Reserve Rules at SWA | TheaterFire

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Gen_Vila@reddit

Post contract rules are rather good. I bid 50% in base and get outbid on weekday reserve lines lately so they can actually go a little senior. Highlights include: -12 Hour Rap -2 Hour Call out (if you agree to come in at less than two hours, you get paid close parking and "premium for the day) -15 work days maximum per month -Lineholder protections once assigned (meaning pay overrides if resigned) -Reserve assignments tradable with company open time and other pilots -Call outs are based on Seniority AND utilization (So if junior guy was used today, tomorrow they would call the more Senior guy with less days used this month) -No airport standby -No "breaking guarantee" (Being used will ALWAYS result in more pay. 6.0 minimum for a reserve day, 6.5 min if used, and pay multiples for reasignment stack on top of minimum pay

Some reserve guys I fly with credit 120 to 140 TFP just flying their reserve line. Some FO's schedules I've snooped on have a week or non use pretty often. Honestly I still want to try it myself with these new rules, but I won't work weekends to do it lol

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mtcomo@reddit

Very late to this thread but these all sound like great rules except for maybe the call out order. I suppose it's good so that the junior pilots don't get abused, but I would also think the senior reserve pilot should be able to exercise their seniority by preferencing whether they would like to be called last, or if they want to fly a lot, called first, irrespective of the utilization of other pilots.

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extra_flyer@reddit

Great info, thank you!

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TheLastLittleBuffalo@reddit

Do you mind explaining the 12 hour rap part? You get a call prior to the 2 hour short call?

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Gen_Vila@reddit

"Reserve Availability Period," meaning the time you're supposed go be avaliable to br called into work. Say if your RAP is 1100-2300, you have to be 2 hours from the airport and remain phone conctatable. At 2301 you can out it on silent and crack a beer.

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skylaneguy@reddit

lol as a JetBlue guy those reserve rules at SW sound terrible

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Baystate411@reddit

One company makes money, the other doesn't.

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skylaneguy@reddit

The RSV rules aren’t why JetBlue is losing money.

And those reserve rules suck regardless

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Baystate411@reddit

Youll be begging for SWAs reserve rules when JB starts furloughing, thats the point.

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skylaneguy@reddit

If JB furloughs I’ll make my side gig my full time gig.

I have no interest in flying regional routes for 6 legs a day on a 73 with a 2hr RSV call out.

You can keep it.

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Baystate411@reddit

I don't work at southwest but aight

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skylaneguy@reddit

Makes sense, your comment is giving Delta!

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Baystate411@reddit

Damn 0/2. Hope your side gig isn't a fortuneteller

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bcr76@reddit

Nobody cares about what JetBlue does in a thread asking about SWA.

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skylaneguy@reddit

Hey this was posted in a flying sub, get a life.

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ThatLooksRight@reddit

I’m not at WN, but I met a captain who lived in Atlanta, could have held the Atlanta base, but he commuted to Denver because he held a line in Denver and would have been on reserve in Atlanta.

I think that probably sums up reserve at WN.

Also, MCO is apparently one of their very junior bases right now.

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TurkishDrillpress@reddit

That means the guy you talked to is a dumbass.

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Kuchington@reddit

That speaks more about the intelligence of the guy you met rather than anything about the company or contract.

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Beneficial_Impact_73@reddit

I did that at the regional to fly and upgrade. I would never do that now.

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UnfortunateSnort12@reddit

I’ll add some stuff other people haven’t said.

On the FO side of things, you will fly with the people that other FO’s bang out sick on (the d bags of the base). That got really old when I was stuck on reserve for 3.5 years here. If you’re looking for a reserve job where you spend most the time at home, WN isn’t it. You are paid to work at this airline, so other than a few months when open time is slim pickings, you’re going to work most reserve days. The reserves also go out first, even if there are open time bidders (bidding premium)! There are certain situations where this isn’t the case. But you aren’t a last resort, you are part of schedule execution, and if they run out of reserves (all the time), then they just sweeten the open time credit, and we have enough whores that will do it. I’m really amazed at how it works.

All in all, I don’t bid reserve as I’m close ish to upgrade, but I need to try it again on slow months. It’s way better than the regionals, but you will be working most days.

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trucktober2021@reddit

This is on the FO side and can’t speak to the CAs much. If you live in base reserve is pretty good. Average reserve lines 15 on, all short call (2hrs) no airport standby bs like regionals but no long call either. You typically end up not getting used for at least a few days, most months I see at least one whole 3 or 4 day block not getting used. You also typically end up with higher pay on reserve due to being rerouted and accruing more premium pay on trips. The reserve rules are also decent as far as callouts times and again gaining premium by reassignments. You can own assigned trips as well so once you’re assigned you are treated the same as any line holder. Min day is slightly lower if you’re not called but again living in base is worth staying home I think. Also just introduced trip trading with reserve so if you don’t like your line you can (theoretically) trade with other blocks to move days off you may want. This just started so we’ll see how it works out. DAL and HOU are senior for FOs right now and I really can’t say how long you can expect to wait. AUS base opening soon will change up a lot of that though, they’re going to displace from almost every base if enough people don’t bid into it so if hired Im assuming you could at least hold Austin. But right now most senior to junior probably are DAL, HOU, ATL, PHX, DEN, LAX, LAS, OAK the rest all pretty junior. Not sure exactly where new hires will go with the Austin opening. It’s miles better than regionals but without long call it’s not great for anyone living out of base, I only commuted for 2 months when I was hired and was able to fly every block and got a hotel maybe once. Now I voluntarily bid reserve at least 4-5 months out of the year and weekday reserve lines will go fairly senior. But how many we hire in the next year or two will have a large impact.

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Desperate_Exercise13@reddit

We have pilots that left SWA because of reserve rules and how long they would be on reserve.

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jewfro451@reddit

I am not at WN.

But historically its only short call reserve, 2hr call out. 15 days off a month on reserve guaranteed.

Dont shoot me about the bases, but these are my best guesses from what i recall:

Junior bases is hit and miss. During the hiring peak it was LAX, BWI, LAS, OAK.

Now it seems: hard BWI, little LAX, little OAK, either MCO or ATL (was slightly junior). Seems like AUS is targeted for a lot of growth.

Senior bases: DAL, DEN, HOU. Mid tier is MDW & PHX?

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rFlyingTower@reddit

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Any SWA pilots want to share some insight on reserve life? What are the rules like?

Also: what bases are going junior? What does hobby / DAL look like?

Thanks in advance!

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