There must be a sizeable demand for estates in China. MG has been building estates for quite a while now. Other manufacturers that offer estates, off the top of my head, are BYD, Nio, and Zeekr, which is another Geely's subsidiary.
Aerodynamically yes, but from a utility perspective, no. There’s a number of times I wasn’t able to fit something in my V60 because there wasn’t enough space height-wise in the cargo area.
Statements like this really underestimate how frequently the average American needs to simultaneously transport a dishwasher, two children, three large dogs, a pallet of Doritos, a mother in law, my wife's boyfriend, and a crate of Mk 153 Shoulder-Launched Multipurpose Assault Weapons.
Online, you will always see people say things like "just rent a truck for the two or three times a year you need one" and it's one of those things that sounds like it makes sense (to some people at least) until you experience it.
Recently I was trying to do something on the outside of my house and my ladder wasn't quite tall enough. I was about to call my dad and ask if he had a taller one I could borrow and then I realized I would need to measure to see if it would fit in my car. If it didn't, I would probably ask my uncle if I could borrow his truck.
And then I thought about what the internet always says -- just rent a truck for those times! And I realized how absurd it would be to rent a truck to borrow a ladder from someone. And probably have to rent it again to take it back. It would make more sense to buy one from Amazon and have it delivered to my house.
Anyway, to your point, little things like this happen enough that at some point you just say "man it'd be nice if I had a Maverick to carry things from time to time."
> "man it'd be nice if I had a Maverick to carry things from time to time."
are you suggesting that you would rather commit to a monthly car payment to save yourself the trouble of solving a problem that would take... what, a beach towel and some twine to get past?
No I'm saying these things pop up from time to time and then when it comes time to actually buy a new vehicle, it makes sense that people remember all these things and talk themselves into a truck.
You say that, but I've moved furniture in my S80. It's not perfect, but with a wagon body, the old V70 and V60s had so much space.
The later V90/V60 lost that with the smaller openings
Their newer cars in general seem to have less cargo space. I took a look at the EX30 out of curiosity, but it's an inch taller than my C30 and offers less cargo space(15.3/33.4 with seats down in the C30 vs 12.4/27.8 in the EX30). I guess the battery and thickness of modern safety features make a substantial difference.
A taller wagon would still make more sense than a full-size SUV that is a foot off a ground meaning it must be even taller to accommodate taller items, no?
Crossovers and SUVs are typically taller and boxier than wagons, which have a lower roofline. There’s a reason why most of them do not look like a wagon when lowered.
Yes; my point is in a world where car manufacturers didn't sell this outdoorsy fantasy to consumers 40 years ago, wouldn't the logical solution to needing more cargo space be to raise the roofline, not the undercarriage?
Yup, the solutions already existed, but people want to look cool and buying a car is an inherently emotional decision, which is why we have people insisting that to carry more stuff the car must be higher off the ground🤦♂️
The center of gravity is now shifted up the same distance as the car is raised, resulting in worsened handling and making the car easier to roll, driver visibility of what is in front of them decreases (a staggering number of kids are killed by their parents in their own driveways in frontovers), impacts are now directed at the abdomen instead of the legs, it is harder for everyone else with a shorter car to see, higher headlights which blind people driving an un-raised car, the list goes on.
If you think it's worth accepting these downsides so your bottom lip doesn't scrape if you turn into a Walmart parking lot too quickly, to each their own
oh, you're one of those.
i know, "literally no one has ever gone off-pavement in an suv", and "even if they did, a countach would have been just as good", and all that, but - may surprise you to learn - there are plenty of actual honest-to-god sportsmen in the world who literally go off-road while hauling a bunch of stuff. hard to swallow, i know. even worse, the "fantasy" existed as a reality for many far longer than 40 years ago!
I know many people who off-road in SUVS. At the same time, I know 99% of them will be pavement princesses and do nothing except be commuters and carry groceries.
I *loath* putting the kayaks on the roof of my Yukon. I have to climb onto the roof and have my wife pass them up to me. On our XC70 it’s an easy one person job.
It was a big selling point for me for my generation of Outback, then the new 2026 Outback became 2 inches taller and got rid of the low-profile, integrated rack.
If Volvo really does come through with an electric wagon in a couple of years they're basically going to be my only option lol
To quote Top Gear (I think Hammond specifically): If you have dogs, you should own a wagon.
The difference between getting my large dog into my wife's V60 and my i3S is already massive, and it's just a couple inches higher than the V60. I couldn't imagine loading them into an SUV.
There is literally a few inches (maybe) of ground clearance and a little more upright seating position in most modern CUVs compared to more traditional estates/wagons. I will always take a little more upright/a little higher off the ground in my everyday-mobile. It’s just more comfortable and more versatile with zero functional drawbacks.
I grew up with 3 different wagons for our family cars. As an adult I’ve owned a Volvo and a bmw wagon. I will buy the first decent EV wagon than mass it to the US market! I know I’m not in the majority, but I dislike SUVs.
If BMW brings the m340i wagon to the US, I *will* put my money where my mouth is and get one as my next car. I’m glad things like the M5 touring an RS6 avant are available in the states, but those are way out of my budget.
I'm a short guy (5'4"/162cm) and have a Kayak so if I had an SUV it'd be a huge pain in the ass getting on and off the car. I'd love wagons to be more popular.
Even if that’s true, they would still make it expensive. They probably only look M5 Touring and RS6 Avant customers because they know normal car buyers not going to buy wagon.
Aerodynamically yes, but from a utility perspective, no. There’s a number of times I wasn’t able to fit something in my V60 because there wasn’t enough space height-wise in the cargo area.
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