Ram CEO Says New Dakota Needs To Be a 'Real Truck' at $40,000

Posted by idkbruh653@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 366 comments

At $40k + destination (which Ram charges $2,600 for) this thing will cost as much as or more than the base Ram 1500 Tradesman and Express. It'll be a flop.

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DriverDenali@reddit

Or you know be cheaper than the ranger and Tacoma, gmc twins because those are the industry standard and ram is a level below.. needs to probably even be cheaper than the gladiator and frontier..

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yobo9193@reddit

The Ram 1500 is a great truck. If I were buying a full-size today, it would be my pick

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OverlyPersonal@reddit

So many horror stories re Stellantis electronics, there’s just no way.

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Parking-Highlight-98@reddit

Well you have to realize that every truck brand right now has horror stories. Id actually take a gamble over a RAM with a proven drivetrain over the complete dogshit TTV6 in the Toyotas or the grenading Chevy V8s. "Lol Stellantis electronics" is only true for certain models (like most new Jeeps or their garbage hybrid/electric cars), RAM seems to be above average.

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RIP_Soulja_Slim@reddit

https://pickuptrucktalk.com/2025/05/consumer-reports-least-reliable-2025-full-size-trucks/ CR lists the Ram as the second least reliable full size truck, with Toyota taking the least reliable spot due to issues with their TTV6.

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DudebuD16@reddit

My friend has had 3 f150, a 2015/2018/2023. All 3 have had serious mechanical problems w/ the 2023 needing a whole new bed 2 months after he received it because of a tail light misalignment issue. Our friend with the GM v8 went through two engines at 10k km before he swapped it for the diesel. Meanwhile my ram had warped rotors and a dead battery covered under warranty. I know it's a small sample size, and I'm extremely impartial to truck brands, but the ram 1500 is just as good as any other truck on the market right now.

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RIP_Soulja_Slim@reddit

The stats sorta say otherwise, not that the big three haven't been riddled with problems as of late too, nobody's making a particularly good full size truck today, but statistics don't lie.

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TunakTun633@reddit

Statistics lie all the time. Misinterpretation runs rampant. What stats are you thinking of?

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RIP_Soulja_Slim@reddit

The ones that drive the consumer reports rankings as linked in the article I posted lol. I don't really think there's a lot to misinterpret here, they rank problems then weight them by severity and cost, then the output is reliability. The Ram ranks very poorly here, honestly I'm a bit surprised people are taking issue with that.

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cherry_monkey@reddit

I would like to point out the the CR reliability ratings are completely arbitrary. Ford F150 scored a 43/100. They have 35 recalls and there are still nagging transmission issues. Toyota Tundra scored 41/100 they have a recall on almost 50% of their engines since 2022 and that doesn't include any hybrid engine because it's still "drivable". GM 1500 scored 40/100. They have a worse version of the Ford transmission **and** engine issues, just to a lesser extent than Toyota. All 4 makes of half ton pickup have electrical issues in some capacity, none of them make driving them any more or less reliable. Ram had some issues with the early version of the straight 6 turbo hurricane. Those issues were remediated by the time they were put in the 1500. They have an auto industry leading transmission when it comes to reliability. The e torque on the 5.7 hemi has had some issues, but nothing to the extent of Ford, Toyota, or GM. CR gave Ram a 5/100. This completely invalidates their data. However they're weighing the different areas seems to specifically target Ram. Personally, I feel like Ram should land just in front of Ford, maybe with a 44 or 45/100. If Ram was given a 38 or 39/100 I would just thing the weighting was slightly different than how I would weight things. Giving the Ram a score 35 points lower than GM requires a personal bias.

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windowpuncher@reddit

Stats are statistical, not a guarantee. Let's just say the chance of your engine failing in truck A is 10%. This sentence is worthless. You have to look at the actual metrics and measurement criterion for any meaning. Small failure within 3y/36k? Total replacement within 5y/100k? "This is more reliable" has no real meaning without specific definitions, but we can probably *assume* something like 10% in these studies means a general 10% chance of a total engine failure within the average life span of the vehicle, or within the first 3 years or something if it's a newer car, because 10% of these cars *have* failed, so you have a 90% chance, on average, with uncertainties, that your car is probably fine compared to those specific conditions. If you said 10% of 1999 ford explorers are unreliable that's an amazing metric compared to saying 10% of 2026 ford explorers are unreliable. Basically the only thing you can actually do is pray to god if you buy a 1st or 2nd model year run of any new car, and look for specific, repeatable issues for anything else you're looking to buy. Except for later model years it's basically a gamble every single time.

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Ziggus@reddit

I like how my f150 got a special call-out for reliability of the power boost engine. 54k miles since I bought it new in July of 2022 and no issues since

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Parking-Highlight-98@reddit

Considering it's below the two Chevys with the notorious V8 issues (by flawed design, meaning the engines are inevitably going to have issues), Id say it's another case of Consumer Reports not being a single source of truth. CR ranking reliability on fairly new models is worthless, it's the 10+ year mark that matters more.

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throwawayainteasy@reddit

Personally I'd rather have a truck with a sketch infotainment system than one with a motor that destroys itself, but I'm not Consumer Reports.

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RIP_Soulja_Slim@reddit

> Id say it's another case of Consumer Reports not being a single source of truth. CR uses the widest data set of automotive issues in the industry and is consistently held up as the best authority on this topic. Like, yeah every manufacturer has issues with their new gen engines, evey toyota of all people is having massive problems, but the Ram is objectively less reliable than the majority of the competition - moreover they've held a spot at the bottom of reliability rankings for decades.

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peakdecline@reddit

This is almost entirely down to the electronics architecture shift on MY2025 Ram 1500s. Prior DT generation trucks were on an older, more reliable setup. We'll see how MY2026 fairs, I suspect its better. Leadership at Ram is better now, they now their reliability reputation has hurt sales.

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OverlyPersonal@reddit

We’re talking about mid sized pickups so no v8s here. The Chevy 6 cylinders are supposedly pretty reliable, ford too. I’d never buy a Tacoma, drove an older gen one for a year back in the day and it sucked—spartan interior, noisy, gutless, no tow capacity—not something I’d ever spring for with their premium pricing.

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craichead@reddit

The vast majority of Ford Rangers and every Chevy/GM and Toyota mid-size pickup have 4 cylinders.

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OverlyPersonal@reddit

Word, and none of them are that bad right?

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Moth92@reddit

Doesn't the Ranger use a wet belt for the 4 cylinder?

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pvdp90@reddit

No. The wet belts are terrible, but they were only used on the ecoboosts with 1.5L or less displacement

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gdnws@reddit

[The 2.7 ecoboost uses a wet belt](https://youtu.be/xZJicuObVDY?t=1220). At least on the 2018 and up I think.

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pvdp90@reddit

No, you misunderstand it. The engine has a timing chain. Sure it uses a wet belt to drive the oil pump, which still isn’t ideal, but it’s a whole world of difference from the problematic engines that have a wet belt for timing. The wet belt for oil pump is a lot less problematic, as failure doesn’t outright kill the engine and it’s a smaller belt with a less complex path so it will last longer.

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gdnws@reddit

I do agree that it is less failure prone since the routing is less complex and being in time isn't typically important for the oil pump however a loss of oil pressure because the oil pump stops is quite likely to kill the engine if it is under any kind of load. One of the failure modes of the belt isn't so much that the belt breaks but that the teeth break off and clog the oil pickup.

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pvdp90@reddit

You are absolutely correct. And the symptoms for the pump pickup being clogged are fairly clear. You have a noticeable drop in oil pressure, but it’s not sudden and usually doesn’t go to zero. The ECU will see that, throw you in limp mode and make you take it to be serviced. The service is sucky tho

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gdnws@reddit

Ok so it isn't a sudden total loss of oil pressure then. That is a lot better than an engine losing time. Still a dumb choice on their part but better than replacing an engine because of it.

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pvdp90@reddit

Oh yeah, I’m with you. It’s still not great. It’s sacrificing long term reliability and introducing an expensive repair for the sake of a small tiny bit of efficiency.

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gdnws@reddit

And even then that tiny bit of efficiency probably only materializes in lab settings; in an actual vehicle it probably makes no measurable difference.

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1PistnRng2RuleThmAll@reddit

The 5.0 in the F150 also uses a wet belt IIRC.

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gdnws@reddit

You're right, I forgot they moved the oil pump on those.

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lemonylol@reddit

I thought they have a chain now?

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Fun_Driver_5566@reddit

The Dodge Dakota was sorta famous for being the midsize truck with a V8. Other than the couple years GM stuck a Hummer 5.3 V8 in the Colorado.

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RIP_Soulja_Slim@reddit

TBF, I wouldn't be shocked if Dodge stuffed some variation of their blown hemi in there and called it a Dakota Raptor Hunter or some shit.

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Paladinraye@reddit

I mean with SRT being back I could definitely see an SRT-6 Dakota with the HO Hurricane.

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OverlyPersonal@reddit

Yeah I for sure wouldn't put it past them, it would fit right in with the branding and marketing.

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lemonylol@reddit

Chevy needs to bring back the 5 cylinder.

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d0ugfirtree@reddit

Goes like a 4 and drinks like a ~~8~~fighter jet

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IguassuIronman@reddit

> I’d never buy a Tacoma, drove an older gen one for a year back in the day and it sucked A strange reason to totally discount them now. In a lot of ways the new ones are a huge step up, especially when it comes to the interior

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Parking-Highlight-98@reddit

Toyota now, maybe trucks aside, have been largely coasting on their reliability "image" to sell you their cars at like $10-$20k more than the competition with literally zero features unless you pay even more money for it to feel less like a Fisher Price interior. The new Land Cruiser is actually insanely badly priced. Then the new cars all ditched V6s and V8s to go all in on ultra-stressed i4s and TTV6s. If you think these are going to be remotely reliable cars in 10 years, I have a bridge to sell you.

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IguassuIronman@reddit

> Then the new cars all ditched V6s and V8s to go all in on ultra-stressed i4s and TTV6s. If you think these are going to be remotely reliable cars in 10 years, I have a bridge to sell you. This is a very outdated mentality. This is the way the world's going. And for some manufacturers, the place the world has been for a decade now. They're not making some crazy amount of power out of these engines, they're pretty well in line with what other manufacturers are doing. From the way you're talking it's like you think they're going to start bending conrods in 3 years

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Parking-Highlight-98@reddit

More moving parts = more points of failure. It's not "outdated", it's a pretty simple and proven point. And yes, id call a 300HP tiny turbo i4 carrying a 4,000+lb car (Land Cruiser) "heavily stressed". I think even Savagegeese made a point about this in their review.

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IguassuIronman@reddit

> More moving parts = more points of failure. It's not "outdated", it's a pretty simple and proven point. This doesn't magically mean less real world reliability. Hell, even NA engines have a ton more complexity then they did 50 years ago yet they also last substantially longer. > And yes, id call a 300HP tiny turbo i4 carrying a 4,000+lb car (Land Cruiser) "heavily stressed". Like I said, it's an outdated mentality. A 300HP 2.4L I4 isn't "tiny" in the modern world. Realistically it's on the larger size; a lot of other brands are using a 2L for similar output, and have been for a while now. I'm really not even sure what the concern is here; the engineers know what they're building. It's not like these things are randomly going to start blowing up because you stomped on the gas

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Parking-Highlight-98@reddit

Actually, old NA engines (like 60s GM and Chrysler engines once they got hydraulic lifters) were basically unkillable and are far more durable than their modern equivalents. Yes the chassis were far inferior to today, but old engines like the Chrysler slant six and the V8s in 60s GM cars were dead simple and they lasted forever, the problem was that everything around the engine needed to be rebuilt far before the engine needed work. That's an insanely incorrect statement.

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IguassuIronman@reddit

> old engines like the Chrysler slant six and the V8s in 60s GM cars were dead simple and they lasted forever, the problem was that everything around the engine needed to be rebuilt far before the engine needed work. That's funny, it's basically the exact argument you were making against turbocharged engines. You can make vibes based arguments all you like but at the end of the day we've seen the average car getting older and older even as they've gotten more complex. It's pretty clear you've got a preconceived notion about modern engines and you're not going to change it

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Parking-Highlight-98@reddit

It's not the argument I'm making against at all, they're far simpler than modern turbo'd to hell tiny engines, the fuck are you smoking? Just admit you don't know what you're talking about and move on.

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IguassuIronman@reddit

> It's not the argument I'm making against at all, they're far simpler than modern turbo'd to hell tiny engines, the fuck are you smoking? "It's all the shit around the engine that breaks" is your exact concern with the extra components needed for a turbo setup > Just admit you don't know what you're talking about and move on. Maybe you should just admit you're stuck in a 60s mindset and move on

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MrHugh_Janus@reddit

The current gen Taco is way better than the last gen. The interior is decent, tall drivers can finally fit in it and it rides better and finally has some guts. That being said, I still like my Ranger more, 58k got me a Raptor, TRD Pro and Trailhunter are both close to 5k-10k more and that’s before the dealers take you for a ride with the markups.

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thatgymdude@reddit

I would take a Ranger Raptor over any of the TRD Pro or Trailhunter trims. Charging 70k + ADM on a 4 cylinder truck is a trend that needs to end immediately, you literally could almost get my current half ton new for that and used definitely and save a pile of money in the process.

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OverlyPersonal@reddit

The Ranger raptors are sick looking little muscle trucks, if those are the comps it’s kind of a no brainer.

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Parking-Highlight-98@reddit

If we're talking about the Stellantis 4-cylinder, yes I agree I'd take the Chevy 6-cylinder any day over it. That thing is damn near indestructible. But the guy you replied to was explicitly mentioning the Ram 1500, which is a V8 truck. I know the article is talking about midsize, but it's not irrelevant.

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Fappy_as_a_Clam@reddit

But Toyota has stood behind that TTV6 so far, I just don't see stalantis doing anything like that if they were in that situation.

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coolguy100@reddit

Not the hybrids

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BetterThanAFoon@reddit

It's worth keeping in mind that while the 6.2L main bearing issues are ongoing and seemingly more pervasive in 2024+ trucks and 2020-2024 trucks...... GM has updated it's DFM designed to no longer rely on collapsing lifters for 2026+ trucks. That resolves the lifter issue......but still worth looking at over the next few years. The new design uses a rocker arm deactivation strategy rather than a lifter deactivation strategy. This is helpful two fold. #1 it removes the risk of "hammering" risk that a "stuck" collapsed lifter introduces. When a lifter collapses if caught early you can avoid catastrophic failure.....but many owners aren't really in tune and know to shut er down. #2 if the rocker arm mechanism fails you don't have to remove the head to address the issue. It significantly cuts down the hours needed to fix it. And again...with the hammering risk to the cam removed.... less risk of catastrophic engine damage. Cylinder deactivation still carries the risk of added engine wear.....GM moved the issues on top of the engine under the valve cover instead of internal to the engine in the lifter valley or cam shaft.

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AndroidMyAndroid@reddit

Proven drivetrain? The entire electrical architecture on Ram trucks was brand new in 2025, and the Hemi V8 is only available in mild hybrid on that architecture (I'm assuming that you're talking about the "proven" drivetrain being the V8, not the Hurricane TTI6).

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Journeydriven@reddit

My boss owns a 16 gmc a 21 navigator and my uncle owns a ram 1500. I would probably trust them all equally since they've been pretty much problem free the entire time. I'd also probably trust my 06 volvo just as much

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bearded_dragon_34@reddit

Agreed. At this point, they all kind of suck, so you might as well go for the nicest and most comfortable one, which *is* the Ram 1500. With the air suspension, that thing is like an S-Class with a pickup bed.

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Substantial-Nail2570@reddit

Yea so people are having pretty bad electronic issues in their brand new durangos. Pretty bad it seems. I still really want one. But yea. Might be a better idea to get something a little bit more reliable.

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peanutbuttahcups@reddit

Goes to show how we really are in the dark times when Toyota has a dogshit v6 and Chevy and has grenading v8s. Granted, it's been about 20 years since either manufacturer really had reiable motors. 2000s were truly the best era.

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Parking-Highlight-98@reddit

The 2012+ LFX V6s that GM had/has are damn near invincible motors if you are even remotely diligent with your oil changes. I know several people with those engines going on 300,000+ miles in trucks and cars.

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Burner5647382910@reddit

I’d rather chase electronic gremlins than replace my engine or transmission. GM and ford 10 speeds are absolutely criminal, it to mention GM engine exploding a few k miles off the assembly line. Toyota is absolute appliance grade trash at this point.

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mudbuttcoffee@reddit

I've had a 2019 Laramie for 125k miles, only issues have been a back window seal that leaked at about 40k and a leaky rad at 115k. Hope I didn't just jinx myself!

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lemonylol@reddit

Idk, I had a 2011 Charger up to last year that had zero issues with that. You'll have an issue with the rockers long before electrical.

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CG_Ops@reddit

~110k miles on 2015, 15k of which was towing my [trailer+bikes](https://i.imgur.com/eJRuXMN.jpg) or [just bikes](https://i.imgur.com/00xn9Bn.jpg) to various tracks or camp sites. The [electronics/infotainment](https://i.imgur.com/wqFYxgm.jpg) have worked fine since day 1, if not a little annoying to navigate, initially. Only issue I've had with it is shared by Chevys. For some reason they used different grades of steel on the headers/manifold. This is a non-issue for commuting or light duty, but when the motor gets on the warmer side (e.g. towing 6k+ lbs on hot days) there's a good chance of broken bolts after cooling off. It happened 3x to me, a different set of bolts each time, which I replaced with upgrades until they were all replaced. This is often confused for the Hemi tick (I thought it was) until a couple riding buddies (with Chevys and Rams) explained the issue, which they both experienced, too. That said, the Ram was my first American vehicle. It was also the first time I got an extended warranty... it was $1200 and didn't break even on the cost of all 3 header repairs. (It's a cheap/easy fix as long as they don't break too deep in the block)

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Budgetweeniessuck@reddit

People always knock Dodge products. But I had a POS Dakota that I paid $5K for that refused to die. I did normal maintenance but it kept going. My in laws drive a 10 year old Durango that never once saw the repair shop.

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6carecrow@reddit

While I agree that the 1500 is the best riding truck, and I do really enjoy them whenever we get them in at work, especially the 5.7L models, there’s definitely a reason why the models, even at equal year and mileage, that these RAMs have a much, much lower resale value. As someone who sells used cars/trucks, this also makes it a lot more difficult to make money on them lol. Though I know that part isn’t as important

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dcwldct@reddit

Make sure you borrow one and live with the infotainment first. It’s maddening.

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yobo9193@reddit

I did, used it to tow a vehicle 300 miles and then drove it back. Never had issues with the infotainment

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2ManyAccounts2Count@reddit

On paper and first impressions are fine but over time you'll start seeing the difference. Chevy and Ford seem to hold up better long term to extended abuse. Know a rancher who bought a 24 Cummins new and the interior already feels like it's falling apart in 20k miles of hard ranch use. It's predecessor was a 2015 Duramax lasted a good 150k miles or so. The same story applies in their half tons as well which don't have the luxury of a good Cummins engine to justify it.

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DriverDenali@reddit

Not if you live in the rust belt.

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Phill_is_Legend@reddit

How is ram below standard?

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Zappiticas@reddit

Because Stellantis

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narwhal_breeder@reddit

The new RAM 1500 is genuinely a good truck. Id take a Limited with the Hurricane over any of the other full size trucks. The Limited with Air Ride is genuinely the best riding gas pickup on the market.

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ChapekElders@reddit

Is ride quality the top of this list when buying a pickup? M8 you’re in the market for a sedan.

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Drzhivago138@reddit

For a lot of people, yes. When most of the other stats (towing, payload, passenger and cargo capacity) are close to equal in half-tons, you gotta stand out somehow.

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Zappiticas@reddit

Because trucks are now luxury vehicles for some stupid reason

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Alternative_Ear5542@reddit

My brother in Chrysler, they've been making luxury pickups since the 90's.

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ChapekElders@reddit

Not really though. Those “luxury” trucks were no where near what an actual luxury car was at the time. It was just a slightly dressed up truck with leather seats and wood trim inside.

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AndroidMyAndroid@reddit

A luxury car is just a dressed up regular car with leather and wood trim inside.

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ChapekElders@reddit

What a dumb statement.

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AndroidMyAndroid@reddit

How is it dumber than what you said?

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ChapekElders@reddit

Because that’s literally what the “luxury” trucks were back then. Meanwhile luxury cars contained dedicated luxury models that actually had substantial differences from any vehicle with which they may have shared a platform.

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AndroidMyAndroid@reddit

Dedicated luxury models? Substantial differences? A Ram 1500 Tungsten has dual-pane windows, massaging seats, power running boards that drop when the doors open, hands-free self drive, wireless Carplay, dual wireless charging pads, a screen for the passenger to watch movies on, self-leveling air suspension, and a high-output 540hp engine vs a regular Ram truck. I could go on. In what world is that not enough to differentiate it as a luxury model compared to, say, a Honda and any Acura model?

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Zappiticas@reddit

The discussion was about luxury trucks in the 90’s which definitely didn’t have all of that

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AndroidMyAndroid@reddit

No they didn't, but then again, neither did dedicated-platform luxury cars of the 90s. A modern Ram 1500 Limited is nicer than a 90s S Class.

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ChapekElders@reddit

Why are you talking about a brand new truck. My man let me remind you of the comment I originally replied to: \>My brother in Chrysler, they've been making luxury pickups since the 90's. I'm talking about 90s vehicles.

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Zappiticas@reddit

Maybe that’s what “luxury” like Buick used to be. But actual luxury cars would have things like air suspension, high end audio systems, smoother running engines, etc. those “luxury trucks” of the 90’s however are 100% what you described.

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Zappiticas@reddit

While that’s true, and a couple did exist, F150’s, Rams, and Silverados were absolutely not luxury pickups.

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Drzhivago138@reddit

The reasons aren't all that stupid.

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Fun_Driver_5566@reddit

What is Reddit's obsession with pickup trucks being as barebones and spartan as possible? Do you just want people to be punished for driving a truck? lol If you work hard and make a lot of money, you get to spend that money on nice things.

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daandriod@reddit

I'm convinced the amount of shit trucks get on this sub is from people who are just mad they can't afford them because of how stupidly expensive luxury trucks have gotten. Don't get me wrong, I think 80k for a truck is also insane, But I do not just have the outward hostility towards the people who do buy them like so many people here do.

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gdnws@reddit

Some amount of contrarianism because pickups are extremely popular, some amount of things for a certain utility can only be used for that utility and some amount of Reddit being stingy and cheap would be my guess. Reddit often doesn't like nice things unless they are the nice things that it has selected.

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throwawayainteasy@reddit

How dare I have a think that hauls a ton of shit like I need to, has great ground clearance to deal with horrible roads here, and is comfortable to drive on road trips?

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gdnws@reddit

And then have the audacity of actually enjoying it on top of it. The nerve of some people.

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AndroidMyAndroid@reddit

The reason is that a lot of tradespeople make high six-figure incomes and have very stable jobs. And other people who have hobbies that necessitate trailering/hauling things (boats, side by sides, track cars, motorcycles ect...) often use their truck as a do-it-all, so it pulls on the weekends and massages their ass on their commute.

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narwhal_breeder@reddit

How DARE manufacturers make a car people keep buying >:| so stupid

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Zappiticas@reddit

It can make a company money and still be stupid. We live in a society where vehicles are getting larger and heavier for literally no reason other than to be bigger. More space, more cost, more materials, lower fuel economy. And then other vehicles follow suit because it’s terrifying to drive small cars when everything else on the road is the size of a tank. Additionally, now the vehicles that used to be the standard of workers doing manual labor cost as much as a luxury car.

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narwhal_breeder@reddit

Ahh yes - companies started building bigger cars because (no reason at all) and now we have to buy them because safety. What definitely didn't happen is people started buying bigger cars, so mfgs started building bigger cars to satiate that demand - that would make far too much sense. Its all a grand conspiracy about big companies doing things for no reason what so-ever.

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Titan0917@reddit

Why is it stupid for people to want to be comfortable?

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narwhal_breeder@reddit

If I have to have a truck - then yeah, I want it to be comfortable. The 95% of the time its unladen id like for it not to ride like shit.

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OverlyPersonal@reddit

It’s saying if you’re driving a truck unloaded 95% of the time you probably don’t need a truck.

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narwhal_breeder@reddit

95% im not at the track either but I still like my GR86.

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OverlyPersonal@reddit

We’d all be a lot better off if people did buy cars for their 95% use case honestly. Less massive suvs waiting to aggressively mount your gr86 in an accident, less gas usage, less emissions, yada yada.

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narwhal_breeder@reddit

Hence why you bought a WRX - for the 95% of the time you are flooring it and need the extra performance, and for the 95% of the time you need all wheel drive.

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OverlyPersonal@reddit

I never fold my rear seats up lol, there’s shit in the back all the time and I like the ability to hit Tahoe on the weekends. I’ve strapped 100 pound 4’x8’x2’ hexayurts to the top and driven 12 hours in a shot. Also I do my own wrenching and I’ve had the car for 15 years because its matches my lifestyle so well, it’s not the inefficient use case you might be looking for.

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narwhal_breeder@reddit

I never said it didn't do it all - I said you're only using those capabilities 5% of the time, so its not a good fit for your 95% use case.

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OverlyPersonal@reddit

If you think that was the argument I was making idk what to tell you. We're talking about buying large trucks because they use the capabilities 5% of the time. If you think my driving a Japanese four banger old enough to vote somehow nullifies my point I'd say you're probably not worth the rhetorical effort to engage with.

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narwhal_breeder@reddit

"Anyone who buys more than the excess capability that *I decided was acceptable* is an idiot"

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OverlyPersonal@reddit

> We’d all be a lot better off if people did buy cars for their 95% use case honestly. Less massive suvs waiting to aggressively mount your gr86 in an accident, less gas usage, less emissions, yada yada. You still arguing with this? Because I'm not saying I'm any kind of arbiter here but it's pretty common sense. It's not even casting judgment on anything other than "people tend to buy more than they need"--why is the suggestion that people are overbuying so upsetting to you?

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narwhal_breeder@reddit

Im not saying people aren't over buying - im saying people buying a truck for a rare usecase, doesnt imply they over bought. If someone has a boat - they wont be towing it 99% of the time - that doesnt mean buying a truck to tow your boat is stupid. I think people buying trucks *without any use case for them* is stupid. But "towing/having the bed full 5% of the time" is a perfectly valid use case.

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OverlyPersonal@reddit

Bruh, the point was made about "most people"... most people don't have boats, so you might be coming at this from a place of real privilege. No one ever said there weren't use cases, but if you're not doing truck stuff 95% of your time behind the wheel it might not be the most efficient thing for you, for society, for the environment.

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narwhal_breeder@reddit

Are you doing stuff that requires AWD 95% of the time? Because your time behind the wheel it might not be the most efficient thing for you, for society, for the environment.

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OverlyPersonal@reddit

I guess my ancient 3000lb compact car is totally equivalent to a brand new pickup truck that you can tow your boat with once a month. Cool story bro. You can retell it at your dad's country club this weekend.

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Drzhivago138@reddit

What does the age of the vehicle have to do with it?

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ChapekElders@reddit

A GR86 is an otherwise practical vehicle for transportation. Terrible comparison.

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ChapekElders@reddit

Wow really triggered you eh?

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narwhal_breeder@reddit

dumb people tend to

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ChapekElders@reddit

Got ‘em good man. Ride quality as number one priority on a pickup is insanity hahaha

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narwhal_breeder@reddit

Where did I say it was the number on priority? If a pickup suits your needs with payload/towing why *wouldn't* you look at ride quality as a differentiator?

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Texas_Precision27@reddit

I don't understand, do you intentionally seek a bad ride quality when truck buying? I don't have an air ride truck, but it's not like having it somehow makes it less of a truck.

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HeavyCanuck@reddit

>but it's not like having [air ride] somehow makes it less of a truck. I invite anybody who actually thinks like this to look at the suspension of almost every semi truck on the roads today. Ditto for the people that think turbocharged engines aren't good in heavy vehicles.

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mk4_wagon@reddit

For people buying a 1500... probably? All the 'light duty' trucks are basically designed to be commuter cars at this point, where a 2500 and up are made for actual work.

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presvil@reddit

A Camry doesn’t have a 5 food bed and 23 in rims tho

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fantaribo@reddit

99% of the people preoccupied by ride quality to the point of choosing air ride won't use the bed more than once every year.

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narwhal_breeder@reddit

"99% of people preoccupied about their handling to the point of choosing the sport suspension wont track their cars more than once a year"

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ElBrazil@reddit

Picking the sport suspension on a sedan doesn't limit visibility for all other drivers and put them (and even more so pedestrians) at substantially increased risk in a collision

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narwhal_breeder@reddit

What the fuck does that have to do with air ride?

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Fappy_as_a_Clam@reddit

It's just canned anti-truck nonsense they spout off every chance they get

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narwhal_breeder@reddit

Hence why sports cars are so cheap to insure

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Xbc1@reddit

99% of the time people pull stats out their ass .

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Zappiticas@reddit

But a sedan won’t affirm their gender

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J-MAMA@reddit

I ride a moped so the boys'll know about my bussy

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Tuned4Tactics@reddit

But it could!

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Noobasdfjkl@reddit

When said ride quality doesn't detract from payload or towing capacity, yes, ride quality is in fact near the top of many many people's lists when buying a truck.

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tylerderped@reddit

With modern suspensions and all the creature comforts that exist, there's little reason for a truck to have a shitty ride quality. To many people, a truck isn't just a vehicle they drive a couple hours a day max for hiking pallets, *it is their office on-the-go*. Even a low rung laborer probably spends at least a couple hours in their truck doing paperwork, organizing their shit, having lunch, or even doing limited labor work like idk making pigtails or cutting keys. In the current F-150's, you can fold the gearshift flat and fold the center console over it so that you have a writing surface or somewhere to use a computer. There's also the lay-flat seats so that one can take a nap or just enjoy maximum comfort if necessary. The trades can be brutal. A decent truck can make the difference between hating your job, and merely tolerating it. At least it's something decent to look forward to in a day filled with bullshit.

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mikolv2@reddit

Most full sized trucks are used as city commuter cars these days. They're luxury vehicles with a decorative bed at the back.

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fantaribo@reddit

100% agreed. Such criteria seem way over the top and shows how much people buy uselessly trucks

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SAR_89@reddit

Don’t bother, this sub like two things, Miata’s and Toyotas. Anything else is subpar no matter what experience or data you have.

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Fappy_as_a_Clam@reddit

Not Toyota trucks apparently lol

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HomeOrificeSupplies@reddit

Buy the extended warranty. You’ll need it.

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narwhal_breeder@reddit

You're right I should buy a Tundra instead. They've been trouble free.

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HomeOrificeSupplies@reddit

Probably better off long run with a tundra. Toyota has one hiccup a decade and everyone thinks they’re junk again. That said, if I never intended on owning a truck beyond warranty, I’d definitely give ram a shot. They have upped their game signal in the last handful of years. They’re genuinely nice. I still don’t trust a stellantis product for longevity. Too many horror stories abound.

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narwhal_breeder@reddit

Yeah, you're right - probably better off after the first engine replacement.

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burrgerwolf@reddit

Pretty sure I heard the replacement V6TT engines aren’t immune to issues either

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Darkendevil@reddit

Or the frame rusting off the Tacomas for years.

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Drone30389@reddit

Chrysler products have a long history of reliability issues, but so do Ford and GM. And, though I don't have personal experience, a lot of different youtube channels are complaining about major GM engine issues, and Toyota is having a lot of issues too.

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Akutalji@reddit

The Hurricaine 3.0 TT is becoming a rather reliable engine. I was fully expecting in 2020/2021 to hear about blowing turbos or yet-another-engine-that-eats-cams, but it's more than 6 years later and nothing catastrophic has happened (ok, destroying thermostat housings is kinda bad). Shows the core of the engine is good, everything around it is the problem.

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Phill_is_Legend@reddit

Thanks very informative

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Zappiticas@reddit

You’re welcome. Hey you asked why they are a tier below the other companies and I told you why. They are owned by a conglomerate that constantly cuts costs and releases poor quality vehicles.

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Phill_is_Legend@reddit

🙄

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Topikk@reddit

Dodge, RAM, Jeep, Chrysler, FIAT, Maserati can consistently be found at the bottom of most lists ranking brands by various metrics, especially reliability.

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Phill_is_Legend@reddit

Idk, Ram was rated #1 last year by car and driver as well as motor trend...

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33xander33@reddit

Reliability wasn't a factor in their rating.

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Phill_is_Legend@reddit

Ah but "various metrics" surely was.

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narwhal_breeder@reddit

Sure - on average, they are worse. But like any make, they can produce some reliable cars. Id probably feel better about the Ram 1500 than a Tundra right now with their machining debris issues and multiple engine recalls.

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DaBombDiggidy@reddit

Because this sub has no idea what they’re talking about when it comes to trucks. Ram has reviewed consistently well for a long time now. Car and driver had it on top for 2025.

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Nice-Philosopher4832@reddit

Ram has been doing well in initial quality rankings and failing miserably in the minds of people who actually own them for years.

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thatgymdude@reddit

You mean this sub has such a seething hatred for pickups they only say "truck bad" while a pickup truck (F150) is one of the most sold vehicles. This place is such a crabs in a bucket mentality for consumers and no one calls them oit enough for it.

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Texas_Precision27@reddit

It's like shockingly bad in this sub. I went with Ram in 2024 (albeit a 3500), after being a lifelong Ford guy. I've noticed a few minor things, but generally speaking it's like the same level as a the Fords.

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DriverDenali@reddit

You ever driven a stelantis product… it’s the Nissan of domestics

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ElbowTight@reddit

Nissan trucks are arguably the only thing keeping them afloat. Those trucks are so simple and reliable

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DodgerBlueRobert1@reddit

Trucks, as in plural? Nissan only sells one truck, the Frontier. And the Frontier is not arguably the only thing keeping them afloat. The Rogue, Pathfinder, Kicks, and Sentra are the volume movers for them.

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ElbowTight@reddit

The Titan was and still is a great truck. 2024 is still fairly new and relevant for a vehicle model to be considered While the sedans do probably sell more numbers (especially globally). I’d say in terms of overall quality and customer happiness the titan and frontier would have the most impact. But that’s just opinion and not backed by hard data.

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DriverDenali@reddit

There lending keeps them afloat.. i own a Nissan dealer we don’t turn anyone away through Nissan financing.

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DodgerBlueRobert1@reddit

Sure, there's that too.

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DriverDenali@reddit

We aren’t talking about the trucks we are talking about Nissan as a company.

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Phill_is_Legend@reddit

Idk man I got a 10 year old ram that's been a tank. Small sample size lol but Ive never heard them catch hate like this.

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Mojave_Idiot@reddit

Ram is more an exception to the Stellantis nonsense. I don’t think anybody with real experience with all these trucks thinks less of Rams than Ford or GM trucks.

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Zappiticas@reddit

I don’t have any experience with modern Rams but the older dodges, when compared to other trucks, had a very reliable drivetrain but everything else was garbage.

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33xander33@reddit

My boss in the oilfield was a diehard mopar guy. We had to do our own maintenance and after years of doing so he sadly walked away from Ram because of how difficult they made it to work on your own truck. Now this seems to be an industry issue but after he moved to ford we had a much easier time doing the basics.

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asbestoswasframed@reddit

The Stellantis group have a well earned reputation as an OEM that is forced to cheap-sell products and target the poor-credit buyer due to ongoing reliability and quality issues. These issues also result in horrible depreciation in the open market. The Chrysler-Jeep-Dodge-Ram group have maintained this reputation since the 1960s and through their multiple ownership changes and Government bailouts. CDJR just make cheap, bad cars for desperate people. That's a fact. Literally no one who has driven a Tacoma would buy a Dakota if the trucks were equipped the same and priced the same because the Taco will be more reliable and hold it's value better than the Dakota.

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holyoctopus@reddit

Well Stellantis didn't buy the company until about 5 years ago so naturally your year truck isn't going to be impacted. Just anything from 2021 onward. So honestly your Ram is a tank compared to the new ones.

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Phill_is_Legend@reddit

Ok that makes sense. I have not been following closely I guess.

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MattDaaaaaaaaamon@reddit

You haven't paid attention. Stellantis, including Chrysler, Dodge, Ram, and Jeep are notorious low quality brands relative to the rest of the domestic market, not even considering how far behind they are to Japanese and European brands. For some reason though, they have their loyalists.

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flyguy41222@reddit

I used to manage a fleet of 60+ pickups. We got 3 2023 Rams new from dealer and all 3 of them were in the shop within a month. It was wild. I live in Utah, there are some great canyon roads here. Real inclines. Every so often you’ll see a pickup or car on fire that overheated or something. Tell me why I’ve personally seen 4 Rams burned up and none others haha They do have a reputation for being cheap/fragile/eletrically challenged They’ve made good cars though and some of their early 2000’s trucks are really solid

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jiggajawn@reddit

Nissan trucks are actually pretty good though.

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DriverDenali@reddit

Yes we don’t need to over analyze it as a whole youre better off buying a Toyota or honda.

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DaBombDiggidy@reddit

Please stop giving advice.

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DriverDenali@reddit

I own 14 car dealerships and two racing teams i know The market…

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PootyTheTang@reddit

nuh uh

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jiggajawn@reddit

Depends which models you're comparing and what your needs are. I'd go new frontier over taco rn if I was looking at midsize trucks

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DriverDenali@reddit

We aren’t taking trucks we are talking about the brand over all. buy a Corolla or versa and find out which one is more reliable. Buy an accord or Altima and find out which is better.

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Adorable_Ant8583@reddit

Yeah, unless they seriously drop the price or something unique shows up, $40k feels steep for Ram to compete with those.

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NotRustyShackleford_@reddit

The Dakota needs to be cheaper than 40 probably. I can get an F150 for 45.

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DodgerBlueRobert1@reddit

>I can get an F150 for 45. Sure, but it'll most likely be a lower trim level with the base engine, 2WD, and very few options. Not saying there's anything wrong with that, but it's important to compare apples to apples when looking at standard equipment across 2 different vehicles.

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AndroidMyAndroid@reddit

Do you really think a base Dakota will be anything other than a stripper model? Unless by "real truck" they plan to make the Dakota a straight up Ranger Raptor competitor.

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DodgerBlueRobert1@reddit

>Do you really think a base Dakota will be anything other than a stripper model? Maybe, maybe not. It's possible that the base trim won't be an *actual* stripper model, but it all depends on the price. For example, the Ram 1500 Tradesman starts at just under $42k, and it's a true stripper model with vinyl bench seats, steel wheels, and unpainted black bumpers, door handles, and grill. It's missing a lot of common features that just about everyone is looking for in a new vehicle. I highly doubt we'll see anything like that in the form of a new Dakota. That Tradesman 1500 is meant for fleets, contractors, and the like. If you want bucket seats and other niceties, you're looking at the very least looking at the Big Horn trim level, which starts at $47k. >Unless by "real truck" they plan to make the Dakota a straight up Ranger Raptor competitor. To me, 'real truck" means body on frame. Nothing more, nothing less. The Maverick and Ridgeline are unibody.

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AndroidMyAndroid@reddit

I think you're underestimating how nice a Ram 1500 Tradesman can get. Cloth seats, big infotainment screen, Carplay/Android Auto, tons of stuff is available in those trucks. I'd assume that the Dakota would be, essentially, a Jeep Gladiator with maybe IFS and a different body. I don't think they're going to go full base model Jeep (power mirrors are probably not going to be optional on Dakota) but that is definitely going to be the sister truck. Considering how slow Gladiator sales are, the continuation of that model into a new generation probably hinges on the creation of the Dakota on the platform.

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DodgerBlueRobert1@reddit

No, I'm not underestimating it. I played around with the builder earlier today. You can upgrade the vinyl seats to cloth, but it's still a bench. You can upgrade to aluminum wheels instead of the standard steel wheels. And you can get rid of all that unpainted black plastic on the grill and bumpers. But as soon as you choose those 3 options on the Tradesman, you already at $44,600k. Or just $2400 less than the Big Horn. But you cannot upgrade to the larger infotainment screen in the Tradeseman. You have to go with the Big Horn to get the larger 12" screen.

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velociraptorfarmer@reddit

You can get a Frontier Pro-4X for the high 30s on a lot today.

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windowpuncher@reddit

Cheap small trucks will not come back. They will not. This is a fact we have to accept. Large vehicles are exempt from certain emissions categories, otherwise your small trucks need to be able to tow like 2 tons while getting something like 30mpg normally on average. It's not happening. Nobody is going to buy a tiny truck that can barely tow a single axle trailer when you can already get a car to do the same thing while being like $10k less.

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Repulsive-Club7866@reddit

The Canyon has a slightly higher starting price than the Sierra $38,900 vs $38,300 which has resulted in low sales for the Canyon

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oddmanout@reddit

Yea, you can get Frontier PRO-4X for like $42K. That's basically all the bells and whistles for roughly the same price as Dodge's base model.

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Noobasdfjkl@reddit

> ram is a level below Classic /r/cars comment. Ram is not a level below. They make the best riding half ton (their bet to invest in a coil spring rear end has the industry following suit) with excellent interior design/materials that still does all the truck stuff as good or better than the other two. There's a reason why this newest generation has been included in Car and Driver's 10 Best 7 years in a row. What a fundamentally ignorant comment.

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vhalember@reddit

Except we're talking about Stellantis here. They charge premium prices for non-premium vehicles. Their ownership of FCA has been a miserable, out-of-touch, failure.

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professorberrynibble@reddit

I'm convinced everyone in this sub is in complete denial about how much cars and trucks cost at this point, and adding in "lol stellantis," this is basically just a meme post at this point.

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IMA_5-STAR_MAN@reddit

My family 5 people has had like 20 stellantis cars since 2000. They continue to be cheaper than the rest and we NEVER have a problem. I've had Fords, Chevys, and Toyotas for work and I personally would only choose Ram or Toyota. The 25 Colorado is pretty nice but I the first 4k miles the windows intermittently don't work and I already had a problem for a week where it said "reduced power" and it was sluggish and wasn't shifting right. 3 dealers told me I'd have to wait a month for an appointment and not have a loaner. The problem solved itself and I'm hoping doesn't come back.

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thegalli@reddit

These fucking idiots obviously do not value alliteration Dodge Dakota was great, it rolls right off the tongue Ram Dakota sounds stupid

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IMA_5-STAR_MAN@reddit

Team Ram Rod!

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Drzhivago138@reddit

It was Ram Dakota for the last two years of the third gen too.

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JacobChaney@reddit

If that name worked as intended, you wouldn't have to explain that 😉

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Drzhivago138@reddit

The third gen Dakota was already on its way out in 2010 regardless of what marque it was under. The 2005 remodel had made backwards strides in build quality and looks vs. the previous gen, while stagnating in performance and MPG vs. the new mid-size models from Toyota and Nissan. A facelift in 2008 had helped slightly, but it was too little too late.

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JacobChaney@reddit

Yup. Nobody cares about the 3rd gen. Probably still a comparatively good vehicle compared to the problematic, expensive junk that is being produced industry-wide today.

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about_treefity@reddit

Ram Rakota

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cat_prophecy@reddit

We won't think it sounds dumb because we remember it being a "Dodge Dakota". To someone who doesn't know or care, it sounds normal.

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Mysterious_Inside501@reddit

How about something for $40,000 canadian. Sick of hearing about all these 35 and 40 thousand dollar affordable vehicles that still translate to over 50 grand Canadian

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Count_Dongula@reddit

Stellantis: we acknowledge our prices are too high, but we refuse to do anything about it.

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DriverDenali@reddit

Then they lower them anyway i got my gladiator at 32.5k it’s after 17k in dealer rebates cause they were sitting for 2-300 days.

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Count_Dongula@reddit

Stellantis has more unsold models than any other brand. They got shit sitting there from 2024.

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TFiPW@reddit

They sold 6 Dodge Darts in 2025. They stopped producing them in 2017.

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Hustletron@reddit

Where can I find this? I also wonder how much they sound for 😂

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riquenunes@reddit

Interestingly, Ram Dakota was just released in Brazil: [https://www.ram.com.br/picapes/dakota.html](https://www.ram.com.br/picapes/dakota.html), but it's essentially a rebadged Peugeot Landtrek.

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cereal7802@reddit

looks like they have done it again. "Do you want your smaller pickup with 4 doors, or 4 doors?"

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Drzhivago138@reddit

I mean, yeah, the global market has demanded double cab pickups for over 45 years now.

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biggsteve81@reddit

When you ask what new truck buyers want, the answer is almost always 4 doors.

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kopiernudelfresser@reddit

A [short cab Peugeot Landtrek exists](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDD2K2_qCL8) but it appears it's strictly a commercial vehicle.

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magnusmaster@reddit

The US will get a proper Ram Dakota rather than the subpar rebadged product sold in South America which doesn't deserve the Dakota nameplate.

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gluten_heimer@reddit

Good lord this is a cynical thread. All the CEO is saying is that if it’s gonna cost $40k, it needs to do what a $45k F150 can, just in a cheaper and smaller package.

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Professional_Fix4663@reddit

Low reliability, low resale value, high price: Choose just one. You can't have all three.

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gluten_heimer@reddit

The Range Rover would like a word.

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Adorable_Ant8583@reddit

That’s the tough spot with mid-priced trucks these days, feels like you have to pick your poison.

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MikeofLA@reddit

The recent Tacoma's want to have a word with you.

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caterham09@reddit

The Tacoma picked high price though. Resale value is always through the roof on Taco's

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MilesBeforeSmiles@reddit

We'll see about the new ones. Those new turbo powertrains are having a ton of issues.

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iamheero@reddit

I know they had some recalls which were addressed, what else besides that?

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peakdecline@reddit

There's immense debate on whether the Tundra engine issues have actually been resolved. And the Tacoma specifically I'd say the actual concern of note is the transmission.

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Fappy_as_a_Clam@reddit

It's definitely the trans. However I went with a 2023 with a V6 because as much as I trust Toyota, I just couldnt talk myself into the first gen of an all new turbo motor, especially when it's a turbo 4 in 4600lb truck. That's a *lot* to ask of a motor. It'll *probably* be fine, they really did beef it up, but I'm letting others take that risk for now.

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biggsteve81@reddit

That's the same reason I went with a 3rd gen instead of 4th. Maybe later I will get a 4th gen with better active safety features and *slightly* better fuel economy, but the Maverick is also very tempting to me.

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peakdecline@reddit

Its going to be inherently much lower this generation because there are discounts readily available on them. This is one reason why the resale value stat is extremely flawed. Its based on MSRP. The American brands, and now Toyota too, do not sell their trucks at MSRP. You can find invoice all day long on any truck you want bar maybe an F-150 Raptor.

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FSUfan35@reddit

Not quite sure about that on Toyota. My buddy is a sales GM at a major Toyota dealer and he still has people paying 5k over msrp for Tundras and Tacos

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peakdecline@reddit

I struggle to believe that could be true. $4K off a Tacoma TRD Pro [https://www.mccarthytoyotaofsedalia.com/new-Sedalia-2026-Toyota-Tacoma+i+FORCE+MAX-Tacoma+TRD+Pro-3TYLC5LNXTT056364](https://www.mccarthytoyotaofsedalia.com/new-Sedalia-2026-Toyota-Tacoma+i+FORCE+MAX-Tacoma+TRD+Pro-3TYLC5LNXTT056364) $4K off a Tacoma Trailhunter (and you could probably easily get more as this is an unsold 2025) [https://www.mccarthytoyotaofsedalia.com/new-Sedalia-2025-Toyota-Tacoma+i+FORCE+MAX-Tacoma+Trailhunter-3TYLC5LN4ST050347](https://www.mccarthytoyotaofsedalia.com/new-Sedalia-2025-Toyota-Tacoma+i+FORCE+MAX-Tacoma+Trailhunter-3TYLC5LN4ST050347) $5K off a Tundra TRD Pro [https://www.mccarthytoyotaofsedalia.com/new-Sedalia-2026-Toyota-Tundra+i+FORCE+MAX-Tundra+TRD+Pro-5TFPC5DB3TX118229](https://www.mccarthytoyotaofsedalia.com/new-Sedalia-2026-Toyota-Tundra+i+FORCE+MAX-Tundra+TRD+Pro-5TFPC5DB3TX118229) Feel free to look throughout. This is an extremely common example of the Toyota dealers in my greater area. All of them are $3.5-$8K off depending on exact configuration. These are advertised, honored prices. You can get more.

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FSUfan35@reddit

SRP isn't MSRP. Look at the window stickers. That dealer is jacking up the MSRP 4k and giving a 5k 'discount' online.

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theColeHardTruth@reddit

And Low reliability, dont forget that one

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willpc14@reddit

Are the Tacomas unreliable? I thought it was just the V35 in the Tundra platform that was having issues.

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hehechibby@reddit

[seems to be more on the reliable side of the spectrum \(in comparison\)](https://i.imgur.com/uREFmo7.png)

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TW1TCHYGAM3R@reddit

*predicted reliability I'd love to see some real quantifiable data since its been 2 years. I love my '24 Tacoma. It gets more bottom end torque and the transmission gear hunting is gone. I just hope it lasts as long as the V6 or the 2.7L, and its wish the engine sounded a bit nicer.

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Fappy_as_a_Clam@reddit

Get an aftermarket intake for it, you should get some pretty solid turbo and engine sounds with that

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TW1TCHYGAM3R@reddit

Not a bad idea to drown out those clacky injectors with more induction sounds. My fiancé told me she likes it when the turbo spools lol.

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Fappy_as_a_Clam@reddit

wait til she hears a blow off valve! which by the way, if you get an intake you should get a blowoff valve lol one of the classic sounding ones, like an old Greddy Type S

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TW1TCHYGAM3R@reddit

I wonder if I can put that on my wedding registry lol. Do you need a tune for the intake with the blow off valve? I wasn't planning on doing many mods until my warranty is up.

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Fappy_as_a_Clam@reddit

no, you shouldn't have too. but since its under warranty i'd look into it a bit lol

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willpc14@reddit

It's literally the highest in class rated for predicted reliability lol. It's just not a very compelling driving/ownership experience.

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cereal7802@reddit

> You can't have all three. wanna bet? don't challenge stellantis on this. they will take your list and add ugly and under powered for fun.

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oddmanout@reddit

You can if you're Stellantis!

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Palmisavage@reddit

There's enough emotional consumers that you don't need a great product, you just need great marketing and style.

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vhalember@reddit

Stellantis: "Hold my beer!"

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peakdecline@reddit

DT generation Ram 1500s were great trucks until 2025 with the arrival of the new electrical system. This idea they were all very unreliable just isn't backed up by the actual data. Resale value is a very flawed stat, along with "high price." MSRP is not the real price of a truck by any make at this point. Even Toyota when every Tundra has an advertised $6K off or even a top trim Tacoma like a Trailhunter has an advertised $5K+ off.

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NorCalAthlete@reddit

When I bought my Ram 1500 I got it for like $9500 off…they’ve always had crazy deals.

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Yummy_Crayons91@reddit

I was recently shopping for a pickup and there were a decent amount of Rams in the $30K range at my local CJDR dealer.

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cat_prophecy@reddit

Dodge: "wanna bet?"

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Shmokesshweed@reddit

It's a Stellantis product, so 40k MSRP really means 30k starting sales price.

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spizalert@reddit

made with about $382.50 of parts

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xnodesirex@reddit

That somehow cost 10x that when it's in the shop for the tenth time

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SignificantDrawer374@reddit

By "real" does he mean be unnecessarily tall, use an absurd amount of fuel, and fall apart unreasonably quickly?

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Adorable_Ant8583@reddit

Yeah right, real truck in 2026 means max fuel guzzling and probably a raised ride height for no real reason other than looks. Wouldn’t be surprised if the reliability takes a hit too.

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KennyGaming@reddit

Why are you asking for it to be hyperbole when he clearly means body on frame

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SignificantDrawer374@reddit

So I guess you don't understand humor huh?

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KennyGaming@reddit

Yes you must be right

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HempFandang0@reddit

No, he means gender-affirming. The other stuff is just a bonus

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Diabando@reddit

Truck nuts come standard on all of them

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Outlaw012Asterix@reddit

I think by "real" truck he means the truck is tall enough the truck nuts don't drag on the ground.

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cat_prophecy@reddit

Emotional Support Vehicle

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TeflonDonatello@reddit

Real means body on frame, not a unibody like the Maverick or Ridgeline.

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goot449@reddit

when did destination charges get so high? $2600 is ridiculous

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biggsteve81@reddit

We need Congress to pass a law requiring destination fees to be included in the MSRP.

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pawpawpersimony@reddit

I mean…without a “real” ram truck how are all the Dodge people going to get their DUI’s?

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Adorable_Ant8583@reddit

Haha, true that. Feels like every brand needs that “iconic” reckless rep to fit in these days.

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trick_m0nkey@reddit

The ones who have their first DUI already have their RAM 2500 picked out. The Dakota isn't marketed towards them :P

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Mapex_proM@reddit

Easier than you’d guess

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TimeBandits4kUHD@reddit

It also has the highest weight rating for seats, #1 truck for the morbidly obese alcoholics

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RobinsShaman@reddit

God damn it, they'll find a way! Let's toast.

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Me4aRZ@reddit

Knowing Dodge/RAM they mean the only midsize pickup with a V8. It won’t be $40k in that configuration but they’ll offer it, then wonder why it doesn’t sell when that version is priced at $75k.

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cereal7802@reddit

nah, they are going to insist on nothing but crew cab for all trim levels.

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SimplyDown@reddit

Ram needs to put down the crack pipe with the pricing. Just give us the basic Pentastar V6 + ZF 8 speed in a midsize platform and price it a bit below the competition. It'll sell all day like that. I have zero interest in a Dakota that costs the same or more than a Tacoma, especially if it comes with a high strung 2.0T engine or a 1.6T hybrid.

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MikeExMachina@reddit

I mean you basically just described the Frontier

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ohnosevyn@reddit

You are right lol

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SimplyDown@reddit

There's a lot of room for improvement on the Frontier. Heavy steering, horrible turning radius, dating styling inside and out, outdated tech. All stuff that Ram does fairly well and wouldn't make the Dakota an overpriced failure. There's a reason why the Frontier doesn't sell well, Ram has a chance to take what people like about the Frontier and improve on it.

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MikeExMachina@reddit

Well yeah, it’s old, they’ve basically been making it unchanged for like 20 years, but that’s *why* it’s comparatively affordable. If you think stellantis is gonna design a brand new platform, be best in class at everything like your critizing the frontier for not being, *and* be affordable, you’re dreaming. It sounded like you were asking someone to make a no frills truck that was affordable and reliable, if not perfect at everything, the frontier checks those boxes.

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SimplyDown@reddit

Nope, you're out out touch. No development needs to be done on the powertrain, it already exists. That's a huge chunk of development cost that doesn't need to happen. That's why the 3rd gen Frontier wasn't much more expensive than the 2nd gen Frontier, because the powertrain basically carried over. Throwing in a straw man argument about making it best in class at everything when I said nothing of the sort doesn't support your argument one bit.

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cubs223425@reddit

Is he saying this to mean $40K is the lowest the idiots at Stellantis can put the price, or is he crazy enough to think a Dakota at $40K is good value? Same kind of logic that gets you a $70K EV Charger as Dodge's best idea.

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Crewstage8387@reddit

What happened to the RAM 700/1200?

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turboash78@reddit

Real truck, ok cool, so more than just a dumb crew cab option!

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mgobla@reddit

$40k - that's also the base price of a Toyota TUNDRA with 406 lb ft torque...

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DodgerBlueRobert1@reddit

[The Tundra starts at $43,400](https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota/tundra). But it's also important to look at what you get for the price. Looking at price alone doesn't tell the whole story.

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mgobla@reddit

Including destination, which is $2.6k on top on the Ram.

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DodgerBlueRobert1@reddit

>Including destination Yes, you can't buy a vehicle without that. >which is $2.6k on top on the Ram. The Ram starts at $41,700, which is $1700 less than the Tundra. But that's for a stripped out fleet model with vinyl bench seats. Something that the Tundra doesn't even offer. You're looking at the Big Horn trim that resembles anything close to the base Tundra, which is $47k.

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mgobla@reddit

That's the point I was making, the Dodge is much worse value for money.

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Thirsty_Comment88@reddit

Should be $20k

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Environmental_Tap792@reddit

Which equates to $60k avg price before dealer markup

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kadyquakes@reddit

This is exactly why compact trucks failed the first time. You can’t charge the same for a full-size truck and expect people to want to buy a compact. You price the compact way under your full-size so it fits in the niche of a cheap, durable, truck.

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bagel_union@reddit

I wonder if the poor will love the Dakota as much as the ram

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cncwmg@reddit

I swear they've been talking about this fucking thing for 10 years.

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BisquickNinja@reddit

If I'm thinking it needs to be between the cost of a Maverick and a ranger... Start at the low 20s and then maybe go up to high 30s. Otherwise, they're going to be competing against other more competent vehicles.

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Slideways@reddit

> Start at the low 20s A Maverick with zero options is more than $30,000.

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MikeExMachina@reddit

Right, 21k is literally the cheapest new car in the country and buys you a bare bones nissan versa.

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Shmokesshweed@reddit

Right. This guy thinks he's going to hook folks on a 40k starting Stellantis product in a segment dominated by Toyota and where the scraps are already going to Ford, GM, and Nissan. And his increasingly irrelevant Gladiator.

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Slideways@reddit

> This guy thinks he's going to hook folks on a 40k starting Stellantis product Ne never said that.

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BisquickNinja@reddit

Well the gladiator looks interesting, it's really not that great as a truck. Small capacity in... Almost everything. Suspension doesn't work that great, it's really just a Jeep. And as we all know, most Jeeps are just show Queens.

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Shmokesshweed@reddit

Yeah, it's more geared towards folks that want a Jeep truck, not any truck. There are only so many of those folks...

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BisquickNinja@reddit

And they are usually like 50 to 60k is what blows my mind. I'm not spending $1,200 on something that's incompetent in two different ways. 🤔😅☠️

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ohnosevyn@reddit

How is the I4 hurricane anyway?

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Noobasdfjkl@reddit

I think the "evo" update is pretty substantial, so I'm not sure the reliability reputation will be entirely relevant anymore.

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airfryerfuntime@reddit

The old Dodge Dakota was super iconic. This thing just looks like a generic modern Ram. Unless it's cheap, why would people even bother with it? They can't give you reliability, so what are they even offering here?

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Noobasdfjkl@reddit

> This thing just looks like a generic modern Ram. The image in the linked article is indeed a Ram 1500. It's not a concept photo or spy shot or anything.

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Scazitar@reddit

Powertrain is going to make or break this thing imo. (And honestly didn't seem promising from what's said in the article.) Because the only argument on this planet of why you would pay more for a stellantis truck would be: Hurricane, Hemi, or an exceptional diesel.

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Noobasdfjkl@reddit

It will almost certainly be powered by the hurricane 4 cylinder paired to a ZF 8HP. I don't see them putting in a diesel, but maybe.

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ChasedWarrior@reddit

No it needs to be a real truck at 30 thousand dollars. Have they learned nothing about their outsized pricing? Did they learn nothing from the Hornet debacle?

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CurbsEnthusiasm@reddit

Sounds like this will be the new Enterprise rent a truck

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Efficacious_tamale@reddit

Maybe I’m out of the loop and missing information, which is likely. But the Maverick sold like crazy and it was just an Escape with a bed. If someone can make a body-on-frame that’s small like a Maverick and fairly bare bones it would likely sell even more. Give me a basic truck, a manual, a NA 4 banger, and I’ll be stoked. I think older Tacomas and Rangers are holding value so well because they’re basically the only trucks available offering that.

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ZoomZoom_Driver@reddit

Or, maybe, not the size of three 90s trucks?

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peakdecline@reddit

No one would buy it. This is the thing about the Maverick... its interior space is equivalent to the BOF mid-size truck products. You can't downsize the BOF trucks further without creating a cabin no one wants to live with. Its a reality of modern crash and safety engineering.

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ZoomZoom_Driver@reddit

Wait until pedestrians have to be on stilts to be seen above the hoodline. That'll show them foot walkers.

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TW1TCHYGAM3R@reddit

Lol why are CEOs so out of touch? Like they live in some fantasy world. Give me a mid-sized truck with a V8 like the old Dakota. It's not much to ask for really and it doesn't need to be a big V8.

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Nice-Philosopher4832@reddit

I honestly do not understand how there's a single person spending $40k on a Dodge Dakota. I'm confused about how the sales figure isn't literally going to be zero.

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lemonylol@reddit

Why do these automakers keep making trucks that fit into the same segment as already existing top sellers?

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Historical_Cable9719@reddit

That’s fine if it can do truck things. Does that even need to be said? Capability is not enough by itself. Price and size.

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Slideways@reddit

> That’s fine if it can do truck things. Does that even need to be said? Two of Santa Cruz's five trims start at more than $40,000. The same goes for Maverick.

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Shmokesshweed@reddit

And they're both heavily discounted, except for the hybrid AWD on the Maverick.

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Dooster1592@reddit

The Ranger, Colorado/Canyon, Tacoma, Frontier have all been on the market for *decades*. Sure, Jeep has the Gladiator in this segment - but once the niche group of people that wanted a Wrangler *and* a truck bought in - paired with execs on white lighting thinking they were $75k trucks top trim optioned out - sales fell off a cliff. Sure, it's a competitive slice of the market segment. But they've long had their chance to prove a product.

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Slideways@reddit

> Sure, Jeep has the Gladiator in this segment - but once the niche group of people that wanted a Wrangler and a truck bought in - paired with execs on white lighting thinking they were $75k trucks top trim optioned out - sales fell off a cliff. Gladiator sales were up 35% in 2025.

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Dooster1592@reddit

They also slashed MSRPs late 2024 and early 2025 so that tracks

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q0vneob@reddit

And it still barely outsold the Ridgeline

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Pitiful-Mobile-3144@reddit

I’m wondering if they’ll keep the Jeep Gladiator as the “base” midsize truck. I know jeeps aren’t the same as the Tacoma/ranger in terms of refinement or reliability, but the production cost is subsidized by selling a ton of Wranglers so they can probably bring that price down quite a bit lower than a new Ram

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JacobChaney@reddit

>I’m wondering if they’ll keep the Jeep Gladiator as the “base” midsize truck. Today I learned the Gladiator is only a "mid-size" truck. I'm never gonna stop driving 2nd gen Dakotas lol.

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peakdecline@reddit

Gladiators are higher priced than comparable mid-size trucks. Zero chance its the "budget" option. And the Gladiator, and Wrangler, should be seeing a new generation when the Dakota arrives.

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rewardingsnark@reddit

There is no way it doesn't match Tacoma, Ranger etc prices and launch at 50 to 60k or more.

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Fun_Driver_5566@reddit

The Dakota was always more powerful and quite a bit bigger than midsize trucks of old. Really it was a class of its own back in the day. If they stick a huge V8 in it and make a Dakota TRX I might be interested. Otherwise I predict the Raptor Ranger will remain as the best midsize truck on the market.

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JacobChaney@reddit

> If they stick a huge V8 in it and make a Dakota TRX I might be interested I really hope it does eventually get a V8. It would fit with the fact that the 2nd gen Dodge Dakota had a V8 when the Ranger was only V6, and while the Colorado was offered with a V8, it was one model year only and you'll never see one. That being said, either way you know Dodge is going to make a crazy version of this truck at some point, especially with Tim Kuniskis at the reins. I would assume the Raptor competitor is just going to get the high output version of the Hurricane inline 6 though.

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Musclecar123@reddit

Honestly, I wish Mitsubishi would bring the Triton over. 6spd manual or auto and 470 nm from a 2.4TD. 7700lb towing capacity. It sells for under 30k CAD in Asia. If they could get their act together and sell that here off the lot at 35K, they would outsell everything.

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Scazitar@reddit

In the article he says it probably doesn't need a v8 and obviously hybrid is the standard these days. Imo if that's the case it's totally cooked. They really don't understand their niche in the market anymore.

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Luis12285@reddit

We are never going back to 20-30k new trucks are we?

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bearded_dragon_34@reddit

If anyone could do a compelling product at a reasonable price, it’s CJDR. It could happen.

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turb0_encapsulator@reddit

the inability of these companies to make a simple truck that isn't huge and insanely expensive is ridiculous.

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sulaco83@reddit

How about instead of pricing your vehicles too high and selling them for significantly below MSRP after scaring away potential customers, you just price them appropriately.

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DaggumTarHeels@reddit

This is logical, but people aren't. Look at JC Penny for how this can backfire. https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/14/business/for-penney-a-tough-lesson-in-shopper-psychology.html

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pbb76@reddit

Because people are accustomed to large discounts and getting a perceived deal. It also helps with financing in negative equity as the discount keeps the loan to value ratio at an acceptable level. Trying to absord 15k in negative equity on a 30k vehicle is tough but on a 70k msrp truck selling at 55 is easier

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sulaco83@reddit

People used to be moreso before COVID but it seems like Mopar brands go way overboard on this compared to other brands and seeing how they price vehicles compared to competitors is a huge turn off.

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pbb76@reddit

You think that's bad take a look at the rv industry and how they price things.

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Syncrion@reddit

Yeah that's a lot of money, they are most likely competing against the Chevy Colorado, Toyota Tacoma and Ford Ranger which all clock in around $5k or so less starting. Or your straight up competing with full size truck, including the Ram. Neither scenario seems good. This only makes sense if $40k is a well optioned out offering.

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Mumphord123@reddit

Take 10k off msrp for incentives and discounts

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VinceBurlapp@reddit

$40,000! That's almost $8000 than a Nissan Frontier or Toyota Tacoma. Or $7000 more than a basic Ford Ranger. Good luck!

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PootyTheTang@reddit

No way i hope its FWD

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No_Cherry_1423@reddit

When will Stellantis get a grip about prices. What even is the motivation here anymore

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black_flag_4ever@reddit

Idiotic. People are broke. Who is going to buy this when they can get a full size truck for less?

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Slideways@reddit

Everyone who bought a Gladiator, Canyon, ZR2, TRD, or Ranger Raptor could have spent less and gotten a full-size.

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jhowlett@reddit

I feel like they really need something to differentiate the Dakota from the other midsizers. At least using something like the Pentistar V6 would put it in the conversation with the Frontier in having an N/A V6. But if its some generic corporate 4cyl turbo I wouldn't risk the reliability of a Stellantis product. If they went wild and somehow offered a V8 at the same price point as the others in the class that would also certainly stand out.

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acre18@reddit

if you buy a stellantis product in 2026 I have no sympathy for you.

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Ok_Reputation3298@reddit

Another $40k truck! Yay!

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hat1337@reddit

I envy USA. In Europe not only we cannot get them, but also they are soooo cheap for you guys it's crazy. 40k barely any car larger than golf are cheaper than 40k new here in Poland. It's stupid.

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Dgp68824402@reddit

No, it needs to be a useful truck at $30k

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Kornaros@reddit

Weird way to say a rebadged Mitsubishi L200. Look at it, and the Fiat Fullback

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Drzhivago138@reddit

The newest global Dakota isn't a rebadged Mitsu, and any US model we eventually get won't be related to it either.

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Dooster1592@reddit

The Ranger, Colorado/Canyon, Tacoma, Frontier have all been on the market for *decades*. Sure, Jeep has the Gladiator in this segment - but once the niche group of people that wanted a Wrangler *and* a truck bought in - paired with execs on white lighting thinking they were $75k trucks top trim optioned out - sales fell off a cliff. Sure, it's a competitive slice of the market segment. But they've long had their chance to prove a product.

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Scarlet-Highlander-@reddit

It won’t.

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LogicalEgo@reddit

I cant even afford a 5k Truck.

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GuyMcTest@reddit

They must be banking on smaller size and features being a selling point

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V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit

Small truck buyers are really looking Rampage. Maverick provers market there, I can see Ram wanting that market too.

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timetravelerfrom2027@reddit

Are these features for ants?

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Word_Underscore@reddit

To be fair, it comes with a 12 month subscription of Ozempic for the buyers. Novo and Stellantis reached a deal

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costafilh0@reddit

$40K for a Dakota V8? /doubt

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Slideways@reddit

That claim is not made anywhere in the article.

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Slideways@reddit

MSRP and destination for a 2WD crew-cab Tradesman is $47,000. It's $49,000 for an Express.

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Shmokesshweed@reddit

MSRP means nothing with Stellantis products. They'll discount them thousands and still sit on lots. https://visor.vin/search/listings?make=RAM&model=%221500%22&agnostic=false&trim=Tradesman&car_type=new&sort=cheapest

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Slideways@reddit

> MSRP means nothing with Stellantis products. It does when we're talking about prices the CEO mentioned.

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pbb76@reddit

Unless it comes in under 30k it will flop.

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