It's honestly hilarious watching the Trumpers try to justify this. It's one of the most open-and-shut cases of murder by an American cop/fed ever caught on film. It's arguably even worse than Floyd cuz this guy hadn't committed a crime (that we know of) or resisted arrest.
Yet Trump is so egomaniacal that he's unwilling to give an inch to his opponents so now his supporters have to claim water isn't wet. It's rly entertaining ngl
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Guy was disarmed. This was murder, no different than any other regimes performing executions in the middle of the street
Magatatds would probably reframe the shooting as "interfering with ICE" and since they support deportations, they thus relieve their cognitive dissonance.
I read an article on this guy. He was an ICU nurse for the VA hospital who was a Boy Scout and sang for his school’s choir. He had no criminal history beyond some speeding tickets. And they’re saying he’s a domestic terrorist.
Actually insane rhetoric.
Who he was in the rest of his life is completely fucking irrelevant, because the guys who killed him didn’t know any of that. The important part is that they killed an American for the crimes of filming them and helping a woman to her feet.
They tear-gassed him, dogpiled onto him, took away his holstered, legal weapon, and then shot him multiple times. One of them then clapped. If you’re an American and this doesn’t make you very, very worried for our future, I don’t know what to say to you.
Look at the images. Watch the video. Decide for yourself.
seemed more like for the crime of getting in their face, rioting, refusing lawful orders, interfering, trying to push his agenda by intimidation, and all while armed.
looked like in the video he kept putting his hand on his waistband. not sure where the gun was, when you guys cry wolf with the obvious bad guy every time, even if this guy were actually good and doing nothing wrong, most people wouldn't even bother watching the video because the evidence has no effect on the lefts opinion. they'll claim Renee Good did nothing wrong whatsoever and make shit up about her just dropping her kid off
you can't even defend your own side but somehow expect people to see things your way?
Keep it up loser. you guys won't have political relevance again for the next decade.
your politicians don't really leave you a lot of room to argue though 😆
yep sounds like a out the extent of your argument.
Your entire ideology is just based on degeneracy. at least we don't have to worry about you losers reproducing 😂
It was holstered and the guy never touched it. Try again.
Even given the extremely generous opinion that maybe he was interfering, being pinned down and executed with ten shots to the face is not the punishment. It's at minimum for excessive force. Riots were held for George Floyd who died in a similar manner just without holes to the head.
Oh, how we tend to forget the details.
> helping a woman to her feet.
In the video he actually placed himself between the two women the ICE agent was intent on continuing to rough up some more after shoving one and shoving another to the ground. That's what caused the agent to really chimp out, mace him and grab him, and the rest piled on in an insane murderous dogpile of rage. You don't get between a sociopath and the puppy he wants to kick some more.
PLEASE put me on jury duty for this one ya'll. If charges are ever filed at all, and I am SHOCKED I just had to type that.
Vlad, Xi, Kim, MBS, and various African murder-dictators are busting a gut laughing at us right now, and inviting Trump for some golf and hookers because he's a true bro to them now.
This is the most humiliating day for America. Congratulations MAGAs you did this.
Yeah, these types of greentexts are basically why do people with different worldviews see the world differently? Like it's some sort of mystery or gotcha.
The gun meme sub keep going on that somehow a gun went off accidentally. The guy was carrying a P320 which so have a safety issue but reality is ICE screwed up.
Pol got Donald elected twice and now they have the audacity to complain about his enshittification of the nation and conservative values? (jk, "conservative values" is an oxymoron)
> pol got Donald elected twice
This is why we need to end vote by mail. Not because of voter fraud, but because sweaty ultra-right basement virgins will never leave their goon caves *twice*, once to register and again to vote.
...and thus 'twas democracy saved
It's actually somewhat pluralistic. Obviously it's mostly right wingers but there's still plenty of whiny libs, and the conservatives are split into factions, e.g. hardcore antisemites who hate Trump vs. moderate antisemites who can forgive his pro-Israel policy.
Rly the only thing that everyone there agrees on is that they're not fond of India
Read it again.
He said /pol/ will never be *their* conservative echo chamber, and it won't. It's not geocentric enough, and that MAGA flavor of conservativism is offputing to anyone who isn't an inbred American conservative.
I mean, there is a tiny sliver of "your actions have consequences" in this tragedy. But of course only a tiny, tiny one.
So that chap wanted to protest the actions of ICE. Fair enough, what they are doing is at least highly questionable. And protesting is one's constitutionally protected right. All good on that account.
He also knew that ICE troopers tend to be a bunch of poorly trained and poorly led trigger happy neanderthals. After all, *them being like that was very likely the reason he went out and protested in the first place.*
Which makes his decision *to carry a firearm on his person while actively protesting the actions of ICE* a bit... unwise, to put it mildly.
Never mind that the victim legally possessed that firearm, and that he was legally allowed to carry it. If you foresee the possibility of an altercation with goons like that, it would seem a lot wiser to do so unarmed. Especially in a place like the U.S., with its insanely trigger happy gun culture.
Not that this makes the murder of the protester less of a murder, mind you. Those ICE guys executed someone who got on their nerves. That must not happen, and must have consequences for those who pulled the trigger. But IMHO there is a tiny, tiny bit of Darwin award in all this as well.
I mean, knowing how trigger happy and poorly trained ice is probably just makes someone want to carry a gun more, who knows when they’d just decide to do some random bullshit to you just because they legally can, and with full immunity now.
As someone who got reasonably good gun training in the army, including self defence training with handguns, I would strongly argue against this point. Carrying a gun on you only makes you safer in a very narrow set of circumstances, and only if you enter that situation mentally prepared and ready to act. In most others circumstances, having a gun on you demonstrably makes you *less* safe.
Applied to the case of encountering ICE, what good would being armed do you? There are many of them, and they have body armour. And some of them even might know how to shoot properly. You cannot win, all that you can do by pulling a gun (which, to be clear, the bloke who got murdered did not do - he just had a gun on him) is to give them an excuse to frag you.
I mean the thing your forgetting is that we outnumber them 10 or 20 to one all it takes is half the people there to bring a gun and I would be willing to bet a million bucks ICE probably just leaves the area or they are on their best behavior.
I’m not saying to pull guns on ICE, but don’t you see how someone, especially rednecks around where I live (which contrary to popular belief do NOT like cops, we laugh at people with blue lives matter flags on their trucks), would probably want to carry their gun with them knowing that some power hungry asshole can, at any time, just shoot them.
They gave a bunch of humans with body armor and guns authority to kill without legal consequence, and you think people protesting them won’t bring SOME sort of defense for themselves? That’s crazy talk.
Renee Good didn't have a gun on her.
There's a good piece on the NYT last evening. We try to find patterns in state terror. "It's the gun". "It's because she was gay". "It's because he shouted." But there is no actual underlying pattern. You're trying to find an explanation where none exists. That he had a gun is by far a mere coincidence under state terror.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/24/opinion/state-terror-has-arrived.html
Idk if they have shill pieces bc I usually don't read their articles, but they can lick my taint for putting a subscription wall up on the very few occasions I have tried to read their articles.
Maybe it is pathetic from a U.S. viewpoint. In the rest of the world, we don't carry guns everywhere, because we know that guns being present *tends to make things worse, not better, in the vast majority of all face to face conflict scenarios*.
All the worse that you are seemingly defending their insane gun "culture", then. In a civilised society, having a gun on you needs to be a rare exception, reserved for cases where someone has a good reason for it. And even then, when carrying a gun caution needs to be exercised when getting oneself into an altercation with an armed group that you know to be violent, poorly trained, and badly led. Sometimes backing down is the wiser option, even if you know that the others you are backing down from are a waste of protein.
I'm of the same opinion as you - this guy was murdered, and the killing is 100% on the ICE agents that fired the shots.
He would almost certainly be still alive if he did not have a gun on him which served no conceivable useful purpose under the circumstances, though. That is the point I am trying to make here, not that the ICE is in any way not at fault here.
Yes, I am. And I think a tiny bit of victim blaming is in order here. Just a tiny bit, but he did actively contribute to making a fucked up situation that should never having gotten this bad even worse by bringing that gun along.
Just because he made this small misjudgement of course does not mean that the ICE was in any way whatsoever justified in killing him. A small mistake must never lead to you getting shot like this. Not in a civilised country. And the cretins who shot him need to face the music for this, full force.
But the fact remains, if he had not had a gun on him that day, he would almost certainly still be alive. Ignoring this does not help in avoiding shit like this in the future.
This is the bit I strongly doubt. Mix poorly trained ICE officers with a scenario where someone shouts "he has a gun", and general chaos (everyone jumping the victim at once, in what can hardly be described as a coordinated police action), and the idiot who fired first might not even have noticed that one of the other ICE guys had already gotten hold of the gun. In fact, having looked at the videos, I strongly suspect that was the case, the ICE guy who took the gun hightails, but it does not look like he properly informs the others that he actually has it. Police teamwork, what is that? Pure chaos, instead.
I still maintain this would not have escalated as badly if there had not been a gun on him in the first place. The victim would likely still have been arrested and possibly beaten up (both outcomes also unacceptable, but at least not fatal), but he would almost certainly not have been shot.
“Just get beaten and arrested that way they don’t just kill you immediately” is essentially what your saying. Fuck that man I wouldn’t be surprised if the next person just draws and dumps their mag.
Victim blaming somebody who did nothing wrong and was well within his rights for everything he did is wild my guy. I get your ‘point’, but when a secret masked police is killing peoole on the streets with impunity is *exactly* when you should be using the second amendment right to be armed. They should fear the consequences of their actions including citizens standing up to their unjustified actions, but clearly they were emboldened after Jonathan Ross got off without so much as a slap on the wrist, and if they don’t punish these people it will only get worse.
I agree with you there: that is exactly what the second amendment is intended for. But you need to do it properly, for that to work. And in particular, you need large groups of people, with a minimum amount of coordination.
Say, you organise a network of local people with a gun license. A Facebook group, or something. Have a reasonable manifesto and course of action. Like
*"We will show up at your ICE actions. We will film you. We will not hinder you (interfering with federal officers would be illegal), but we will be standing there the entire time and filming you all the way.*
*And all of us will be armed. Legally armed. And if you try to do to us what you did to that poor bugger the other day, we will defend ourselves. And if you are indeed stupid enough to use excessive force again, you will notice that there are more of us than you. And that we likely have better shooting skills as well. So take care not to overstep in the future, dear ICE. Not even a tiny bit."*
**This** would have a chance of making a difference. Not one single bloke showing up with a gun under his jacket, and getting in harms way for his trouble. 10-20 guys with guns, watching quietly, and ICE would likely be on their best behaviour.
I'm not even sure of that to be honest. Watching the footage, the first shot appears to be a negligent discharge by ICE guy standing directly at his feet as he was disarmed. That ND is what seems to cause the rest of the guys to magdump him, seeing as how they didn't actually see a gun nor could they find it on the body because he was already disarmed before it all went down.
it's certainly on them, but if I street park my mercedes in downtown chicago and leave the key inside I would probably not be surprised when its stolen
A society which is no longer "surprised" when government agents gun them down without any crime preceding it is on borrowed time. That's pretty much the most basic requirement for a functional government.
There are lots of european countries with stron gun culture. Its good to keep you safe and keep you a non neglibel threat. Americans are just pussies, any sane country would have started gunning down ICE Agents at this point.
Backing down is literally the exact way the brownshirts muscled their way into german politics and started WW2, same in Italy, or China.
Not everyone was a nazi in nazi germany. But most people backed down because they didnt wanna bother/didnt care/were scared/etc.
You are genuinly just a political cuck. Rethink your life
He broke no laws, and was expressing his first and second amendment rights. In the process of trying to defend a woman who was being beaten by government agents, and was murdered.
Stop trying to reword it to make this all seem reasonable, because it's not.
I saw this same ‘*but he shouldn’t have had his gun in public’ sentiment on the conservative sub said by people with a flair of ‘*2A Conservative*’ and was floored. These are the same groups that shriek about how the 2A is always never to be touched after school shootings and that open carry assault rifles to Chipotle.
In an even more direct comparison, Kyle Rittenhouse took an assault rifle he shouldn’t have even had at a protest across a state line and killed two people — and was found innocent. Yet Pretti who had a pistol on him that he never even touched “*should have known better*” and deserved to die? Even for conservatives this is some impressive hypocrisy and backbending to justify this.
As I wrote in another comment, this is not about the right to bear arms. This is about the wisdom to know when to do it - and when not. Bringing a gun to any sort of conflict situation almost invariably escalates it, in a lot of cases substantially so. So even if you have the right to bear arms, you should always think twice whether it is wise to do it under the circumstances you will be facing.
And in a lot of cases, unless your goal is escalation, the answer to this is "no". That is the point I wanted to make: a point which I think both sides of the U.S. societal divide ought to take a bit more notice of. Constitutional rights are one thing, but prudent exercise of said rights is not always black and white.
Oh it’s abundantly clear what you’re saying. I and others just clearly disagree, as Pretti represents everything America even came over to be founded for. He exercised his right to free speech, exercised his right to peacefully protest, and exercised his right to bear arms against by all accounts government tyranny with no accountability.
I agree with you that Pretti didn’t have to die, but I wholeheartedly disagree that any blame at all lies on Pretti. Again, I *know what you’re saying* in that if didn’t have his gun then the gravy seals wouldn’t have been spooked, but that’s fully on them as they know the populace they’re policing is American and that’s an American right. Saying Pretti shouldn’t have been using his rights is a slippery slope though, especially when it’s being parroted by the federal government that grants and should be protecting those rights.
You make good points, and I love the expression "gravy seals" - had not heard that one before. :)
A lot of it boils down to using such a poorly trained force (ICE) for what turns out to be quite intense conflict situations. And I agree with you that properly trained police stateside should be able to handle situations where they encounter someone who is legally bearing arms, and exercising their rights as citizens. But how much training do these guys get? 42 days? That is a joke, after 42 days European police cadets aren't even allowed on the streets in uniform - *unarmed*.
As for the public relations performance of your current government in this matter, given that I am from Europe, you can probably imagine what I think about that. \^\^
"The evil goons who love to shoot people, love to shoot people. So the best thing to do is go unprotected so you are dependant on their whims"
"What, they also executed a mom in her car? Well why do you even have a car? Actually, why not give up on anything that anyone might see as a threat, yknow, for your safety"
You sound like a stalin-era bureaucrat, stop smoking crack
>So the best thing to do is go unprotected so you are dependant on their whims
But the thing is... with a few very rare exceptions, *you are not protected from anything if you are carrying a gun*. Instead, you are automatically and massively upping the ante in terms of confrontation, simply by that thing being there.
It's really weird how U.S. liberals, who are normally not at all fond of U.S. gun culture, now seem to be scrambling to defend it. When that protester would very likely be still alive if he had not been carrying a gun which served no useful purpose, but instead escalated everything, on that fateful day.
And as I've said before, with properly trained law enforcement, him carrying a gun of course should never have led to him being shot. If you watch the videos, it's really tragic how badly trained these ICE goons are.
Who were they deporting here? They were there to bust up a protest, not deport anyone.
The woman he was defending also wasn't an illegal.
Why are you talking about illegals?
It is insane how effective fox news brainwashing is for ghouls to regurgitate these absolutely batshit insane claims.
They have no sense of scale, throwing "multi billions" around as if a measily immigrant ever sees more than a couple Ks. On top of that, 2s of thinking points out that it doesn't make sense in the first place. Illegal means undocumented. Undocumented means they don't pay taxes to begin with. No taxes means they can't commit fraud.
Lastly it is all just blatant and obvious lies. The victims were not obstructing. ICE arent cops. And ICE has been deporting citizens or documented (legal) immigrants.
Go take a hike and fall off a cliff or something, you maganut.
Damn dude I know your slow but when they arrested the right leader of that tax fraud thing it was a fuckin white woman running it. I don’t think her pasty ass is illegal lmao probably just employed the Somalis because they were cheap.
And how much fraud were they shown to engage in? None? Shocker that you’ll swallow any conservative fake news load that’s blown in your face, you pathetic conservative dick suck
The fraud was a child care scheme. It was mostly citizens and legal immigrants, but a lot of them were brown so we have to terrorize everyone in Minnesota a shade darker than 🧑🏼. Sorry I don't make the rules.
because they have no consistent world view beyond being white and 'their guy'. they dont care about anything else. the coming days will expose how malleable they are on 2A rights now that THEIR GUY has said anyone carrying a gun is a violent criminal.
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