Tulsi on the church ICE protest: "Such behavior is demoniac and should be condemned by everyone, and those who took part in such intimidation tactics should be held accountable."
Posted by WashedMasses@reddit | tulsi | View on Reddit | 40 comments
source: https://x.com/TulsiGabbard/status/2013701775405261042
Mikhail__Tal@reddit
lol she's using the prabhupad spelling of demonic
If you know, you know
bigmt99@reddit
Wonder if she has the same strong words for supporting regime change in Venezuela
Cannot believe there were people in this sub who got fooled by her heel turn
omegaphallic@reddit
I'm one such, she used to have integrity, she basically sacrificed a promising career in the democrats to expose the DNCs attack on democracy and Bernie Sanders.
Tulsi really used to be a principled person once upon a time, but I think the constant character assassinations from folks against her for opposing regime change wars (yes I get the irony) by fellow democrats and that Bernie sat back and did nothing to defend her, made her bitter, and bitterness drew her to the dark side one moral compromise at a time.
She would not be the first idealistic politicians twisted into parody of herself in Washington.
caveman512@reddit
It weird too because to my remembrance it happened AFTER the whole Russian troll thing got put on her. Like they lied about what she was and then she turned into the thing they said she was
Random-Cpl@reddit
Or—maybe they weren’t lying about what she was
EssentIYO@reddit
Or maybe she always that and she lied to you?
absurd_olfaction@reddit
Demoniac isn't a word.
How about the intimidation tactics of using deadly force on an unarmed woman?
matrixofillusion@reddit
Demonic is a word that is used by her guru Chris butler all the time.
WashedMasses@reddit (OP)
oh ffs... https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/demoniac
SlutBuster@reddit
Two things can be wrong at the same time.
absurd_olfaction@reddit
I think if a politician decries the least wrong of two wrongs, they're automatically wrong.
You don't think so?
Protesting at a church is the same level of wrong as letting 'law enforcement' get away with violating their training and shooting people?
That's your argument here? Are you watching yourself follow a moral coward into performative stupidity?
SlutBuster@reddit
I think that if you didn't have this same energy for Ashli Babbit's shooter, you're a fuckin hypocrite who's using another innocent woman's death at the hands of law enforcement to justify a cheap political stunt on reddit. And if that's you, I really don't care about your opinion on morality.
That's what I think.
absurd_olfaction@reddit
You believe that attacking a person attacking a federal building with intent to do harm to the officers inside, for which she would have been prosecuted and found guilty with the other insurrectionists, is equivalent to a person driving on the street where they live turning away their vehicle to avoid confrontation?
My opinion on morality has nothing to do with the facts of the case.
One person travelled to DC to break into a building and change the outcome of an election through violent means, was told to stand down repeatedly and kept coming, and the other was driving on her own street where federal officials were breaking the 4th amendment and was shot while turning her car away from the confrontation after exclaiming to the officer who shot her "That's fine, dude. I'm not mad at you.”
I wouldn't expect you to care about anyone's opinion on morality, you've clearly got it figured out.
SlutBuster@reddit
Trespassing is not a capital crime and your assumptions about intent are irrelevant (but also very conveniently align with your political leanings).
absurd_olfaction@reddit
You're right! Trespassing is not a capital crime!
However, disobeying an officer when his firearm is already drawn, has given you a lawful order, has stated clearly they will use lethal force, and you are making the decision to press an attack squarely puts the officer in a legal position to use their firearm.
The officer who shot Good had no such legal position. This is not disputable, it's in ICE's training documentation. Read it yourself.
And yes, legally, a person's actions allow you to infer intent. And they are relevant, that's literally the difference between murder one and murder two.
Please try another ad hominim fallacy about my political views so you don't have to engage with the facts of the cases. It's going great.
SlutBuster@reddit
ICE's training documentation is also irrelevant. It's not law. If the officer was in fear of death or great bodily harm, it was a good shoot. This is very basic stuff.
Yes but we're not in a courtroom, we're on reddit and your decision to defend one shoot while defending another is all the evidence I need that you're full of shit
absurd_olfaction@reddit
I agree. If the officer was in fear or in a position of bodily harm that would make it justified. The video clearly shows he acted outside the scope of what is legal shooting. This is just you arguing against evidence now, I don't even have a position.
Please keep calling me a piece of shit, (another ad hominim) if it makes you feel better about 'not being in a courtroom' so your arguments don't have to meet any kind standard.
Defending one shoot while condemning another on the facts of the case is rational; you're only outing yourself as someone who thinks otherwise.
SlutBuster@reddit
Nothing in the video shows that he wasn't in reasonable fear of bodily harm.
He drew and aimed that first shot before the car made contact with his body (and it did in fact make contact with his body, as you can clearly see). Whether or not the first shot came before or after it made contact is unclear, even from 3 video angles, and all 3 shots happened within 1 second.
The argument is simple:
Ashli Babbit was unarmed and climbing through a window when she was shot down. Renee Good was driving her car and struck an officer.
Both officers went out of their way to get in a position to fire their weapons. Both shot unarmed women. If you didn't expect officials to denounce Babbit's shooting as excessive force, but you expect them to denounce Good's shooting, then you're a hypocrite. Everything downstream of that is rationalizing bullshit.
I didn't. I said you're full of shit.
Don't complain to me about ad homs. We're long past that.
spidaL1C4@reddit
.... An officer may not manufacture a deadly-force justification by placing themselves in harm’s way when reasonable alternatives exist. Courts often describe this as “officer-created exigency” or “self-created jeopardy.” If an officer steps in front of a car that was not previously threatening deadly force, many courts will say the officer cannot then claim the car was a deadly weapon. ⸻ The Constitutional Standard (Supreme Court) Graham v. Connor (1989) This is the foundation. It requires courts to assess force based on objective reasonableness, considering: • Whether the suspect posed an immediate threat • Whether the officer reasonably contributed to creating that threat While Graham doesn’t explicitly say “don’t step in front of cars,” it opens the door to analyzing officer decision-making that creates danger. ⸻ Key Supreme Court Clarification (Important) County of Los Angeles v. Mendez The Court rejected a standalone “provocation rule”, but it explicitly preserved the idea that: • An officer’s earlier reckless or unconstitutional actions can be considered in the totality of circumstances • Officers don’t get a free pass just because the final moment involved danger This case is often misunderstood — it did not eliminate self-created danger analysis. ⸻ Federal Appellate Cases DIRECTLY About Vehicles These are the ones you’re probably remembering being discussed in media and police policy updates. Adams v. Speers The Ninth Circuit held: Officers who step in front of a slow-moving vehicle may not claim deadly force was justified when they could have stepped aside. This case is cited constantly in West Coast use-of-force training. ⸻ Orn v. City of Tacoma Very explicit holding: A moving vehicle does not automatically constitute a deadly threat, especially when officers voluntarily place themselves in its path. This case is a cornerstone for lawsuits involving shootings through windshields. ⸻ Torres v. City of Madera The court found: • Shooting a driver who posed no immediate threat except to officers who stepped in front of the vehicle was unreasonable • The officers created the danger themselves This case is cited frequently in DOJ consent decrees. ⸻ DOJ & Police Policy (Why You’ve Heard This Recently) After multiple high-profile shootings, the U.S. Department of Justice pushed agencies to update policy. Modern policies now usually say: Officers should move out of the path of a vehicle rather than fire, unless occupants are using the vehicle as a weapon against others. This language appears in: • DOJ consent decrees (Chicago, Baltimore, Seattle) • State POST standards • Major city police manuals (LAPD, NYPD, Phoenix PD, etc.) That’s why you’ve heard commentators say: “An officer can’t step in front of a car and then claim fear for their life.” ⸻ State-Level Criminal Cases (Real-World Consequences) In several prosecutions and grand jury reports, prosecutors have explicitly argued: • The officer placed themselves in front of the vehicle • The danger was avoidable • Deadly force was therefore not justified This argument has succeeded even when officers claimed fear, particularly when: • The vehicle was starting from a stop • The officer had room to move • No bystanders were at risk
SlutBuster@reddit
Thanks ChatGPT but he didn't step in front of a moving vehicle, he stepped in front of a parked vehicle. When the vehicle started moving, it became a potentially life threatening weapon, something that Ashli Babbit notably lacked when she was gunned down.
The hypocrisy is simple: either both women posed a threat reasonable enough to justify lethal force, or neither did. Trying to justify the Babbit shoot while splitting hairs over the Good shoot means you don't actually give a shit about excessive force when it's used against your political enemies. Super simple.
kewldude-mn@reddit
She was armed with a vehicle and didn't have any business being there in the first place.
PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK@reddit
Does she also explain how ICE is closer to God?
CambionClan@reddit
I agree Tulsi, but shouldn’t you focus on speaking out against all these wars and foreign interventions?
otter_empire@reddit
Technically some of the interventions Trump has done may have been strategic neutralizations of bigger revolutions
Like I wasn’t happy with Venezuela, but there’s reason to suspect a Venezuelan spring was incoming
BlueAig@reddit
Nekima Levy Armstrong, the protest organizer whose arrest photo was manipulated by ICE, is a Christian pastor. Tulsi Gabbard is a grifter with all the moral courage of a bowl of warm snot.
Niauropsaka@reddit
Unlike Tulsi, I am a Christian, and rebuking false teachers is actually part of our religion.
Dblcut3@reddit
“their hostility towards God”
Mind you, she’s not even a Christian. It’s all performative
pilgrimboy@reddit
Or protesting in a house of worship like that is just that repulsive.
thebaldfox@reddit
What's repulsive is a "man of God" preaching and embodying racial hate from the pulpit. If churches didn't want political protests in their house then they shouldn't be so politically active.
whatweshouldcallyou@reddit
can you give proof of this claim?
thebaldfox@reddit
That's not on me to prove, that's on the protestors who where there. But if he claims to preach the Word but is also an SA field director then he can get fucked.
whatweshouldcallyou@reddit
He's not...
LibertarianLoser44@reddit
I love tulsi, and I will always love tulsi, but this MAGA nonsense is overwhelming.
GeneralEagle@reddit
Sucking the Ds D.
TheGreenBehren@reddit
All of these hateful comments are bots, whether they know it or not.
Tulsi needs time to cook. Politics is a Rubik’s cube, not a subway.
alucidexit@reddit
LOL ok Tulsi
SteamPunq@reddit
Loved Tulsi in the primaries, she has betrayed all her talking points since. This is just another example. Prime reason not to idolize politicians.
TronaldDump247@reddit
Sure there's jack booted thugs kidnapping people at the behest of the federal government but please keep your dissent within the lines/s
AuntPolgara@reddit
I'm against protesting in a church BUT also against ICE arresting people at church, shooting priests, etc
beavis617@reddit
And what about the appalling behavior from the ICE agents who are savagely attacking US citizens beating them and we have one instance of murder and a few homicides on top of that where people in custody are dying.