimes people come talking to me about great Mexican people ( people I don't know) and I'm like ugh... I don't give a fuck if someone is Mexican. Actually, why are you talking to me? It's weird. Same with people asking me if they're saying certain Spanish words right. I'm getting off track lol
Same with the last time the US landed anything on the moon. I get having negative reactions to Russia due to the ongoing war, but it's just ignorant to take that approach with everything they've done because " I hate them!!!"
The US is currently flying a helicopter on Mars, next to a nuclear powered rover that is preparing samples for return to earth.
The US also launched and deployed the most complicated space telescope in human history, which is giving us so much new data that it's rewriting the history of the Universe.
I don't think the US has been exactly idle in space, bud.
Don't forget, and I'm pretty much sure this was a purely NASA event, they landed a probe on a fast moving asteroid. Even if the landing was rocky, they were still able to salvage solar energy enough to keep the battery going long enough to get the mission done. That's ingenuity.
Let's not forget about the James Webb telescope which far out strips Hubble.
And plenty others that are either in the works or already underway, except for the horrible failure of bringing those billionaires back to Earth.
The difference between landing on Venus and crashing on the moon is you are drunken grandmother hitting the car at the End of the Street.
[You know that it's easy to look up history, right](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Solar_System_exploration)?
Roscosmos hasn't sent anything past Earth Orbit since the Soviet Union fell. What few probes it's tried to even help out with, have all failed.
Second, NASA sent the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter and lander in 2009. So they have gone back.
Finally, NASA is sending humans back to the moon, sampling and ipacting asteroids, and flying a helicopter on Mars. So please don't act like space exploration just stopped one day. Everyone else moved on and Roscosmos is a 1-trick pony with the ISS and getting Soyuz up there and back.
If only they didn’t that’s so many camera failures with the damn lens cap. Could have double the photos of the surface.
Just makes me want more photos from the surfaces of planetary objects. Been waiting for the day we can get a lander to one of the moons of Jupiter or possibly Titan again.
So you are telling me that a Country that has a GDP of two third of Italy ( using as reference 'cause I'm Italian ) in an actual war economy situation, crash landed a moon probe, something that can happens to NASA or ESA is factual "HIGH strangeness".. you may want to double check what actually strange is or the next blue car you'll se on the road will blow your mind.
>So you are telling me that a Country that has a GDP of two third of Italy ( using as reference 'cause I'm Italian ) in an actual war economy situation, crash landed a moon probe, something that can happens to NASA or ESA is factual "HIGH strangeness".. you may want to double check what actually strange is or the next blue car you'll se on the road will blow your mind.
Good use of money.
I’m sure they could, but that wreckage is gonna be in an obscure area, that hasn’t been researched, and may be unimpressive as far as another planet goes, so why go?
You do recognize that they’re shooting for an area the size of your neighborhood from a whole ass planet away with a damn near 10 figure robot, right?
The next round of high res satellites will probably be able to see it, if the current gen hasn’t seen it already.
That wreckage is going to be in an EXTREMELY obscure area. So obscure that one might even say it wouldn't be on Mars at all, but instead it would be on Phobos where the Phobos 2 crashed
They can yes, but considering the speed of the fastest rover is 0.16km/h (0.1m/h) the spots the rovers are sent to are highly prioritized on what is theorized will offer the best scientific data. Seeing a crash site is very low on the priority list, but if we continue sending rovers, with greater speeds and distances old crash sites will be looked at inevitably
China not only has landed but done sample returns. They've also got a rover. India also had at least one impactor. There have been several failures, but that's because it's rocket science.
Only thing now we may have to notice now is that if the Chandrayan-3 lands properly or not .
Because I remember two years ago Chandrayan-2 , just before landing , ISRO lost all connection with the spacecraft , due to 'some' reason although it was going preety smooth until the last stage .
The Vikram lander (from chandrayaan-3) was initially designed a decade ago in 2013 and will land (hopefully) this week. The Artemis program officially kicked off in 2017 but utilizes aspects from the Constellation program from 2005. Given that the target for Artemis 3 (manned lunar mission) is 2025 with additional delays expected, this also puts the project timeline on the scale of decades. TBH I'm not really familiar with the timeline for the Luna 25 project.
Setting aside the Russian mission since I'm not familiar with the timeline, the us and indian missions had longer timelines than the time between JFKs moon mission speech and Neil Armstrong setting foot on the moon. Not really what I would consider "in a hurry"
Assuming you are at least paraphrasing him correctly, then I beg to differ. It would take the absolutely most extraordinary evidence to salvage any credibility from a claim like that.
My assumption is the protection thing. Jack states definitively that warp drive exists. If they were actively trying to place weapons or defense systems on the moon and we had craft that could move in and out of space time, we'd probably use those to deter anyone else from reaching the moon.
Again, I'm making assumptions here. My hope is you wouldn't base what you believe on my single statement alone.
Yeah that's exactly what I've been saying. I'm not a scientist, Jack is. Listen to him and read his research if you want to help make an informed decision about what you believe.
Yes but.... I would imagine there's some current funding problems and rushing to meet deadlines given by the Kremlin.
Also they have lack of access to parts because of the ongoing sanctions.
The last photo was revealed by famed Soviet test pilot Marina Popovich on a Good Will Mission in San Francisco in 1991. It is an actual Soviet photo of Phobos with an 18 mile UFO near it. The Phobos probe was pointing towards Mars when it noticed a very large shadow. It turned to photograph the source of the shadow. It photographed Phobos and the object and then it shut down.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-11-20-vw-110-story.html
Still doesn't seem in the slightest bit credible. Her entire life story smacks of someone in love with being famous, self promoting and constantly looking for the limelight. Just because she was a record braking test pilot (and failed cosmonaut), does not make her a credible source.
The simple fact she revealed the news at the "Whole Life Expo that heard holists, gurus, channelers, metaphysicists and a speech by presidential candidate Jerry Brown." means it reeks of BS.
That's not somewhere you release something that important if you actually want anyone worthwhile taking it seriously. However, it is exactly the place to do it if you want to gain publicity and increase book sales.
On top of that, she's the only source. Missions to Mars involve hundreds of people, most of whom would know exactly what photos were taken and be waiting expectantly to find out what they show. Yet, even after the photo has been released in to the open, and not one of them back her up. If the image was secret and taboo enough to limit those that could see it, why would it be shared with a test pilot? It wasn't even a manned mission.
The thing that really kills it, is that that wasn't even the last photo Phobos 2 took. It was taken days before it was lost. All of them have imaging artifacts on them. Pictures are transmitted back as lines of code, that literally build up the picture line by line. The artifacts are were some of the data was lost or scrambled.
The top posted response in the below link sums it up pretty well (as well as saving me tracking down the other photos).
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-the-Soviet-Phobos-probe-encountered-a-big-spaceship-before-contact-was-lost/answer/Jerry-Stone-19?ch=10&oid=82578491&share=166fa10f&srid=5Ezg&target_type=answer
If I remember correctly, I had seen analysis that showed Phobos when rotated at certain angles would cast light in such a way from a distance onto Mars like that.
https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Space_Science/Mars_Express/Light_and_shadow_on_the_surface_of_Mars
I can see how the shadow might correlate to a disc-shaped object of *enormous size*, but the evidence strongly swings in favor of the Phobos effect.
Even if I were to humor the idea that such entities exist, that's not an act of mentoring, it's straightforward aggression.
Mentoring would be helping us to explore in a non-destructive manner. If your child is learning to ride a bike and tries to ride on a busy highway, you don't slash their tyres, you explain that there are safer places to cycle.
So the numerous rovers on Mars are fine? Yet landing on one of the most barren and desolate bodies in the solar system isn't (despite the fact fact we've done it on numerous occasions). "They" apparently have some very odd priorities.
Or it could be that rocket science is actually really hard.
NASA have 28 failed missions to Mars vs 19 successful ones. Russia haven't left the earth's orbit since the USSR collapsed and never actually landed on the moon before that.
Probably the multiple space agencies that have also crashed on lunar missions, due to the fact that landing on another body is much much harder than just travelling to one.
Ya the Phobos mission was a real bummer because we were going to be given a potential opportunity to see the "monolith" I suspect that it was denied by either earth forces or alien forces.
Moon is off limits to expansionist human activity.
“Professor: What REALLY happened out there with Apollo 11?
Armstrong: It was incredible, of course we had always known there was a possibility, the fact is, we were warned off! (by the Aliens). There was never any question then of a space station or a moon city.
Professor: How do you mean "warned off"?
Armstrong: I can't go into details, except to say that their ships were far superior to ours both in size and technology - Boy, were they big!... and menacing! No, there is no question of a space station.
Professor: But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11?
Armstrong: Naturally-NASA was committed at that time, and couldn't risk panic on Earth. But it really was a quick scoop and back again.
Armstrong confirmed that the story was true but refused to go into further detail, beyond admitting that the CIA was behind the cover-up. “
“Looks like we’ve had visitors again” Day 2 of moon mission.
More info in “Above Top Secret” by Timothy Good.
Yet every other planet or moon we've since explored and/or left rovers on isn't off limits? How very odd.
It's lucky we have a man who makes loads of money from gullible conspiracy theorists to point it out without providing any verifiable evidence. Shame he never mentioned it to the numerous other lunar missions sent by multiple countries since.
Lmao at everyone laughing at Russia, they literally beat us to almost everything in space. These people are the idiots that they are being made out to be. - and for christ sake that doesn't mean I support them.
The Soviets did. Russia has done nothing but shuttle to and from the ISS on rockets based on 1960's tech since the USSR collapsed. They have neither the expertise or government backing that they used to.
It failed this time because Russia’s dealing with 20+ years of Lunar stagnation and agency incompetence. However, the Phobos II case is fascinating. Here’s a good video about it: https://youtu.be/1gyl6L1glKI
To Occam’s razor this case: It is just incompetence. The Russian space program has been suffering from brain drain for at least a decade. Out flow of competent people due to retirement, little in flow of competent / immigration.
Americans? Or American government? Separate the two, Afghanistan and Iraq were historically unpopular.
Believe it or not, you can criticize one (or both) without playing Devil’s Advocate for the Russians or resorting to whataboutism.
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I think half of the people here have absolute no common sense and are actually mentally challenged. Everything is UFOs and aliens, but at the same time they laugh about the people talking about angels and demons whatever happens - it's the same crowd with different ideologies.
UFO means science and as such one should at least try to be somewhat objective
Gay bashing is a tremendous source of bad luck. One should only hope they'll get wiser next time they try to pick an enemy for their stupid delyrious tirades...
I'm still hoping that one of these Moon missions can rescue the astronaut that was left on the moon with the video camera, back in 1969. For God's sake people, can we not rescue that guy???
Oh please, let's not make excuses. Russia is a third-world murdurous cleptocracy, and the whole thing was a weak stunt to show the world that they still had "the right stuff." Boo-hoo, too bad it didn't work out.
Guys.... Occam's Razor is the best choice here. The Lunar probe from Russia Crashed because they just aren't that good at space stuff anymore. This was the first moon-centered space mission Russia has attempted since the collapse of the USSR.
Occam's Razor says There was a fuck up somewhere on the Earth side, that caused the probe to yeet itself into the Moon. A reason to consider this: The scientist in charge of this mission has been hospitalized in Russia. Knowing Russia, he is likely to die because he made Russia look bad.
Phobos 2 crashed due to an onboard computer failure. It wasn’t “hit” and the spacecraft had already fulfilled part of its mission—just not the part where it was to approach Phobos within 50 meters and deploy two landers.
So Russia is in the middle of a war on Ukraine and decides to send something to the moon and it crashes or maybe gets destroyed by let’s say other means.
Jesus fuck are there mods on this trash sub at all? Is there _anything_ that resembles a standard or a bar at all? Any asshole can tweak out and just straight up pull shit out of their ass and it's just upvoted. Seriously, wtf?
99% of the posts on this sub are either obvious hoaxes or people who don’t understand science claiming that science can’t explain something because they can’t explain it.
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Wouldn't shock me if they were going to fly bý Apollo mission sites and broadcast the lack of lunar landers (exposing Apollo as a fraud) for propaganda purposes and was taken out by space force , or was looking for contestable resources and was taken out/disabled by space force
Piezo-electric? Do you even understand the meaning of that term? Like the moon is a differentiated body, and tidal effects will induce strain upon it… of course it would generate some latent and (all things considered) weak field. That’s because the two different mediums with different resistance and capacitances would rub against each other, thus inducing some kind of piezo effect.
But sure, the moon is some sort of piezo electric device - it is able to cause spacecraft to just die on the way there and crash into it. To what end? By what mechanism! If a spacecraft can travel through the high radiation environs near earth without failure why would a weak electric field in cis-lunar space cause failure??
This is just such a blatant misunderstanding of planetary dynamics and material sciences that’s it is genuinely funny.
Does anybody else wonder if the moon is probably considered off limits for us? I mean at least till we figure our shit. They probably treat us similar to how we treat North Sentinel Island people.
Not sure what connection is supposed to be made between 2 failed missions decades apart related to two completely different celestial bodies? Also pretty sure Phobos 2 crashed into Phobos
In the last cubesat mission from SpaceX towards the moon. Half of them failed deployement. The ones that failed had detailed camera's or went to the surface. Meassuring the gravity or just observing water on the poles from high above is okay.
The only explanation is, the moon is a no go area for us.
Did you read Benjamin Solari paravinicis profecies ... There is as well the conflict between Kiew and Russia named .. but he thought Kiew was a planet ...
That is not a phobos 2 imagine. Secondly, there are several failed lunar missions worth noting. You are simply using fake pics and combing with recent news to create some clickbait nonsense
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