Pilots who have lost their medical, what do you do now?
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Real question. For the pilots who have lost their medical and their flying careers. What do you guys do now for work?
MyPilotInterview@reddit
I only had my PPL when I couldn’t get my medical anymore - ended up in pilot recruiting, got laid off and now coach pilots how to interview.
AnotherSky1@reddit
How do you guys charge for the interview prep? Is it by hours?
ShotAstronaut6895@reddit
I'll throw this out there for any pilots who might be in a "What CAN I do?" position.
I left 121 for the nuclear field. As a pilot, you're a shoe-in for Nuclear Operations.
Nuke are run like aircraft that never leave the ground. It's like constantly being in the sim. lol
Assistant unit operators, Reactor Operators and Senior Reactor Operators all make very comparable money and work a very similar shift to airline gigs, with better QOL, IMO.
Embarrassed_Tap_3620@reddit
What qualifications are required to get in? Thx
shadeland@reddit
Fun fact: A few miles away from me in Portland, Oregon, there's a non-power generating nuclear reactor at at Reed (where Steve Jobs famously learned calligraphy).
I did a tour once. Most operators are undergrads (Reed is only a college, nothing post-grad) and they're licensed by the Dept of Energy I think. Licenses are only applicable to a facility, kind of like a type rating for reactors.
Controlls are super simple, and it's just for the control rod (rods?): Up, down, drop. You control the power output by raising or lower the control rode, or drop it to stop the reaction.
The blue glow is really cool, caused by Cherenkov radiation (where electrons travel through water faster than light travels through water, causing little shockwaves, like a sonic boom).
tomdarch@reddit
I lived not far from the University of Illinois reactor. Probably not the most dangerous thing on campus.
FlashySuggestion7100@reddit
I don't think it has it anymore but when I was in SUNY maritime College in the 1970s we had a subcritical nuclear reactor on campus for the Nuke science majors to play with. We also all had 30-06 rifles and seniors had swords so it wasn't probably the most dangerous thing on our campus either. And that was in the Bronx, they'd freak out and lose their minds in New York city nowadays
HabaneroEyeDropes@reddit
Do tell
ShotAstronaut6895@reddit
Pulling rods out of the core is one of the neatest thing I've ever done.
It's like a real life light saber of death.
ShotAstronaut6895@reddit
Kinda varies by sight, but in reality, nothing more than a GED.
Some sights will want "X number of years in a power plant experience" but flying jets apparently counts.
The hardest thing for my local sight is getting a union referral.
Donut@reddit
Homer?
ShotAstronaut6895@reddit
Think of Homer as a documentary.
Thigh_Enterprise24@reddit
A humble CFI here, but interesting you say these avenues have that kind of overlap. I have a hobby student who works at a nearby plant, he picked up checklists at an incredible rate and I did not have to explain ‘challenge-and-response’ whatsoever. Guess you could say it goes both ways
ShotAstronaut6895@reddit
Nuclear “checklists” make aviation checklists look like cheating. 😝
I had a student just like that, and that’s how I wound up in a nuke plant.
j-eezy94@reddit
I wouldn’t be able to stop myself from cosplaying Chernobyl
sound-of-impact@reddit
That's not great, but not a terrible idea.
Artmageddon@reddit
In an alternate reality: “Explain how airplanes fly, or I’ll have one of these techs throw you out of this nuclear reactor”
ShotAstronaut6895@reddit
The amount of inaccuracies in that show. It's like watching Top Gun as a pilot. lol
j-eezy94@reddit
I mean, yeah. But it was really fucking good lol
ShotAstronaut6895@reddit
So was Top Gun. :)
Cft789@reddit
Are there job boards for Nuclear Operations? Or certain unions that list the jobs available? Would going to school to get a degree in a similar field help at all or is getting in with the union a huge help?
ShotAstronaut6895@reddit
Getting an in with the union, IMO, would be more important than a degree in the field. At my plant, you're not getting an interview without that referral.
Any-Rhubarb2703@reddit
I 100% have undiagnosed ADHD, and finally made the gut-wrenching call to let my class 1 lapse and pursue a diagnosis (currently underway). I wasn’t actively flying, but had worked for 135s in a couple of different countries previously. I am hugely lucky to have also invested in building a decent alternative career (policy & govt work) that I actually really enjoy so while there’s a sense of losing part of my identity in the path I’ve chosen, it also feels like a necessary choice. I don’t actually want to be an airline pilot, and my hobbies and relationships don’t seem conducive to the kind of flying that I am drawn to (medevac), plus the slog of trying to land a gig in that world at the moment was taking a huge toll on my mental health. While I’m not completely certain this is the right call, I know that trying to walk in both worlds (pilot & govt) is definitely not working for me, so I feel like closing the aviation door with a diagnosis is a pretty compelling way to put an end to the eternal wondering if the grass is greener where I’m not walking. I’m just gonna tend to my own lawn, and maybe plant a couple fruit trees.
3000ghosts@reddit
what kind of gov work do you do? that’s also something i’m interested in and i’m trying to figure out some alternative options so i’m curious
i’m 17 and have a class one, but i’ve been reconsidering trying to become a pilot recently because apparently it’s pretty hard to start hrt and keep a medical
Pilot-lawyer@reddit
It’s not impossible but it is hard. Definitely need to play the system’s games. Just don’t give up!
Any-Rhubarb2703@reddit
Flick me a DM, happy to have a chat about it! I think taking some time to seriously consider alternatives before committing to the hefty cost of a CPL is a wise move.
UNSC-Swordbreaker@reddit
I would 100 percent love to talk to you about this
Any-Rhubarb2703@reddit
Happy to chat! Flick me a DM
TheForks@reddit
My SO did the same thing. She gave up a part 121 job and switched to a similar field you’re looking at. While she does miss flying, she’s also interested in her new work as well.
Any-Rhubarb2703@reddit
I’m so pleased it’s working out for her! It’s such a big decision, and the sunk cost fallacy is hard to overcome, but it’s so rewarding when you find something that clicks with how your brain works. I hope she enjoys success and fulfilment in her new work.
Meatus20@reddit
Try law school
stillherey@reddit
This is terrible. Is it gone for sure or have you been working with a hims?
happydad9@reddit
I fought to get mine back. Hassled my doc to expedite testing and procedures. My ame was a huge help. Then I got to have a special issuance for 4 years. And finally a letter in the mail telling me I was good to go.
aetherforest@reddit
may i ask what was preventing you? or should i dm you
happydad9@reddit
Central cerous Retinopathy. Unexplained cause.
aetherforest@reddit
i’m glad you could get back. i’m currently fighting to get mine too.
happydad9@reddit
Hopefully it's not insurmountable. Seems like you can get a waiver for nearly anything. Just takes time. Good luck to you.
Robi__@reddit
Aerospace engineer.. lost my medical mid-through the flight school
Screw_2FA@reddit
Following this as Santa brought me cancer for Christmas so I’m trying to figure out a back up if I’m unable to ever hold a class 1 again.
ZappBrannigansLaw@reddit
Sorry to hear that. I hope everything works out for the best for you.
Screw_2FA@reddit
I appreciate that and I must say that is one helluva username.
lctalbot@reddit
Kind of makes me wonder about your username?
I was in IT security for 30 years.
Screw_2FA@reddit
Mine was quickly made in frustration as I upgraded my phone and a 2FA that I had had to use for some FAA website bullshit caused me to lose my original username. Somehow I didn’t spend two seconds thinking of how that might go over in this sub, which is pretty much the main reason I use Reddit.
SuperN0VA3ngineer@reddit
Being a tech person first pilot second, my brain read 2-factor first 😂
___Worm__@reddit
i thought you were banging 2 flight attendants, my mistake.
Screw_2FA@reddit
Oh hell naw lol. I was an FA for a bit in the mid 2010s and doing that is basically the final boss of sticking your dick in crazy. 😂
___Worm__@reddit
thought you were living the dream!
SoyMurcielago@reddit
He makes it sound like a dream during a nightmare after
lctalbot@reddit
I get it. We had a wall of hate mail up in our office when we implemented smart cards for remote access login. 🤣🤣
ZappBrannigansLaw@reddit
Tbh, I was wondering the same. I've been in IT for 20 yrs.
Rangeexpert3@reddit
I've seen people get their class 1 back after cancer. So it isn't a completely lost cause.
mkosmo@reddit
Plenty of folks get Class 1s after cancer. Just depends on the kind of cancer, the required treatment, your recovery, and the opinions of your oncologists on your status and future.
It'd be worth linking up with an AME familiar with after-cancer medicals who can help you get the right paperwork from your doctors.
Screw_2FA@reddit
I really appreciate the resources. My PCP is a former student with oncology experience who just became an AME so he’s going to be a huge asset. I’m just going to let my current medical expire and I’ve already started collecting medical records and a bunch of other stuff that I know will be required. Prepping for the Special Issuance route and just staying positive currently. My prognosis so far is pretty good despite the initial DX so I’m thankful for that.
Burgershot621@reddit
You’re on the right track. I had a brush with cancer in 2016. Save every piece of documentation you can. I can’t tell you how you should specifically proceed. Once I had the actual diagnosis, I didn’t surrender my medical, but I stopped flying. I saved every bit of paperwork and proceeded with treatment. Once everything came back clear and I had a defined ongoing plan to monitor and mitigate recurrence, I sent everything into the FAA along with my medical and a letter explaining everything. Basically this is what happened, this is what’s happening, here’s my medical and I haven’t exercised any privileges since receiving the diagnosis. Whole process took about six months and I was on a special issuance for about 4 years. Again I can’t tell you what your situation requires but if it’s a common type of cancer and the prognosis is good, then it should be relatively straightforward. Good luck, and at times it’s going to be a pain but do exactly what the FAA wants you to do.
Screw_2FA@reddit
All of that is good to hear and I certainly hope you are free and in the clear since 2016. My medical expires in March so I’m self grounding and just prepping my mountains of paperwork. I’ve had multiple students, somehow, get put through the HIMS program so I have had a little experience dealing with the back and forth bs. I’m already approx $110k into this little aviation adventure so at this point I’m not really concerned with another $10k and waiting a year. At this point all of this stuff just becomes numbers in the ether. lol. I’ve preached to my students all of the dangers that you have to look out for when planning for an aviation career so this is part of the process sometimes unfortunately.
Burgershot621@reddit
Sure is. My experience wasn’t even the first time I lost my medical. Lost it earlier in 2010, took about 18months. So the second time I kind of knew what I was in for. Good luck with everything, hope the treatment goes well and you get back to flying as soon as you can
Screw_2FA@reddit
I appreciate that and wish you and yours all the best professionally and personally.
Ok-Selection4206@reddit
A good friend I work with found a huge lump in his armpit. Turned out to be skin cancer. They removed 17 lymph nodes and did chemo. He was gone 6 mos and back to work. Did my CA OE on the Dc9 his first student back! That was 28 years ago and he has not had a reoccurance!
No_Somewhere3288@reddit
Best of luck! I was diagnosed with Lymphoma in 2023. 6 months of chemo and a few months after that got my first class SI. It was exactly a year from diagnosis to back to flying for a living. Certainly wasn’t fun but all in all it turned out as good as it could have. Wishing you the best.
ptrickwondo84@reddit
It doesn't help your career, but if your medical was never denied/suspended and you simply let it lapse, you can fly recreationally under MOSAIC/Sport Pilot. At the very least, you can keep your stick and rudder skills active.
ItsCAPTAINSparrow@reddit
Why do we keep giving this plainly and knowingly wrong advice? If you have a condition that would prevent you from holding PPL you can't knowingly go be a sport pilot.
mkosmo@reddit
That's not true. Only a few specific new medical conditions require you to go through any specific process, notably mental health, neurological, or cardiovascular conditions.
You may not act as PIC or a required crewmember condition if you "knows or has reason to know of any medical condition that would make the person unable to operate the aircraft in a safe manner." There are plenty of medical-disqualifying conditions that don't render a crewmember unsafe, don't require a one-time SI, and are still legal under BasicMed.
ptrickwondo84@reddit
Are you referring to that reg? The reason I ask is that I cannot find your phrase "prevent you from holding PPL" or a reg that references PPL in relation to Sport Pilot medical qualification. I'm willing to stand corrected, if that's the case.
nitrogenmath@reddit
Also BasicMed is possible as long as the doctor is willing to sign off on the checklist.
Square-Membership-41@reddit
Asking honestly, have you ever found a Doc willing to sign off on Basic Med?
I haven't...
nitrogenmath@reddit
Mine did. Granted I didn't really have any significant medical history for him to be worried about.
Federal_Departure387@reddit
its all i use
Square-Membership-41@reddit
That's awesome.
I was a PP when it came out in my mid-30s, other than seasonal allergies, no meds, no health issues.
My ME said essentially I'm signing a liability form that you'll stay healthy forever. If you crash because you weren't in shape, they can sue me in 25y.
Hence the third class I carry now.
Screw_2FA@reddit
Yeah, that’s why I’m gonna let the med expire and start fresh once I’m finished with all of this. I was one of the career changers so I’m looking to move into something GA adjacent. I never did this for the “love of the game,” but if I can help others who are into GA then I can be cool with that. Not looking to pick up a $200/hr hobby lol.
kiwi_love777@reddit
Yep- my buddy beat testicular cancer and is back flying at the airline again.
GoodVersion@reddit
Hey! All the best for your treatment. Keep your head up and be strong. I am 28 and was diagnosed with Hodgkin’s lymphoma in 2023. Two months after finishing my last chemo I got my medical class 1 again - based in Europe.
Enough_Professor_741@reddit
I got porstate cancer and the AME said it was not a hindrance to a first class medical.
FlashySuggestion7100@reddit
Yeah, I have prostate cancer that went metastatic to my lungs, I've had clean checkups every 6 months for the last 3 years at MD Anderson but it's not actually curable, just theoretically in long-term remission. I went a driver's license Mosaic route to fly again.
Ok-Selection4206@reddit
I just found out last week my brother has prostate cancer they found after he broke his hip. It has moved to his back. He is doing radiation now then chemo starting in 2 weeks. You are giving me hope! 🤞🤞
Icy-Two2036@reddit
I believe Fly with Trent got cancer after getting his class date for a regional airline, recovered, and ended up continuing to fly for them so your chances are good
the_silent_redditor@reddit
Don’t have advice but I’m a flying doctor and I’m so fucking sorry dude.
West-Application-375@reddit
Do you work for RFDS? Bad ass
FedNlanders123@reddit
I hope you get well soon
ResponsibilityOld164@reddit
not much i can do but just want to say i hope you have a great easy and fast recovery and get your medical back incredibly soon
JustHarry49@reddit
I know of multiple people who have gotten their class 1 back after recovering from cancer. Don’t lose hope! I wish you well in your recovery!
Magma86@reddit
I’m a 121 pilot and first got cancer in 2015. Surgery, chemo & radiation, lost 70+ pounds and was back to work 2 months later. The key is getting a letter from either your Oncologist or Radiation Oncologist that states you’re no longer in active treatment. DM me if you’d like.
Friendly-Gur-6736@reddit
I'm an ATC, and had thyroid cancer. Outside of having to provide updates every 6 months (lines up with when I have to have check-ups with the oncologist) to the RFS, I was cleared to go back to work about 6 weeks after surgery. Only paperwork they required was the surgeon's report, pathology and the after surgery bloodwork and ultrasound.
I never received a definitive diagnosis until the pathology, so I was actually at work talking to airplanes the day before I went in for surgery. Someone else here at the facility I work at had been diagnosed with the same a few years before and they didn't incapacitate him until he was being actively treated. So ironically they let you keep working knowing you have it (at least with thyroid cancer) but you get to jump through the hoops after they've removed it. Go figure.
If you have one of the more common cancers, there's probably a not quite as daunting as you think process to getting back to flying.
hear4research@reddit
Damn dude. Really sorry to hear that. Prayers for a safe, speedy and full recovery.
Screw_2FA@reddit
I appreciate that. Thank you.
ThatLooksRight@reddit
Best wishes to you.
Screw_2FA@reddit
I certainly appreciate that. Thank you.
80KnotsV1Rotate@reddit
You can. There are hoops to go through, but I went through chemo and I’m back now. I’d definitely find a doctor or service familiar with the process ( I used AMAS but it was also free to me through our union) if you’ve got any questions I can answer don’t hesitate to reach out. You’ve got this, hoping it’s just a minor hiccup for you.
Screw_2FA@reddit
I really appreciate that. You are one of the usernames on here that Ive followed for years so that means a lot.
BabiesatemydingoNSW@reddit
Damn, very sorry to hear this. Can you still go the Basic Med route?
Screw_2FA@reddit
Yeah, assuming that I get this cleared up I haven’t seen anything to prevent me from going that route although I was only in GA to move to professional flying. Having said that if I can use the stuff I’ve learned and everything else to move into a GA adjacent role and help others through the process then I can be ok with that. Love the username, btw.
CptWugposh@reddit
Really sad to hear this. Hope you get it back asap. Obviously hugely depends on the details but I know a guy who got his back so hang in there.
ATrainDerailReturns@reddit
Depends on the cancer and how long it’s been since treatment
My cancer I had to be cured and treatment free for 5 years before it no longer mattered for medical
Mundane-Reality-7770@reddit
FUCK cancer. You got this
jskoker@reddit
I write manuals for an airline.
I technically never had a career because my ear issues kindly exposed themselves during instrument training, but still. I got my private license and I use it in my day to day way more than I ever use my actual degree.
Most of the managers I work with either lost their medicals or aged out. Those who can, do. Those who can't, ~~teach~~ work a 9-5 in middle management.
clogan1010@reddit
What kind of ear issues did you have if you don’t mind me asking? I just had to get tubes put in so just curious
Helpful_Corn-@reddit
How did you get into airline technical writing? I'm sure your license helped, but that seems like it would be extremely difficult to get into. Did you have previous writing experience?
jskoker@reddit
I kind of fell into it. A friend from college became a manager at a supplemental airline, knew I was an aviation nerd, and asked me to join. I worked there for a bit before a job opened up at a major and I made the jump.
I was terrible at writing in school, but it turns out I just wasn't writing the right things. Now I write QRH procedures, MELs, operations manuals, and checklists. Knowing aircraft systems from just being a nerd played a huge roll in where I am today.
I also do other manuals, but flight is my bread and butter.
Helpful_Corn-@reddit
Good for you, man. I ask because I don't have a good backup plan at this point, and I do have a little experience in technical writing. I wonder if that would be worth exploring.
r361k@reddit
Everyone I know that lost their medical coming from the majors is collecting LTD and spending a lot of time skiing and golfing.
ElectricFlyZapper@reddit
Fighter pilot here, lost my medical 4 years.
Right now I’m just doing a regular office job in the military. Some very high ranking officers I work for are trying to get me flying again. If not fighters then pilot training instructor or cargo planes.
I’m not as hopeful as they are. But at least I have a job as an officer in the military still. I have no idea what I’ll do when I’m out of the service, if I can’t fly.
tomdarch@reddit
The crazy thing I found out was that people can be medically OK to fly in the military, get out and then be denied for a FAA medical. Seems... off.
CaptainJackass123@reddit
That’s because when a mil jet crashes, people are like “oh no, that’s so sad”
When a commercial airliner crashes, and 100s of civilians die, instead of 2 military pilots, people freak out. People get scared of the 737, etc.
Media also pushes the commercial crashes harder, as they get more info. Military crash is usually kept under wraps for the most part.
ElectricFlyZapper@reddit
It’s a different medical process all together.
The opposite seems fairly common - can’t get a mil medical but can get an FAA.
I’m sure it’s happened where someone can’t get an FAA medical but gets a mil, but probably very uncommon.
notaircrewbro@reddit (OP)
Wow that broke my heart
Track_up@reddit
I suggest you to start talking to FAA medical doctors before leaving the military. You might not be qualify for MIL pilot medical standard, but FAA standard is far less rigorous.
tomdarch@reddit
Sometimes yes, sometimes no because of quirks of how the FAA approaches certain things. But folks with medical issues transitioning from the military to civilian flying should definitely talk with an AME.
CarminSanDiego@reddit
Everyone who’s gone to cargos from fighters (due to medical reasons) is living a significantly better life.
Pulling Gs and flying fast is overrated. Hope you get that tx to a MAF jet!
bobafeeet@reddit
Hey man, you may still be able to get your FAA medical. I know several dudes with medical retirements from the military and/or 100% VA that easily hold their FAA 1st.
Necessary_Topic_1656@reddit
had an FO who was an O-4 naval aviator, but medically discharged, was able to work to get his medical cleared up and got a FAA 1st medical special issuance, now flies at a 121 airline.
CaptKittyHawk@reddit
I've heard airline dispatch is a way to keep in aviation without flying. Or you could be a FBO ramp fueler 😅
CaptainJackass123@reddit
My airline came in clutch and gave me a ground instructor job (teaching ground school and procedures) when I lost mine in 2024.
I’m still gaining seniority. And the FAA is working with me on what they need for me to get it back.
I once heard a senior pilot (dads friend) at a legacy tell me that the reason why loss of medical insurance is so cheap for pilots, is because pilots generally fight to get it back.
At my airline, all the non medical instructors of normal age, are working on getting it back. Lots of them DUI, car crashes, etc. I’m a T2 diabetic myself. Lost all the airport weight etc.
The FAA approves almost everyone. You just have to be willing to jump through tons of hoops, and spend lots of money for your AME to get you across the finish line.
jaxin737@reddit
I’m 62, and in grad school for a MS in Audio Engineering. I’ve been a lifelong recording musician and software developer, so I’m planning to do consulting stuff. It’s not airline pilot money, but it’s fun for me, and I was nearing retirement anyway.
AgonizingGasPains@reddit
Watch "Sailing Doodles" on YT - A Pilot who lost his medical, said fuck it, bought a sailboat, filled it with beautiful girls, sails around the world and does YT for a living. (lol)
Or you could get a "regular job" in or out of aviation. Really depends on defining your skills and interests, which for many is the hard part. It's the same thing many military go through when returning to civilian life - what do you do in the civilian world if say for example, you spent the last 26 years as an artillery officer in the Army? First you break down all the skills you developed that made that role possible (organization, leadership, planning, math skills, computer literacy, etc.) and go from there.
295frank@reddit
my old school owner mostly sits online and complains about how he lost his medical
BigFlyingDog@reddit
I got my class 1 medical back after cancer. Even after a stage 4 de novo diagnosis due to an “incidental finding”. Keep copies of ALL your imaging and medical reports/records. I had to submit them, review was 4 months and nothing additional was asked for by OKC. It did take years of being NED, but that window depends on your type of cancer.
MentalMeasurement779@reddit
Got it back. Jumped through every hoop the out in front of me. Fuck the FAA Mafia. The new leadership in DC is a little better and will help you get back flying. But 10 years ago and back? Holy shit it was the old guard mafia and they suuuuuucked.
SamArch0347@reddit
I know a military flyer who lost their medical and then got out and became a nurse. It a career that allows a person to indulge in the same type of OCD/attention to detail parameters that the flying world demands. Plus you know that the quality of your work matters as peoples lives are literally in your hands.
throw_it_bags@reddit
I could word this two ways, both true:
Stroke. Unemployed after several years of different jobs.
Stroke. Switched to management, changed fields and took over a business. Business sold after 4 years, completed full time masters study in December. Currently looking for next opportunity.
When you lose your medical, how you frame the situation in your own mind makes a massive difference to how everyone handles you. It’s shit, but you’ve got the chance to do stuff you never dreamed of…
F26N55@reddit
I went and got my bachelors in aerospace engineering and now I drive trains on the northeast corridor.
HOWEVER, I managed to throw enough money at the problem and am on track to be hopefully recertified this year.
weggaan_weggaat@reddit
How does driving trains compare to flying for you?
F26N55@reddit
It’s boring
weggaan_weggaat@reddit
You drive the Acela or the ACS-64s?
Ok_Professional_5286@reddit
I lost my medical back in 2020 due to me being in therapy for a home invasion while I was held at gun point. I was being treated for PTSD/Anxiety and was on medication. The ME wanted me to stop my medication right there on the spot, but that would have done me more harm than good, so I chose to not stop. I ultimately lost my medical and was also rejected from the ATC application after completing all the other required tests.
Fast forward 6 years, I live in Sweden and I am a mass and balance engineer for a Flight Performance company
theogmichaelscott@reddit
Was doing robotics for a bit, now im a drone test pilot. Working on getting the medical back soon. Long covid grounded me for about 3 years unfortunately.
notaircrewbro@reddit (OP)
Drone test pilot? How do I get into that?
theogmichaelscott@reddit
Honestly its a very niche job that I lucked into. The 2 drone test pilot jobs ive had did favor part 61 rated pilots a lot. Especially if you have your commercial. Without that you'd need to have a degree in UAS to be considered.
notaircrewbro@reddit (OP)
Are prior RPA pilot from the Air Force considered ?
theogmichaelscott@reddit
Absolutely! Ive worked with a couple guys who did that. Obviously the bigger stuff like working on class 3 UAS and larger does require a valid medical though.
jpenn517@reddit
Working on switching to Canada.
SouthBobcat5619@reddit
Are the medical requirements significantly different?
jpenn517@reddit
Different, not necessarily better.
Silly_Rub_6304@reddit
I gave up after a busted commercial checkride and learning that it would be a massive pain to get another 3rd class. So I flew on sport pilot privileges for a while and then got BasicMed before I sold my share.
I never left my day job.
eggsandbacon69@reddit
Dispatcher here, I am not a pilot nor have I ever been. I hear that companies (like mine) like hiring former pilots as dispatchers since the flight ops xp transfers well. Major airlines (mostly) only require one year DX xp and everything else is a bonus so shouldn’t take that long to get back to pilot pay.
If you got any DX questions happy to answer them just shoot me a DM!
PokePilot@reddit
I'm going through a Part 65 dispatcher course right now (fulfilling a long time personal goal of mine) and my experience as a pilot has made it very straightforward. I haven't lost my medical and I hope I never do, but if I couldn't fly professionally anymore then dispatch is probably where I'd go next.
Pretend_Bobcat_6704@reddit
Lost that mf before I could even start 2 years ago. ADHD childhood diagnosis, and yeah i did the whole one day exam and all. I definitely have it. I do project management for waterworks infrastructure. I think what drew me to aviation was really the traveling aspect and flying big planes. I don’t think I would wanna do it now just because of the relationships I have with friends and family.
DarthStrakh@reddit
I've always found this insane because 90% of the pilots I know have something wrong with them for sure. Adhd, autism, etc. Just undiagnosed.
Fuck man I have autism and I was completely blown away learning that could effect my medical. Fortunately my psychologist was old shcppm and did everything in paper and her house burned down... There's absolutely zero record I have it anywhere.
dylanm312@reddit
Adding a data point - I got my third class special issuance for autism and it was a non issue. The childhood epilepsy was what they were focused on. Took about a year of my life and a 4-figure chunk of cash, but I got my medical a few years ago and let it lapse. Now I just fly on BasicMed.
DarthStrakh@reddit
I'm prob gonna do basic med instead of renewing. I only fly for fun, might as well protect my ass down the road.
If I win the lottery and can afford a plane that weighs too much then I'll reconsider I guess.
monkeyjuggler@reddit
Except on Reddit....
i_wanted_to_say@reddit
On the internet, everyone is autistic
monkeyjuggler@reddit
I don't think you get what I mean. There is no evidence of his autism except the post he just made on Reddit. Anecdotally he's right though. The number of undiagnosed neuro divergent pilots is wild!
tpistols@reddit
this is autism…
monkeyjuggler@reddit
This is a window licker. Clearly not a pilot.
gromm93@reddit
Well, that's one way to ensure patient confidentiality!
BobSlayder@reddit
You were never eligible for a medical. You never lost it. It's not the same thing as being a pilot and losing your career because you lost your medical.
Pretend_Bobcat_6704@reddit
You are correct. My comment isn’t really directed towards anyone specifically but for those interested in flying or aviation in general. I think it’s good to have conversations about the medical process due to it being different for everyone.
BobSlayder@reddit
Every third post on here is a conversation about the medical process. And the majority of those are ADHD related.
Pretend_Bobcat_6704@reddit
Good! Maybe some legislation will come out of it!
BobSlayder@reddit
The legislation is just fine the way it is. The FAA's job isn't to help you with your medical process. Their purpose isn't to help pilots. Their purpose is to protect the flying public FROM pilots and operators.
falconkirtaran@reddit
The legislation results in pilots in the air with a panoply of untreated medical conditions carrying cabins full of passengers. Whether you like it or not, whether you think those pilots should "just" hand in their cards, that's what is happening today.
BobSlayder@reddit
Is that so? And you make that assessment based on what? Your years of medical experience? Your time as a professional pilot? Your experience at the airlines?
falconkirtaran@reddit
If you know a lot of pilots, you know this, and it's also well documented. For example, https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/18/magazine/airline-pilot-mental-health.html among a few dozen other articles describing this. It's an open secret at this point.
BobSlayder@reddit
lol a PPL talking about "knowing a lot of pilots"
Bunslow@reddit
The AOPA survey was a good place to start, 3ish years ago they surveyed 2000 pilots and half of the responses admitted (anonymously ofc) that they lie to the FAA about their medical history, which is a federal crime by the way.
So there is objective evidence to believe that the system is completely broken to the tune of actually worsening safety rather than improving it.
Bunslow@reddit
What a horrible comment to say.
BobSlayder@reddit
The post is for pilots who have lost their careers, not for people who aren't eligible.
Pretend_Bobcat_6704@reddit
Alright I’ll bite. Did you lose your career as a pilot due to a revoked medical?
BobSlayder@reddit
I sure didn't. Even if I lost my medical today, I'd receive about $200,000/year in disability until retirement age.
Altruistic_Package25@reddit
Glad you found your path. How did you lose it from ADHD? The FAA is okay if you don’t make medication for it.
Pretend_Bobcat_6704@reddit
This happened before the revisions they made for fast tracking. I actually had gotten fully denied for the 1st class that July and the new fast tracking process came out in August. I would’ve actually been approved a medical if I would’ve waited! Who knows. To answer your question though the FAA asks for your prescription history and I guess the pharmacy kept renewing the medication even though it was never picked up. I hadn’t taken vyvance for like 4 years. So all the way up to 2018 the paper said it was refilled. I applied for the medical in early 2023. Not sure if this makes total sense.
Altruistic_Package25@reddit
Thanks for the clarification! I read now if you haven’t taken it for 3 months at least (no refills) they could approve it. Would you ever revisit this?
Pretend_Bobcat_6704@reddit
I would say no just because, (and this is assumption), they have a record of me in a database and they can see I really did fall short of the bell curve on the cog screen. The fast tracking process is to weed out those who truly were misdiagnosed. I wouldn’t have a magical clean slate.
clburton24@reddit
Following since I'm in a very similar boat.
B100West@reddit
My friend from the military is now a flight dispatcher
PokePilot@reddit
+1 for dispatch. It's a fantastic career option that not a lot of people really know about, and previous pilot training is immensely useful for earning the certification and getting hired. Going from having the world's best office view to a dark, windowless room will probably be a difficult transition for some, but it's arguably one of the best possible alternatives that still lets you apply the knowledge and planning skills you've built as a pilot.
8BallSlap@reddit
Worked as a flight follower for a cargo company, then went back to school for civil engineering, was an airport design engineer for a while. Now a construction inspector at a major airport.
m4d_l0v@reddit
I’m chillin’, life goes on. I became a butcher and have a home that’s paid off. I live a peaceful life that a career in flying wouldn’t have provided me.
It felt like the end of the world for a while, but I now understand that it’s just life. Ups and downs.
DCS-Doggo@reddit
Consult and flight sim for the itch.
shendy0314@reddit
My plan B is to become a bar promoter in Ibiza in the summer then a ski instructor in the winter
Marpev@reddit
Came to my mind
shadeland@reddit
Careful. You might end up like Slurms MacKenzie.
Whimmy wham wham wazzle!!
Mynoseispurple@reddit
Plan B is to drive truck. Yeah there is still the DOT medical process, but it is much easier to pass imo. Decent pay and still gives the away from home experience.
Ok_Decision_@reddit
Anyone have narcolepsy and also color blindness because I am so screwed lol
Oregon-Pilot@reddit
Collect company disability paycheck every month and just live life
MobiusDie@reddit
I know a pilot who got struck by lightning while doing his walk around on the ramp. Subsequently lost his medical.
He's now a classroom teacher at a 141. Tremendous guy, super knowledgeable.
Fizzo21@reddit
I can breath now because of the contract having loss of medical insurance. Phew.
KneadAndPreserve@reddit
Housewife/mom.
R0llTide@reddit
Work to get it back. I’ve lost it twice, once for a serious but treatable condition, and now have a few Special Issuances with my 1st Class, But I have a First Class again.
flywill2000@reddit
Here’s my story if anyone is interested, TLDR: got skin cancer, lost medical for about 4 months and was able to get it back with many stipulations (scans, checkups, etc)
https://www.reddit.com/r/flying/s/K9x52CUevb
rickmaz@reddit
Musician ! 🎹🎼
Necessary_Topic_1656@reddit
This is a topic that all pilots who fly for a career should consider... What would you do if you couldnt' fly.
It took the pandemic for me to figure it out.
the day you lose your medical, it's always good to have a plan B ready to go before you lose your medical, rather than coming up with plan B after you lose your medical.
Being a pilot is not your identity, you're still the same person you after you couldnt fly as before you could fly.
To paraphrase a pilot social media personality, youre still a dad, youre still a husband of a scientist, you're just not an airline pilot anymore.
for the pilots who are fortunate to keep their medicals their entire careers, what do they do after they retire?
what do you do when you're not at work, what are your interests? that's who you are.
from that you can figure out what to do. still easier said than done.
i enjoy smoking meat when im not at work... if i lose my medical, im going to open my own pit barbeque pit food truck - and probably lose my house while im at it... who knows possibilities are endless.
gromm93@reddit
Hah. I've taken the reverse course. Back when I was most enthusiastic for being a pilot, it was completely inaccessible. I wanted to go into the RCAC, back when I was still eligible. I wanted to get my commercial license after. My parents were broke AF, and we lived 4 hours away from the nearest squadron.
So I got a student loan for IT instead, and made that my career for 25 years. Ended up hating it. Now that I've saved up for it, I'll try to make a career as a pilot for a bit before hopefully retiring back into a flight instructor.
Independent_Nose_949@reddit
LOM insurance
Frosty_Piece7098@reddit
I’m going ride the LOL and disability till 65 if I ever lose it.
Head-Assistance5353@reddit
Flight simulator instructor at a part 142
teamcoltra@reddit
Do you find it depressing sometimes? Like watching them from the sidelines?
Since I've got out of aviation I mostly avoid it all except Reddit
Head-Assistance5353@reddit
I personally haven't lost my medical, but a lot of my colleagues are here due to medical issues or as their retirement gig. Most of them are happy to stick around as it's a good pay for a job that gets you home every day + no age limit (some are nearing their 90th bday). You can progress to managerial positions if you're up for the workload
willreadforbooks@reddit
JFC
4Sammich@reddit
I know right. I get wanting to be around aviation but there comes a time to move on.
RequirementLocal7418@reddit
A lot of Navy simulator buildings are staffed by retired guys working until they die out of love for the community. I had a bunch of Vietnam vets with wild stories going through in 2010. It was pretty sweet having them around honestly.
redditburner_5000@reddit
Why did you get out?
PassengerLong9675@reddit
Money
This-cant-be-wright@reddit
Did this for 5+ years during some medical issues. It was super rewarding. You're still in the industry, using your skills and still able to talk shop with pilots. A nice bonus was keeping my own skills up so when I returned to flying I wasn't super rusty.
LatterContest2121@reddit
Ground/sim instructor jobs or dispatch. Average atp/commercial guy/gal can get a disp cert for 2k in two weeks. Pay is about the same across the board for those three jobs (at least at my legacy). Light and controllable schedule.
duaIinput@reddit
Dispatchers make as much as sim instructors???
LatterContest2121@reddit
Ground to dispatch base pay is about a 5% difference and dispatch to simP is about 10% difference base pay. That said with OT, yes sim and dispatch make similar money. Dispatch have more pay premiums that sim instructors too.
duaIinput@reddit
That’s awesome good for them!
f1racer328@reddit
Dispatchers at my airline can make 200k a year. Just went to CQ and my sim instructor said he made 415k last year.
_Yellow_13@reddit
Jumping in a bit late.
Depending on reasons for the loss guys and Girls will take different routes.
Some companies have strong disability allowances.
Others not so much but you can back this up with private insurance. This will allow u to recover at home and not stress over bills etc.
Things like cancer obvs take a while to recover.
Not always losing your licence will mean u never get it back.
But unfortunately sometimes it does, neurological, vision and cardio issues mainly
Moving into the simulator is probably the best you can do.
I’ve had 2 sims recently with instructors like this. First was a friend. Who had a heart attack. I believe he got his medical back after the first event but he had another event and they took it permanently.
Second guy had a small stroke so hopefully he’ll be back flying in a year or so.
Others go to HQ or leave the airline and go to something else.
Xyzzydude@reddit
I always thought the smart move would be to major in meteorology in college, then if you can’t fly you can work in aviation forecasting and maybe dispatch with that knowledge. Maybe I’m biased though because I find meteorology interesting.
ywgflyer@reddit
The issue with this approach is that if you don't stay "in the game" regarding your degree, you often can't fall back on it because you're so-and-so-many years out of practice and employers will heavily lean toward the more recent grad/trainee who didn't just get a degree in X, then fly for a decade, now wants a job their degree is in. You may as well not have that degree at that point, your training is years old and you're not up to speed on current issues/tech in the field.
I have a degree in meteorology from 2009. That was almost twenty years ago. I'd be laughed out of the room if I tried to get a job in that field with the preface of "well I just spend the last two decades flying big jets, but trust me, I went to school for this back before your kids were born".
Designer_Solid4271@reddit
Sell everything, buy a boat in the Caribbean and start a YouTube channel I guess?
Dangerous_Fan2029@reddit
This needs more upvotes. That sounds like the move. If I ever lost my medical, I'd do this.
Designer_Solid4271@reddit
I’m kind of amused that it’s being downvoted. It’s exactly what one pilot did. It was meant to be funny, but I guess that’s not allowed here.
Plane-Impression-296@reddit
Who is the pilot?
schutte01@reddit
Bobby from Sailing Doodles
Plane-Impression-296@reddit
Thanks
Dangerous_Fan2029@reddit
I read that and immediately was like yup. Buying a sail boat and traveling around the world would be my go to.
countjeremiah@reddit
Coconut milk run and eat mahi.
mtnflyer1@reddit
Yes
MassiveCommittee6125@reddit
Got a job at the FAA
TheRealTOB@reddit
Aerospace manufacturing
sammywammy53b@reddit
I started working in real estate and build up a fairly large, successful company.
Ok-Selection4206@reddit
This is why a contract with great disability insurance is important. I was out for a year and didn't think I would get my medical back. When I did get it back I was torn between going back to work or just staying out because my disability insurance was so good. I decided to go back because I wasn't done flying yet.
Old-Ad-7053@reddit
Get paid and sit at home and wait till the FAA gives him a med back
owend108@reddit
I am appealing my medical review as I just lost my med cert after over a year of waiting. I’ve been working on my ppl the whole time. I had an injury to an artery. I left a great career and cashed my retirement out to pay for training out of pocket. If this falls through the only other thing I am interested in would be working for the park service but under this administration who knows. Just feel crushed.
ecniv_o@reddit
Bunch of the sim instructors I've met over the years lost their medical, and it's a decent job that's flying-adjacent that gets you home every night. Not the worst!
kiwi_love777@reddit
Yeah- met a few at FlightSafety. One got into a car accident and lost total sight in one eye, another guy had a heart attack. Nice, knowledgeable guys. I think that’s what I’d end up doing too.
Enough_Professor_741@reddit
I found a new career at a jet engine company as a training manager. I also handled the accident investigation side. I am fully retired now, but it was an interesting, fulfilling career. I got my MBA while I was flying and it certainly helped my career post flying.
Silly-Sleep3467@reddit
Let a newer pilot fly you around in your plane? Or donate it to a struggling CFI?
TheTubbyTickler@reddit
Ignorant question, but is there some way pilots are/can be covered in case of losing a medical?
738lazypilot@reddit
You can pay for a temporary or permanent loss of license insurance, it's usually 800 per year and you'll get in case of total loss of license 300-400k. For a temporary loss of license, it will cover a percentage of your salary for 2 out 3 years while you recover.
Worried-Ebb-1699@reddit
If you’re flying at an employer who have such coverage, then yes.
Typically you’ll go on disability at some portion of your original salary.
TheTubbyTickler@reddit
Ahhh, gotcha, thanks
Ruepic@reddit
From personal experience, some will work in operations, such as dispatching.
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