What full size SUV to look at?
Posted by Ok-Letterhead-4171@reddit | askcarguys | View on Reddit | 80 comments
My family is looking for a new SUV. We currently have a 2019 Subaru Ascent with about 50,000 miles. We bought it new back in 2019. It’s been fine, but it makes me nervous. We already had the transmission replaced, under warranty. Every time we start it, it puffs white smoke from the exhaust. Subaru dealer told us that’s normal.
We’re a family of four, but we’re always carting around extra teenagers. We use the third row pretty often. It’s not I usually to have 7 people in the car. Our youngest is in a booster.
We aren’t in dire need of a new car, but we’d like something bigger (more comfortable for a large group), and like I said, the Ascent makes me nervous. I don’t want to be holding the bag when something catastrophic happens.
It seems like our options are mini van, Expedition, Tahoe/Yukon, or Sequoia. We’re not really interested in a mini van. We are looking at new. I would consider a certified pre owned, but buying an American made SUV with 50,000 miles on it doesn’t seem like trading up, reliability wise, from the Ascent.
hexens_aoty@reddit
PlumCrazyPurple-@reddit
Nope, my new Volvo XC90 seats 7 people very comfortably
Beef_Candy@reddit
Disagree. Sorry.
The_Money_Guy_@reddit
What vehicle fits 7 people comfortably then?
PlumCrazyPurple-@reddit
My new Volvo XC90
FrostyMasterpiece400@reddit
My Kia Ev9
ohwell_______@reddit
OP listed an Expedition, Tahoe/Yukon, and a Sequoia as some examples.
zagnuy@reddit
Expedition
Kent89052@reddit
Really?? Won't A 3-row SUV seat 6-8,
mjxxyy8@reddit
It’s not just about number of seats. A minivan has mire comfortable seating, more flexible seating, and still usable cargo.
Until you get to Suburban/Expedition size, that third row reduces your storage space a lot. But the cost difference between a minivan and one of those is significant.
Kent89052@reddit
Using the city bus is even cheaper than a minivan.
dead_dw4rf@reddit
Not everyone lives in a city. Not every city has good bus networks.
NoLunch5545@reddit
Honda pilot seats 8 awd awesome mpg
SpecialistMaybe8016@reddit
Clown car
NoLunch5545@reddit
It’s been way more reliable than my suburban. Gets way better mileage. Anyone with 1/2 a brain would like to get better mileage it saves you money
Vitriolic_III@reddit
TBCH I'd watch bringatrailer (even better if you can find one local) for a low mileage no rust Yukon/Tahoe between 2001-2006. Easy and cheap to fix, comfortable, and will easily beat 200k miles without much of a dent in your wallet. Maybe even buy 2. https://imgur.com/QMkTaBF
SpecialistMaybe8016@reddit
Sold our 2011 Tahoe last year with 250k miles on it. It still ran like a champ and looked very good for 15 year old car
hublar@reddit
you won't find better reliability than Lexus. A little pricey - worth it.
SpecialistMaybe8016@reddit
The best SUV is same the as best boat - the one you can pay cash for.
honestron@reddit
I don't know if it will fit your needs, but a Hyundai Palisade is a great SUV. I have a 2024 SEL. While I don't have more than myself and one other person in the car, it does have 3rd row seating. Just tossing this out there as my recommendation.
SpecialistMaybe8016@reddit
Not a full size SUV. One step above a clown car. Best suv in this size is RX350
trusound@reddit
Do you care about gas mileage? Everything you list guzzles it
SpecialistMaybe8016@reddit
No. Gas mileage isn’t a consideration for full size suvs.
Mommys_diamond_dick@reddit
2021 to 2025 armada. Last reliable V8 made. No auto start stop. Real towing and payload capacity, real off road pedigree coming from the Nissan patrol platform, and insane depreciation makes it best bang for buck. Also, made in japan.
RileysBS@reddit
You should try to find a Yukon or Tahoe with the 3.0 diesel engine. I have that engine in my pickup and get 25-30 mpg on the highway. I have a '24 with 40K miles and love it, haven't ever had any issues.
Chevy91505@reddit
Sequoia is the way to go or I hate to say. Mini van.
Lumphrey@reddit
Highlander
lamedadz@reddit
I was going to write a long reply comparing all these vehicles but what you want is a minivan unless you are constantly towing stuff AND carrying people, then you need a suburban size. Minivan will win hands down based on what seems like your only metric which is comfortable people carrying.
fulanoderock@reddit
Grand Highlander or Lexus TX.
Gorilla780@reddit
Grand highlander. More room then sequoia just can’t tow much
Sonic1psa@reddit
Minivan, suburban,expedition EL, & I think it’s the Toyota Sequoia. Those are probably gonna be your best pets.
RedditAlwaysComesUp@reddit
It’s not quite a full size SUV, but my wife has a 2023 Pilot. Plenty of room for up to 8. We use it to car my son and his friends around all the time.
Diarrhea_Eruptions@reddit
How's the gas mileage? They really need a hybrid version of this.
RedditAlwaysComesUp@reddit
So my wife got the Elite, which is AWD all the time. She gets 22-23 MPG in mixed driving. I’m not sure about the trims that are FWD.
AnxiousReward1715@reddit
Your wife must be a gentle driver with eco mode on....
RedditAlwaysComesUp@reddit
100%
KRed75@reddit
When I was looking for one, I came up with the following list. I went with the Buick Enclave. I already have an older Suburban.
Buick Enclave, Chevy Traverse, GMC Acadia, Chevrolet Tahoe/Suburban, GMC Yukon/Yukon XL, Ford Expedition/Expedition Max, Toyota Sequoia, Infiniti QX80, Nissan Armada, Toyota Grand Highlander, Hyundai Palisade, Kia Telluride, Honda Pilot
-half_and_half-@reddit
so fuck the Durangos huh😅😂
MidgarZanarkand@reddit
I have a VW Atlas, 2019 VR6 with 117,000 miles. Problems so far have been a door wiring harness recall, the electric trunk latch went out which stopped me from opening it on the outside, and the collision detection system occasionally seeing ghosts. Everything that’s more than just a minor nuisance (engine, tranny, etc) runs exactly how it did when new. The third row has enough room to seat adults in a pinch. Interior space utilization is as close to minivan-esque as you get without a minivan. Ford Expedition-esque interior space but the actual size is closer to a Ford Explorer. It can also get 24 MPG highway when driven lightly, dropping to 18-20 when driven by a leadfoot or 16 when towing a trailer.
Ponald-Dump@reddit
Sequoia with the 5.7. One of the most reliable platforms ever built, with a few hitting 1 million miles (literally, google million mile 5.7 tundra, same engine and trans).
2018+ have upgraded LED headlights from the factory, and 2020-2022 have apple car play built in.
Jrsq270@reddit
Toyota 4 Runner Sport
CanmoreDave@reddit
I love my Lincoln Navigator, it's super comfy and the third row is spacious.
GeneralJohnStark@reddit
I have a '22 Yukon. 5.3 V8. I came from 20 years of Toyota pickup trucks and a Celica so reliability was a concern. The Ford has better seats throughout, but I didn't trust Ford turbos. And Looking at used trucks I saw a lot of previous gen 5.3 Suburban/Yukons with 250k miles on them. The only issue in 20k miles (which is nothing, I want 0 issues in 100k miles) has been having to replace the washer spray pump which was DIY in 15 minutes and $20 part. I did pick up a Range AFM delete because that's the only concern I hear about the 5.3.
I will caution about the Sequoia because if you have 7 people (third row seats upright) and need luggage there's not much room there. Everyone on Reddit drools over minivans, and they are incredibly practical, but if you don't want one don't let them pressure you into it. My dad always viewed a car as a tool, like a hammer. But this is /r/askcarguys and I value enjoying what I drive.
Storm_Surge_919@reddit
Sequoia 3rd row is a week spot. Yes it has one, but with the packaging of the hybrid battery placement, it’s cramped back there like smaller cars where a 3rd row was stuffed in as an afterthought. Other than I think they’re pretty good vehicles.
The list of vehicles I’d consider true 3 row SUVs is actually pretty short. - Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade from GM - Suburban/Yukon XL/Escalade ESC if you need more room behind the 3rd on a regular basis. - Expedition/Navigator from Ford/Lincoln - These also have extended length variants - Grand Wagoneer from Jeep - Also Available in an extended length - Armada/QX80 from Nissan/Infiniti
The next closest options I’d move down to would be (in no particular order): - The longer model Defender - BMW X7 - Lexus TX (their big LX is even more of 3rd was just thrown in kind of vehicle than the Sequoia) - The big Benz SUV
Late-Nectarine5435@reddit
Audi Q7
Snoo59759@reddit
Why not a AWD minivan?
HV_Commissioning@reddit
Those mini vans sure are handy when you are doing a construction project. 4x8 sheets of drywall- my old Plymouth was made for those. 2x4 or other long material you don't want hanging out your car - slide them all the way up.
Ok-Letterhead-4171@reddit (OP)
I might consider test driving an AWD Sienna. I’m not sure I’ll be convinced. One problem I have with the Sienna is no dealerships have them in stock.
myburneraccount151@reddit
We have an Odyssey and I cannot stress enough how great it is. It's an 18, we purchased in 21
beholder95@reddit
+1 for Odyssey. I have a 2020 Elite I bought new and now with 75k in it all I’ve done is tires, brakes, and a rear strut that broke under warranty. With 3 kids this car is rock solid.
CJ3262@reddit
We have a Volvo XC90 and it’s such a solid car.
04limited@reddit
If I was in your position I’d get a Chevy Suburban/GMC Yukon XL and be done with it. 5.3 V8 model not the 6.2 that keeps blowing up. Maybe 2022+ Expedition Max if there were better incentives or you didn’t want a GM product.
I wouldn’t waste time on a Jeep Wagoneer. Nice SUVs but too hit or miss with quality. Sequoias are pricey and dont have as much interior space compared to the GMs. The new Armada may be worth considering. But with these being short wheel base you won’t have as much cargo room behind the third row should you need it. They’re nice rigs though.
RevolutionLeast8587@reddit
Tahoe/Yukon.
GM accounts for roughly 60–70% of full-size SUV sales in the U.S. — there’s a reason they dominate this segment.
04limited@reddit
Correct. The GM twins have been the gold standard for years.
Burning_Goddess@reddit
Toyota Grand Highlander
dustinb2021@reddit
Love ours
Jlanc336@reddit
We bought a VW Atlas. I’m 6’, 220 and can sit comfortably in the third row. Even has decent trunk space with the 3rd row up, especially compared to the Tahoe we had before it.
TwoMundane@reddit
Expedition (Ford) or Suburban (Chevy)
312x310@reddit
Land Rover defender 130 with captains chairs. Seats 7 comfortably and you don’t look like an uber driver.
Seven-D-Seven@reddit
Grand Highlander Hybrid. Expensive. Reliable. Best gas mileage 35MPG. Plenty of room.
DoobieGibson@reddit
why are you against a minivan?
they drive way better in the sense that they’re more maneuverable and more fuel efficient, they’re much easier to actually get people in and out of, and it’s not going to cost as much as a full size suv
Toyota Sienna’s have faster 0-60s than Chevy Malibu’s and Honda Odysseys are legitimately fun to drive in Sports mode.
i just feel like for the sake of use, letting your children and their friends just open the door and hopping in the van would be better than having to move the seats forward and back all the time
Alternative-Shape-59@reddit
I mean, a car blowing out white smoke on start is normal, especially on cold days. My brother just picked up the KIA carnival, so don’t get that. Lmao I do believe the 4Runner also offers third row options.
bdtv75702@reddit
Sequoia has a battery under the third row that makes it less usable than the competitions’. If you can live with that then it will most likely get you to 200k miles.
I love the classic Tahoe/ Yukon, but avoid the 6.7L V8 that has had a total engine recall from 2021-2024. I still wouldn’t get a new one. I’d stick to the tried and true 5.3 V8. The fit and finish of a Tahoe/yukon is the best out of the 3 IMO.
I personally like the expedition a lot. I’m biased since I own the F-150, but the engines are the most fun to drive out of the 3. I have an eco boost and it’s been problem free for the past 3 years. Only do oil change and tire rotation in that timespan. The fit and finish is nice but what makes the expedition different is the pick up at the line on acceleration.
Ok-Letterhead-4171@reddit (OP)
I haven’t driven any of them yet, but on paper, the Expedition is the most appealing to me. Higher HP, better gas mileage, doesn’t have the recall history that the bigger GM v8 has. I plan to drive them all.
BaldursFence3800@reddit
The 3.5 ecoboost doesn’t get good gas mileage, trust me. Especially in a car that heavy, you’ll be in boost most of the time/sucking up more gas.
Loyloy392@reddit
Technically, you can also have the Jeep Wagoneer L. I am 6’3 and fit in the back seat and captains chairs no problem. And my legs don’t touch either seat. I was impressed with someone with a 37” inseam.
HOWEVER… you’ll never get to drive it because everything in that car breaks. The electrical. The drivetrain. It’s not worth the headache and repair invoices or depreciation. Hell between this year and last year they dropped almost 25k off the MSRP alone. It was a nice attempt at the sector, but it’s fallen flat on its face.
I would agree that 5.3 is tried and true. And probably the best all around player in that sector. Expedition is more head room. The Toyota is a little tight. I wish them or Honda hell even Mazda would dive into that sector and disrupt things reliability wise.
Loyloy392@reddit
Oh and I guess the Nissan armada/QX80. Real short trunk space though and I always thought it felt like driving around with your living room with you. But used their prices are more attractive because they went so long without a refresh.
Y0USER@reddit
The 5.3 isn’t tried and true unless it’s the 06 and prior 5.3. After that they all have AFM and lifter issues
Unique-Reward4492@reddit
Suburban, if you want the extra cargo, or Tahoe with the Duramax diesel. This is the way.
First-County-4667@reddit
Honda Pilot. It’s not full full size but I’ve had 8 people in it for a 4 hour trip and it was fine. Súper reliable, good in the snow.
medhat20005@reddit
Teenage sized kids. I'd vote Hyundai Palisade/Kia Telluride as the best (by far) bang for the buck. Even the larger Toyota Highlander may be too small, and the Sequoia is on an older truck platform so I'm not as inclined there. That's where I'd be looking (particularly the Kia).
Gunk_Olgidar@reddit
Water vapor (steam) coming out the tailpipe is normal on cold start in wnter and will last a couple minutes until the exhaust warms up. A big smoky white puff followed by the normal steam vapor is not normal, and suggests coolant in the cylinder at startup.
If it's still under warranty, ask the dealer to do a compression and leak down test. Will probably cost you money for the test, but if it fails they'll fix it under warranty (typically a failed head gasket or crack in head/block). You can also DIY remove and inspect the spark plugs. If one is cleaner than the others, then that's a strong indicator of same.
If it's not still under warranty, any mechanic you trust can do the test and read the plugs while they're at it.
Gunk_Olgidar@reddit
As to a replacement, any 7 seat SUV or Minivan will be fine. Avoid Honda V6 engines with VCM (IIRC all of them have VCM 2005+).
BigConscience728@reddit
Tahoe / suburban has been a champ for ages for a reason
Y0USER@reddit
New gm is horrible. 00-06 gmt800 gm was the best
jrileyy229@reddit
A small puff on startup is kind of normal for those.
Why does buying American seem like a trade down? Your brand new Subaru under 50k miles needed a transmission... And you're holding that on the reliability pedestal???
All brands have issues here and there.... American budget cars are inferior to Japanese generally... But when you get into more expensive stuff like full size Ford and Chevy trucks/suvs.. They're pretty good. They do build them to a much higher quality than their budget economy cars
Crowlady77@reddit
The white smoke is probably water vapor.
CountryRoads1234@reddit
Honda Pilot.
olddoc1@reddit
By the way, your Subaru was made in USA in Indiana. https://www.subaru-sia.com/about With all the trouble of buying a new car when you value reliability, I'd go new or 2 years old and 20,000 miles or less.
Austinist@reddit
Expedition has by far the best engine/ transmission combo. If you test drive them it will be obvious in my experience.