Bruh he could have gone anywhere. Most of the island looks like shit anyway, if he wanted a vacation there’s a million better places he could have gone.
IIRC, he knew being around these people were bad but he also knew they had deep pockets and he fund raised from them for his charities. His wife wasn't a fan so she divorced him but he didn't care.
Yes. Their relationship was going poorly because he had multiple affairs, and when he started interacting with Epstein regularly she objected. When he didn't stop she left him.
I highly doubt Melinda found out about Bill and Epstein at the same time as the rest of us. Once the news broke, she had no choice but to push the eject button.
She did not find out about him at the same time as the rest of us. She knew and disliked him prior to his incarceration because of his past and had specifically expressed her disapproval of Bill rubbing elbows with him. Bill never contradicted this. Epstein being a sex offender was a matter of public record before he outlived his usefulness and got arrested, he just wasn't a well known public figure.
Right, and the fact that Melinda probably knew and stayed married to Bill, only dumping him once the whole world found out, doesn’t really give her any moral high ground.
He doesn't regret it, he regrets that it is known. He didn't stop when Epstein was first arrested, he didn't even stop during the second arrest. Dude has no regrets about going there, just about getting caught.
Maybe but tbf I don't think that you invite people for "regular" parties to an Island where little kids are kept in the basement. Sounds like an unnecessary risk.
I somehow highly doubt Melinda found out about Bill and Epstein at the same time the rest of us did. I think she knew or highly suspected and didn’t care as long as she could be a billionaire too. She’d been building up the Gates Foundation for years so she could have an exit plan, and the moment Bill got linked to Epstein, she had no choice but to cut the cord.
When was Bill involved with him? Pre first sentence he was just a new york financier with connections, money and probably a slightly questionable reputation.
his wife divorced him for associating with epstein and co.
you said this just now. but somehow you dont see that as a sign that bill probably knew enough that he could have outed the ring.
so even if we pretend he didn't touch the girls, he is still very likely complicit just by knowing and not reporting it to the fbi
I mean, people love drama and stories of comeuppance, even if it's imaginary because Bill isn't suffering anything here, except temporary discomfort.
The reality is that he's clearly a horny dude who likes to fuck multiple women. I have no idea if he engaged in sex with underaged individuals, I wouldn't put it past him. Although I don't think he's a pedo, he's probably just a bored billionaire chasing the next thrill. Ofc this doesn't make it any better, it's just not as juicy.
This also doesn't take away from his advocacy in other areas, although it does show that powerful men have a way of being sexual predators. Thoughts to chew on, as we would say in Russian.
It is kinda funny how good Melinda and Mackenzie look after divorcing Bill & Bezos. Mackenzie Scott just seems like the only good billionaire I've seen, maybe proving once again that you can't be a good person and a billionaire (she didn't earn hers)
Are we portraying going to epstein's island and being a pedophile as being some far fetched correlation? Are you or the thousands of people upvoting you trolling me or are we fr about this?
Well, to be the devil's advocate here, when you're a billionaire, every other rich person you hang out with is some sort of criminal.
For us, this is unimaginable. For Bill, it's just Tuesday. "Well, I've got a meeting with Jeffrey the rapist at 10. At 11, we have a call with Vladimir the genocide guy. And at 12, lunch with the Anti-Christ."
This is just an average day for him.
I wouldn't say just being on the island proves anything as it was probably only used for pedophilia a minority of the time (just like how even a criminal will only be actually committing crimes like 5% of the time and at any other time they're just normal people).
Being ***that*** close to Epstein though, both before and after everything came out is the nail in the coffin.
It's the weirdest thing. It's how Epstein (and people like him) manage to stick around for so long. It is like laundering authenticity. It also doubles as a layer of protection for the people who did partake.
Does that mean Gates is innocent? I have no idea. But 95-98% percent of the people who went to that island weren't involved in anything and most likely didn't know anything. But if you accuse 19 people who turn out to be innocent, it's a lot easier to write off the twentieth who isn't.
I feel like Trump should be getting far more attention for this kind of thing, Epstein literally wrote him a birthday letter about their "shared secret" that entirely implied Trump was actively in on it. Bill Gates could also be involved, but the connection is looser
Well you've gotta admit it looks bad when you fly to a place that it's now clear all rich and powerful people knew was a private sex island where people fuck kids.
“People” as in anyone MAGA adjacent, but hilariously, when you talk about how close Trump was with Epstein it’s all “ah who cares, that’s all fake anyway”
Yeah, especially with Stephen Hawking, a pioneer physicist. He was involved with Epstein because of Epstein's charitable work and he was trying to raise donations for research.
Now the internet has decided he's a pedophile.
While so much evidence of Trump being a pedophile but a significant part of the internet is not ready to accept that.
his wife divorced him after explicitly stating it was his proximity and friendship with Epstein. Would take me alot to divorce my partner, let alone being the richest most well known couple. Enough money to do anything and she still chose to seperate from him.
It’s like people still don’t understand who or what Epstein was despite all the publicity. He was a socialite and financier who made it his business to get involved in other people’s business. Of course he’ll be ‘linked’ to everyone rich and famous, that was his goal.
Everyone who willingly hung out with people *after* publicly convicted, tried, and sentenced of such crimes, deserves the label with zero hesitation. Simple as that.
Everyone who so much as met Epstein in a hallway at a conference and took a photo is being accused of being a pedophile. Meanwhile the guy with actual proof he ran a modeling agency and was channeling girls to an illicit underage massage parlor ring is off scott free and his supporters are fine with it.
I dont think Gates' wife divorced him for bumping into Jeffrey in a hallway. I think it was all the times they hung out *especially after* he was publicly sentenced.
I've actually been fascinated by this ever since I got into psychology/sociology/criminal psychology etc.
Does having lots of power and influence somehow bring these desires or actions out of people?
Do people with pedophilia have some sort of psychological profile that steers them toward financial success disproportionately?
Is it a peer-pressure based thing? In order to be accepted among the elite, you have to touch kids???
Or maybe it's just that BECAUSE these people are famous, we hear about them more and they get more focus, so it only seems disproportionate.
Morbidly fascinating.
For your second question, I think it might be the opposite. People and their desires are mostly restrained to their financial status.
For a person with average income, you have to talk to many people, avoid being in legal trouble etc. or you could lose it all.
When people get so much money that they realise they can just control people with it, people just become tools to them. So for them there is no difference between a 12 year old and a 22 year old. Any problem can be solved with money.
in the case of epstein and his many, many, rich and powerful associates, there have certainly cases of awful things being done to outright children.
however (and not to sound like megyn kelly here), a lot of the rich and powerful people that epstein honeypotted probably didn't think they were engaging in pedophilia.
i'll paint you a picture. you suddenly make a cool new rich friend. he is so cool. he has all these other cool friends that are like, presidents and kings and princes and scientists and shit. fuck he's just so COOL. he invites you to this sick fuckin party. there are yachts and honeys, and a lot of drugs and nice cocktails and shit. there are scantily clad women fuckin everywhere. god he's so cool. you wish you weren't such a fuckin nerd in highschool and college but holy shit was it worth it, if only that dick brent could see you now FUCK this coke is good. your cool friend sidles up and introduces you to someone. wow she is hot. almost like she's been made just for you. she's just your type. wearing a fancy swimsuit/lingerie/dress, maybe she's got a fuckin diamond in her bellybutton. she looks a little young .... but fuck she's hot, and not \*that\* young.... i mean.... she wouldn't be at this awesome fancy rich people sex party if she was under 21 right? and besides makeup artists and stylists have made here as attractive as cosmetic science deems possible. you want another line of coke? how about a fifth manhattan? manhattans are cool right? so you sleep with this crazy hot girl, and everything is GREAT.
you wake up hungover and you really want some more coke, but jeff slides some photos across the table for you to look at. then he softly says, "she's still in highschool, she's 15. also she's trafficked".
you don't go to another party with jeff. or maybe you do. maybe you go to a bunch. i mean hell, you are all in now. and he's already got you. once every few months he sets up a large sum of money to be laundered through your many companies and large charity foundation. you don't know what for or who from. it's just another document or two to sign. or he wants you to drum up or influence support for israel, or a congressional weapons spending bill. big deal, you have lots of lobbyists and lawyers on call who have done this for decades in order to get big contracts for windows products.
i'm sure that some of your theories might apply to some people. and hell who knows. maybe bill fucked kids and knew what he was doing. he probably did know, at some level, what he was doing. but i think most of it is just rich people doing rich people stuff, and i think that to really rich people, everything is a commodity, especially people. the girls are a commodity to consume. but other rich people and their power and influence is a commodity too. it can be bought, and traded, and leveraged for other goals. israeli and mossad goals mostly, in this particular case.
I think this did happen to some nonzero number of Epstein’s clients. But I bet he slipped them a bunch of women of legal consenting age and then slipped in an underage girl at the 5th time or so, not the first time.
It's probably an economy of scale thing.
I recommend playing a police game. The uncensored version of "Ready or not". There is sections that are probably like some police have encountered in real life.
Something like 7% of male population is gay. That adds up to like 13 million american men. If deviancy's built towards not passing off genes are slightly rare. That still means tens of thousands of situations. The FBI sgould have statistics you can see.
One time I went to a friend’s house and his dog let me rub his belly for like ten minutes. Was that about sex? Some things are just nice and not about power or sex.
I did end up fucking the dog but that was unrelated to me rubbing his belly.
When I drink my coffee and look out my back window at the fresh snow, it's really about eating fresh snatch.
Nah, that quote about power and sex is just some cringe shit a villain says that dumb people nod their head to.
This is way simpler than the conspiracy.
These men love power. Raping children makes them feel powerful. Pedophilia is popular with power seekers, so billionaires and politicians steal our children and rape them together
The majority of child abusers are the kids' parents. But if you make lots of money or are a president, pedophilia is always the way to go. The majority of people aren't these power seekers. They're the 1%.
In the general population it isn't popular. But the rich and powerful have islands they rape children at.
Or that. Not to draw away from the guy diddling kids, but I'm also concerned about what kind of shit they were doing that required Epstein to keep evidence of these bullionaires being diddlers. They conspired some heinous shit on society and that's why I think the Epstein files are so scary to Trump and his billionaire friends.
Ghislaine was Reddits top moderator essentially from inception. First ever to reach 1m Karma, moderated WorldNews and helped turn it into an effective way to control messaging.
This stuff goes insanely deep
Maxwellhill
If you google it you’ll find some info.
A lot of articles saying it’s debunked, but the account posted multiple times a day since Reddit was created, then has been silent since she was arrested.
man every days that passes my hopelessness in society gets larger but just when i think its finally over it gets even larger
sometimes i think "man why do i care so much"
I mean, shit like proxy wars, engineered social unrest and the like are not some grand secret - lots of documents had been declassified concerning such matters.
Why wouldn't the big and powerful continue to play such games at our expense? They'll be dead before it all comes out in the open, and if it happens beforehand, their allies will ensure they escape the consequences.
Its the towers. They caused them to fall to cover the trillion dollars they took and everyone knows someone who lost someone that day. If the truth came out we'd torch it all
But we already know about the missing trillions, and there is hard evidence out there to implicate dozens of people. Any of whom have yet to be torched.
We ain’t gonna do shiiiieeet ma man, and everyone knows it, because all of us have to much to lose to become a martyr for a just cause. We fear the consequences of spiritual immortality too much to do anything about anything.
We saw it with Luigi. How many people have tried afterwards to replicate what he did? 2 or 3, that we know about? There should’ve been tens of thousands, storming the offices of greedy corpos and ousting the human trash from society.
But what happened in actuality?
FUCKING NOTHING
As always
I watched an ex-child worker's confessions who managed to get out of that life via help
She said that they worked for the mob and were trained to basically snoop in their client's private stuff (wallets, etc) or talk to them to get them to spill anything that could be used as leverage on them by exploiting their parasocial relationship
Of course, the whole thing was recorded to use against them.
So it was basically over for the clients the second they stepped into the premises.
That's how these "organizations" stay hidden & make sure nobody squeals on them as well as make sure that if anything does happen, because everyone is on the hook & are threatened with blackmail, they step in to protect them.
It really is a deal with the devil where the payment is due pretty much instantly.
Can't say I feel pity for those "clients" - you must be a special kind of stupid to seek out and get involved in this sort of stuff
"I'm also concerned about what kind of shit they were doing that required Epstein to keep evidence of these bullionaires being diddlers."
I fall, you fall. Better keep me afloat. Maybe some blackmailing for money. There's a lot of good reasons for Epstein to keep evidence.
Cia and mossad were moreso working FOR epstein on drug/weapon smuggling during and after Iran contra. I don't really think there was a huge connection with states trying to get blackmail. Govts moreso are the tools of the wealthy rather than the ultimate power and control we paint them as. I don't doubt epstein had blackmail material but if anything it was just to insure secrecy about the ring so they could keep doing it. More a hobby than his main gig.
Yeah it was definitely a means for him to control people. Epstein was definitely a legitimate pedophile in every sense, but he certainly was involved in other shady shit with other elites and the trafficking + honey pots were meant to ensure compliance.
the thing is, u dont have to be pedo to abuse a child. Child abuse is mostly about "power" over another person, in this case over person that has esentially no rights in modern society.
It’s kind of disturbing how many people are actually just pedophiles and would absolutely do this kind of shit if given the opportunity. The whole concept of “barely legal” being a whole ass category for pornography is what I will site as evidence for this claim.
It's not just billionaires. Look at Subway. Any amount of control or influence brings this shit out in the worst types of people. It is so consistent across humanity it's kind of fucking insane.
You know, both the original screenshot and the comment you're responding to make a string case why it doesn't make any sense for Bill Gates to f**k an almost of age minor (why not opt for identical looking 20yo?), so I would think it's not his case.
He was also an adulterer and flirted with workers at Microsoft and his wife knew, so whatever happens at Epstein's island was so bad she fully left him
It’s pretty easy to turn “pervert club that fucks 18-20yr olds” into “pedo club that fucks 15-16 year olds dressed to look older”
All it would take is for him to be “passed” this 15/16yr old dressed up in a specific way and be told she’s newly 18 or smtn, and then to reveal it after the fact.
Obviously anything else he does after that is completely on him so he’s still a complete scumbag if he did indeed continue
And the psychology is easy to follow, super rich person can have *anything* they want, exactly as they want it. One of the very few “things” they can’t have is sexual relationships with underage girls, so they do anything to obtain it. Typical egomania
> honey potted with a questionable over-the-age girl who turned out to be actually a child
That's what happened to *most* of them, and the mysterious reason Epstein was so rich despite being a washed out public school teacher with no credentials in finance (dropped out of everything after high school).
People with certain assets can make your life much easier and more luxe without being drawing attention. [It's happening with Jared now.](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68296877) It sounds like a lot, but it's really just 20 F35s
That was Epstein’s whole thing though, getting powerful people to the island and then compromising them and acquiring them as assets via blackmail. It’s a matter of record
Bro you know he is not 25, like even if he thought the girl was 25 this still won't be ok, and if you can't distinguish 25 from 18 years old you have an issue lmao
ahh yes I am sure every guy who went to epstein island was totally just tricked into fucking a kid. that gotta be the explanation. they are all innocent and only epstein was a bad guy, the rest of them are fucking saints aren't they.
Being worth more than 9 figures just automatically lables you as a piece of shit. That much money cannot be soucred ethically and you're either a monster or complicit with monsters.
J.K. Rowling?
I know reddit hates her now, but she became a billionaire simply by creating a book series that many people want to read and who gave her their money. She wrote this books alone at home, edited by an editor who was getting paid well.
How is that unethical?
I guess it depends on how much of the unethical stuff around it you ascribe to her.
She didn't*just* become a billionaire from the books. There's merch, the movies, plays, games, etc. based on her books/world that she either contributed to or let happen. Within those there has been the same exploitation as anything else (merch made in sweatshops, games crunched, movies made under the standard questionable Hollywood manner, etc.)
She could be using that wealth to improve the world, instead of attacking marginalized groups on twitter.
MacKenzie Scott has given 26B to charity in the last 5 years. Whats insane is: her net worth is still increasing. She continues to ramp up the donations.
I'll never understand people defending billionaires. This was not a good man. His wife left him and the connections with Epstein and cheating were given as part of her reasons why.
And here you are defending a wealthy fuck who donated the scraps from his table.
Seems more likely he, like anyone with that kind of wealth, ran out of things to do and became numb to pleasure so they start doing increasingly fucked up and insane things. It's the logical conclusion of the concept behind "what do you get someone who has everything?" That kind of wealth is both a symptom of a vile sickness and the cause.
at least we have good millionaires like Keanu (unless there's something I haven't seen), but fuck can you imagine if someone like that was a billionaire? so many more would be helped. the needy center he just opened is amazing
I know Reddit wants to be cynical and believe it, but it does seem statistically curious that every single rich and powerful person is a pedophile.
That said, it is possible that once people attain that level of wealth, everything bores them, so they start pursuing taboos just to be able to feel something. The people who died on that jank sub weren’t even Titanic fanatics. It was just a random Tuesday, and they were bored and wanted to do something that no one else can do.
To be frank, if a few women came out and said he'd been inappropriate with them on the island or something, id believe it, but Epstein was a wealth manager for a shit ton of people. If you had over $50M at any point between the 90s and when he died, you were prolly in a picture with him. I'm not rushing to defend a billionaire by any means, but to pretend that the level of evidence against gates or Clinton are anywhere near the same level as the evidence against Trump is absurd.
> Clinton
Really a pretty good litmus test for if your biases are deciding whether good accusations exist or not. If not willing to drag him publicly with the rest of the accused, youre probably letting partisan allegiance decide guilt.
Actually crazy people are defending Gates. More pictures of him with Epstein, they worked together, be went to the island, and way more circumstantial evidence than Trump who the same people call a pedo.
What accounts of Trump are you talking about? Obviously you can take the Maxwell saying he didn't with a grain of sand, but there are victims that were around that said he didn't try anything.
I like how you just made up this "and way more circumstantial evidence than Trump who the same people call a pedo." When he wont release the files and we don't fuckign know.
But Reddit, Reddit knows!
Not that hard to defend Gates compared to Trump. The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, through its major partnerships like Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance and the Global Fund, has contributed to saving tens of millions of lives, with recent foundation reports citing around 82 million lives saved since 2000.
Maybe he's diddled teens, but saving 82 million people from death by shit like malaria is better than diddling teens and also killing over a million people by allowing covid to fester.
This isn’t a court room.
Pursuing this thread in a courtroom would require the ex wife testifying as to why she divorced him. Which won’t happen without a court case that currently does not exist
Not speculating on Gates’ guilt or innocence, but Melinda HAD to dump Bill the moment his association with Epstein became public knowledge. She had no other option.
we can guess based on most billionaires being pedos for some reason (i think it’s the greed) that he probably is a pedo but there’s no actual evidence that he is
You figure he's a pedo, understandably,
But then you think he is running a charity to help people? How do you hold both those things in your head? Non profits are how billionaires evade taxes and launder money
His grandfather, who helped him get rich, was allegedly a eugenicist
Hope this helps put the pieces together
hey op, congrats on another multi thousand upvoted reddit post. im sure theres nothing to how all of your posts are upvoted to the stratosphere. now let me search for the guy who always receives many upvotes in the comments
Idk ppl who want to be youtubers when they grow up have a higher likelihood of their kotives being pedo motivated than other proffessions. Like being a youtuber is one of the jobs that allow easy contact with minors and it's super easy to trick minors into meeting them for example at a youtube event or some vlog and then they just need to type to them via your youtube or instagram official account. And them being minors plus youtuber being an idol/role model for those kids puts the youtuber in a pretty powerful position.
What did he think the wealth, public relations and networks were for? Did he really believe it was just a byproduct of bills Bill's enormous desire to help people get better computers and improve lives? 🤡
I refuse to have any outrage over me-too or this. They were not 5yo - you can dress and makeup 17yo to look like 20yo.
There is no free lunch - seems that it works especially when you’re rich.
You’re at a party and some young hot lady wants to have sex with you - probably an underage honeypot to extort money from you.
You invite young actress/celebrity to your apt - then have sex - watch out, either you tape everything or rape accusation possibly incoming - everyone loves the victim, free clout for her maybe even some money from settlements etc.
Sure, lot’s of weirdos and shitty people out there - but the tactic of “shut up or rape/pedo charges against you” is ridiculously effective and with “false accusation doesn’t really cost you” it’s basically free to throw around even for not-very-rich-but-undesirable people. I hate it and it made me automatically not believe any “rape”/“pedo” headline. I wonder sometimes if that is intended psy-op or just the side effect of overusing it.
If we are to consider pedophilia as a type of sexual orientation then it's likely he always wanted to fuck a child, but either never could or thought he wouldn't get away with it until the moment he did.
Nobody wants to consider pedophilia a type of sexual orientation except pedophiles. Pedophilia is an illness. But this isn't even pedophilia. It's child rape, which is worse. There are pedophiles in the world that don't act on their desires, that know they are wrong but are too scared to try and get psychiatric help. People that don't want to hurt children but are nevertheless sexually attracted to them. The rich people that raped kids on Epstein's Island did so as an expression of their power and immunity to consequences. It wasn't about sexual attraction, it was about abuse for the sake of abuse. It's not illness, it's evil.
I've never understood this. I'm not disagreeing with you, but it sounds completely insane to me that someone can willingly have sex with a child and *not* be a pedophile. Does having power just turn off the part of the brain that makes you not want to fuck kids?
yea, it's not an orientation. i think for a small percentage of people, it's a legitimate mental illness. i think for most of them, it's a way to hurt people and feel powerful, because it functions pretty much the same, and usually in parallel with, domestic violence.
is beating your wife a "sexual orientation"? anybody who thinks pedophilia is a sexual orientation is a nitwit.
Hi, on behalf of the LGBT community, I need to inform you that "pedophile" isn't a sexual orientation. The pedos tried to paint themselves as yet another sexual orientation, and we said "Fuck off."
Power->hyper comfort->no chance to exercise inner courage->become overwhelmed by the big bad world->lose faith in self and all adults -> put all hope in children of the future, put child on pedestal->alienate self from wife -> become horny -> take comfort inclusive of child -> functionally become incapable of reconciling what they’ve done -> seek out like minded, find excuses, and people who reinforce those excuses basically for pay, while also ignoring the child interference,
That’s about it I think
Addictions tend to escalate. Sex is no different. They start off banging models. After awhile that gets boring to them so they do more deranged stuff. Eventually that gets old too. The end of that road tends to be children as they've already done everything else.
No, you don't. There are tons of smart people who aren't rich or powerful because they never had the opportunity to become so. Intelligence does not make one rich and powerful. Nepotism and evil does. If you're born with a head start, it's trivial to increase your wealth and power exponentially. If you don't have morals holding you back, it's easy to take advantage of others, cheat, lie, and steal and get away with it. It has nothing to do with intellect.
Yeah, no. Truly smart/curious people tend to become researchers, mathematicians, artists, that sort thing. It's the sociopathic ones who devote their entire being into amassing countless piles of cash they could never spend in 100 lifetimes. Being intelligent might be necessary to stockpile billions, but it sure as shit isn't the defining characteristic of these fucks.
I've seen a video that said something like, having a common secret creates the strongest unison of all, everyone who did it and knows the other did it too shares a bond that basically cannot be broken because they both dont want the other side to share. thus this makes super-rich pedo circles be so powerful, because they work together, because they have to. once ur in u don't get out so its a blessing and a curse. had the epstein list be a list for crimes of theft from these people it would have been revealed ages ago, because theft is something u can forgive rather easily. but because this connection is so strong and there are so many moving parts in it in high power positions it just won't happen.
the kind of people who are capable of becoming billionaires are usually amoral sociopaths and it doesnt take much for them to slip into degenerate behavior.
Pedophiles are notorious for actively seeking out positions of power and influence in an effort to evade consequences for their actions.
Most are unsuccessful but they’re already filtered out when talking about people in those positions. Hence they’re disproportionately high in the upper class
Power. People don't become billionaires by accident. They do it by intentionally seeking power and being willing to do unspeakable things to acquire that power. And when you have power, you want to exert it. What more potent way is there for a person to say "I have power over you" to another person than by raping them, knowing they can't do anything to prevent it, anything to report it, anything at all to make you face repercussions for your heinous actions? And the bigger the discrepancy in power, the more pleasurable the rape. What could possible be more vulnerable and powerless than a child? It's not that pedophiles are more likely to become rich. It's that rich people, by definition, possess the traits that make them want to rape children.
My personal theory, regardless of whether Gates did anything beside have shitty judgment in who to associate with, is if you get that rich you can do whatever you want that you get bored and might go down the road into doing terrible shit like hunting people for sport or diddling kids. The answer is once you cross the billion dollar threshold, you get a medal for winning capitalism, your face on a mountain, and you get executed and all your assets seized.
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