They had a toxic relationship. He was controlling and had depression. She was sleeping around and had depression. She claimed he abused her. After the allegations all his friends turned their back on him and made him quit the company he helped create. His sister said his last words were that he wished the best for her and his ex friends. Fuck all of them
Just reading the top threads, stumbled into this one. I know many of the people involved in this story personally. Alec was a very complicated person, but I can corroborate that most of this is true, and what I can't corroborate, well, I believe it. I miss the guy and it's not like I'd say that he was evil, but he was definitely a piece of work.
Sure, believe people who got rich and made several companies off a guy who took his life while mocking him all the way. All their evidence was just “trust us bro” like the one you provided. The only mistake he did was surround him self with jealous back stabbers and offing himself before taking them to court.
You dont have to believe, because he didnt provide his side and just gave in to pressure and offed himself so its all one sided “evidence”. But it sure is convenient that his sister and her got all his personal shit, got rich and made several companies not to mention industry support.. Certainly nothing suspicious.
So everyone around him is the villain instead of him. Including the closest people in his life for acknowledging that the human they loved was a deeply troubled and flawed individual.
Also multiple corroborating accounts across different groups of people that never interacted each other is not trust us bro, it’s legal acceptable evidence in court
Like come on man, you really are just ignoring all the facts to hate on this girl for no stupid reason than people on the internet told you to be mad
The closest people around him.. man sure nice that it was Zoe and his sister. No need to project internet mentality on me bro, do some osint or watch people who have done that. It all depends on how biased you are anyway.
Did you know him, Zoe or his sister? I assume no, which means you and many like you are unironically on her side just because others are. What you fail to realise that im not in his or any others side either. I am however stating observations. Its the victims of abuse that are prone to self harm not the abuser fyi.
He wasn't just toxic, he was beating her and holding her hostage in his house. He was a friend she was visiting to work on a game together, wasn't even her boyfriend.
Also, she was accused of sleeping with journalists for reviews by her bitter ex, a completely separate person. There was never any evidence that she actually did this. The journalist he accused her of sleeping with never actually reviewed her game.
Read the Wikipedia article on Gamergate and you'll find almost everything they said about this woman was a lie.
LMAO "Read the Wikipedia article on Gamergate and you'll find almost everything they said about this woman was a lie" Awh yes! Wikipedia! the most reliable source of information on the web!
wikipedia is highly moderated and generally very reliable. it’s just not a good source for research papers etc. as it can change often and is simply a summary of other sources so it’s better to just cite the source that wikipedia used
>Read the Wikipedia article on Gamergate and you'll find almost everything they said about this woman was a lie
same vibes
https://preview.redd.it/gy6ubm6xynbg1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=c8b4e74ac4396983a77871cb117289d7970a9fe4
Yeah, of course you remember it well, everyone remembers the claims well, that doesn't mean you actually had a clear perspective back when it happened. Maybe you should read it, you don't seem to know the real story.
"She must've been guilty because hair dye women"
This is what you're up against. No amount of evidence or reasoning, like that he was notably abusive to everyone around him and mentally ill and that she got wrangled in and victimized by bad luck will assuage the Gamer Rage.
> hair dye women
It's crazy to me how triggered people get by other choosing to temporarily change their hair. Especially since I personally think dyed hair looks dumb in most cases, but it's such a minor and purely cosmetic thing, judging people for it is so stupid.
Basically the situation with the Door Dash lady. I have no clue what’s going on now, but for a point in time, there was literally zero evidence she pushed open the door. But people saw the videos of her screaming after she lost her job and her reaction pissed them off on a personal level. It didn’t matter that the claim she opened the door was unsubstantiated; they still spread it because they *wanted* her to have done it. She became a person to just hate and bandwagon on for fun. There were cropped pictures going around to make it look like the door had been closed. There were AI videos made mocking her.
She definitely fucked up posting the original video and whether the whole thing constituted as sexual assault like she claimed is dubious, but that’s not what people primarily criticized her for.
Talking about Grayson or Quinn in the contest of that one article is beyond misleading, since they both have been involved in an absurd number of apparent conflicts of interest. In the context of an absurd number of journalist CoIs.
Gaming press is kinda irrelevant at this point, but if you think they came out of Gamergate looking good I have a bridge to sell you.
>There was never any evidence that she actually did this.
That was never disputed, she admitted it herself — the whole reason the "bitter ex" knew is because she told him, you can see screencaps in his famous blog post of her admitting to five affairs.
Not even the Kotaku article where then-EiC Stephen Totilo defends his journalist Nathan Grayson disputes this, he just says the affair happened one week after the article — which is probably inaccurate, but either way irrelevant, because Quinn and Grayson had a long-going friendly relationship which should've been disclosed either way.
BTW, people checking Greyson's work and socials [uncovered at least 11 times he apparently covered friends or people he had financial ties with](https://deepfreeze.it/journo.php?j=nathan_grayson).
Quinn's gaming press coverage has also been very often coming from friends. There are [at least fourteen cases](https://bonegolem.wordpress.com/2016/09/06/the-conflicts-of-interest-of-the-journalists-covering-zoe-quinn/) of apparent conflicts of interest. And, as I write in the article, nine of those I literally found myself, without looking, because I was investigating a different scam — you literally stumble on those because they're a
>The journalist she was accused of sleeping with never reviewed her game.
That's a bullshit argument that I keep seeing and makes no sense. No one ever said Grayson had reviewed "Depression quest", the issue was that [the article in question](https://archive.is/mrVxK), allegedly about a failed convention, turned into a Quinn hagiography and gave her space to publicize her own convention (which she took donations for and never made, essentially being a scam). While he was, in the very best case scenario, at least in extremely friendly terms with her.
>Read the Wikipedia article on Gamergate and you'll find almost everything they said about this woman was a lie.
The wikipedia article is beyond controversial, with an incredibly messy story behind it, and it's probably the worst source you could possibly use.
That, and mainstream media being equally corrupt. Once you read a bit about journalistic best practices, your head will spin at just how shit the situation is.
There's a good reason why so much of the best information comes from Youtube channels, twitter accounts… meme subreddits…
Should boggle your mind that the arguably best source of info on current conflicts is [a gaming youtuber](https://www.youtube.com/@PerunAU).
> Should boggle your mind that the arguably best source of info on current conflicts is a gaming youtuber.
Except not really, when you consider what his day job (potentially) is.
Yeah, Perun is a defense consultant who happened to have an autist strategy games gaming channel.
But the point still stands. Like, twitter accounts of people tracking pizza parlors near the pentagon... you get the idea.
Accuse journalist of malpractice
Malpracticing journalists band together to create articles that lie about your relationship
Wikipedia only takes journalist articles as a source
Gg now you're actually the abuser btw
There was something somewhere, an allegation that he forced her by the pussy to walk around like a wheelbarrow. Which if true, jesus christ. And if not, who comes up with that, someone share if ya know what im referring to, i dont remember the specifics. But i was pretty confused all around
Alec Holowka. She made up SA claims and with all shit hitting the fan he altf4ed himself. Later she admitted she faked the claims and NOTHING happened to her.
> Later she admitted she faked the claims and NOTHING happened to her.
Oh that's pretty big. Then the whole gamergate thing is still built on lies, but they were retroactively right that she's a shitty person. Gonna look up some more stuff on that
Because it didn’t happen. Everyone close to him basically said this was a very common pattern of behavior for him. Even his own sister said he probably did it. All his best male friends said he was highly erratic and abusive.
He was a deeply troubled person who hurt many people
The part about her admitting to faking the SA claim was made up my incels. She didn't really speak about it publicly thst much after the other girls came forward with the same claims.
The guy who made night in the woods killed himself after Zoe Quinn, the woman in the thread pic, accused him of abusive behavior when they were roommates. The development team behind NITW cut ties & fired him after he was accused which is what people think did it.
Apparently he wasn’t involved much with the writing. Someone linked a post by Scott Benson, who did most of the l work on it, where he discussed his experiences with Alec. Alec apparently did a lot of the coding parts, but the writing almost all came from Scott’s experiences, and, in fact, Alec couldn’t understand a lot of it.
https://medium.com/@bombsfall/alec-2618dc1e23e
Is the link
This is omitting some serious context.
1. Multiple women accused him of similar shitty behavior
2. Multiple counts of evidence were presented to the company which they believed were solid enough that they could fire him. And he/his family never attempted to sue for damages of wrongfully employment/death, which if it were just baseless accusations they absolutely have a case on. Remember he was employed in Canada not the US. They have much much stricter employment laws and they cannot just fire you based of he said she said stuff. You must have actual concrete evidence that would hold up in court. It’s not an at will employment.
3. His own sister said he probably did do the things that Zoey accused him from, and that they were a result of his own past experiences with abuse. He was extremely mentally unstable and as a result had frequent episodes where he would do unhinged shit/get violent. His own family admitted this.
It is tragic that he killed himself instead of getting the help he needed, but all evidence does point to the accusations being true and he probably took his life during a depressive episode.
Nah, probably the tipping point. I am sure getting kicked out of the company you founded and having your friends cut all ties with you probably is what did it.
Her: "this guy abused me"
Multiple other people: "this guy abused me"
His friends: "he's abusive"
His sister: "yeah he probably did it"
You: "he's the victim"
Cinema
The sheer amount of bullshit that is currently happening in America and American Politics that is indirectly tied to Gamergate and by extention, fourth wave Feminism and the big names that were floating around is honestly astounding. Like you can legit make a case of saying that both elections of Donald Trumps, a good chuck of Identity politics point talking, DEI management, YouTube reactionary content(this is the nicest way I have phrase this) and the Downfall of Hulk Hogan are the fallout of Gamergate.
I know that, I'm talking about the groups that pop from Gamergate that contributed to his elections. I bet you know of several men's rights grifters that hopped on and co-opted MGTOW movement like Fresh n Fit and that most definitely lead to Trump.
Nobody knows what Fresh n Fit is. Not even the conservatives i know know what is it. And the MGTOW movement is like 1% of the white male population. People who are chronically online on social medias (including reddit) think that what they see there is the reality. It's not. It's a fringe.
Gamergate also happened during 2014 and Biden yet was still elected
One way to know that this "feminism caused all of this" narrative is wrong, is simply by looking at how most western countries are shifting right even in those where gender war isnt a thing at all: it's because of bad economics and a perceived threat of migrants (whether legitimate or not), among other things.
Do any of you not realize how cringe this is? Events can transpire that have no connections to other events. This looks like a desperate attempt at self-importance for participating in the first GamerGate.
Activist liberalism just became over-reaching, cringe, and regarded. There was no policing of the regards on the left by the left so it looked like the entire left was that way. That's what led to young men hating the left. It's literally as simple as that.
I was about give a wordy response to this, like I had like 6 paragraphs typed up and while typing those paragraphs, I realized.. I'm a MF in his 30s typing up something that no doubtedly would start an argument with someone online about something that happened over a decade ago, I got better shit with my time
no material thing is ever completely disconnected from any other material thing
since everything is indirectly connected to everything, every event in the past is connected to every event from that point forward (and backward too but w/e), meaning at least a very thin causation can be pointed out
so a popular, complex event with many variables that spans over a large time period like gamergate can easily be memed like this
relation doesnt mean equivalency, meaning would only "collapse" in the way you describe if everything was the exact same
"A caused B" or "A is connected to B" dont mean "A is B and therefore there is only really A"
It did have a trickle down affect considering journos not in gaming, still reference gamergate as some sort of boogeyman that haunts them 10 years later.
It was a very successfull online harrassment campaign, in that even some folks not usually online or into gaming know about it
So obviously it changed politics completely and forever
That's the line the journalists tried to push.
Meaning, the same 'journalists' having their ethics and entire industry questioned by the people they then accused of harassment.
An industry that then collapsed over the next decade. Turns out gaslighting is a bad long-term strategy.
I've never read gaming outlets so I can't say I've every paid attention to those. But this whole Zoe Quinn story was hogwash, right? The guy she allegedly slept with to get a good review never wrote one, and the ex that supposedly said so never, in fact, did say so.
Is this the same thing we're talking about?
yes and no.
yes, this is the same thing that you're talking about.
no, this is not how the events occured but rsther the "carefully curated" and conveniently reframed and revisioned version of the events that journalists, politics and involved devs stick to
yes, actually it did.
Fascists infiltrated both the Tea Party and immensely expanded the online right by infiltrating gamergate (despite what anyone says it WAS originally about ethics in games journalism at the very beginning), weaponizing misogyny and various other beliefs. They create the bed that Trump then rooted himself in.
trump didnt win bc of identity politics. This culture war bs is not the main issue for majority of americans especially those that swinged to trump. They care about one thing: the economy. and they want change, systemic change and trump was an outsider who promised change which is why he won. Overall both gamer gate and trump are the result of the same thing which is why they seem to correlate, decline of capitalism.
\>Trump didnt win bc of identity politics
he 100% did, at least in part. One of the tells of conservatives has always been projection. So when they cried about the left and identity politics for years, you knew that they were just projecting due to the fact that Trump was 'their guy' and by 'their guy' they meant, male and white.
There wasnt 1 reason. But not wanting a very unpopular woman president after 8 years of a black guy was a HUGE part of it.
\>They care about one thing: the economy
yeah, but aren't smart enough to actually understand it, otherwise they'd know that Trump was the main cause of the inflation Biden spent 4 years taming, only for them to vote him in the ramp it up again. Cant wait till Powell's out and his plant just starts the money printer again.
conservatives care about identity politics. Majority of americans are not conservatives. Trump won not bc he got the vote of conservatives, he always had that as the republican candidate, he won bc he won the vote of the moderate, and that was bc he is an outsider promising change. Its that simple.
Yeah i never said they understood it. Just that it was the main reason behind their vote and messaging about the economy is all that matters. Mamdani knew this and played into it. Idk why everyone is downvoting me when its just very basic facts imo
again, my entire comment is on how he won despite majority of americans not being conservatives. Majority of americans favor gay marriage, majority are antidiscrimination, majority favor abortion, majority favor weed decriminilization, majority of americans want medicare, majority want to raise he minimum wage, majority want gun control, strong labour protections, stricter climate change action, protect voting rights. The reality is majority of americans do not fit into your neatly assigned boxes. The reason trump and biden win isnt that millions of people suddenly change their worldviews every few years. And that assumes they have coherent worldviews in the first place when they rarely care and are very much uninformed about most things. Trump won bc of the economy, and more generally bc the working class was dissatisfied with the economy and how things were going in their daily life and trump promised them change and played populism right. Its liberal copium to just blame the populus being bigots for the loss
Trump made the same promises for his first term, and he broke them, and then began slow implementation of all that you are saying the majority of americans are against.
If the majority of americans actually thought as you think they do, trump wouldn't have won a second term
again, you are assuming majority of americans have consistent worldviews which indicates you have never gone out to the street and talked to someone. Watch the interviews zohran did in his first campaign where he interviewed trump voters in new york. Most were not "conservatives". They are regular working people who didnt like it under biden, and while trump broke alot of those promises, it was better under him than it was under biden whether it was correlated to them is another question which is irrelevant. If you ask them they are all unique and often not consistent but they on average believe everything i listed.
I wish you were right. Because then there would be a reason to hope for the future. But most people really just want stability today and chance at a better tomorrow. Without those they default to wanting someone to blame. Trump gives an endless parade of nebulous “evil” groups of people to blame during a time when both stability and hope are fading. His campaigns lie flagrantly and play to the most extreme and unwell to appear grassroots. Sure he promised the impossible economically, but he never does any of it and that was always obvious to anyone capable of doing basic math. It’s just the excuse people use to themselves for being afraid and for liking his hate. That’s how he won. He played on people’s fears, lied with no shame, and gave them an excuse for hating people who aren’t like them. And with modern technology it’s been so effective that it’s changed the political game and broken America. For at least a generation I’d guess.
I'm sure the typical voter believes the questionably successful businessman socialite rapist from NYC is the one to usher in the end of late stage capitalism and fight for the common man.
i dont think you have very good reading comprehension if that is what you got from my comment. I never said the average person understands all this. Its a feeling of everything going to shit, its the realization when they look into their bank account, and they act on that feeling. Trump capitilized on that feeling. He didnt hold back, he speaked his mind, he looks like an outsider, and he succesfully convinced people be would bring change. I never said that it was bc he actually would just that he won bc people believed he would.
youre actually a specimen. im quite sure they are not remotely related. One has substance and relates to the conversation, the other is you being insufferable. But you get your ahah reddit we did it moment i really dont care dude
> (despite what anyone says it WAS originally about ethics in games journalism at the very beginning)
Are we talking about the stuff that kicked off with lies about Zoe Quinn, or some other movement/other moment?
Sure thing
https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/23/us/gamergate-harassment-reddit-twitter-cec
> Steve Bannon, Donald Trump's former White House strategist, saw Gamergate as a way to recruit disaffected young men into Trump's campaign, per a 2017 book by Bloomberg journalist Joshua Green.
>“You can activate that army,” Bannon told Bloomberg reporter Joshua Green in 2017. “They come in through Gamergate or whatever and then get turned onto politics and Trump.”
Banon was selling wow gold to make his connections, he was deep in the shit.
For Thiel
https://www.pointandclickbait.com/2016/08/gamergate-gawker-peter-thiel/
>For his part, McGuire says that there’s “no pressure” on Thiel to call him personally and thank him for his contribution, but it “would be nice”.
>“In a very real sense, gamers like me are the only reason Thiel was able to beat Gawker the way he did,” said McGuire. “But in another, even realer sense, the main reason is that he has a net worth of nearly $3 billion.”
Yeah it definitely did. A lot of our current post-truth post-civility status quo comes from GG.
For example, the whole thing started because Zoe Quinn's ex-boyfriend made a blog post where he claimed that Quinn slept with a journalist in exchange for a positive review. And despite her ex later openly admitting that he had no actual evidence that this happened, the response to those allegations was a wave of sexual harassment and death threats. In the years afterwards, the story has morphed from "Quinn's ex accused her of sleeping with a journalist in exchange for a positive review" to "Quinn slept with multiple journalists for reviews," transforming the unproven accusation into a fact and then expanding on it to make it even worse. All that to justify continuing to send death threats to some indie dev because people didn't like her game.
Then repeat the process again with her accusation of sexual assault against Alec Holowka years later. The way that situation is talked about today, she invented the accusations and actually recanted years later. In reality there was enough evidence for the rest of his development team to decide they were credible enough to cut ties, and then multiple other women came out with similar stories of him abusing them as well. But the invented version of the story persists because it justifies the continued abuse towards Quinn.
Yes. The social media coordinator for the Trump administration used it as a testing ground for for many of the strategies used to win both of his elections.
Woman in pic made the game Depression Quest. A game about what it's like to have depression. Most reviews of the game boiled down to, "it's very well written but not fun to play, which is probably the point." Her ex boyfriend started spreading the accusations that her game only got good reviews because she was having sex with games journalists. Of course, every male gamer in the world took his side and it blew up all over.
It's very stupid, but the tl; dr is that it basically started the constant "us vs them" mindset in a lot of spaces dominated by predominantly young men like Reddit and 4chan at the time.
Alongside the rising influence that the /pol/ board of 4chan had over the rest of the site alongside the internet as a whole in the coming years of the 2016 election, it's not an uncommon belief amoung those old enough and perpetually online that lived through it all that the original radicalization of people during the GG fiasco was the spring board for a lot of the stupid fucking hellscape shit the internet has gone through.
Like how Elon Musk, former presidential advisor, richest man on Earth, and owner of the largest social media site on the planet is an embarrassing human being concerned with looking cool to 14 year olds by naming his profile cringe shit like "Kekimus Maximus".
I think it is misguided to think that it started the us/them mindset. That was already well and truly established in various corners of the internet, just not as vocal. I guess this became like a unifying cause that it could gather around and build. I think a lot of people just saw this come out of nowhere but had largely just been ignoring it or not in the same circles. This just bridged that gap and made people aware of it. It then became a depreciating cycle where people already in that circle started spreading it and becoming more vocal, then the response from other netizens brought more awareness to those that sympathised but felt isolated who then joined the cause etc. i was in a lot of those groups at the time (thankfully not as much now) but that sort of mentality has been there for a long time.
It's about the time that 4chan got weirdly conservative. They're probably arguing that gamergate led to young men being more conservative, thus resulting in trump becoming president.
Yeah. And the argument isn't crazy, but maybe a little off. I think Gamergate in many ways removed the fear of young basement conservatives speaking out (with anonymity, mind you) bc it revealed how many of them there were. Until then, I think they all felt generally isolated.
The fedora was once a misguided attempt to get laid before becoming a symbol for incel pride.
Around the same time, the Tea Party movement was a few years in, so an unholy parity occurred with new kinds of conservatives showing up in numbers who flatly rejected extreme progressivism, which only served to escalate similar sentiment in the public discourse.
Historically these folks might have called themselves moderate bc they didn't align with traditional Republican party ideals, but this was the start of conservative and Republican officially meaning two very different things in the minds of conservatives (they always had been at odds, but not as many people realized it).
Ultimately the US ended up under Republican leadership that isn't traditional Republican. It's angry dad energy that just wants the screaming children to shut up so Dad can get stuff done instead of the "let's all just calm down" energy of the past while neocons ruled from PR-proof bunkers to "stfu" energy and staring down the PR spinners from the podium.
So yeah, it's safe to say that Gamergate had a part in that. Stfu became the prevailing sentiment, and enough Americans ally with that to find the US and global effects where they are today.
Steve Bannon is the link people usually make, apparently this led a lot of guys to Breitbart and gave him the idea of the alt right or something like that
That was right after Charlie got Kirked so a couple months now. I haven't seen anything from him though so I'd bet that pedophile past is probably keeping up with him.
Well I'm sure he still could be one I just haven't seen him repeat the shit he did about old men having healthy relationships 14 year old boys since the first time it got him cancelled.
Be upfront now, whatever do you mean?
You phrased it in such a way that made it sound like he was being a pedo, when he was actually a victim.
Don’t try and pretend now that you weren’t. Own up to it.
Yeah I wasn't talking about him being a victim dumbass I was talking about when he said that it was healthy for 14 year old boys to have relationships with old men and that teenage boys were "in their prime". You have to be willfully stupid to think someone that talks like that isn't a threat to young boys.
He wasn't being a pedo, he was talking about being a pedo, so i phrased it as him being a pedo (because he is). You like pedophiles. Own up to it.
It was also entirely fabricated on 4chan, they planned out what to spread and coordinated who to accuse with what, knowing entirely well that all their accusations are made up. They wanted to punish women, and they succeeded, gamergate is still something that is brought up as "feminism bad" argument.
If you want to learn more [here](https://youtu.be/6y8XgGhXkTQ?si=6i3ncEgMM0UX-_Q_) is a great youtube series on what went down and how it all changed global politics.
Fascists infiltrated both the Tea Party and immensely expanded the online right by infiltrating gamergate (despite what anyone says it WAS originally about ethics in games journalism at the very beginning), weaponizing misogyny and various other beliefs. These two groups then created the bed that Trump then rooted himself in.
shit, I'm a leftie and believe that she only got good reviews because she knew people (not because she was sleeping around mind you). so many outlets keep giving AssCreed games 10/10s which is proof enough for me that "gaming journalism" is fake and gay
Real heads know that gaming journalism was cooked from the outset as it was literally just a PR front for major publishers. It wasn’t until a bunch of losers could get mad at a woman did it really pop off though. I’m old enough to remember when kane and lynch review got a dude fired from GameSpot (while that website had full page ads for the game) so he went and created another website.
yup, there was a podcast one or two years ago, where a bunch of european games journalists were casually talking about "le good ole days back in early 00s/90s" where they've implicitly admitted that even back then most bigger publishers/devs were only giving out review copies if they received rstings above a certain score and got festured in srticles eith at least X amount of words of coverage or X amount of pages of coverage... they also hinted at american journos being their siurce of inspiration
This is true of 99% of hobbies, trades, and general industry press. I’m a videographer and most of us know not to consume a single camera review by any publication or content creator that gets review models, access, or flown out to launches.
Like lego? Don’t trust a single reviewer or content creator in Lego’s ambassador program (or whatever it’s called).
Those gaming youtubers you think are independent? The moment they get to visit a studio to preview a game, or don’t disclose review copies (even then, review copies implies access), close the tab.
Even if they aren’t told what to say, reviewers and industry press journalists fear losing access. Advance copies, review copies, etc, all access.
This is not to say you can’t trust game journalists or industry journalists in general. There are plenty of great ones and people whose views I generally respect even if I’m not always in agreement.
Unfortunately, a lot of people have taken the idea that journalism is not this shining city on a hill, completely uncorruptable, and turn it into “everything is suspect“. It’s just about critical thinking, skills and media literacy. Know where you’re getting things from, be aware of any potential conflicts of interest, and look at what people are writing as just a way to help you make up your mind about a purchase, but never get all your singular views or ideas on something from one creator or writer.
oh yeah definitely, all I'm saying is that all this shit started because instead of owning up their biases, the journos took sides and moved the goalpost to "all gamers are just racist and sexist"
the "gamers bad" narrative was basically dead and burried for over a decade when the quinncidence occured and quite literally rose from the dead again during gamergate and is - to this day - pretty well alive.
I remember seeing several articles, videos and posts made by big names in the gaming industry about how "you are sexist/racist/whatever if you identify as a gamer" which is obviously very generalizing and insulting to their core audience. That was the reason why the reactionary anti-SJW movement started, add some manipulation from the right wing and you get the startings of the MAGA movement.
I'm not condoning the harrassment that happened against the journos of course, but all those sites could've just admitted to manipulating reviews for cash. A few people would've lost their jobs but it's not like they liked their jobs anyways lol
I just think that at that time, the left was so caught up in their identity politics that they shot themselves in the foot and we are now seeing the results of that naive behaviour.
here's one claiming that the gaming culture is embarassing and that the industry should not cater to their core audience:
[https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/-gamers-don-t-have-to-be-your-audience-gamers-are-over-](https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/-gamers-don-t-have-to-be-your-audience-gamers-are-over-)
another one displaying all gamergaters as "a motley alliance of vitriolic naysayers: misogynists, anti-feminists, trolls, people convinced they’re being manipulated by a left-leaning and/or corrupt press, and traditionalists who just don’t want their games to change"
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/10/14/the-only-guide-to-gamergate-you-will-ever-need-to-read/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/10/14/the-only-guide-to-gamergate-you-will-ever-need-to-read/)
there's plenty more, but it's been years and I don't want to spend more time doing this lol (though you can look them up yourself). either way, there's definitely a toxicity problem in the gaming culture but just insulting everyone who doesn't support game journos as sexists and racists is not the way to go imo
OK, but do you see what I mean here? You’re complaining about strawmanning and you’re literally doing that here. You’re saying that these articles that you have found our representative of a greater whole, instead of just saying that maybe some of these people need to tone down their shit?
Also, the second article you linked wasn’t about gamers, it was about a specific group of people, Gamergaters. They weren’t saying all gamers there.
If we wanna go down the line of finding the most extreme examples of something in order to characterize an entire group, it’s not going to look pretty kindly to those on the gamergate side. So it’s interesting how you paint some hyperbolic nonsense from people on the receiving end of the harassment when the harassment is the problem in the first place. I have my problems with gaming journalism but none of the shit that gamergate did either improve gaming journalism or was deserved. It was all up front for a bunch of misogynistic, toxic assholes.
As I mentioned before, there were a lot more articles and posts such as these (though admittedly not just from "professional" journos but also clickbait sites like BuzzFeed). I just took the first two that I found that are related as I'm not about to invest a lot of time into researching shit that was written 10 years ago and might not even be online anymore and I hope you understand.
>You’re complaining about strawmanning and you’re literally doing that here. You’re saying that these articles that you have found our representative of a greater whole, instead of just saying that maybe some of these people need to tone down their shit?
I don't see how I'm strawmanning to be honest. The whole gamergate discussion basically started with strawmanning. People said Quinn bribed herself into good reviews, which people called out, then every gaming site claimed it was only because gamers are sexist and then the "gamergate movement" as we know it today got more or less hijacked by the alt-right.
>If we wanna go down the line of finding the most extreme examples of something in order to characterize an entire group, it’s not going to look pretty kindly to those on the gamergate side.
I should clarify: I'm not saying the gamergate side is innocent or "good" in any way, they are/were assholes and I'd argue online discourse since then has suffered a lot. But I'm saying that a lot of people "joined" the gamergate side because they were antagonized and caught strays as soon as they spoke against the gaming journos. The emphasis being on "joined" because most didn't actually "join" them, but got put into that category automatically because they weren't agreeing with the other side.
So obviously people acted reactionary and defensive, when you insulted them as sexists and racists. Now that does NOT mean that harrassment or doxxing was justified in ANY way, all I'm saying is that the asshole-ish behaviour didn't just come from nowhere.
His blog post never actually stated she slept with people for better reviews and he’s denounced that point IIRC. He chronicled that she was unfaithful during her relationship multiple times, predominantly with colleagues or industry adjacent people (because yes, work is a way of meeting people of the opposite sex), and her game was never reviewed by the people she fucked. The whole premise of gamergate is a fabrication.
well. you see, you hadd the audacity to notice that both sides played a foul game and to the broad majority of plebbitors®™ gamergate was clearly a nazi-alt-right-psyop (obviously, I'm exaggerating here, but you probably get the sentiment)
Ah, this was the motte-and-bailey the journalists actually set up. See, they purposefully say "the game wasn't reviewed" when the original accusation was "the game was featured with an article that came from someone with a direct conflict of interest that was not properly disclosed" - which is in fact fully proven.
AFAIK it's a case of people arriving at the wrong conclusion. She's a video game designer (by trade) who had sex with a video games journalist, so people assume it was done for payola. She was fucking a lot of people!
[link](https://thezoepost.wordpress.com/)
IIRC she was actually having sex with at least one person that gave her game a positive review however. The things she was actually doing are what made the whole thing blow up so badly and trying to ignore that is the other half of why the then "underground" right-wing of the internet wouldn't let this one go.
Positive coverage in that he wrote the article to feature it on Kotaku - the dude was Nathan Grayson and he should be ashamed of his ethics. I have zero expectation of Zoe, none. I just thought a journalist would at least disclose relations with a subject or recuse because that's pretty standard for ethics but he doesn't have those.
A bit more nuanced than that.
Nathan Grayson was a journalist for Kotaku and slept with her. He even got a special mention in the credits. When it was discovered that he gave coverage of the game (not a review, but still published on it) many people argued he should have recused himself. Literally all they had to due was pull or amend the article including he had romantic relations with the subject.
When this happened, a bunch of game media outlets (which had a private group called "game journo pros") decided they didn't like that narrative very much. They then released numerous articles all generally referred to as "gamers are dead" as they used it to levy unreasonable accusations for dare questioning them.
This resulted in massive losses for a lot of outlets as campaigns to strip them of advertising were launched, and in addition reports filed to the FTC for illegal affiliate linking (it must be stated that they receive income from anything affiliate linked in no uncertain terms).
This of course doesn't include people that attached themselves to gamergate after and the issues where they faked their own harassment.
I know it started with her, but I don't even remember her name. What I remember is Anita Sarkeesian being at the center of everything and feminists going after the typical gamer type of guy as some kind of toxic plague on society. I didn't pay too much attention to it though. It just opened my eyes to things that I hadn't been exposed to before. It was also the same time (I was in college at the time) I started seeing anti-white and anti-men stuff firsthand. Everything wasn't directly tied together, but gamergate did seem to bring in a lot of otherwise apolitical people from both sides into a wider fight that was much more niche before gamergate.
"Gamergate or GamerGate (GG) was a loosely organized misogynistic online harassment campaign" First line in Wikipedias take on GG.
If you didn't know Wikipedia was shit, that right there is proof.
There's a direct correlation between how much you know about gamergate and how much of a fucking loser you are. If you have no idea what this is about, that means you're winning at life.
The person in OPs post was accused by an ex of allegedly sleeping with gaming journos to get good ratings on her pixel indie game about depression. Nothing of substantial proof was provided aside from a one off blog piece. There was already a cultural war between game reviewer journos taking money from companies to give games good ratings but this sent it over the top. /v/ hopped on to the train and zeitgeisted their entire autism all over anyone who rejected the notion of this being a thing, leading them to harass many individuals who were otherwise unassociated with this sperg uprising. Individuals such as Anita Sarkeesian were mass targeted which fed into her rage bait system of saying 'x thing in games is sexism' to generate views and headlines for her blog pieces and capitulated her into the public eye. The end result was that gamers were shown to be the sweaty nerds they always were and marked a point where I stopped saying I played video games in my social circles so I didn't end up associated with those dipshits.
It's 2026 and we're still pretending Zoe Quinn slept with a journalist in exchange for a review.
Its 2026 and we're still pretending that any part of GG had anything to do with EthIcS iN GaMinG JOuRnAliSm as though we don't have the chat logs from the organiser where they straight up state their goal is to make some people (initially only Zoe) commit suicide.
People do overestimate the impact of GG in global politics though, fascism was on the rise anyway. GG did help bring Bannon into Trump's circle though.
If you want the real story on gamergate see my history series on the subject. The video below details the feminist project to transform videogame culture which sparked the controversy. Quinn was part of that group and not a particularly important part but became a flashpoint
[https://youtu.be/5vqGHhnSpOg](https://youtu.be/5vqGHhnSpOg)
So fucking real. GamerGate took its last dying breath when Asmongold stopped being relevant some months ago and it was a garbage goyslop discussion long before that
I'm nobody's glazer but what exactly do you mean? Asmongold is talked about all the time lol, and the failure of woke games, recent or otherwise paint a different picture than what your comment suggests.
Damn, it's almost like those games are well made and focus on developing interesting stories instead of being performative political pandering pieces of shit.
You are so close to getting that good or bad games have nothing to do with women or minorities in them. Good games will thrive and bad games will die as they always have been. There is no conspiracy that wokies infiltrate games just bad writers and GG used that to rile up young men against women and minorities. Let bad written games with badly written virtue signalling character just… die? Like the left does not care about them at all and is maybe even as pissed at them as you lmao. It was GG pushing these games in our faces. Never would have heard of concord if it would not have been pushed HARD by right wing YouTubers and I would have been fine.
Yeah but like there are a million types of slop (same people that support GG also LOVE stellar blade, a game while fun, is just insane gooner slop) and yall are cherry picking one specific kind of slop to enrage about and put other people down instead of doing the normal thing and ignore the slop. Big companies will always suck because they need to generate money for shareholders instead of making something fun or worthwhile. Not compatible with video games hence the rise of indie the last few years.
Lots of talk for a guy that can’t answer a simple question and doesn’t know what deflection means. I’m not gonna further engage in your troll tactics :) have a good one maybe one day love will find you! Wish you the best!
>You are so close to getting that good or bad games have nothing to do with women or minorities in them.
Of course not brother man. Again, it's about the pandering, virtue signaling and performative slop that *surround* those (and other) elements, not the elements themselves. And some devs and writers choose to do it. Sure let games die and natural selection, but customers' voice and pattern recognition is also part of that. In practice people are letting those games die, and that's one of the reasons.
>Like the left does not care about them at all and is maybe even as pissed at them as you lmao.
Hope you're right but sure doesnt seem like it lmao.
I like how you twist around the narrative to fit your agenda! Very good. Your argument can’t be falsified as you can always say „because it’s woke“ when it fails and „because it’s good writing“ when it’s performing well. Like is Hades II pandering? Is baldurs gate 3 performative slop? In what ways do they differentiate from concord? It’s very easy to to cherry pick the winners with your narrative that boils down to a few buzzwords that lost their meaning 8 years ago. We always had bad games with bad characters. In the 2000s these games flopped and nobody remembered. It was GG that decided we have to push these games to the mainstream and talk about them endlessly.
In one example the devs *decided* to focus on slop first and story second. In the other there are woke elements but the story quality comes first. It's easily noticeable when a game fails for the former reason. I don't know how I can make it any easier for your small brain to understand.
Maybe you could say one is woke and the other isn't despite having some woke elements. I'd imagine you'd prefer to say one is woke done bad, and the other done right.
It doesn't matter, the essence of the criticism is the same and remains true.
you get it but you reach an deeply unhealthy conclusion. Why are you outraged at these games instead of just ignoring them? There are thousands of games coming out each month, why enrage over a few bad and shoving this rage into the face of everybody instead of just celebrating good ones? GG was the ragebait blueprint and some people are still on the hook.
My favorite is that there's such a loose consensus on what "woke" means that trying to guess what games are and aren't woke is just spitballing.
I can't take anyone who uses that word seriously; it just amounts to "thing I don't like but can't describe".
And? Bruh this topic is always such a self report for dudes who are massive losers and lack any critical thinking.
Dragon Age flopped caused it had bad writing. Whether the game was "woke" or not would not have changed that bad writing.
Concord was literally not "woke" (genuinely not sure why people consider it as such). That game flopped because no one cared about some boring as overwatch rip off with shittier character designs/personality.
Every game you mentioned that flopped because of what you think is "wokeness" is really just corporate greed + lack of creativity and passion = shit game. For every Concord you have a Hades, Baldurs Gate 3, etc.
A game being what you consider "woke" (which probably just means it has Gay people or minorities in it) has no indication on if it will be bad or not.
>A game being what you consider "woke" (which probably just means it has Gay people or minorities in it)
I don't know if people are just wilfully ignoring part of the discourse just to own someone they're labeling as an incel or misogynist or whatever, but when someone criticizes a game for being woke, it's generally this:
>it had bad writing
It's simple as that. Usually (not everyone) people criticize something being woke when they're doing something performative for browny points in detriment of actually having good writing and content. It's not having women or LGBT people in it, it's making it the one reason for it to exist and forget about the rest.
You say this but people immediately jump on the "it's wokeslop" train as soon as a trailer drops that shows a brown person in it. People definitely label these things before they actually know anything about it. Just look at the GTA6 or Intergalactic trailers/teasers.
>(not everyone)
Those are just people that like having something to hate and aren't really interested in genuine criticism.
Just like there's these anti-woke that like having something to hate, there's also people that love having the anti-woke as a target to be able to hate, because it's an incredible (loud) minority that keeps gathering more attention than they should because of people making more of them than they really are.
Calling shit “woke” because you don’t like it and getting views for crying about it on the internet is losing popularity quickly.
Older Gen z & millenials ate that shit up, but those demographics are simply losing influence on the internet as they get older, not to mention there are plenty of people who used to like Asmongold but are just sick and tired of the culture wars, especially since the REAL world outside of the internet is getting noticeably worse.
It’s a lot harddr to care about “minorities in muh Star Wars goyslop! Waaah!!” When the U.S. just invaded another country for Israel & the economy is crashing
>Older Gen z & millenials ate that shit up, but those demographics are simply losing influence on the internet as they get older,
What the fuck are you, gen alpha? Lmfao get outta here. Yeah I'm sure the people that can't stand woke shit suddenly completely changed their minds and are now calling people "corny" or whatever the fuck.
"2-3 years ago" you say that like you detected a major shift towards your side but you're full of shit and slop keeps flopping over and over again. Bitch please, even your real world example of Maduro getting captured has plenty of support. You're wishful thinking.
>Older Gen z & millenials ate that shit up, but those demographics are simply losing influence on the internet as they get older,
What the fuck are you, gen alpha? Lmfao get outta here. Yeah I'm sure the people that can't stand woke shit suddenly changed their minds and are now calling people "corny" or whatever the fuck.
"2-3 years ago" you say that like you detected a major shift towards your side but you're full of shit and slop keeps flopping over and over again. Bitch please, even your real world example of Maduro getting captured jas plenty of support. You're wishful thinking.
I'm confused how he's irrelevant when he has like 40-60k viewership on livestream and his views on YouTube are obscenely high. Apparently all altogether, he's like 2nd or 3rd most-watched right-wing talking head in the world. If anything he's the most relevant he's ever been.
I don't like asmon and the right wing chuds, but I mean this is the lefts entire schtick. Living in an echo chamber and denying reality because saying otherwise will get you purity checked out of the community.
Just like how they were so confident that Hilary was going to win, no doubt about it. Then again, saying Kamala for sure was going to steamroll trump and the chuds.
Hillary vs Trump was a lot closer though, and it made sense to expect her to win because she was an actual politician instead of a reality TV star back in 2016.
> Just like how they were so confident that Hilary was going to win, no doubt about it. Then again, saying Kamala for sure was going to steamroll trump and the chuds.
The Left didn't say either of these things. Hillary/Kamala were the champions of liberals and centrists
I knew Kamala was gonna lose, but even if the numbers suggest Asmongold is “bigger than ever”, I’m making the point he doesn’t set the tone of the gaming world anymore. The way the dollar his flowed to new projects has shown that he has a much less influential voice now for the gaming world than he did a year ago.
Instead of staying a gaming YouTuber/streamer he’s more or less entered the reaction YouTuber sphere & taken a share of the views/airtime that people like Ben Shapiro used to get. If asmongold’s numbers have risen, then it’s surely because numbers are lowering for other right wing influencers, not gaming creators.
Even if it is 40k, I’m guessing a solid 10k aren’t actual gamers but boomers from Facebook who are there to watch him yell about the 3 black people in Star Wars.
Exactly, Asmongold might be more “relevant” by numbers but the viewers are not the same people. His viewers aren’t gamers anymore they’re politics-obsessed orcs
I mean I'm sure there is some drop off there has to be, but what you think doesn't seem entirely likely. Gamers enjoy politics too. I think his viewership demo is late 20s to early 60s, pretty much peak ages for political engagement. To my knowledge there is no study out there looking at his user attrition so it's all a guess, but I can totally see most 28-60 year old gamers staying for political talk.
You could be entirely right but I’m going off of what I experience as a gen z person, he’s lost popularity with the 20-30 section of that audience. 2-3 years ago, if you went into an Instagram comments section or a reddit thread outside r/all and railed against “needlessly woke” games/movies you’d get traction, nowadays you’re downvoted & called corny. Maybe I’m larping but the court of public opinion, in my experience, holds that his viewer base is shifting to the older side.
I think he has said it before how his viewer base is older so I can see totally younger people not crazy captured by political talk and just want some gaming, tuning out.
Im into conspiracies as a mild hobby, also gives me something to talk to the autist old man bout, i JUST discovered this dude talking about the ep'steen files yesterday. (Not the best video i saw that day tbh)
Anyway you cope about this he's literally one of the influential right wing talking heads right now. I get hating him but why just pretend reality isn't reality?
I don’t like Asmongold but he is still one of the top streamers on twitch, he hasn’t lost any relevance in the past few months. If anything he’s become even more famous because Elon Musk has been retweeting him
When did Asmongoloid stop being revelant? Isn't he more popular than ever since his pivot into politics? I don't like the guy but the last I heard is that he's the biggest politics streamer on twitch rn.
I dug into the rabbit hole of this one again and I really thought this particularly sequence was interesting. Zoe's [Wikipedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zo%C3%AB_Quinn#Harassment_and_Gamergate) says "Quinn was falsely accused of receiving positive coverage from a journalist with whom they were in a relationship". That "falsely" seems like editorializing in my opinion since Quinn *was* accused, but I dug into the source to see what proved these accusation false and if Wikipedia was truthful and unbiased in their editorializing.
A citation for the false accusation claim was [this](https://www.newyorker.com/tech/annals-of-technology/gamergate-scandal-erupts-video-game-community) article from The New Yorker.
>"Baldwin, seeking to point out an example of unethical journalism, linked on Twitter to a video claiming that a video-game writer had promoted work by the independent game-maker Zoe Quinn while the two were in a relationship. (This claim that has since been proved false)."
So Wikipedia's source is just another source saying it was proven false. But the New Yorker had hyperlinked "proven false" so it must be [there](https://deadspin.com/the-future-of-the-culture-wars-is-here-and-its-gamerga-1646145844/) that we can find what evidence proves it was false, right?
>"Among his many accusations, he claims she slept with a gaming journalist in return for favorable coverage. This clearly isn't true"
The article later said that the accusations weren't possible because Nathan Grayson (the journalist she later had a verifiable relationship with) worked for Kotaku at the time and they didn't review Depression Quest, so he couldn't have possibly influenced any reviews there, but Grayson also [wrote for Rock Paper Shotgun](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate#Zo%C3%AB_Quinn_and_Depression_Quest) at the time and over there, he calling it a ["powerful Twine darling"](https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/admission-quest-valve-greenlights-50-more-games). Another writer from that same publication — though the full review seems to have been pulled as it is referenced but not linked to — calls Depression Quest "indescribable" and really puts out this [vibe](https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/mostly-indescribable-depression-quest) that it is so sacred and profound that he didn't feel worthy to play it. So, the argument that "he wrote for this one publication that didn't review so he couldn't have done it" even though his other publication glazed the thing is really disingenuous and deceiving.
And that's it! That's what Wikipedia, Deadspin, and The New Yorker editors consider sufficient evidence to outright call the accusation false.
Even Wikipedia begrudgingly agrees - they flat out admit their goal is to report on media consensus and not necessarily truth. I remember there were semi-public figures that had wiki pages with verifiably wrong information, things like DOB IIRC, but they could NOT get it corrected because no trusted media outlet would report it and primary sources are not allowed.
This doesn't even bring attention to article campers that will die trying to defend the optics of how they want a specific topic shown.
Nah, [this](https://archive.is/NeJis) was written by Grayson. So was [this](https://archive.is/jiMdS) and [this](https://archive.is/WtK25).
If he had recused himself no one would have gave a shit.
Keep in mind [there's strong, documented collusion in games journalism ](https://www.ggwiki.deepfreeze.it/index.php/GameJournoPros).
And from the same site, there's [more context about everything here](https://www.ggwiki.deepfreeze.it/index.php/Zoe_Quinn_Scandal#cite_note-35).
Everything I have learned about Zoe and gamergate has been against my will, so it brings me little pleasure to share the story, but the cliff’s notes is an ex accused her of sleeping with gaming journalists to get good reviews for her game, depression quest. This was the catalyst for gamergate, by far one of the most embarrassingly consequential harassment/hate/culture war campaigns of our generation.
The accusations were proven false, but facts matter little to certain folk’s feelings. Now considering I’m on r/greentext, I’ll take my downvotes.
Wow shows how much I know.
I thought Gamergate was more to do with Anita Sarkeesian and discourse around portrayals of women in video games than this Zoe girl.
To my understanding the Zoe of it all was the initial burr in 4chan’s ass that god this whole thing going. Anita was an easy follow up. I wasn’t anywhere near twitter, 4chan, or the escapist save Yahtzees vids at the time but apparently that’s where it all went down
Like I said, I was on the escapist once a week tops. But yeah its forums were very popular for gamer gaters to discuss and apparently coordinate harassment. I think mods tried to but it down but I’m not sure and if they did they weren’t very successful.
Sarkeesian was just phase 2 of all that. and you definitely should check out the "quality" of her documentary series about sexism in gaming, because they're quite literally the intellectual equivalent of late 90s/early 2000s "gamers are mass shooters" journalism. or mid to late 80s "gamers and nerds are satanistic serial killers" journalism.
If people want to argue against you, I want to chime in: Depression Quest was a free game, and a review was not released for the game on any major platform, including the one she was accused of sleeping for. The ex literally just vindictively made shit up and everyone with a bone to pick with gaming journos and women in gaming latched onto it.
Yeah but I pride myself on my Logic and Reason. Therefore I disregard any facts that I don't like and focus on whether anyone has blue hair. Because I'm a Very Smart and Special Boy.
Not proven false though, that was just New Yorker saying it was not true without providing evidence.
https://www.reddit.com/r/greentext/comments/1q4uq4j/anon_on_gamergate/nxvmip3/
To piggyback on this guy, saying that the allegations were "proven false" is an understatement.
The guy never even reviewed any of her games AND the game in question, the one that she allegedly slept to get angood review for, was fucking free.
https://www.reddit.com/r/greentext/s/ODmBHVsOKN
Someone else dug around and found them. Seems like he did indeed write about the game in rock paper shotgun.
LMAO. HOLY FUCK YOU INCELS ARE JUST PURE GOLD.
Let's look at the WHOLE FUCKING ARTICLE together.
Every day, approximately 43 billion new indie games spring into existence from mysterious ethers far outside the realm of human comprehension. We approach these portals into The Beyond with great apprehension, then we scuttle away with our bounty, arms and hearts full of excitement and terror. We call this process "game development," and it will probably bring about the end of the world. Until then, though, someone needs to curate these things, so Valve blasts new finds with its organizational death laser, Steam Greenlight. Yep, that's exactly how it all works and this is not just me filling space because I've written far too many Greenlight posts at all. Anyway, standouts: powerful Twine darling Depression Quest, surrealist Thief usurper Tangiers, and sidescrolling epic Treasure Adventure World.
Bruh, if adding a game to a list is "positive coverage" then there is no such thing as ethical journalism.
You people are beyond saving.
> the game in question, the one that she allegedly slept to get angood review for, was fucking free.
While I get everything else on this topic, I don’t get what the game being free matters, free games still get reviewed and their devs still want them to be reviewed well.
Because clarifying that there is no financial incentive highlights just how ridiculous the allegation is.
She's sleeping around to get good reviews on a passion project? On a resumé builder?
Yea I disagree. Again I’m not talking about the subject as a whole, just specifically that someone would sleep with someone for a publicized, better review of their work.
The game itself being free doesn't remove any financial incentives. Good press will draw attention which could draw sponsors or fans for a subsequent game.
Scam artist and nude model that, as of 2014, also did a couple text adventures.
Despite her games not particularly interesting, she got a lot of press coverage for it... a large amount of it apparently [coming from her friend group](https://bonegolem.wordpress.com/2016/09/06/the-conflicts-of-interest-of-the-journalists-covering-zoe-quinn/) — including her roommate Kotaku journalist Patricia Hernandez.
Back in 2014, game journo Nathan Grayson — himself later found to [rather frequently cover friends in his articles](https://deepfreeze.it/journo.php?j=nathan_grayson) — was part of this friend group, and wrote an article about a failed convention which turned into a long interview of Quinn.
Just a little later, Quinn's abused ex made a blog post about their failed relationship, where she admitted to having had affairs with five people (leading to the famous "five guys burger and fries" remark) -- including her boss and Greyson. People saw the Kotaku article, connected the dots, hell broke lose.
* * *
People are arguing "but the article was not a review" (…who claimed that, and even then what would that change?) and saying that the affair never took place — which I don't believe even Quinn and Greyson disputed, the only point of contention is that Kotaku claimed the affair happened *after* the article, which again is a moot point because Quinn and Greyson were already very close friends.
I more blame Zuckerberg for inventing engagement metrics, then juicing the algorithm to push rage bait for more engagement. Then everyone else started doing the same.
The suddenly we elected ragebait. Then ragebait came for every nation. Then the worst people on the face of the earth gleefully latched onto ragebait to push more ragebait.
And now we're heading into WW3. Because Zuckerberg wanted to sell more ads.
Seeing feminists go after "gamers" coincided with me getting into college and seeing anti-white and anti-man stuff firsthand. I saw that stuff a little bit before too, but it didn't register as an institutionalized issue until college and gamergate coincided for me.
They all tuned into the insane right wing weirdos that made their career off it. Milo got a column on Breitbart and became famous, Sargon started with GG and then went on to spend his life complaining about Muslims, there’s a few others I don’t remember.
It gave people a target to go mask-off on their misogyny since gaming was seen as more of a male hobby and they portrayed her and other women getting into gaming as invaders who slept around to get good reviews. Then Steve Bannon got involved and used Breitbart to stoke the flames and radicalize a lot of the people that had gone mask off. Whole thing was fucked.
I've never looked at her game until now, and came to the conclusion that she definitely realized she had to sleep with journalist for a positive review vs paying them off like literally any other company that makes hot garbage.
Wikipedia be like "Gamergate or GamerGate (GG)[1] was a loosely organized misogynistic online harassment campaign motivated by a right-wing backlash against feminism, diversity, and progressivism in video game culture." Yea not the fact that shit was happening behind the scenes. Truly the only victims during this whole thing.
Ya I hate that this is only what gamergate is remembered for and not all the obvious corruption going on with journalism with this bitch,IGN, and G4. Even at the time most people knew the IGN and G4 reviews were total bogus and obviously phoned in and probably getting paid for good reviews. This girl and the ex from IGN got caught. That one girl who I can’t even remember the name of on G4 getting mad and blowing up on tv because men are misogynistic for calling her out for writing reviews describing stuff that didn’t even happen in the games.
The take away from gamergate should be “there are a bunch of journalist who will 100% sell out and they will 100% circle the wagons around other journalists for getting called out on this behavior.
Instead we got “gamers are racist and hate women” because a bunch perma-online neck beards can’t contain themselves on sending death threats
Gamergate itself pretty much had nothing to do with dealing with that corruption. Now you can't call out this said corruption without people automatically associating you with GG. If anything, (You) poisoned the well.
99 people upset that they cant even trust reviews on games anymore, 1 guy mad at women sends death threats and rape threats. Obviously these 100 people are misogynistic incels and not mad they bought a game because they read it was good and now theyre out 60 bucks.
I got a year of Xbox gamepass a while back and the amount of AAA games that I was looking forward to and just didnt like or fell off was quick a bit. Thats a lot of money saved and it would have sucked if I bought each one.
The funny thing is there absolutely is corruption in game journalism, and absolutely none of that has anything to do with the bullshit gamergate thought they were blowing the lid off of off. Case in point, Zoe Quinn's game you're referring to was never even reviewed by the journalist she was alleged to have slept with. A lot of people patiently pointed that out at the time, to no avail. A lot of people chose to believe that she slept around for reviews anyway, and then harassed her instead of the journalist. I wonder if there is a name for such targeted behavior.
>A lot of people patiently pointed that out at the time, to no avail. A lot of gators still chose to believe that she slept around for reviews, and then harassed her instead of the journalists they claimed to be bothered about.
Which is exactly why gamergate was primarily about misogyny and u/Kingkary is a poster boy for it
Dude it was a free-to-play text based game that had a steam player peak of a little over 500 people. There were more “highly praised critiques from respected critics” there were people who actually played the game.
In any other time, any other place, this game would be just another indie slop game on steam that would be forgotten. If you do not believe there were a bunch of shenanigans going on with journalist around this then boy do I have a great bridge that I believe you would be perfect to buy it.
Thats completely clossing over the Anita types who actively fanned the flames and faked outrage to hijack a non-movement for personal gain.
The Zoe outrage lasted maybe a week and no ody really cared outside the perpetually online hate brigade. However it spawned a ton of Anti-gamer rhetoric and grifters looking for a quick buck.
The reason the Wikipedia article reads like that is probably that there are literally no media sources to cite to that aren’t just repeating this narrative of right wingers harassing an innocent woman for no reason, as opposed to the more accurate narrative of “game journalists bending over backwards to find any basis to defend someone who sucked because she was their friend.”
This was also a period where the internet went full swing into commercialization but everyone was too busy whining about the SJWs to actually notice or care.
Whether or not she slept around was kind of overshadowed by the fact that we were willing to believe that game journos could be so easily bought, and it was true long before Zoe Quinn. You could easily buy good game reviews and now the trust in media outlets is dubious to say the least.
And that, kids, is what gamergate was all about.
Zoë Quinn and Alec Holowka were two pieces of garbage that made great games and horrible decisions. Now you've just reminded me that Revenant Hill is canceled because Scott Benson has severe heart failure and I'm depressed about that. What the fuck is this greentext for? (Not you OP, just whoever decided to post this on 4chan in 2026)
Ultimately it's impact wasn't very strong, it more opened a gate for later controversy around game development and gaming as a whole. It's didn't accomplish any of what it was supposed to, and instead became a lauch pad for shit heads to try and tear down games for their themes, regardless of whether they were done well or not.
We still doing the Great Meme Reset?
Gamergate was about how two sides can yell/argue two different points, and how easy it is for the majority of people on one side of any conflict to assume the majority of people on the other side are awful people because a small portion of them acted terribly online.
Anyone who chooses a side or thinks it was "just about misogyny" or "gaming journalism" is missing the point.
I lost a day of my life to trying to get to the bottom of it and I had these takeaways:
* Women have it hard in many gaming/online spaces due to some rotten apples and actually-toxic behavior often seeped in misogyny. Zoe and Anita were both subjected to this toxic abuse and nobody should have to deal with that shit. This is true, and what the rational people on side 1 argued.
* Vidya journalism has serious issues with ethics and credibility (same as all other forms of journalism) and more people need to call them out or else things will never get better. Any relationship between a journalist publishing a review for a game and the game developer should have boundaries to protect consumers and ensure journalistic integrity. This is also true, and what the rational people on side A argued.
* While both sides have good points, the internet made it viral, and the worst people you can think of joined in, picked one side, and resorted to the online equivalent of a food-fight, but with slurs and threats and awful takes that have nothing to do with the root cause.
* Some people can be really awful on the internet and are willing to tell (or believe) lies that enforce their beliefs or advance their agenda. As for the powers-that-be, they capitalized on this divide for the purpose of making money and accumulating influence. They stoked the fires of hate and made sure to muddy the waters so that each side only understood that the other side was the enemy of progress and little else, and this made a lot of people on both sides very angry.
As long as stupid people exist and are allowed to pick a side, any sufficiently-sized divide or two-party system will be subjected to this kind of hateful discourse and divisive propaganda.
Don't be stupid, anons. There is always a third choice, and you can always choose to be a good person on the internet or in real life.
I never heard of this when it happened, ive seen videos about it but i still dont really understand why this matters that much, like who cares (i guess alot of people lol)
Gamergate did, but not because Anita actually did anything. She never fucked anyone for a game review and the journalist who said she did was just buthurt from being dumped. What changed politics was the removal of the mask that hid the fact that, institutionally, men just hate women
As someone on the left, I have to say that Anita Sarkeesian was insufferable even before 4chan started their shit. Any criticism of her videos, no matter how narrow, technical, or valid, triggered instant dogpiling from liberal spaces accusing people of hating women or being misogynistic. It was textbook Kafka trapping: denying her arguments was framed as proof of guilt.
That environment didn’t create misogyny, but it absolutely radicalized a lot of young men who felt falsely accused, unheard, and pushed out of mainstream discourse, leaving reactionary spaces as the only places they could speak without being branded evil by default. Bans were flying across Reddit, Twitter, message boards such as Neogaf, and game-journalist comment sections if you even hinted at disagreement.
It also didn’t help that Sarkeesian’s second video dropped right in the middle of the Zoe Quinn meltdown. Whether intentional or not, the timing fused a personal scandal, a moral panic about harassment, and criticism of her work into a single narrative. After that point, criticizing her arguments was no longer treated as disagreement, it was treated as siding with abusers. That collapse of context made any good-faith discussion functionally impossible.
This isn’t to excuse the assholes who went off the deep end with harassment and threats, fuck those people. But the backlash didn’t start because people wanted to be assholes. It started because you literally couldn’t criticize her work at all without being accused of hating women to begin with. When every response is treated as bad faith, people stop bothering with good faith altogether.
What was it about then? eThIcS iN jOuRnAlIsm? Because not one of those people cared about any form of ethics before or after. It was an unfounded public dogpile for no reason other than to try and push women out of gaming, and resulted in the accelerated growth of incels and red pill
People who consider themselves "gamers" and have this weird gatekeeping/I-have-to-defend-muh-gaming mentality should honestly kill themselves. Or get a life. Either one.
The girl's boyfriend infamously made a remark that he can never eat at Five Guys again, because allegedly she slept with 5 gaming journalists to boost her game. It spurred a lot of memes and I believe there were even a couple references to it in some games afterwards. For some reason that little tidbit always stuck with me
I HAVE NEVER CARED ABOUT THIS AND NEVER WILL
VIDEO GAME 'JOURNALISM' HAS NEVER MATTERED AND NEVER WILL
FORM YOUR OWN GODDAMN OPTIONS AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO SUCKS WHAT COCK FOR WHAT REASONS!
**AND FOR THE LAST GODDAMN TIME SHUT UP ABOUT THIS STUPID NONSENSE!**
She dated a gaming journalist around the same time she released a free game on Steam.
An ex accused her of sleeping with a gaming journalist for good reviews.
A bunch of incels hopped on this crying about ethics in games journalism.
Turns out, not only did the guy not give her a good review, he never reviewed any of her projects, and the publication (Kotaku) rarely featured her in any capacity. It aknowledged the existence of the game once and had her as a correspondent for some other games a few times, but that's it.
Facts didn't matter. Issue got blown up. Steve Bannon and Breitbart news picked it up. Steve credits this story for how he got into the mainstream, and he was literally DJTs chief advisor in his first term.
Funny how nobody every brings up the specifics.
1. The only gaming journalist she ever "slept with" never did a single review for ANY of her games.
1.5 She dated said journalist for a longer period of time than she dated the guy that spread this narrative.
2. The game was, and to my knowledge still is, fucking free.
The ONE journalist she dated never reviewed any of her games. And IIRC, the only mention of her by the publication in her entire career had her just as a correspondent or would placidly state her projects.
Schitzophrenia is fun I guess.
It’s incredible to me that people still refuse to accept that the made up story of her sleeping around for reviews was false. It’s almost like they just want to see a woman as being a problem. Oh wait…
You see, someone pretended that a journalist gave her a biased review of her game that chuds on here didn't like because of her prior takes on media. Because of that they relentlessly harassed her
So yanno your average 4chan bullshittery.
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