Why does Gnome get so much hate but KDE Plasma doesn't?
Posted by TheShadowSong@reddit | linux | View on Reddit | 127 comments
I'm constantly seeing people who hate on Gnome and praise KDE Plasma due to customization aka ricing.
Many people say that someone coming from Windows should go to KDE Plasma but I think that Gnome with dash to panel and taskbar extension is far closer to Windows 11's round and minimalistic aesthetics while KDE Plasma is a bit closer to Windows 10 or even Windows 95 like XFCE.
I personally find Gnome with a couple of extensions to be far more aesthetic, intuitive and polished than stock clunky experience from KDE Plasma.
While ricing can make it better, it also makes it more likely to break.
I know many people say that Hyprland and Wayland are much more optimized and compatible with KDE Plasma and that it allows android plugin.
I personally can't enjoy anything other than Gnome + dash to panel + taskbar.
I know that it's all subjective but what's are your opinions and experiences?
Efficient_Paper@reddit
One problem with GNOME s that many users feel it’s incomplete without extensions and extensions break every six months, making it annoying on non-LTS distros.
Another thing is that GNOME is a lot more opinionated than Plasma. Some GNOME devs (probably only the most vocal ones) tend to have a "my way or the highway" attitude that can rub people the wrong way. That would be fine if GNOME weren’t so adamant in their intentions to have everyone adopt their ideas (I get the impression from watching Brodie Robertson regularly that GNOME devs stall or nack a lot of useful Wayland protocols)
Traditional_Hat3506@reddit
Brodie is a pedophile https://x.com/eepyk1tt3nz/status/1959708712316367086?s=20
ballshitter900@reddit
?
Nelo999@reddit
There is zero evidence to support those ridiculous allegations.
That is nothing more than another pathetic attempt at stirring up a moral panic to induce character assassinations with zero proof.
CatoDomine@reddit
Yes. And OP explicitly states in their post that they use extensions to get gnome to behave how they want it to.
C1REX@reddit
For me there is a summary of lots of small stuff. Like I have HDR toggle on KDE but not on Gnome. I can set 135% scaling on KDE but not on Gnome. KDE comes with super cool apps like Spectacle or KDE ISO burner when Gnome’s versions are worse in my opinion.
nekunae@reddit
The only 2 gnome versions i prefer it's software and disks
TheShadowSong@reddit (OP)
I just hate ugly sharp and boxy design with clutter on KDE that is not present on Gnome.
ricjuh-NL@reddit
You can change that with 1 or 2 clicks in the settings, instead of needing to rely on extensions to do it for you.. So yeah KDE is better then Gnome
TheShadowSong@reddit (OP)
Not really. Even then menus and icons will look more robust.
No-Priority-6792@reddit
Gnome is trying to be simple but lacks useful features by default. You need an extension just to show the dock on the desktop.
Also try using gnome on a 11" inch laptop with 768p screen resolution. You'll know the basic answer why people hate gnome
TheShadowSong@reddit (OP)
I use it on pc and I just install 1 extension and it's perfect for my usage.
Substantial-Sea3046@reddit
gnome + dash to panel + taskbar... you have pointed the problem with gnome... the default gnome interface is a pain to use by default for the average user. and extensions can break with update.
I worked on IT helpdesk, 99% of users want an accessible/direct taskbar and icons; the GNOME developers think it's a good idea to persist against the general consensus. My grandfather wants icons and a taskbar that are immediately visible; he doesn't care about keyboard navigation or tiled windows.
TheShadowSong@reddit (OP)
That's definitely true but installing 1 extension is easier than spending 3 hours customizing every aspect of kde except for taskbar.
Neither_Special_4008@reddit
i set up my surface to run Kubuntu and love it, able to configure touchscreen, keypad, and a windows 11 like look in hours with keeping the workflow the same. the floating taskbar in the middle and system settings are super familiar coning from windows
Embarrassed_Egg9542@reddit
Never liked Gnome and I hated having to use it for some Gnome specific apps. KDE was an excellent productivity desktop back in the day - late 90s, better than windows, with its multiple desktops and multitasking panels. Till it stopped. Plasma is the much needed upgrade KDE and linux needed, but it is still heavy on the machine
ahferroin7@reddit
First off, consider that you can make KDE Plasma look and in many cases function like GNOME without needing almost anything outside of a standard KDE Plasma install other than a theme, but it’s essentially impossible to make GNOME look and function like KDE Plasma without making vast, sweeping changes to the GNOME source code.
GNOME is extremely opinionated. If you don’t like the way it does things, then too bad, this is the only way it can do things. Maybe you can install some extensions to make it do things closer to the way you think it should, but good luck when GNOME itself is updated, because those extensions will most likely break because of API changes when that happens.
You yourself kind of highlight this in that you insist on using extensions that add behavior that is just a matter of configuration on almost every other desktop environment (including KDE Plasma).
And the thing is, this is a matter of the developers refusing to acknowledge how most of their users actually use their software. Most people using GNOME are using something like dash to panel or dash to dock, but the developers refuse to add this as native functionality. Same for most other popular extensions, lots of people use them, but the GNOME developers refuse to add them as native functionality.
KDE in general, and Plasma specifically, is not like that. In fact, extensions aren’t even really a thing that most KDE users would even consider, with the notable exception of a handful of things for improving tiling behavior, because in a majority of cases, KDE almost certainly supports doing what you want. In your specific case? The default panel layout is close to what you’re getting out of Dash to Panel, and the overall layout including most of what you get out of the TaskBar extension is five minutes or so of work with the panel editor.
herzeleid02@reddit
no, you cannot make KDE behave like GNOME, not really. it will be janky. Second, what most users? Ubuntu users dont really count -- GNOME extensions like Dash To Dock arent really needed. Opinionated? Good. The experience is solid, not unlike KDE with tons of buttons that you dont want to press to avoid risk destroying your desktop.
Pretend-Lifeguard932@reddit
I personally enjoy vanilla gnome. Nice to just worry about what you're working on or doing without distractions.
herzeleid02@reddit
same
TheShadowSong@reddit (OP)
That's true but I was never able to make KDE look exactly like Gnome.
KDE has great customization but looks extremely clunky and boxy out of the box.
I just really like default Gnome.
xkcd__386@reddit
spot on!
ALLSEEJAY@reddit
As someone new to Linux. My first experience year ago was on Ubuntu. I thought this was good. Now I am actually switching to Linux. I started with gnome and quickly understood that I had to download an extension for everything I wanted to do customize. Ran into issues. I finally threw in the towel and tried out kde plasma. Man I am loving it. The freedom out the box was just astonishing. Pretty much whatever you’d want to do is possible and if it isn’t it’s hard to get it. It is a bit overwhelming learning things like widgets and such. But man. It’s a gem
Professional-Pen8246@reddit
Because GNOME sucks lmao
TheShadowSong@reddit (OP)
Proof?
akagu_su@reddit
The most interesting thing about this discussion about GNOME is how people confuse critics with hate. Nobody hates GNOME, but yes, people criticize GNOME a lot, and for good reasons.
GNOME is just bad. No matter what metrics you use, if you compare GNOME with modern UI/UX practices or use the well known and tested patterns from the last 40 years of UI/UX research, GNOME fails them all.
They not only chose the wrong patterns, the usually double down in the wrong patterns, and they refuse to acknowledge that, and they even refuse to talk to their own users about that.
If you observe how bad GNOME developers react to the criticism of their own users, usually ignoring them, or locking threads or even banning users from the discussion, you can assume that GNOME developers hate their users, and not the other way around.
manobataibuvodu@reddit
I would disagree. IMO they are the ones following UX practices the best. Some that come to mind: minimizing cognitive load (not overloading user with endless options and customization), consistency (even critics agree GNOME is best in consistency), immediate feedback (no need to click 'apply' button), visual hierarchy (good use of whitespace/padding/margin)
TheShadowSong@reddit (OP)
I mean, in every server there are people who are like "eww gnome" when you post a picture of it.
MaruThePug@reddit
Look at it this way: Over the years Gnome has had several forks that turned out to be incredibly popular, such as Mate and Cinnamon KDE has none. Sure there's Trinity but few people use it, and Sonic is still pretty new and a response to dropping X11 support.
manobataibuvodu@reddit
When people find a flaw in KDE, they add an option to change it.
When people find a flaw in GNOME a designer makes an opinionated decision.
Those who like GNOME project's vision use it stock. Those who like some parts but not others use it with extensions. Those that don't like it use other desktop environments, be it KDE, or the forks, or other projects.
But GNOME 3.0 released what, 15 years ago now? People should not expect GNOME to become like Cinnamon. It brings something unique to the table, and if you want Cinnamon then you can just use it.
fellowsnaketeaser@reddit
People, who want to tinker and Gnome does not give them enough rope => drama.
People, who don't want to tinker and KDE lets them do anything imaginable => whatever.
TheShadowSong@reddit (OP)
I did a ton of ricing on KDE Plasma and I could never make it look as clean and polished as Gnome.
manobataibuvodu@reddit
That's because there's more to good UX than a simple theme change and moving around some widgets.
GNOME HIG (https://developer.gnome.org/hig/principles.html) is just superior.
fellowsnaketeaser@reddit
Which probably is why people don't care so much for 'ricing' on gnome. It is good as it is, does not get in the way and has killer looks.
FlailingIntheYard@reddit
Ever stop listening to a band after you met them and got to know them as people? It's like that.
Material_Mousse7017@reddit
GNOME power is in it's simplicity.
especially settings page is so organized compared to KDE's settings page.
TheShadowSong@reddit (OP)
I could never make my KDE look as good as Gnome.
Material_Mousse7017@reddit
I don't understand who downvote you. you only said your opinion and your preferences.
fearless-fossa@reddit
I mean, tha's because Gnome doesn't allow you to customize much.
ingmar_@reddit
... and is still bloated AF.
bawng@reddit
I use Gnome + Dash2panel for work and KDE Plasma for home and I think the KDE experience is far more stable and nice.
I don't care at all about ricing though, so perhaps that would be different.
But every now and then a Gnome update breaks something with extensions. It's eventually fixed, but it's annoying nonetheless. Gnome always blame the extension authors, which I guess they're right to do since there's no locked ABI, but regardless of whose fault it is my experience is lacking.
The fact that Gnome doesn't just incorporate the most popular extensions as built-in options is just dogma by this point. It's their way or nothing, despite the fact that a large portion of their user base disagree.
I certainly don't hate Gnome and I love that they exist and I love their code of conduct stuff, but I am quite annoyed with their attitude towards their users and anyone who disagree with their vision.
TheShadowSong@reddit (OP)
Gnome with dash to panel and taskbar extension is peak for me.
Vooham@reddit
So your post said all this is “subjective” and you asked for opinions, and now you’re arguing with everyone who makes a pro-Plasma point.
I just helped my friend get rid of Gnome 3 and configure Plasma to match his workflow as a researcher who likes to drag around a lot of windows while he authors complex analyses. Win 11’s “round and minimalistic” experience (WTF?) was not a factor.
TheShadowSong@reddit (OP)
How am I arguing? I'm just comparing subjective opinions. Where am I attacking anyone?
johncate73@reddit
My opinion is that you should use what you like, let others do the same, and not make silly posts on Reddit that amount to "I think (enter DE of choice) is great and you should too!"
iapitus@reddit
I think there is one big reason and two smaller drivers between more vocal gnome hate vs kde/plasma:
market share - pretty much all of the big distros default to gnome, or a gnome derivative
a corollary to (1) - the open source companies all invest heavily in the gnome ecosystem and kinda feel like they'd be happier if kde would just go away
the question of "opinionated" - gnome (particularly since 3) has taken a very "take things away" approach - and the devs have been resistant to customization to the point of hostility
It's worth noting that while there are countless DEs and WMs at this point, the gnome/kde debate has been going on for over 25 years.
580083351@reddit
I dislike Gnome because it had bad fractional scaling for ages.
Also because many GTK apps aren't as nice as ones made with Qt.
Then there's the layout.. if I want to select an application I have to scroll through a list of icons to find it? OK.
Gnome only exists because of a license interpretation issue with Qt years ago.
TheShadowSong@reddit (OP)
KDE didn't properly scale my cursor nor font.
580083351@reddit
For cursor size, that's in Appearance>Cursors you can set the size you want.
For fonts, Appearance>Fonts. Set the size you want.
You can also set overall zoom Hardware>Display if you don't want to use 100%.
PhotographingNature@reddit
KDE gets a lot of criticism. Normally in the form of 'tried it, kept crashing, gone back to something else '.
Most of Gnome's criticism seems to come from people still using it (either by choice or lack of choice) who dislike choices the Gnome team have made .
BinkReddit@reddit
I've never had a crash.
TheShadowSong@reddit (OP)
KDE was a disaster for me. It looked ugly adn more I tried to rice it, more it kept breaking.
voidpo1nter@reddit
Two reasons, I think:
Most people want familiarity and are migrating from Windows. Plasma lets them just use their machine to get things done. IMHO the "customization" of plasma gets routed as a big reason to use it, but it's highly overrated.
GNOME's default setup feels at odds with using it on a desktop. I randomly decided to take the "make it my own" route with GNOME extensions and it's a totally different workflow than default. I actually prefer it greatly over the tiling window managers I had been using for years prior.
BinkReddit@reddit
Totally disagree; this allows me to use the full-blown Plasma, customize it to my workflow, and don't worry about things breaking with the next update.
TheShadowSong@reddit (OP)
I like w11 over w10 and with Gnome + dash to panel + taskbar I feel right at home while with KDE Plasma I feel like I'm on some clunky Windows 95.
voidpo1nter@reddit
GNOME with my chosen extensions (ArcMenu as runner, auto tiling, system tray, GSConnect, blur my shell, caffeine) blows anything I've ever used out of the water. I don't miss i3wm or sway at all.
TheShadowSong@reddit (OP)
Gnome with extensions is perfect imo.
L0cut15@reddit
I think that Plasma is much closer to Windows in most workflows which makes it easier for some users. It's more customizable which some people like. I personally find it antiquated.
Gnomes design philosophy is much more task oriented, closer to a mobile device. Cleaner as a result.
I run Gnome with two extensions and am super happy. I'm starting to like Hyperland a lot on high resolution displays. I'm mostly use command line an TUI's because I'm old. To each their own.
BinkReddit@reddit
And this is one of the main reasons why I don't use Gnome; I have a 4K display, not a four inch screen, and KDE allows me to fully utilize it.
cwo__@reddit
Plasma's customizability is not about ricing. Ricing is possible, and we'll try to support it where it doesn't affect other things negatively, but it's secondary at best.
People have different workflows, different hardware, different mental models, different physical capabilities, different mental strengths, different habits etc.
Plasma tries to work sensibly by default, but allowing you to adjust things so that they fit your personal needs. All with first party support, and working together as well and as conveniently as we can manage.
https://develop.kde.org/hig/powerful_when_needed/#customization-increases-reach
I think this is a misconception rooted in how ricing is more visible in screenshots.
BinkReddit@reddit
This, and the fact of you can make small changes without an extension that might break on the next release is a win.
Leading_Yam1358@reddit
GNOME is really nice, I just don’t like it doesn’t fully align with Wayland.
shadedmagus@reddit
I stopped reading here, because for me this goes right to the heart of my dislike for GNOME. I should not have to install extensions to get basic WM functionality.
I'd go into more detail, but thankfully someone else did it for me.
kr_abhi55@reddit
Both sucks so I'm planning to build new desktop environment called vayu using rust, wayland,skia
Azealo_@reddit
Daring today aren't we
kr_abhi55@reddit
?
ingmar_@reddit
Look. “I'll build new desktop environment“ is like a civil engineer saying he'll build a nuclear reactor in the garage. How hard can it be, really?
shadedmagus@reddit
It does have that Radioactive Boy Scout vibe, but I think trying to build a new DE is less dangerous.
JoeB-@reddit
Relevant xkcd comic…
https://xkcd.com/927/
amirfarzamnia@reddit
That would be super hard but if you can make it, then it would be amazing. Cosmic's stable release just came out but I found it to be trash
rebelSun25@reddit
Very nice. I hear these things are easy to do.
kr_abhi55@reddit
How is it easy?
ingmar_@reddit
Would you recognize sarcasm if it hit you over the head with a shovel? Inquiring minds want to know.
banana_slurp_jug@reddit
GNOME is opinionated. This means that the developers and designers expect users to operate it in a certain way. The advantage is that once you get into the intended workflow, you have a level of integration unseen on any other desktop environment/application stack apart from perhaps Steam's Big Picture mode. The disadvantage is that outside of the recommended workflow, using GNOME and GNOME components is a pain in the neck to integrate properly, which causes problems when a large fraction of all Linux-native apps target GNOME specifically.
On the other hand, KDE is relatively unopinionated. You can rearrange the panels where you want, add whatever widgets (aka. "plasmoids") in KDE Plasma. You can theme it in whatever compatible Qt theme you want. You can completely customise the UI of all KDE apps except those which use the Kirigami library. You can make it look and feel somewhat like any desktop environment you want. However this comes at the cost that nothing feels as well-integrated as GNOME. Features like fingerprint sensor and ambient light sensor support takes a few releases to integrate into KDE after GNOME. But it allows you to address all UI-related pain points by being extremely malleable. Also it helps that KDE looks and feels kinda like Windows.
In other words, most users have less to hate about KDE plasma and most points can be easily personalised away. However some users like myself prefer GNOME for feeling less janky overall and being better integrated, even though some pain points are uncircumventable.
natermer@reddit
Because Gnome is the most popular desktop.
And people think that if Gnome becomes unpopular then the software they like will become popular and get better support as a result.
They operate under illusion that open source software is political in nature and they can control what software gets attention through shit posting on forums.
They are wrong on all counts.
TheShadowSong@reddit (OP)
I like using Gnome a lot but I do wish it maybe allowed more customization but I also like Windows 11 aesthetics over Windows 10 while most people don't.
doc_willis@reddit
people hate on kde as well.. people love to hate on anything and everything.
Isofruit@reddit
KDE making change does not fill an entire media cycle worth of articles about how they're physically castrating software features. Gnome does. I agree that there is both, but the quality of gnome hatred is something else.
TheShadowSong@reddit (OP)
That's true but not to the same level in popularity.
MatchingTurret@reddit
People hate change. Something changes for no reason that they can see, they complain. Gnome has undergone some deep changes. KDE has changed much more gradual, so it's users have less to complain about.
Scheeseman99@reddit
It's well within the rights of any software project to go with an opinionated design philosophy. In a lot of ways I respect the approach.
But the thing about an opinion is that you'll always find someone with an opposing one. I don't think it's common that there are people feeling entitled to influence the direction of Gnome as much as they feel they have the right to criticize it, which they do. The developers are free to ignore it, the users are free to use KDE or whatever else instead.
Isofruit@reddit
There is criticizing, which I do respect, and then there is the outright hysteria that follows Gnome making any sort of design decision that is much more prevalent when any kind of discussion or even semi controversial decision comes up, after which said Users tend to proudly proclaim how they aren't using gnome in the first place and that it's hot garbage.
Right now we are undergoing social media discourse on Gnome deciding to change a GUI-configurable default (not remove, just change) about whether middle-click means paste or not. Which the Gnome devs are doing with the contemplation on moving that config into gnome-settings potentially as well. And that gets turned into "Gnome castrates middle-click-pasting".
If people flamed KDE for breathing as much as they do Gnome this would be a toxic hellhole beyond belief.
ingmar_@reddit
And they do. And the criticize Gnome for it. QED.
PristineLawyer2484@reddit
Interesting point, thank you for pointing this out.
From where I stand, the problem with open source and the reason why the ”year of Linux on the desktop” will never arrive is that the user community are the customers and they very much do need to have a say, otherwise they vote with their feet.
EmberQuill@reddit
For a lot of people, that's a win for KDE. Many people, myself included, don't actually like Windows 11's aesthetics. Personally, I despise Gnome's "round and minimalistic" design. It looks like something made for touchscreens.
Also, comparing Gnome with extensions to stock KDE is a bit unfair, isn't it? How does the stock Gnome experience compare? Personally, I use stock KDE. No extensions, default Breeze theme, minimal customization (I think the only things I changed in Plasma 6 were the icon theme and un-floating the taskbar, which took only a couple minutes).
Last time I used Gnome, the extension situation wasn't great, and Gnome updates frequently broke them. Is that still the case today?
TheShadowSong@reddit (OP)
That's understandable. I absolutely hated how 10 and 8 looked. I prefer 7 and 11.
I'm just saying that 2 extensions on Gnome take a lot less work than to customize whole KDE. You don't even need those 2 extensions and I think that it visually looks much more refined and polished.
Overall, I do think that KDE offers more than Gnome. I just hate everything how it looks stock on KDE and even after ricing it didn't look as good for me.
EmberQuill@reddit
Just curious after seeing you called KDE "clunky" in other replies, but what version of KDE did you try? I think Plasma 6 is very polished and not clunky at all. In fact, I usually find Gnome to be more difficult to use.
xkcd__386@reddit
good for you.
It takes all kinds to make a world. Me, I can't stand Gnome. XFCE all the way and dipping toes into KDE now.
One of the other comments nailed the root cause:
TheShadowSong@reddit (OP)
Damn, that's true. I can't stand KDE nor XFCE. It's funny how people differ. I'm just one of these people who like Gnome out of the box with maybe a couple of extensions.
bawng@reddit
But then it's not out of the box. You're basically extending Gnome into looking like KDE Plasma.
TheShadowSong@reddit (OP)
I like how everything on gnome looks, like windows, icons, buttons and menus. I just don't like that it doesn't have a taskbar. In order to solve this with KDE, I'd have to replace all icons, all shapes of windows and all animations mixed with menus.
bawng@reddit
Okay fair enough. I never really notice things like that.
If you gave me a screenshot of a Gnome windows and a KDE window I probably wouldn't be able to tell which was which without any context clues.
TheShadowSong@reddit (OP)
That's fair. I'm personally extremely perceptive and picky about aesthetic details.
MoobyTheGoldenSock@reddit
Both suck.
XFCE forever!
TheShadowSong@reddit (OP)
It's practical but ugly imo.
MoobyTheGoldenSock@reddit
Kind of a weird criticism because it's trivial to change the theme, but to each their own.
zardvark@reddit
My opinion is to use what you want and don't worry about tribal shenanigans. If you like Gnome, use Gnome. There are dozens of DE's, window managers and compositors for a reason ... everyone has different preferences.
TheShadowSong@reddit (OP)
I'm very satisfied with Gnome but everyone constantly says "eww you're using Gnome". I wish it had more customization but overall I prefer it a lot more.
zardvark@reddit
There ya go; problem solved. Use Gnome.
ingmar_@reddit
At some point GNOME ha
TheShadowSong@reddit (OP)
I wish Gnome had more customization but I think Gnome out of the box is nearly perfect.
ingmar_@reddit
Good for you. I think it's been nearly unusable since v3. So KDE or Xfce it is.
TheShadowSong@reddit (OP)
They're good but far too boxy and clunky for me.
ingmar_@reddit
Looks like your priorities are different than mine. Good thing we both get to choose!
CompetitiveSleeping@reddit
Saying Gnome is closer to Windows 11 isn't praise, to many, many Windows users. Saying KDE Plasma is closer to earlier Windows is.
TheShadowSong@reddit (OP)
I like w11 over w10 when it comes to aesthetics based on how clean and round things look.
ingmar_@reddit
If you value form over function, why not? Aesthetics are subjective anyway, but above all they must not get in the way of getting work done.
InnerRenault@reddit
People don't like being told what to do.
Gnome forces you to do things their way, and that's why people complain.
TheShadowSong@reddit (OP)
I've tried ricing KDE Plasma and it broke before I could make it look as polished and clean as Gnome.
Yama-k@reddit
It's the "There's a bug with this feature? Let's remove it" for me
xkcd__386@reddit
well at least they haven't got to "Are a lot of people using this/got used to it? Remove it"
:-)
Fuckspez42@reddit
KDE is too customizable for me and my ADHD. I’ll fiddle around with themes and tweaks for hours upon hours, but I never feel like I’m “done”.
GNOME (with a few critical extensions) is exactly what I want: it does what I ask it to do, then politely gets out of my way.
TheShadowSong@reddit (OP)
Exactly how I feel.
Plan_9_fromouter_@reddit
I appreciate the visions behind KDE, but mostly use Gnome.
TheShadowSong@reddit (OP)
Same.
Less_Party@reddit
Oh I shit on KDE whenever I can, it's the worst, like a nightmare echo of Windows Vista that refuses to die.
Samolxis@reddit
Gnome is run by cucks and kde by flurrys
ThunderingTyphoon_@reddit
People tend to dislike the most popular options, so sometimes they opt for the second or third most popular choice, and once that gains mainstream acceptance, they look to the next one. Gnome -> KDE, Ubuntu -> Mint/Arch
SylVestrini@reddit
One thing I need is scaling. 100% and 200% being the sole options is what has so far stopped me from distrohopping anything gnome related.
weirdallocation@reddit
I remember Gnome from the beginning, when Miguel de Icaza was the "main guy". It was shit then and he was an idiot as well, so I avoided using it.I still avoid it, but I haven't any strong feelings about it anymore.
CultivateDarkness@reddit
I like and use both. Plasma for desktop with mouse and GNOME on laptop with little mousepad interaction.
I find GNOME more beautiful and mimimalistic, but the devs, from what I've heard, have a very narrow idea on how their DE is to be used which is kind of limiting including some questionable decisions. Thank god they still allow customization though. The GNOME purists will argue, that GNOME without extensions is how it is meant to be used and everyone who uses extensions just doesn't understand the brilliant concept of GNOME and just tries to emulate their Windows/Mac OS experience. I guess this is very the "hate" comes from.
The most annoying part about Plasma, to me, is that the menu is kind of cluttered and it takes time to find the options that I look for. Not that I have to change them very often.
Irregular_Person@reddit
I've always felt more at home with KDE, but I'm not really sure how to quantify that. Honestly, it's been a long time since I've tried gnome so maybe I'd like it better these days.
Maleficent-One1712@reddit
I like both desktops and they both have strong and weak points. It mostly comes down on preference.
SpittingCoffeeOTG@reddit
After 20 years of using whatever I fancied at the moment, i settled on Plasma 5 and then 6 (and that's the case in last 6+ years), because the OOTB experience was good, it suits my workflows and also was among the quicker in adopting Wayland. The fact I can customize it heavily is also great for me.
I always loved Gnome 2 tho, it was great. Never fancied Gnome 3. I just find it's good at wasting space in menus. But this is all just heavily subjective. No one is forced to use one or the other.
PristineLawyer2484@reddit
I mainly use Linux in servers now, and I use Gnome because it’s the default and I can’t be bothered to change the DE. Even in this way Gnome is highly limiting and annoying I just got used to its shortcomings.
If I were to use a Linus Desktop like I did 20-30 years ago, I would use KDE for sure.
RoomyRoots@reddit
You really interpreted that wrong. People hate Gnome because they are prone to broke a lot of things since Gnome 3, disregard most feedback and are quite notorious on blocking or ignoring people that try arguing one the need for stability. There is a reason so many GTK alternatives appeared since Gnome 2 and why projects like XFCE took a long time to upgrade the toolkit version.
On the ricing thing, they have officially stated that theming is not recommended and that breaking extensions due to changes in APIs is not their problem. Also many people don't like the fact they are forced to use extensions to replicate basic things that all DE and some WMs offer.
vagrantprodigy07@reddit
Gnome's basic setup is very dissimilar to Windows, whereas KDE is very similar to Windows. Drop the random 70 year old on both, and they will be able to work on KDE, and confused by Gnome. Can you set Gnome up to be as familiar? Sure, but that's not the default.