Yeah it sucks I'm certain man it's cool for big SDR movie watching and that's it literally lol, but other than that it's dogshit for gaming HDR anything.
Because we are talking 80-150 nits maybe 200 nits max, that's not just bad that's not HDR barley more than the 100 nits SDR is HDR starts at 700 nits in 2026 and even then that's too dark for even a dark room for many things.
I think they are good for 60fps SDR content aka stuff from 11-100 years ago but anything with good HDR is a waste even on the world's best projector Christie Eclipse it has bad HDR vs a $450 QM6K mini LED that has higher effective contrast (yes the colors are better on the 100-300k laser projector.) but it's brightness is a universe apart, 100-150 nits vs 1000 and nits aren't a normal scale the difference between 100-300 is massive 300 and 600 is massive again and 600 vs 1000 is massive, it's a better experience in every way than every projector ever made. Yes 15/70 has a higher resolution but that's all it has but 18k effective resolution at that screen size is hard to beat.
Displays and projectors are hard to compare in an equal manner. It's been quite a few years, but our organization once had a similar-size projection screen theater with a $50k Panasonic projector, and that projector consumed a lot more power and emitted a lot more heat than this Awall, with far less less screen brightness.
I find it easy to compare... large screen space, portability/weight, how bright it is, does it support 4k, does it come with surround sound? I could compare smart software but I don't use the built in software.
As I said, my biggest point of reference is a $50k Panasonic projector on a gantry, with 3G-SDI inputs, that would have needed a dedicated heat pump to keep the room comfortable for more than 10-15 minutes of runtime. And that would still be a lot less bright than the Awall.
Would I like us to just have smart paint that when connected to power is a TV, sure, but until then a under good 4k project is now under 4k. The video my screen looks just as good, along with as big for 850 bucks with surround sound. It only weights 10lbs I can bring anywhere, too along with coming with a case.
The wall is neat, I will give you that... but even companies opt for projectors more than panels you must spend 100k+
For now a high end UST is still the most reasonable way to get 150” but it’ll always pale in comparison to a true high end TV. Love my formovie theater but can’t wait until I could get something like this for under 10 grand
But it's not just bad it's like basically fake it doesn't exist on projectors and gaming is god awful and they just suck ass I hate them genuinely can't wait for micro led to take over theaters (it's too expensive for homes QDEL will ultimately win) in the 2030s.
The basic problem with MicroLED is making the LEDs small enough to use in smaller TVs.
I mean, most people probably "only" have room for something like a 55" to 85" TV
There’s already OLED for that and it’s “affordable” now in those sizes and I really can’t see it getting much better in that size range. We’ve pretty much peaked, imo.
Large format is the burgeoning frontier and oled is priced out there. Top end consumer projectors start at $30k. 50-70k isn’t far off for a dedicated theater setup for an “endgame” direct view setup. Can tell from experience, the lack of brightness in a jvc nz9 after spending that kind of bread leaves a lot to be desired, even in a dedicated theater room.
For that end of the market it’s priced just well enough to seriously consider it. The biggest issue I see in a home theater build is the LCR speaker placement. Can’t really go behind the panels like you can an acoustic screen.
For your 2026 Roundup have you thought about doing a completely new blind test? with 3 other people score your setup since each person eye are different.
A) Three People + You, one test at one time (no side by side)
B) Three screen size 100, 150, 300, 600 inch winners
C) Ultimate Three Way Champions of LED TV (TCL, AWALL) , LCD Projection (H1, G818, PJ40, Paris, JVC nz500/nz8), DLP (C1 Ultra. x1, PRO 2, HORIZON 20 PRO)
Your channel improved so much over 4 years, that LED wall is hilarious
If it's like the micro-leds I've seen in person... honestly I'm not that impressed by them. If you're comparing a \~3000-5000 mini-LED tv to a $50-200k micro-LED, the latter better be DARN GOOD.
The one in the Singapore zoo/aquarium looked damaged... basically water-like streaks where the color just sucked and was off/dead. It's nowhere near water though. Probably just island humidity and rain.
The one in the office I work at has a bunch of panels go out regularly. Just grids that are either off or one color. The color quality isn't that great and ...
The one I saw in a shopping center a while back was OK but it was also 100 feet away and I barely got a look at it.
These were all in very different environments and countries/hemispheres.
I'm not convinced on image quality or reliability to justify the huge price premium. Maybe I'm just looking at older displays or units that were bad but...
But why would any one even want this in the years?
We already have 130 inch tvs on the way. With better specs ( depending on your preference) than this wall display.
The two stand out features, having multiple inputs at the same time which turn the display in 4 separate tvs. And the custom display ratio. Are not that great of features.
The multiple displays feature can be emulated by current tvs if the manufacturer ls allow software support, like hdmi 1 input displayed on the top right corner, etc.
And the custom ratio allowing little bezels can be achieved if manufactures made 16:10 tvs.
This is a great display, for now.
But in a couple of years i would think we would have even better regular tvs. Just not as big, but close enough.
We already have 130 inch tvs on the way. With better specs
I have no intention of ever taking delivery of, and then moving into a building and mounting, a monolithic 130-inch (or 110-inch) display. Then, if it's damaged or needs to be returned, doing the opposite.
This modular approach in its current commercial format, requires a separate controller and "18 Cat 6 ethernet drops", and I'm all about it. They do need to work on the passive power draw of the existing product, though.
Those are the two standout features of this unit in particular, there are plenty of advantages to MicroLED overall, OLED-like response times, true blacks, etc. w/o the durability issues & degradation, & w/ the brightness of a MiniLED panel & gamut of the newer MicroRGB panels
The tech is really cool, no doubt but it’s obviously got a ways to go.
Insane amounts of power draw even on a full black screen at 600W, terrible input lag (and I assume no 120hz or VRR), limits the screen to 800nits peak/full field since he fears wearing it out, has to deal with some level of pixel scaling for everything besides 2.35:1 content, and price+install process still make it prohibitive.
What I saw was annoying (and most likely unnecessary) power draw, amounts of input lag that make gaming a poor fit, and the power level is 800 normal with the 1200 nits being explicitly overdriven.
If you compare it to a high-end OLED gaming monitor, then yes, it loses on all metrics except its raison d'etre.
A lot of the power draw issue can be fixed by TV manufacturers, they will simply have one control board with an SOC that basically runs all the modular panels and scales everything on it's own when MicroLED does come to the TV market. They can do that sort of thing today, let alone when MicroLED reduces in cost to manufacture and is ready for TVs. That would also fix the input lag issues since like any other TV it will just scale the content correctly and not have to bother with the latency of scaling each panel individually and then processing and linking it all together to make a correct looking picture from multiple control boards. In the end, AWALL is basically just using off the shelf parts from commercial displays to offer people a "TV", which is nice I suppose if you're a high roller or rich guy, you basically get early access to a janky setup with amazing picture quality.
I’d seriously consider a MicroLED wall to replace my JVC projector. I have a 130” 21:9 screen and it’s amazing but requires blackout curtains. Having something I can watch during the day would be killer. I can’t watch sports on my projector because I don’t want to do that in the pitch dark.
If they fix input lag, get a little better pixel pitch, and get the price below 20k I’d seriously consider it. 129” 0.9 is 36k right now.
A 130” TV isn’t going to fit down my steps. The logistics of a huge TV makes it a nonstarter for a lot of people. I don’t know anyone that could fit that down their stairs. Modular is the way to go for large screens.
I don't know, for 50k, I expect things to work out the box and the company to do the installation and setup for you. Also the lack of normal TV functions sees like a big red flag that this isn't really a consumer product. I guess if you can afford it, you can afford to fix all the side issues as well, but this still doesn't seem like a product geared toward consumers regardless of budget.
Modular TVs like this will eventually be the future once costs come down. We've seen it with IKEA furniture where everything is compact and needs to be assembled.
The reviewer makes a great point about panels being replaceable: if you see a dead pixel, or if a kid throws a toy at the TV, you can just replace the damaged section and not the whole TV.
Electronics over $100, sold in Cali, are required to have replacement parts for a minimum of 7 years. That law pretty much sets the standard for companies since it's such a large population.
I feel like replacements panels are an oversold feature, in a rapidly moving space how long is a manufacturer going to make the same panels? I feel like you have to buy a few up front to have on hand or something. That or you have to find someone who is parting out their own old panels.
Current TV warranty service beyond 1 year is terrible anyway. Extended warranty plans are typically third-party, and they usually end up offering a "fair value" replacement model that factors in deprecation, or they'll find any reason to reject your claim outright. r/asurion is full of complaints.
Given how terrible warranty service is nowadays, buying an extra 2-3 panels for insurance at the time of purchase doesn't seem like a bad idea.
Input lag and baseline power draw are insane. The only good news is that pricing seems to be descending - of course, until all hell breaks loose between China and Taiwan in a few years.
xeoron@reddit
These are neat, but a projector is way more affordable and portable for a big screen with a small price.
SniperChicken39@reddit
They suck ass though even a 300k one has bad HDR
xeoron@reddit
Mine doesn't even has ATMOS sound and is 4k with upscaling... and is a LED projector
SniperChicken39@reddit
Yeah it sucks I'm certain man it's cool for big SDR movie watching and that's it literally lol, but other than that it's dogshit for gaming HDR anything.
Because we are talking 80-150 nits maybe 200 nits max, that's not just bad that's not HDR barley more than the 100 nits SDR is HDR starts at 700 nits in 2026 and even then that's too dark for even a dark room for many things.
I think they are good for 60fps SDR content aka stuff from 11-100 years ago but anything with good HDR is a waste even on the world's best projector Christie Eclipse it has bad HDR vs a $450 QM6K mini LED that has higher effective contrast (yes the colors are better on the 100-300k laser projector.) but it's brightness is a universe apart, 100-150 nits vs 1000 and nits aren't a normal scale the difference between 100-300 is massive 300 and 600 is massive again and 600 vs 1000 is massive, it's a better experience in every way than every projector ever made. Yes 15/70 has a higher resolution but that's all it has but 18k effective resolution at that screen size is hard to beat.
xeoron@reddit
You are talking about low end crappy ones... I have a 2000nits 4k... one it is very bright and lights up the whole wall like a mini theater
Strazdas1@reddit
Projectors are actually not really cheaper once you count into the price of replacing bulbs over the lifetime of the device.
xeoron@reddit
The laser LED ones don't need replacement bulbs.
Strazdas1@reddit
Laser projectors still loose brightness and colour and still need you to replace the laser engine. Just typically 3-4 times less often.
pdp10@reddit
Displays and projectors are hard to compare in an equal manner. It's been quite a few years, but our organization once had a similar-size projection screen theater with a $50k Panasonic projector, and that projector consumed a lot more power and emitted a lot more heat than this Awall, with far less less screen brightness.
xeoron@reddit
I find it easy to compare... large screen space, portability/weight, how bright it is, does it support 4k, does it come with surround sound? I could compare smart software but I don't use the built in software.
pdp10@reddit
As I said, my biggest point of reference is a $50k Panasonic projector on a gantry, with 3G-SDI inputs, that would have needed a dedicated heat pump to keep the room comfortable for more than 10-15 minutes of runtime. And that would still be a lot less bright than the Awall.
xeoron@reddit
Would I like us to just have smart paint that when connected to power is a TV, sure, but until then a under good 4k project is now under 4k. The video my screen looks just as good, along with as big for 850 bucks with surround sound. It only weights 10lbs I can bring anywhere, too along with coming with a case.
The wall is neat, I will give you that... but even companies opt for projectors more than panels you must spend 100k+
EastvsWest@reddit
The people and companies who buy this don't care about price. You also have to start somewhere in order to lower the price if it remains relevant.
Unfair_Lock_977@reddit
true, early adopters basically help fund the tech for the rest of us eventually llo
TerminusFox@reddit
I still remember when Plasma TVs came out and thought they’d remain expensive in my lifetime.
lol. Black Friday you can get a TV that’s bigger, weighs less, better picture quality for a tenth of the price
avboden@reddit
For now a high end UST is still the most reasonable way to get 150” but it’ll always pale in comparison to a true high end TV. Love my formovie theater but can’t wait until I could get something like this for under 10 grand
Agile-Intergrator@reddit
Don't turn the lights on.
avboden@reddit
I mean anyone with a 150" screen is gonna use it in a semi-dedicated theater space anyways
SniperChicken39@reddit
HDR will always suck on projectors it will never be good no matter how much they cost.
avboden@reddit
Sure, but many people prioritize screen size over HDR performance.
SniperChicken39@reddit
But it's not just bad it's like basically fake it doesn't exist on projectors and gaming is god awful and they just suck ass I hate them genuinely can't wait for micro led to take over theaters (it's too expensive for homes QDEL will ultimately win) in the 2030s.
Nuck_Chorris_Stache@reddit
The basic problem with MicroLED is making the LEDs small enough to use in smaller TVs.
I mean, most people probably "only" have room for something like a 55" to 85" TV
apache137@reddit
There’s already OLED for that and it’s “affordable” now in those sizes and I really can’t see it getting much better in that size range. We’ve pretty much peaked, imo. Large format is the burgeoning frontier and oled is priced out there. Top end consumer projectors start at $30k. 50-70k isn’t far off for a dedicated theater setup for an “endgame” direct view setup. Can tell from experience, the lack of brightness in a jvc nz9 after spending that kind of bread leaves a lot to be desired, even in a dedicated theater room.
For that end of the market it’s priced just well enough to seriously consider it. The biggest issue I see in a home theater build is the LCR speaker placement. Can’t really go behind the panels like you can an acoustic screen.
Nuck_Chorris_Stache@reddit
The reason people are hanging out for MicroLED to replace OLED is because they want to avoid OLED burn-in
theaspin@reddit
I wonder how visible is the space between LED modules. I've seen a smaller MicroLED TV and the visible grid is quite distracting in dark scenes.
deep_chungus@reddit
he mentions it, i missed it exactly but he said at 9ft from the wall you wouldn't be able to see pixels with perfect vision
bestanonever@reddit
9ft sounds like p2.5mm or p2.9mm. Pretty good but there are better ones still.
The_Hook_Up@reddit
It's discussed in detail in the video. The pixel pitch is 0.9mm
Budget_Leopard788@reddit
For your 2026 Roundup have you thought about doing a completely new blind test? with 3 other people score your setup since each person eye are different.
A) Three People + You, one test at one time (no side by side)
B) Three screen size 100, 150, 300, 600 inch winners
C) Ultimate Three Way Champions of LED TV (TCL, AWALL) , LCD Projection (H1, G818, PJ40, Paris, JVC nz500/nz8), DLP (C1 Ultra. x1, PRO 2, HORIZON 20 PRO)
Your channel improved so much over 4 years, that LED wall is hilarious
The_Hook_Up@reddit
IMO 300in and 600in screens are not relevant to 99.99% of viewers.
Toids is doing the multiple person focus group style videos right now, I'll leave those to him.
Budget_Leopard788@reddit
now you do head to head 157 AWALL vs 150 inch JVC, Valerion . Battle of Goliaths
i want see the little h1 vs AWALL too
i think 300 inch is largest amazon offer. its that or bed sheets lols
The_Hook_Up@reddit
Here you go, I made this just for you :) https://youtu.be/Xu9vPrU5hiQ
Budget_Leopard788@reddit
thanks santa. this better than watching marvel flick, captain alr screen with big bubba jvc
bestanonever@reddit
Beautiful. That would be a screen you can be as close as 3ft away, then. Very very sharp for a LED Wall.
And there are 0.6 pixel pitch ones, too!
Intrepid_Lecture@reddit
If it's like the micro-leds I've seen in person... honestly I'm not that impressed by them. If you're comparing a \~3000-5000 mini-LED tv to a $50-200k micro-LED, the latter better be DARN GOOD.
The one in the Singapore zoo/aquarium looked damaged... basically water-like streaks where the color just sucked and was off/dead. It's nowhere near water though. Probably just island humidity and rain.
The one in the office I work at has a bunch of panels go out regularly. Just grids that are either off or one color. The color quality isn't that great and ...
The one I saw in a shopping center a while back was OK but it was also 100 feet away and I barely got a look at it.
These were all in very different environments and countries/hemispheres.
I'm not convinced on image quality or reliability to justify the huge price premium. Maybe I'm just looking at older displays or units that were bad but...
Mrke1@reddit
All based on how anal the installer is. But it sounds like you need to be painfully close to the screen.
bestanonever@reddit
It depends on the pixel pitch. The highest end LED Walls need a minimum distance of 3 or 4 ft, at least.
It's not possible to use it like a monitor just yet.
But it's getting there.
account312@reddit
No, it depends on the percentage of the pixel pitch that is emissive.
pdp10@reddit
This was a very illuminating review on the state of the art in, essentially, large modular commercial displays.
I suppose we're looking at about 10 years before one of the neighbors is likely to have one of these.
upbeatchief@reddit
But why would any one even want this in the years?
We already have 130 inch tvs on the way. With better specs ( depending on your preference) than this wall display.
The two stand out features, having multiple inputs at the same time which turn the display in 4 separate tvs. And the custom display ratio. Are not that great of features.
The multiple displays feature can be emulated by current tvs if the manufacturer ls allow software support, like hdmi 1 input displayed on the top right corner, etc.
And the custom ratio allowing little bezels can be achieved if manufactures made 16:10 tvs.
This is a great display, for now.
But in a couple of years i would think we would have even better regular tvs. Just not as big, but close enough.
reallynotnick@reddit
130” TVs are LCD and will have lower viewing angle, uniformity issues and slow pixel response. So there definitely are trade offs.
codespyder@reddit
And getting something that big through the door is a bit of a pain. Meanwhile Awall is modular
einmaldrin_alleshin@reddit
Micro LEDs are also potentially much more bright and efficient
pdp10@reddit
I have no intention of ever taking delivery of, and then moving into a building and mounting, a monolithic 130-inch (or 110-inch) display. Then, if it's damaged or needs to be returned, doing the opposite.
This modular approach in its current commercial format, requires a separate controller and "18 Cat 6 ethernet drops", and I'm all about it. They do need to work on the passive power draw of the existing product, though.
arahman81@reddit
Yeah, for that size, it's likely better to just go projector.
CapnCrackerz@reddit
Passive power draw is easy to solve by just powering off the power supply.
AttyFireWood@reddit
Modular approach is also really great if you ever get divorced because it is so easy to split the assets
moofunk@reddit
"So, did you see that movie yesterday?"
"Yeah, I saw the left half of it..."
hi_im_bored13@reddit
Those are the two standout features of this unit in particular, there are plenty of advantages to MicroLED overall, OLED-like response times, true blacks, etc. w/o the durability issues & degradation, & w/ the brightness of a MiniLED panel & gamut of the newer MicroRGB panels
account312@reddit
Eh, Samsung has had huge-format microLED displays like this for 8-10 years already. It still hasn't really translated to real consumer models.
Asleep-Card3861@reddit
It has so far proven difficult to scale, but I would say more 5 years away.
reallynotnick@reddit
The tech is really cool, no doubt but it’s obviously got a ways to go.
Insane amounts of power draw even on a full black screen at 600W, terrible input lag (and I assume no 120hz or VRR), limits the screen to 800nits peak/full field since he fears wearing it out, has to deal with some level of pixel scaling for everything besides 2.35:1 content, and price+install process still make it prohibitive.
Loose_Skill6641@reddit
600w isn't bad, some older Samsung MicroLEDs had 2000watt power consumption
reallynotnick@reddit
But is that on a full black screen? This AWALL uses more energy when you actually have a picture displayed.
pdp10@reddit
What I saw was annoying (and most likely unnecessary) power draw, amounts of input lag that make gaming a poor fit, and the power level is 800 normal with the 1200 nits being explicitly overdriven.
If you compare it to a high-end OLED gaming monitor, then yes, it loses on all metrics except its raison d'etre.
KARMAAACS@reddit
A lot of the power draw issue can be fixed by TV manufacturers, they will simply have one control board with an SOC that basically runs all the modular panels and scales everything on it's own when MicroLED does come to the TV market. They can do that sort of thing today, let alone when MicroLED reduces in cost to manufacture and is ready for TVs. That would also fix the input lag issues since like any other TV it will just scale the content correctly and not have to bother with the latency of scaling each panel individually and then processing and linking it all together to make a correct looking picture from multiple control boards. In the end, AWALL is basically just using off the shelf parts from commercial displays to offer people a "TV", which is nice I suppose if you're a high roller or rich guy, you basically get early access to a janky setup with amazing picture quality.
Kontrolgaming@reddit
get yours today.. only $15k probably
Loose_Skill6641@reddit
lol try $150k buddy
Advanced-Blackberry@reddit
50k+. If it Was 15 I’d buy one yesterday
DutchieTalking@reddit
15k. Lol. You wish.
Loose_Skill6641@reddit
Lame product, can't have a TV made up of smaller TVs not practical at all for mass production
Advanced-Blackberry@reddit
I’d seriously consider a MicroLED wall to replace my JVC projector. I have a 130” 21:9 screen and it’s amazing but requires blackout curtains. Having something I can watch during the day would be killer. I can’t watch sports on my projector because I don’t want to do that in the pitch dark.
If they fix input lag, get a little better pixel pitch, and get the price below 20k I’d seriously consider it. 129” 0.9 is 36k right now.
A 130” TV isn’t going to fit down my steps. The logistics of a huge TV makes it a nonstarter for a lot of people. I don’t know anyone that could fit that down their stairs. Modular is the way to go for large screens.
Sylanthra@reddit
I don't know, for 50k, I expect things to work out the box and the company to do the installation and setup for you. Also the lack of normal TV functions sees like a big red flag that this isn't really a consumer product. I guess if you can afford it, you can afford to fix all the side issues as well, but this still doesn't seem like a product geared toward consumers regardless of budget.
Advanced-Blackberry@reddit
They will install it for you if you pay them to
pdp10@reddit
It's sold through Best Buy, so I wouldn't call it an industrial product.
It's a display, not a TV. Some people pay more for that.
crazy_goat@reddit
Lost me at price and resolution
Gippy_@reddit
Modular TVs like this will eventually be the future once costs come down. We've seen it with IKEA furniture where everything is compact and needs to be assembled.
The reviewer makes a great point about panels being replaceable: if you see a dead pixel, or if a kid throws a toy at the TV, you can just replace the damaged section and not the whole TV.
Hugogs10@reddit
I don't think people are being cheap furniture because they prefer it. They just can't afford anything else.
Mrke1@reddit
Electronics over $100, sold in Cali, are required to have replacement parts for a minimum of 7 years. That law pretty much sets the standard for companies since it's such a large population.
reallynotnick@reddit
I feel like replacements panels are an oversold feature, in a rapidly moving space how long is a manufacturer going to make the same panels? I feel like you have to buy a few up front to have on hand or something. That or you have to find someone who is parting out their own old panels.
Gippy_@reddit
Current TV warranty service beyond 1 year is terrible anyway. Extended warranty plans are typically third-party, and they usually end up offering a "fair value" replacement model that factors in deprecation, or they'll find any reason to reject your claim outright. r/asurion is full of complaints.
Given how terrible warranty service is nowadays, buying an extra 2-3 panels for insurance at the time of purchase doesn't seem like a bad idea.
Eastern-Vegetable780@reddit
Input lag and baseline power draw are insane. The only good news is that pricing seems to be descending - of course, until all hell breaks loose between China and Taiwan in a few years.
diemitchell@reddit
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