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Why do some people continue to live in ghost towns and what do they actually do for work?

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cheekmo_52@reddit

Usually they are anti social people that don’t want neighbors.
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TheArgonianBoi77@reddit

Some are too poor to move away or want to keep their family home. most of them work at gas stations or nearby industrial facilities.
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Just_curious4567@reddit

Yeah a lot of them will drive father for work.
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JamyDaGeek@reddit

and I'll bet that drive is a lot better than my bumper-to-bumper traffic drive through a big metropolis for about the same amount of time and a fraction of the distance
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byebybuy@reddit

I've always preferred a route that takes me out of traffic even if it were a bit longer. If it's sitting in traffic for 20 minutes vs driving normally for 40, I'd almost rather have it take 40 mins. I wish there were a setting on Google Maps for that lol.
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Current_Tea6984@reddit

Isn't there though? In my experience Google Maps always offers multiple routes
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byebybuy@reddit

They often offer multiple routes but not always. And sometimes the alternate route has traffic, too. Locally, I'll usually know a separate route that's 10-15 minutes out of the way that Google just assumes I don't want because it increases the time to my destination by 20-40% or whatever. But I'm not always in a hurry.
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desertsunsetskies@reddit

Haha that's what I do when I have to go to San Diego county at rush hour. I know all the back roads and I would very much like to add 10-20 minutes to my 1 hour drive then sit in that mess of a traffic on the freeway, where there is always also a lot of construction. Plus, the view is nicer and more relaxing! I barely feel like I drove for that long!
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abjectadvect@reddit

I think this is the normal way to be; I'm weird for being chill in heavy traffic. I grew up in LA county and my mom frequently had to drive us into the city for appointments, so I sit in traffic the same way other people sit in a fishing boat x)
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Scary-Ad9646@reddit

That's because we measure distance in minutes, and not miles. I like traffic.
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hsj713@reddit

This is how Waze ruins local neighborhoods by rerouting traffic into local streets not capable of supporting heavy traffic.
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JamyDaGeek@reddit

I wish that was an option for me, but I live in a large metropolis, so no matter where you go traffic sucks. I once house sat for a friend who lived much closer to where I was working at the time, and it took almost twice as long to get to work, no matter which route I took, and all had heavy traffic. And we're talking a difference from a 20 mile drive from my house to work down to a 5 mile drive from my friend's house
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calimiss@reddit

Right? As long as you're moving the time doesn't matter as much.
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tacosgunsandjeeps@reddit

I live 40 miles from work and it takes less than 40 minutes
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Adorable_Dust3799@reddit

Definitely. My 50 minute drive through the mountains where it looks different with every change in sun angle is restful, my old 20 minute drive though city stop and go traffic was stressful. It definitely took a few weeks to get used to, but I'll never willingly go back. It's decompression time X 2
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Probably_Caucasian@reddit

Yes I noticed this when I first moved away from my small town to a big city. Driving used to be a peaceful, clear-my-mind kind of experience
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PDGAreject@reddit

I commute about 40 minutes each way, but it's against traffic patterns and a scenic drive. I much prefer it to my old 20 minutes stop and go commute.
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Casus125@reddit

Eh, 40 minutes in the car is still 40 minutes in the car after a year or 2. Commuting sucks, IMO.
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AdStrange2167@reddit

I'm not excusing their justification, but this is also why gas prices are a bigger deal to them
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AlarmedWillow4515@reddit

I know some people who live in the middle of nowhere and they each drive 2 hrs for work, each way.
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Red_Beard_Rising@reddit

I dream of retiring to a small town like your grandparents'. Haven'y ruled out Kentucky, West Virginia, or Tennessee either but I have 20 years to figure that out. My parents live in a small town in Wisconsin on the edge of the driftless area and I love it up there, but I would like it without snow when I retire. Also a longer motorcycle season down there.
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desertsunsetskies@reddit

In California, most ghost towns are completely unpopulated, because most are either in the deep desert near the border with Arizona, far from civilization or very high up (like Bodie). Fun fact, Bodie is the only place in California you can drive to and experience a tundra/subarctic climate in California! You still need an SUV or truck to get there (it's on dirt roads) but you can go cool off there in the summer!
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Katherine_Tyler@reddit

I don't live in a "ghost town" per se, but what's called an unincorporated area. I love it here! It's quiet and peaceful. Lots of scenic beauty and wildlife to enjoy. My nearest neighbor is 1/2 mile away. I do have internet service which allows me to work from home. The cost of living here is also very low. There are those here who travel to a town to work. Others raise cattle or hay or both. Many of the people here raise chickens and/or ducks for eggs and meat. Some raise goats. Some have pigs. Most hunt for game meat in the fall. Nearly everyone has fruit trees and a garden. We preserve food by canning or dehydrating. I know of others that live in ghost towns because that's home. That is where they grew up, and they may have family nearby. Some need to care for elderly parents or grandparents. I hope this helps answer your question.
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No-Donut-8692@reddit

Understand that Americans will travel much longer distances for commuting than most others would ever consider. They may work at a business over an hour away by car. Or, they may be retired and simply don’t want to move from the town they grew up in (or can’t afford to move because they would never get enough from selling their home in a ghost town to buy a place somewhere else).
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tinycole2971@reddit

Many of us who don’t live in ghost towns travel an hour + to work daily. It’s definitely a common occurrence.
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heelstoo@reddit

Sometimes I wonder what the perfect commute time is (via car). I don’t mean the “zero” when working from home, but specifically do driving. My car commute is 5-7 minutes, depending on how I hit two lights. For me, that’s not enough time to “decompress” before getting home and dealing with family obligations. At the same time, I am not interested in a 60 minute commute. I suspect, for me, the sweet spot is at 20 minutes. Enough time to clear my head or make a good dent in an audiobook, but not so long that my soul will be crushed.
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Electrical-Title-698@reddit

I worked graveyard shift at McDonald's as a teenager during covid in 2020. Best commute of my life. About 25 minute drive normally but there was barely ever anyone else out there and pretty much no cops were ever out. I made the drive in less than 20 minutes pretty frequently
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MdmeLibrarian@reddit

After years of a 12 minute commute, I can confirm for you that my new commute (20-30 minutes depending on whether I get stuck behind a school bus) achieves what you want: brain cleaning time and a whole audiobook chapter.
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helikophis@reddit

If you’re commuting 5 minutes by car and that isn’t enough time to decompress, why not just walk? You can’t be getting very far in 5 minutes. A 20 minute walk is much better relaxation than 5 mins in the car.
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heelstoo@reddit

Physical limitations would prevent me from doing that.
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helikophis@reddit

Fair enough
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Dull_Complaint1407@reddit

As much as I hated being tired my job being an hour and a half way was the best drive for me. If your up early enough the highways are empty and you just listen to a podcast and relax
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sfdsquid@reddit

Maybe start taking "the long way home."
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Ordinary_Cap_6812@reddit

I'm 6 minutes from work and absolutely love it. Yes i have the thought of getting a bike but the road leading to work is a high speed road with nothing resembling a bike path. I don't want to ride down that at 530 in the morning when people are just waking up and flying to work.
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tomhsmith@reddit

Before COVID I had a 15 minute commute through a hilly, rich community and an Omni resort. My first job out of college I would leave at like 4:30 in the morning, but I would get to drive down the Malibu canyon everyday with no traffic.. in the right car that was fun.
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pejeol@reddit

If the ride is only 5-7 minutes you should get a bike and ride it to work everyday. That be about a 20 minute ride probably and is a great to start the day and to decompress after work.
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Warm_Objective4162@reddit

I once worked 15 minutes from home. That was perfect.
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Relevant_Elevator190@reddit

I'm 5 minutes from work.
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tinycole2971@reddit

I used to live 20 - 25 minutes from work and that was great. I’d get to listen to my music. I could technically be there in 15 if I needed to rush in an emergency or 30 if i took the backroads. An hour is a lot.
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urbantravelsPHL@reddit

Length of drive is one thing, type of roads and traffic is another. Stop and go traffic makes any length of commute much more annoying and fatiguing.
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CoffeeDangerous2087@reddit

Yeah going into work can be hell but that hour is a factory reset I have a cigar or smoke my pipe and I can come home with broken fingers and still be super dad
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jaylotw@reddit

Yeah man. That after work drive home pipe is the best. When my commute was an hour+, I'd always load one up for the ride home.
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Vincitus@reddit

I used to have a 20-35 minute drive home and it was really nice - I could listen to a podcast or something on youtube and have just a small bit of time that was for myself.
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dweaver987@reddit

And that’s why work from home during the pandemic was such a game changer. Saving 500 hours a year of commuting time was a huge benefit economically and in terms of mental health.
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Proud-Delivery-621@reddit

My parents actually moved out of the city to a very small town about 45 minutes away once me and my brother had grown up. The \~1 hr commute is worth the solitude and seclusion, in their eyes.
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BrilliantPie2566@reddit

Trump flags 🙄
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Ok_Buy_9703@reddit

Most are retired where they don't need to make money to live in the ghost town. House is probably paid off and its their slice of heaven.
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DesertWanderlust@reddit

Our housing prices keep going up so few of us can afford to move. If you own, and especially if it's paid off, you stay there regardless of where you work. You find employment where you can within reasonable driving distance since the lack of a housing payment gives you more discretionary income.
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eightfingeredtypist@reddit

My town had 2000 people in it. When the western UD was opened for settlement, and people built factories near the new railroads, my town declined. We don't have railroads. The population got down to 350 people by 1966, when I showed up. Since then we have tripled in size. People can now commute, and work at home. Since fiber optic Internet arrived, we have gotten a lot of new people. Home businesses include specialty manufacturing, trades people, farms, writing, firewood and logging, carpenters, and web developers. We have a lot of cellar holes from houses abandoned 200 years ago.
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StandardLocal3929@reddit

Communities with little-to-no local economy almost always exist for one of three reasons. 1) There's older people who haven't left. They're retired and wouldn't be working anyway. 2) There are people young enough to work that never left despite there not being opportunities. They have some combination of family resources and family benefits. By 'family resources', I don't necessarily mean they're wealthy, it could be a paid-off trailer their dad left them and is still halfway-habitable. 3) It is within driving distance to a place that does have jobs. Someone might be taking advantage of how undesirable the town is in order to push down their living expenses while working somewhere else. I'd wager most people in this situation also grew up in the area. The common thread is that people are creatures of habit, and some will cling to what they know instead of taking the risk of moving to an unfamiliar place.
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rebby2000@reddit

There is, sadly, a 4th: They have enough to scrap by day to day through various means (job, government aid, whatever else) but not enough to afford to move. In a small town I lived in for a while, the only way out of it for most of the population was college - and not all of them could afford that.
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Zoryeo@reddit

Yeah, there's definitely a lot of suffering that goes on here and it's no coincidence that places like these have some of the highest overdose and suicide rates in the country.
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DesperateHotel8532@reddit

My aunt was visiting, and we happened to drive through a town not far from me that has about 600 people. She asked me what people did for work in such a small town, I said they drive the 15-20 minutes into my larger town. I have had several coworkers from that town and the surrounding area, because it’s only a short drive into my small city of about 80k and only a little over an hour to a much larger metro area. The town of 600 people used to have its own independent purpose, but now it functions almost like a suburb of my city with a stretch of open fields in between.
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sprucemoosegooseloos@reddit

I grew up near one. Folks on public assistance and/or retired. One guy traveled in his RV working construction gigs. Out there you'd bulk grocery shop like once every couple months.
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Nkechinyerembi@reddit

The problem is, who's going to buy your house of you want to move? It's a similar issue in coastal locations where the houses are threatened by climate change. No one will buy if you sell, so you are financially stuck 
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Careless_Mortgage_11@reddit

Maybe they don't ever want to move so it's a moot point. I live in a very rural area on 220 acres of land in a 1890's farmhouse that I've fixed up. I can't see another house from mine, the air is clean, I watch deer play in the yard and I can roam my land wondering at the beauty and nature. I fish in my pone or just lay on the couch on my deck sipping a glass of wine or beer. Like the previous poster said, it's heaven. I couldn't imagine having to live in some loud, smelly, dirty city full of obnoxious entitled people. Worrying about selling my place is the last thing on my mind, they'll carry me out of here in a pine box.
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MarionberryPlus8474@reddit

Many of them are retirees. The average age in most really small towns/rural areas is pretty high. Young people move away for better opportunities.
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ElijahNSRose@reddit

Before cars were invented you needed post office boxes and a general store within a half-day's ride of every farm, hence tens of thousands of unincorporated towns. These days people live there because they inherited land/houses there and commute to work in the next town over. It's an incredibly slow decay in most areas.
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DesperateHotel8532@reddit

Also, railroads would set up towns at a certain distance apart along the lines while they were being built. Sometimes existing towns nearby would just pull up and move alongside the railroad tracks. The railroad needed a certain number of servicing stations, but they also wanted to have the towns within that 1/2 days drive so nearby farmers could come in and ship their produce via railroad. The idea was that if they could encourage people to populate the area then there’d be more customers for the railroad. This pattern is easily visible in the Midwest, a lot of ghost towns and dying towns originally started that way and when the railroad either transitioned to bulk freight or stopped running altogether, they lost their reason for existing.
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Chair_luger@reddit

In the US sometimes railroads got every other section of land(1 square mile) from the government to help finance the building of the rail line.
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DesperateHotel8532@reddit

Yep, the towns were often located on one of the sections owned by the railroad. In addition to selling whole sections, they’d subdivide a partial section next to the rail line into a town with lots and sell them off, which would bring in new people. The Chicago & Northwestern, for example, had a subsidiary land company that surveyed little towns across southern Minnesota. If you look at the original town plats along the Northwestern’s lines, they were all originally owned, surveyed and dedicated by the same company. I believe they did the same thing in Wisconsin, Iowa and South Dakota. They also advertised heavily, and some of those ads are really works of art with big paintings of (occasionally slightly exaggerated) natural scenery to lure people west, sometimes with free tickets, all to build up a customer base. It worked better in some places than in others.
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literacyisamistake@reddit

These are both very good comments in this thread! Colorado has almost 2000 different historic or current towns/cities. They don’t need that many.
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FemboyEngineer@reddit

Why people stay: Living in multigenerational housing that your family owns outright is extremely cheap, and that extended family network is always going to be a fulfilling support network for you. You'd be giving up/risking a lot to move to a city for opportunities, so some people don't. What people do for work: The average age in these towns is often so high that if you're not retired, there's still a lot of work providing the health care & consumer spending (restaurants, retail, etc.) that retirees need.
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SolidRip6497@reddit

I think they are just too poor to move and don’t have any other options
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Prestigious_Ebb_9987@reddit

You should've maybe just knocked on doors to see who lives there. My bet would be mostly older people who are living on Social Security and maybe SNAP (food stamps), or they're retired from the military or some other job that provided a decent pension. Some people really do just prefer that much quiet, too.
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Far-Egg3571@reddit

I wish you went to the west coast. The ghost towns are more interesting in my opinion. Look up Cerro Gordo. A guy bought the town and he is rebuilding it.
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Practical-Ordinary-6@reddit

They didn't go on a ghost town tour. They happened to notice something when they were in New York on a trip for other reasons.
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Far-Egg3571@reddit

And? It doesn't change the fact that I wish they went somewhere better
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poser765@reddit

I don’t live in a ghost town but I do live in a rural area and the job market is pretty depressed. Most people drive elsewhere for work. In most of the US, no matter where you are, you’re probably no more than an hour away from a sizable town with work opportunities. Some exceptions apply. In my case I work 2.5 hours away and travel for work. But I only do the drive once a week due to the nature of my job. Because of that the idea of a ghost town appeals to me. Mostly because it would be quiet and I’m just over living near people.
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NocturneGym@reddit

Okay, that totally clicks. For many, it's not just about having a job nearby. It's about whether they'd rather have a longer drive or work from home in return for peace and quiet. Especially if they only have to go into the office sometimes, getting more space is worth more to them than being close to everything. That's why some folks are making their lives super flexible. They want to commute less, handle cash stuff online, and not be stuck in just one place. That's where something like BlackCatCard comes in handy. They give you a free European bank account in euros, a debit card you can use like a credit card when you travel or rent stuff, and they send confirmations through the app instead of texts. This makes it way easier to live outside of cities while still handling payments, moving cash, and even changing crypto to euros without needing a bunch of banks around
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Simple-Reward-2103@reddit

Those people who clearly hate, support the local farmers community. If the left had their way, MEGA corps would own all of the land.  Then food prices would skyrocket.  Like 10x, 20x 100x, ect. Those "Trump" people who hate, help keep your plate full of affordable food.  That's what is going on in those towns.  Next time look at the agricultural buildings genius.  Notice how nice and well maintained they are.
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literacyisamistake@reddit

I got news for you, mega corps owning the land has been happening since the Homestead Act. Arguably it’s been happening since the Surrender of Cornwallis. You should research land history in America the way it is: speculators purchased entire square miles of Homestead Act land out from under the farmers. During the mechanization of farm labor with the tractor, banks came to own and sell on a ton of family farms because most families could no longer afford the tractor or enough land/labor to compete with those who did. The grange lessened its influence because banks didn’t attend the grange. Family farms then overfarmed what they did have, depleting the soil. Once the Dust Bowl hit, preexisting economic instability coupled with environmental disaster led to repossession/eviction riots and milk can protests. Then we had large-scale agribusiness increase its share of farmland with negotiated deals for subsidies and crop manipulation. There was no functional grange anymore, so the family farmer didn’t get a seat at that table. Agribusiness and private equity firms buying water would buy out entire counties worth of water, and they could do it once they owned 51% of the shares in each area. They’d sell those rights to cities, housing developments, or even foreign entities. And that’s still going on. Ever wonder which family farms are growing alfalfa in Arizona? That’s a family farm all right - because the family is the goddamned House of Saud. They bought the water from under those family farms. Now we have precision agriculture. We can handle every part of the growing process via drone, self-driving tractor, harvester, etc.How many family farms can afford that equipment? Not many. You may have bought the “humble farmer” Jeffersonian propaganda, but when it comes to farming in America? From the first lease riots in the Hudson Valley in the 1790s, this country’s politics have been neither red nor blue - they’ve been green. And they tell you whatever they want to get you to not see it.
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Simple-Reward-2103@reddit

Tldr.  Like, at all.  Bla bla bla.... 😴
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literacyisamistake@reddit

How very unsurprising of you.
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OneHumanBill@reddit

Every real ghost town I ever visited had either no people there, or else a full time caretaker who liked the solitude, or else was turned into a tourist theme park and maybe a few of the staff lived there. I don't think you are using the term ghost town correctly...
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North81Girl@reddit

I wonder what you would think about Maine....
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Fire_Mission@reddit

Remote work. Farming/ranching. Local jobs. Commuting to work.
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Chair_luger@reddit

Mining ghost towns are a special case but many small towns which are nearly abandoned now were originally in agricultural area. In the early 1900s or before when many of these towns were established it would require a lot of hired help to run a large farm using draught animals or early tractors. As agriculture because mechanized one person on a half a million dollar piece of farm equipment could do the work which was previously done by a large crew of hired farm hands. The loss of those jobs has caused the economy of many small town to shrink dramatically and when it got to the point where people moved away. >I visited a few ghost towns which were fascinating to see but I noticed one or two houses were still lived in, flying trump flags usually Some of them could have been squatters who saw an empty and just decided to move in. Cooking meth is the modern equivalent moonshiners and some people will look for an abandoned house to set up a meth lab in.
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CriticalSuit1336@reddit

Likely farmers
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ArkansasTravelier@reddit

Some people take pride in being on a piece of land for several generations and just because the town went away doesn’t mean they are, I’d imagine most of them own the home and live off of benefits and odd jobs (scrapping metal etc)
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Prudent_Fudge_1479@reddit

What an odd thing to take pride in. That backwards thinking is why they are in dead-end towns.
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QnsConcrete@reddit

> What an odd thing to take pride in. That backwards thinking is why they are in dead-end towns. How is wanting to keep your family in the same spot backward thinking? Not everyone values the same things like chasing career promotions and moving for job opportunities.
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Prudent_Fudge_1479@reddit

Qns, my spouse provides healthcare (OB-gyn) on a traveling basis to precisely these small dead-end towns - we travel all over the country doing so. The hospitals suck, they have to import doctors from the big cities at the same time they trash big cities. The fentanyl is out of control because there’s nothing to do in a small town. There’s little culture, art , etc. People who are “different” (gay, etc) are isolated. They wouldn’t know a Jewish or Muslim person if they tripped over them The teen pregnancy rates are high. But sure, great grandpappy owned this piece of land. The smart ones get out.
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RoryDragonsbane@reddit

I could make a lot of hateful generalizations about people living in urban and suburban communities. They wouldn't necessarily be true. Try to have more compassion and reserve judgement for people different from you. You'll be more happy.
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gb187@reddit

We do have shoes and running water. I'm pretty sure a decent about of people move to these areas and have some sort of a retirement plan. Healthcare and jobs are the two big negatives I see in these towns when I travel thru them.
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Surprise_Fragrant@reddit

If you believe people on Reddit, those of us who live in small towns are not complete if we don't have an art museum, ethnic food, public transportation, and gay neighbors.
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QnsConcrete@reddit

You’re conflating pride in a family estate/land with poverty and related conditions. They are not the same. I know some families that take pride in living on their grandparents’ land that are wealthier than I will ever be.
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One_Advantage793@reddit

Exactly! I am retired now and live on what was my grandparent's and great grandparents' farm. It's a beautiful place, and I'm college educated and I've lived, worked and travelled all over; I'm back here now and it'll go to my grandchildren. They will decide whether to keep it to retire on themselves or sell for not really much gain. (Daughter has already made clear she doesn't want it; neither did my dad's siblings, my sibs nor my cousins.) To each his/her own, but it is not backward to love a piece of land you know like the back of your hand, on a road named for your granddaddy, down in the rocky part of the woods that was always too hard to farm. I live in a forest that hasn't been cut in at least 200 years, on a hill over the river. Call it backwards all you want. It is beautiful, peaceful. And I hate cities; had enough of them when I had to live there. I don't have a huge property left; it was never a huge farm. It was one that fed a family through the Depression and kept them surviving and thriving thereafter. (I am also a 5th generation college graduate in the deep south, all of whom came from here and some of whom came back; people aren't always who you assume they are. My family saw education as a way out of blinding poverty; my cousins run the gamut from school superintendent to stock car driver.) The rest was sold by the others who inherited. Most is still empty because there isn't much work here and it isn't prime farm land. But I own my great grandparents' house, that started as a one-room cabin with no electricity or plumbing, and grew to be a 2 bedroom, 2 bath house; modest but a nice place. Not a damn thing wrong with that.
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cwcam86@reddit

Living in a house that is paid for is backwards thinking?
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Prudent_Fudge_1479@reddit

One can only live in a paid-for house in a dead end small town?
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cwcam86@reddit

Odds are its probably a paid off house if its been in their family for generations.
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alwaysboopthesnoot@reddit

Maybe. But in many cases rural and poorer people in those areas are mortgaged and remortgaged to the hilt, in major credit card or other debt, and they have to lease their land to corporations or other local people that frack it, log it, mine it or farm it, plus work lots of hours very far away to make ends meet.  That pride in the land or staying in a family house for generations isn’t always a badge of honor; sometimes it is a choice of last resort.  It is often  done only because no one can earn enough locally as there is no job or business anyone local chooses to build or bothers to invest in, no one chooses to pay taxes sufficient got local needs and purposes, to help build a tax base to build new schools or a hospital that can serve everyone.  It is often a self-imposed. self-defeating and self-isolating, divisive and antagonistic cycle of generational poverty, inefficiency, and mismanagement of resources and income that just keeps kicking the can father and farther down the road so no one ever really catches up. 
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ATLien_3000@reddit

>went across New York State for part of it. I visited a few ghost towns You'll have to be more specific. Most of new York State north of Westchester County is a ghost town.
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Carinyosa99@reddit

My dad's side of the family is from the upper peninsula of Michigan. There are many towns that used to have lots of people due to mining or other industries that dried up (or they were supportive businesses to the mining industry). Lots of people moved on to find work, but some families stayed behind and their descendants remain. Up there, it's not unusual for people to drive long distances to their job and so they may live out in the middle of nowhere, but they work an hour away.
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osteologation@reddit

I’m from a rural area in the lower peninsula but the first time I drove through the up I was genuinely curious about where people worked. There just didn’t seem to be much of anything.
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Carinyosa99@reddit

Two of my dad's cousins lived in a town in Iron County near the Wisconsin border. They worked at the mines up near Marquette. They would spend the week there and then come home on weekends. They were in some kind of supervisory position and I assume they had probably worked the mines in Iron County before they shut down.
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tcspears@reddit

Some people feel a deep connection with their town, and prefer it to chasing something more. Honestly, we need more people like that, to stay and take care of these towns and rebuild with a sense of community. I’ve seen some small former mill towns in MA rebound because people stayed and invested in the town.
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Dave_A480@reddit

Retirees on social security
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RedSolez@reddit

Even small towns need law enforcement, educators, healthcare workers, and anyone else who'd be considered essential personnel.
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paracelsus53@reddit

In upstate NY, main jobs are at customer service centers and prisons. I lived in Elmira, NY. Two prisons and a deserted downtown. WalMart came and killed what was left of downtown and then moved to the next town over so they wouldn't have to start turning over the sales tax they got to keep.
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Fishtails@reddit

Could be retired. Could work from home.
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7eregrine@reddit

Could have a long commute. My wife worked with a guy that commuted nearly 90 minutes ONE WAY.
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ELMUNECODETACOMA@reddit

I worked with a guy who lived in Ocean Shores (WA) and commuted to the Tacoma area on Mondays and back on Fridays and midweek would stay in a local apartment. That's an over two-hour drive.
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7eregrine@reddit

This dude did Pennsylvania border to Cleveland Ohio for 2 years. Like the snowiest part of the state too, by a lot. Crazy.
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DesperateHotel8532@reddit

I did this for a while. 81 miles each way, so an average if about 90 minutes was normal. Half of it was a breeze because it was through rural areas on the interstate, it was the other half through the city that made me want to tear my hair out. But at the time I really liked my job and my house, and the only way to make those two things happen at the same time was to do that commute. I lasted a full five years and wore out two cars.
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BlaggartDiggletyDonk@reddit

I'm from Southern California, and I've heard of worse.  
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7eregrine@reddit

Yes, but in Cali, that's just going across town. This guy was driving 80 miles a day. 🤣
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Snoo_33033@reddit

I used to work in a (100kish-person) town that’s in the exact middle of a depressed rust belt state. My colleagues drive up to an hour from a bunch of small towns. Sometimes further. It’s not like there’s a ton of traffic.
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stevepremo@reddit

This is confusing to me. I'm from California, and to me, a ghost town is one that has been fully abandoned, like Bodie, California. Or Calico.
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Lonsen_Larson@reddit

Some run farms or ranches. I have family that live in what's termed an "unincorporated community" and they're largely farmers of various sorts. Horse, cattle, Christmas trees, hazelnuts, etc. Many work urban or suburban jobs and just like the rural living. And then lot of them don't work at all. They either subsist on some kind of government handouts, either because of income or age. Government employs a lot of them, we have city/town, county, state, federal, and some places have local municipal government agencies that span several counties, all employing people.
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somecow@reddit

They’re retired. That, or inherited the land and drive over an hour to work each day.
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Ok_Soup3987@reddit

Own property, commute 68 miles one way when I work in office, work repote the other days. Alot of my neighbors are nurses.
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Angsty_Potatos@reddit

Are you sure they were ghost towns?  A lot of America is tiny rural patch towns.  Central Pennsylvania has a shit ton of them. America is huge and spread out in most places. These people likely drive just as far to work or the story as I did back when I lived in central Pa...I lived in town and a Walmart 30 minutes away killed our main Street so groceries were a 30 minute drive. My mom commuted 45 minutes one way through mostly nothing to get to work.  People in the smaller patch towns do the same. 
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rexeditrex@reddit

Can't afford to move, plus they believed Trump cared for them and would make their lives better by making women and minorities pay for all those jobs they took from them.
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thewags05@reddit

I'm picturing an old west tourist trap when I picture ghost town? Are you just meaning small towns? I've been all over upstate New York and am confused about what you're considering a ghost town vs just a small town. There's a lot of small towns up in the Adirondacks that are fairly far from a larger city. Otherwise most areas aren't aren't all that far from a larger area people cam commute to. There's also farming/agriculture of different types, remote work, retired people living in a cheaper area. A lot of more rural people don't have the education or work experience to do a lot of jobs either. You sorta get stuck there and it's hard to move when you're poor.
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Commercial_Nature_28@reddit (OP)

It was called parkville. 
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Mysterious_Bed9648@reddit

Wikipedia called it a hamlet. 
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Scrappy_The_Crow@reddit

Probably Park**s**ville. Looking on Google street view, that corner drugstore looks pretty neat.
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Commercial_Nature_28@reddit (OP)

Sorry yes, parksville. 
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thewags05@reddit

That one would be quite the commute to any area with a decent amount of jobs. It would be possible to work in the Binghamton area, which has a decent amount of employers. But an hour and a half commute would be rough. It's also only like 5 minutes from Liberty, which is certainly small but does have a population over 10k. I live in a town with a population under 2k, but it's less than an hour from about 3 decent sized population centers. I also work remotely though.
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bub166@reddit

Lots of people don't live in a town at all. As long as you're in close enough proximity to supplies and work (if applicable) that you can get there reliably, there is no reason you have to live immediately next to those things. I live in a small town (4k) that is big enough to have pretty much everything I need so I rarely go anywhere, but there are a number of people in tiny towns (or outside of them) who come here for groceries and work.
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Southern_Blue@reddit

I happened to briefly visit Thurmond West Virginia and by briefly I mean the Amtrak train I was riding there stopped at the train station. I didn't know anything about the place except I got a weird feeling about it. Later I learned the town is mostly empty, with a population of about...five. I don't know what these people do for a living, but it's not isolated. There are roads in an out and they can always hop on the train and travel to Charleston, the State Capitol.
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Loisgrand6@reddit

I’ve seen videos of that place. I’m surprised they have a train station there. I wonder where the people who get on and off other than riders like you work. A movie titled, “Matewan,” was filmed there years ago but I don’t know much else about the place
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largos7289@reddit

The thought of no neighbors alone is enough reason to live there. They probably work in the city.
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gbotts621@reddit

They could be retired or working from home.
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bones_bones1@reddit

Some people don’t want to live in a city.
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BeepCheeper@reddit

If you’re an American who works in the same town you live in, you’re either: 1. Living in a major city 2. Underemployed or 3. Extremely lucky
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JimBones31@reddit

I live in a very small town with nothing going on. I don't work here. I work on a tugboat.
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Nofanta@reddit

They have cars.
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Certain-Monitor5304@reddit

What do you mean by ghost town? A population under 1000?
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tacosgunsandjeeps@reddit

I'll drive further to not live in some shithole city
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Jazzvinyl59@reddit

I’m not sure what part of New York you were driving through, but it’s certainly true that there are places upstate that could be described as ghost towns. I think there are a few special circumstances that might make parts of upstate New York, as well as inland New England different in this regard than other parts of the country. First is high cost of living in cities, including upstate ones. The property tax burden in the state is extremely high. Many people are being priced out of or unable to buy a home even in the relatively affordable cites in the state, and will commute farther for work. Second is seasonal travel and second home ownership. This has been exacerbated by recent trends like Airbnb, remote work, effects of the pandemic etc. Due to the wealth concentrated in the northeast it’s not that uncommon for upper middle class and up to own a second home in a more rural part of the state. Seasonal activities like skiing, boating, camping, hiking, fishing, all attract people for parts of the year. The population swells during these seasons while the locals try to earn enough off of them to make it through to the next season.
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Ok-Equivalent8260@reddit

That would be my personal hell
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eyetracker@reddit

New York has ghost towns? They have small towns but "ghost" is different IMHO. A lot of ghost town lists include places that are just small.
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Narrow_Roof_112@reddit

It’s a spartan existence.
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CraftFamiliar5243@reddit

They have lived there for generations. They are afraid of change. and their general attitude is FUCKYOU!
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Eudaimonics@reddit

Eh, the bigger issue is brain drain. When all the talented optimistic people leave, you shouldn’t be surprised when the remaining residents are stuck in their ways and cynical.
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pfmason@reddit

That’s weird. I’ve lived in upstate NY for 60 years and have never encountered a ghost town.
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Commercial_Nature_28@reddit (OP)

One I visited was called parkville
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Eudaimonics@reddit

There’s some abandoned buildings, but that’s not what people would consider a ghost town. It’s just rural.
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pfmason@reddit

Truly a ghost town. It doesn’t exist.
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Samiam2197@reddit

What part of NY were you in? There are extremely rural parts of NY but most of them are in the Adirondacks and still not THAT far from things unless you’re camping in the backcountry. I’ve traveled extensively all over this state and we don’t have many ghost towns. Do you just mean small, poor towns?
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Additional_Peach_387@reddit

I grew up in Allegany County in WNY. Not much going on there.
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Eudaimonics@reddit

Yeah, but you still have places like Wellsville and Cuba and it’s not hard to hop on the highway to get to more populated areas. It’s just weird they used the word ghost town when there’s still a local economy (mostly farming, but also some manufacturing and logistics, the hospital in Wellsville plus some colleges).
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Samiam2197@reddit

Yeah but a ghost town? I haven’t been to every single town in NY ever, but my job requires me to go pretty much everywhere in the state. I’ve also lived in different parts of WNY, downstate, and the capital region. Compared to actual ghost towns in other parts of the country, I’m just wondering if OP actually means a ghost town or just poor rural areas. We have rural areas, but nowhere near the level of rural-ness that exists elsewhere. Especially since it seems likely they were potentially just driving across the state to get to different landmarks.
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Rj924@reddit

Nothing in NYS is that far from civilization. A commute of an hour or less for health care work affords a decent living. No where in NY is that far from a Walmart.
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Eudaimonics@reddit

Yeah, I have a feeling that OP drove through the Mohawk Valley or something not realizing that despite the blight and population loss, these aren’t actual ghost towns and there’s still a local economy and maybe even some manufacturing jobs left.
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Eudaimonics@reddit

Where in New York was this? Much of New York is agricultural and there’s still a lot of jobs farming, or supporting farming communities. There’s lots of small struggling industrial cities, but they’re not ghost towns WTF. There still might be some manufacturing left or logistics/warehousing jobs. There’s still services supported by the local population. Even small towns need accountants, real estate agents, plumbers, electricians and mechanics. Parts of those towns might be blighted, but they aren’t completely abandoned. There’s also a lot of old people on social security and they probably can’t afford to move.
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dan2376@reddit

I went to a tiny ghost town in south east Texas a few years ago where my great-great grandparents and their ancestors lived since the 1850s. There is not much left besides a post office, a church, some old dilapidated buildings that look like they were pulled straight out of a western movie, and my ancestors house that the woman that runs the post office bought and restored a couple decades ago. I asked the woman the same question cause there were still some houses scattered around. She said it’s mostly old retired people living on social security or people drive 45 minutes to the nearest town to work. She said she moved there from a larger city for the quiet and obviously it’s super cheap. She was super nice, she gave me tour of her house and gave me a couple things that she found that had belonged to my family long ago. And she was weirdly pretty liberal for living in a super-red area like that, she even had an LGBTQ flag hanging in her living room!
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literacyisamistake@reddit

There are always liberals and leftists and gay folks in little towns! They’re not likely to wear maxi pads and ketchup in their ears, or wear exclusively Bernie Sanders t-shirts, or fly Biden flags from their truck bed or whatever people in cults do. So the casual observer might believe that the loudest weirdos represent everyone.
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TheGreatLuck@reddit

A trump flag is a good indication that they are retired old people
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Rarewear_fan@reddit

Dollar General
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literacyisamistake@reddit

Facts. Dollar General/Family Dollar, all of those Blackrock-owned chains, I know so many people whose first non-agricultural jobs were at a dollar store.
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SoIL_Lithics@reddit

I live in a town of roughly 2,800 in a drying up coal and oil region of southern Illinois. Guys mostly farm (local) do factory work (30 min + drive) or go into trades work (up to 1 1/2-2 hour commute, my average after 12 years in trade is probably 30-45 minute drive.) Most women also have to drive at least 30+ minutes to the next closest town for work because there’s just not much here. I assume this is pretty typical for most rural regions of the country.
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ald9351@reddit

Sounds like a dream to me. No neighbors, no traffic. I live in a small rural town and dream of living in a space where the population is a single digit when measuring by the square mile. I’m remote. No economic impact.
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Fun-Print3434@reddit

Here in PA where we have a lot of half abandoned old coal towns, the families have been living there for generations. The house is INCREDIBLY cheap. Personally I could never. Those towns giving me the most horror movie vibes.
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cstar4004@reddit

They cant afford to buy a new home without selling their current home. They can’t sell the current home, because no one wants to buy it.
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AleroRatking@reddit

Moving away isn't easy. They likely commute for work. While not completely a ghost town my parents live in very rural NY and used to drive 70 miles each way for work
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DoublePostedBroski@reddit

70 miles in no traffic probably isn’t too too bad….
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cdb03b@reddit

No one lives in ghost towns. That is the definition of a ghost town, it has been fully abandoned. As for people living in dying towns, or towns in decline. People are connected to property, often property that has been in the family for generations. People are still committed to the industries or jobs still active in the town.
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Weightmonster@reddit

Moving and housing is expensive. Many are retired or work remotely.  HOWEVER, are you sure you didn’t come across holiday towns that are busier at other times? 
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Mobius3through7@reddit

I live in the middle of nowhere, population density lower than mongolia. Regarding what I do for work, I'm an engineer. I ask the same question about y'all, why the would you want to live somewhere densely populated? To me cities are just giant piles of trash, couldn't stand living in one, Denver was awful. I love out here because I never have to talk to anyone, I can see billions of stars every single night, I can grow my own food, and I can take off and land my aircraft right from my property. It's heaven.
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Pinkgirl0825@reddit

Along with what everyone else has said, another big thing I haven’t seen mentioned is custody. If you have a child with someone and either share custody with them and or planned on leaving them, you won’t be able to move and take your child with you unless the other parent gives you the okay. I know many people who are stuck in a location they hate with no opportunities because they have children and are. Or able to move per their state law/custody agreement 
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Dresden_2028@reddit

It's cheap. My mortgage for a 3 bedroom 2 bath home on 1.5 acres of land is a mere $750/month. My rent for a cheap apartment in any of the more populated towns near me would be double that, at minimum, and I wouldn't have the freedom in an apartment that I have on my own land. As for what I do for a living? I'm a security supervisor in the next town over.
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sneezhousing@reddit

Most people drive for work, shopping etc even with out it being a ghost town Especially in rural areas. Almost no one lives in walking distance of anything other than just more houses. They drive 30 40 even an hour to go to work and or get groceries
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hidinginplainsite13@reddit

Most Americans work outside of the town they live in.
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KellyAnn3106@reddit

I ask this each time I drive through Oklahoma. There are these tiny little towns with homes that are a bit more dilapidated each time with a few very nice ones sprinkled in. I always wonder what sustains those towns.
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Witty_Succotash_3746@reddit

I think of the people still living in Centralia. Americans are stubborn. They want to live where they live, especially if they’re being told they should leave. I think a lot of these people are elderly and have the philosophy that they’ve lived their life in one place, they want to die there as well.
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KillaCookBook87@reddit

I lived in rural Texas for a while and the only available entry jobs were in a mesquite harvesting facility. There was no chain restaurant or gas station. Not even a dollar general. Some guy moved to the area with a development firm, and people came out the woodwork to get a job with him. Many people lived on subsistence wether prosperous or not, many jobs were nepotistic or entrenched ($100 dollar a day ranch jobs BYO horse). The slightest hint of possible prosperity was that rich guy developing high fences. Most other people worked long haul for oil industry or locally on ranches. Agritourism was big money during the season so people built RV parks and opened outfitters. Almost everyone was running a hunt or working the leases or stocking their cooler during hunting season. Some people trapped feral hogs for extra income, and there was a hog buyer in town. There was a beer joint at the county line and 'grocery store' that was really just a lunch counter convenient store. The hardware store had a food cubbard in the back that was more of a grocery store, but not by much. All of those business' provided 0 employment opportunity. People got by, and we're very resourceful because they had to be.
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Just_curious4567@reddit

In my state some of the rural areas are filled with different types of distribution centers, factories, meat processing facilities, and prisons. You don’t really see any of these things if you just drive through the center of the old town. The reason these things are often in rural areas is because the land is cheap and “big city people” don’t want to work at those places anyway. Also all of the agricultural workers live in rural places, obviously.
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literacyisamistake@reddit

This is the answer at least for Colorado and Kansas. There are munitions/chemical disposal sites and Superfund projects that provide employment in addition to prisons and processing facilities. Those can be very good jobs. A fair amount of rural American is contaminated as hell. In Nevada, New Mexico, and Colorado, some towns are unsellable and unsafe because of radiation levels. There was nuclear testing which drifted radioactive particles over a lot of towns, resulting in high cancer rates. But in the 1960s and 1970s, the U.S. government also detonated nuclear devices in the groundwater and in the gas reserves underground. Not only did this not work to free up resources, but it also contaminated the drinking water and the sole natural resource that might have brought in income. So if your family lives there, you’re pretty much stuck watching everyone get cancer and die. And since the U.S. government refuses to compensate anyone outside of a few people in Nevada for the massive damage they did, these towns bear all those medical expenses themselves. They go bankrupt first and lose businesses while they’re trying to get chemo, and then they die. Anyone who’s left, has an unsellable house and no income sufficient to go move somewhere else. In one county in Colorado where there are only these types of near-ghost towns, the water was controlled by a voting bloc of farming families. In the 1970s, a private equity water purchasing company bribed 51% of the controlling votes to sell all the county’s water to Denver. Overnight, this county went from growing the country’s best watermelons to getting choked by dust and tumbleweeds. Land was unsellable because there isn’t even any water left over to run a restaurant. Then the company that owned the water sold some of it back to the state prisons so they could build a huge facility in the county. Jobs for everyone! they said. Then they just hired people from the next county over. A few people from the area do work at the prison, but mostly, natural resource acquisition has screwed over what used to be a thriving area. So what happens in a dying, contaminated town? Meeting your neighbors for dinner. Going out of town to go fishing and hunting. Quirky little talent shows where someone’s kid plays guitar and someone else does a handstand. Lots and lots of library books - and even if the town library is small, there’s a huge rural library network so you can get anything you want. County Extension does classes and seminars. There are little historical societies all over these towns, and the work they do is incredible. Of course there’s Internet and drugs, but the majority of people just get very good at entertaining themselves and each other. Traveling medical personnel will give you their perspective: everyone’s on drugs (because they see the sick people, not the ones who aren’t sick). Everyone excludes outsiders (because why would you put emotional energy into someone who’s only there for six weeks). It’s like working at a prison and thinking everyone is a criminal. When I moved to one of these places, folks made sure I wasn’t traveling healthcare before deciding to accept me. But wow, did they - I’m a leftist bisexual mixed-race woman, and while I’m definitely not saying there isn’t racism and bigotry, I never wanted for something to do and I never wanted for a friend.
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219_Infinity@reddit

they subsist mostly on government benefits. then they vote against giving benefits to people like them.
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uncle-brucie@reddit

Meth
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Carlpanzram1916@reddit

The tough thing if you wait too long to leave a dying town is that your house becomes worthless. A lot of them are probably retired and on social security so they get a check in the mail every month and their cost of living isn’t very high.
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Snoo_33033@reddit

Right. That’s the problem with a declining market. You can leave but you won’t necessarily be able to get enough money from your house to relocate well.
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Additional_Peach_387@reddit

I live on the eastern shore of maryland in a town of about 500 people. My wife and I both work remotely and live on a 20 acre parcel. We wanted our kids to grow up with space to roam and near family (her parents and my parents are both retired and nearby). I have always enjoyed living in a rural environment and love the outdoors. It was a conscious lifestyle choice.
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Substantial-Spinach3@reddit

Veterinary medicine, farming, General practitioners, bank, grocery, automotive work, thrift stores, convenience stores, cleaning services. People who live rural still use need basic services.
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Justin_inc@reddit

I live in a town whose population is only like 800. I enjoy it. Neighbors are nice, also they are like a mile from my house. I have some property that we lease to a farmer during crop season and I hunt it in the off season. Walmart is a 30 minute drive to the city, but it's really not that inconvenient. We have a dollar general in my town.
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Dio_Yuji@reddit

I drive from south to Louisiana to north Louisiana a few times a year. I pass through 14 small towns and I think the same thing
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ThePurityPixel@reddit

Bad bot
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BowtiedGypsy@reddit

If you mention anything about Trump this bot appears.
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Hoosier_Jedi@reddit

Pretty much. Helps keep the sub calm.
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BowtiedGypsy@reddit

Insane that needs to happen in a post completely unrelated to politics because it mentions a flag. And that’s not a dig at the mods here, more of a dig at reddit overall.
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Jamie7003@reddit

I live in northern NY. Some of those people are basically bums who live off everyone else’s taxes. But a lot of them work and just deal with a long commute. It’s not uncommon to drive an hour one way for work. Also, many people up here do logging or contracting work. There are quite a few careers up here where you work outside in rural or even remote areas. Sometimes people inherit a home or have lived in a house for many years and want to stay there. It doesn’t matter if most of the neighbors leave. I wish most of my neighbors would move away! lol! Also, you can often get houses and property for less money if it isn’t near a town or city, so people often tolerate long commutes in order to get more for their money when buying property
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MedCup4505@reddit

Your privilege is showing. Do you have any clue how hard it is to get SSID or how little it amounts to? Just stop. No one with decent mental health *chooses* that if they have an alternative.
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Jamie7003@reddit

You don’t live in NY do you? It’s very commonly abused here.
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