Uh...well that would explain why they're offering $1,000 to go 100 miles.

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The yard is at capacity, so no trailers are allowed in until a trailer leaves the yard. Currently, the first 5 in line have trailers followed by 2 bobtails. The rest of the line is 10 with trailers and 8 bobtails. The ones with trailers will likely sit and wait because they can't just keep the trailer. The bobtails will likely all wait until their scheduled departure time, then cancel and get a TONU. Their systems got all screwed up by the snow, and the sites were closed or partially closed, so they'd allow drivers to drop their trailers, but no one was unloading anything or loading outbound trailers. Yesterday, I got $1,900 for 2 actual loads (280 miles), and 4 TONUs ($225 each) for the imaginary loads. If the site prioritized getting the bobtails in to make space, the trucks they're booking to clear the yard would be able to help fix the problem. Instead, they're just going to let it all just play out as a headache that helps no one.

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Q7017@reddit

What does TONU stand for?

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Ornery_Ads@reddit (OP)

Truck Ordered Not Used It's when they booked a truck, but then canceled last minute. With Amazon, it's any time they cancel within 2 hours of the pickup (not if the driver/carrier cancels)

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Positive-Gur3575@reddit

That’s funny, Amazon (any site) has to cancel a load no less than 8 hours before pick up in order to not be penalized by corporate.

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Kiklanisune@reddit

I knew amazon paid tonu I had a feeling. Not that my carrier pays it to me which sucks but good to know

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Ornery_Ads@reddit (OP)

It was $125 recently, $175 last year, $225 this year. Amazon has to cancel the load within 2 hours of the Schedule Departure Date (not the SAT or SDT, but a different one entirely that you only see on the BOL). Sometimes, you have to submit a payment dispute in order to get it. AFPs don't get TONU, only Relay

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Kiklanisune@reddit

What is AFP? Im in canada. Company driver company assigns my relay to me. I've had quote a few loads canceled within 30 minutes of scheduled departure times

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Ornery_Ads@reddit (OP)

As the other guy said, AFP is Amazon Freight Partner. They are the ones that are usually driving Amazon branded trucks that are usually leased to the AFP from Amazon. Amazon also exerts a ton of control over them with dispatch, dashcams, etc. Relay is all the random trucks that you see pulling for Amazon all over. Relay also has trailer required loads, yard hostler moves, trailer provided, short term contracts, long term contracts, etc. Canada may have different Amazon contracts entirely, I genuinely do not know. If you're in an Amazon branded truck, though, I doubt your boss is getting a TONU.

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Kiklanisune@reddit

Im in a 3rd party using relay but my company manages mine i only see some relay options / basic things. I cant pick my loads or see anything important other than route and times and arriving etc. I wouldnt doubt they get tonu

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N7-Eschaton@reddit

AFP = Amazon Freight Partner These are the 3rd party carriers you see driving Amazon branded trucks but it's their company info/DOT on the side, not Amazon Logistics. They are hourly pay, that's why they don't get TONU.

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lazy-dude@reddit

Thank you for explaining it rather than be an asshole and saying, “go look it up lol.”

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SamuraiJono@reddit

Ask your mom, I explained this all to her in bed last night heyoooooo

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ratshack@reddit

*heyoooo*

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Ornery_Ads@reddit (OP)

But thats not the lazy dude way. I can infringe on your name

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lazy-dude@reddit

Take my name with a grain of salt. In the oil and gas industry, we “always” have hours to drive.

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United_News3779@reddit

I work in Alberta in the oilfield under provincial HoS rules. 13hr drive time in a 15hr day, 105hr/week. The regulation/legislation that puts a stop to the fun isn't an HoS one, it's a provincial labor standard that says you can work 24 consecutive days and are required to take 4 consecutive days off. Unless you apply for a waiver lol

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HowlingWolven@reddit

A buck 5 in 7 is crazy.

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United_News3779@reddit

It's a bagdrive for sure lol But I've made $48k in 122 days of a 132 day season, as an hourly employee while hauling logs, and that was 9yrs ago. I'm delivering to drilling rigs now, at a slightly mellower pace, and still making good money on a 21/7 rotation.

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Noturwrstnitemare@reddit

Per chance, sir, do you have the info on such matters?

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United_News3779@reddit

I'm not sure what you're asking?

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Jeep2king@reddit

I stopped doing amazon because for the longest time theyd fucking cancel but not tell you til you were already at the gate. In the dock. Only to find out they canceled it hours beforehand. But the thought never occurred to them to call the dispatch or broker or the driver to tell them not to bother showing up. Got sick of it. What a utter waste of time and fuel. Lol. I had a joke with one dispatcher years ago. That id bet him 100$ theyd cancel the load but wouldnt call anyone until after i got there. He agreed. Lo and behokd. Canceled. Out of the 30 loads i have tried doing with amazon. Only 2 ever left their warehouse ....

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Q7017@reddit

Thanks!

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Rollerriz@reddit

We used to be able to get bobtails in to help alleviate gridlock but Amazon is a non stop safety rule making machine. It’s annoying

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Ornery_Ads@reddit (OP)

I couldn't see any 3rd party trucks in the yard at all, and no one was moving. 6 of the 10 bobtails turned around and left the line. Someone came out and had 2 of the remaing bobtails go in the exit lane. Suddenly, the line started crawling forward when they pulled out. Then 2 trucks went in, dropped their trailer, pulled out, and...no movement again. Behind me are 16 bobtails.

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spyder7723@reddit

Get away from spot market garbage and that's just a standard rate. It's just over over our local daily minimum on loads under 100 miles.

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Ornery_Ads@reddit (OP)

Honest question, why would anyone call you? There are plenty of trucking companies that would happily do PO drop and hook 100 mile loads for half of that rate. Hell, I could call a wrecker and it would be less than $1,000 (short of this unusual situation at the gate).

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spyder7723@reddit

>Hell, I could call a wrecker and it would be less than $1,000 (short of this unusual situation at the gate). When was the last time you called a wrecker? You can't get a loaded tractor trailer towed across the street for less than a grand. >Honest question, why would anyone call you? Because they don't want to absorb the cost of having to pay a crane crew on site while wondering where the truck is. Cranes cost far more than a reliable carrier. They also don't want to absorb the cost of their product getting damaged by an unreliable carrier and shutting the project down while it gets returned and fixed. I did two loads last week that came here on an airplane from Germany. The load values were just over 20 million dollars. If my driver didn't secure it perfectly it would be damaged and have to be flown all the way back to Germany for repairs. That would shut the plant down for a couple weeks, if not a month. They pay me cause they trust me not to cost them a hell of a lot more money.

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Ornery_Ads@reddit (OP)

> When was the last time you called a wrecker? Over the summer, a driver went a little off a driveway (residential water deliveries) and needed to get pulled back to asphalt. > You can't get a loaded tractor trailer towed across the street for less than a grand. What about drag an empty, but monstrously heavy tanker to the asphalt? 2 hours @ $150/hr for a heavy wrecker. > Because they don't want to absorb the cost of having to pay a crane crew on site while wondering where the truck is. So how does that have anything to do with a po drop and hook job that doesn't really have any set time and takes under 2 hours (normally)? It sounds like they're buying you for a dayrate rather than a quick little job. > The load values were just over 20 million dollars. Do you not think that getting those loads involves a lot more than just picking up a contract customer? The insurance is much higher, the equipment needs to be better, the drivers need to be top notch, and the shipper needs to really trust you. Most people in this industry fell into it as a career of last resort. A few felonies, some time in jail, kicked out of college, and an energy drink addiction...voila, truck driver. I do have a contract customer, but I have a new employee running it, so I'm grabbing spot freight to fill in the gap. I think that I had a really good day yesterday, but let me know what you think of it/how you would charge. Bobtail 12 miles, sit for 45 minutes, $225 TONU. Book another load from the same site, drive 136 miles, drop and hook, drive 46 miles, drop, $1,100. Book a load from the same site, wait 1 hour, $225 TONU. Book another load from the same site, its ready, hook and go to the same place I started the day, but with no additional stops, 108 miles $813. Book a load from the same site, wait 45 minutes, $225 TONU. Book another load from the same site, wait an additional 45 minutes, $225 TONU. Bobtail 12 miles home. All in, $2,800, 214 miles, and about 12 hours.

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arshv70@reddit

I plow this amazon. The yard manager said she wont let anyone in till the snow was removed but that was obviously not true because yall would have been there till this morning around 4am. I think the power got to her head, looked like a supervisor was having a word with her before traffic started flowing

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heyleggomyeggoman@reddit

Snow piles and the snow ice removal process are also hindering access to the yard. Unfortunately, the piles from this weather event are not melting at all with lots of concrete hard ice in the mix.

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blowthatglass@reddit

Explain for a layman please?

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InvestigatorBroad114@reddit

Hell I’d take it

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Top-Respond-3744@reddit

Well, it’s $250 per day.

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Metaltom1970@reddit

This gives me anxiety, fortunately Amazon is a fairly rare load with my company

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Objective_Cap_9771@reddit

I usually sleep there or the Popeyes up the street

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Objective_Cap_9771@reddit

Coneticutt

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BubblySmell4079@reddit

I don't know what's worse in the photo ! The line to get into Amazon or the terrible "Amazon experience" at the gates.

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DriftingOnWater@reddit

Line.

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TripleTrucker@reddit

The first 99 ½ miles were ok

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richardfitserwell@reddit

Hey, that’s north haven

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yourtruckdrivah@reddit

So they are paying to move emptys?

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yeaitsslo@reddit

North haven?

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Classic-Set9902@reddit

Is this New Haven, CT?

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Ornery_Ads@reddit (OP)

BDL3 (North Haven, CT)

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BubblySmell4079@reddit

Good call !! Looks exactly like North Haven !!

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ID_Poobaru@reddit

I feel bad for the TOM guys there dealing with yard gridlock. Shit sucks to deal with

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Ornery_Ads@reddit (OP)

I couldn't see any 3rd party trucks in the yard at all, and no one was moving. 6 of the 10 bobtails turned around and left the line. Someone came out and had 2 of the remaing bobtails go in the exit lane. Suddenly, the line started crawling forward when they pulled out. Then 2 trucks went in, dropped their trailer, pulled out, and...no movement again. Behind me are 16 bobtails.

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SeaRow556@reddit

Those 8 bt should have a right of way lane so they can pull their trailer out. This is ridiculous

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