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E10k StarFire spotted on local auction site

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E10k StarFire spotted on local auction site
Seller wants \~$9k and notes that it is of limited suitability for home usage, considering the 2000lbs weight and that it may not fit through every door frame. I'm a bit torn on whether it looks cool or like a designer porta-potty. [Spec sheet](https://www.filibeto.org/sun/lib/hardware/datasheets/e10k.pdf)

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theballygickmongerer@reddit

I used to move and deliver them… much easier managed than a fully loaded 3 bay EMC Rhino.
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win10bash@reddit

Looking cool and looking like a designer porta-potty are not mutually exclusive ideas.
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healeyd@reddit

Clabretro needs to grab this it and make us lots of Youtube vids.
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jellybeanie1303@reddit

Be still my beating heart. I loved working on the E10k. Loved everything about Sun hardware. It was a joy. Not sure I’d want one in my house though.
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dompazz@reddit

Never seen one. I will never forget programming on one, though. It was a massive simulation for a prospective client where Sun was also trying to sell them one. I still don't know why I was the one trusted to program it, but God was it fun project.
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lwrscr@reddit

We have one in storage at the Large Scale Systems Museum, we moved it off the floor last year as it was a little new for the collection. It is a beast! A big, beautiful, awesome, beast! I wish I had the space for it!
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PurdueGuvna@reddit

It’s a landmark system though, so I’m glad museums are acquiring them. I remember during the dot com rush that when a startup “made it”, this is what they would buy to get an enterprise grade web server that could scale to thousands of connections. I worked on one for years during undergrad (Shay.ecn.purdue.edu) which many times had 300-500 concurrent users, most doing things like homework for basic programming courses. Iirc it had 4 processors and 4 gigabytes of memory. This was the era before Linux matured enough to be truly enterprise, and I think the rise of Linux with its excellent TCP stack, memory management and SMP really took over the market this served with near commodity hardware.
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Putrid-Theme-7735@reddit

Four whole gigabytes! It’s strange to be reminded how big that was even then.
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ryguymcsly@reddit

I remember when one of the customers in a DC I worked at upgraded from their e10k to the e25k. I had to do some remote hands stuff on it when they were setting it up. I remember thinking “right now I’m logged in as root on a system worth more money than I’ll ever see in my life.”
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flasheck@reddit

Can it run crysis?
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But-I-Am-a-Robot@reddit

Apart from all the practicalities, what could I do with such a machine that I cant with my Mac Mini?
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LaundryMan2008@reddit

Happy cake day! 
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But-I-Am-a-Robot@reddit

Thank you
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LaundryMan2008@reddit

You are welcome!
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itsasnowconemachine@reddit

Run (non-emulated) Solaris? Impress your nerd friends. Rack up an impressive power bill.
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Son_of_Leeds@reddit

Can modern machines not run Solaris? Obviously you couldn’t run the SPARC variant on a Mac Mini but iirc there was an x86 version. Might be misremembering/confusing it with OpenSolaris; I haven’t really messed around with either since I ran OpenSolaris on my EeePC back in like ‘09.
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spilk@reddit

well, modern mac minis aren't x86 either. 2006-2020 intel minis might be able to run solaris x86 on bare metal but haven't seen anyone try
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gravelpi@reddit

If I had to guess, you'd probably run into UEFI issues first (based on trying to install RHEL-ish stuff on a Mac mini) or driver issues if you get past that.
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But-I-Am-a-Robot@reddit

Now we’re talking! Can I make Kelly LeBrock appear with it?
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No_Boat_2005@reddit

80s version or current?
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jtdcjtdc@reddit

my thoughts exactly... can it play roblox ?
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burnmp3s@reddit

Good luck heating your unfinished basement with a Mac Mini
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thewheelsgoround@reddit

I know somebody who used a PowerMac G5 as a literal space heater long after it was obsolete by running Folding@Home on it. Space heating, with the side effect of useful science research.
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MonkMajor5224@reddit

Have you considered Mac Mini is mini and this is big?
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But-I-Am-a-Robot@reddit

It occurred to me, yes. But my question is still serious.
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MonkMajor5224@reddit

Well I don’t think anyone is buying this to actually use, but as a collectors item.
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But-I-Am-a-Robot@reddit

That I also understand. Read my question as: how much has computing progressed since then?
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R-ten-K@reddit

If you're using a base m4 mac mini. It's likely 2 or 3 times faster than the fastest configuration of that E10000. Each M4 core is a couple orders of magnitude faster than the Ultrasparcs in these systems.
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thewheelsgoround@reddit

Fun fact: a Mac Mini has more than 12x the RAM bandwidth as this.
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dangling_chads@reddit

More like 100x faster. An Ultrasparc II 1.0GHz felt sorta modern in 2002. These are 400MHz who knows how many.
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amartincolby@reddit

Ah ok. As you probably suspect, _a lot_. The raw computational power of your Mac Mini (assuming M4) is at least an order of magnitude greater. The E10k is basically a mainframe, with all of the fault tolerance that that implies. Its connectivity is also far greater. But still, since I can't find a LINPACK run on the e10k anywhere, I'll use transistor count as a proxy for performance. A single UltraSPARC II has 5.4 million transistors. The system could be equipped with 64 procs, for a total of 345 million transistors. An M4 has 28 billion transistors. So nearly two orders of magnitude.
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ScudsCorp@reddit

Thanks for taking us through that. Thirty years and billions and billions of R&D each year have to account for something
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Lopoetve@reddit

As someone who knows this generation of kit and worked on them back down - I’d never done that math, and what the ever loving fuck. Holy shit.
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pinksystems@reddit

YOU cannot do anything with an E10K because you lack imagination, experience, and common decency to understand why your question is both pointless and rooted in ignorance.
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notbleetz@reddit

Whoa. Brutal. But, I love it.
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Inner-Examination686@reddit

Meeowwww
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JetzeMellema@reddit

Dude. They asked a question. Answer it or ignore, no need to be a dick.
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cabba@reddit

I don’t know if this conversation required this much ruthlessness, but I laughed nonetheless.
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But-I-Am-a-Robot@reddit

I don’t think this speeddate is working for me.
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But-I-Am-a-Robot@reddit

E.g. I could start a webshop without having to rely on third party services.
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whatThePleb@reddit

> webshop 🤡
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byelow@reddit

This is the Royale with Cheese!
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keithcody@reddit

If I remember correctly, for a time your could run all of eBay on a Starfire. [https://www.quora.com/What-server-infrastructure-was-eBay-built-on-at-launch-1995-and-how-was-it-scaled-over-the-first-few-years](https://www.quora.com/What-server-infrastructure-was-eBay-built-on-at-launch-1995-and-how-was-it-scaled-over-the-first-few-years)
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Starkoman@reddit

Yes, eBay used to have a small “Powered by Sun” (Microsystems) logo on their pages back then. Always impressed me. Was a bit sad when it disappeared — knowing eBay must’ve swapped-out their backend systems.
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Sorry-Climate-7982@reddit

Enron ran most of their power Dipsy Doodle manipulation scams on one of these.
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einTier@reddit

An iPhone 17 Pro is about two orders of magnitude more powerful at this point.
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Severe-Reality5546@reddit

You can use it to crush your enemies. Literally. It weighs 1,800 lbs.
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jboy55@reddit

You can warm your entire house, or probably even a medium sized apartment building. I’d love to see a Mac mini do that.
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But-I-Am-a-Robot@reddit

“It’s getting a bit chilly I think. Want me to hot-swap some extra CPU’s?”
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m-in@reddit

Use lots of power and make lots of noise. But yeah, a Mini with a 2x1TB raid will run circles around E10k in performance. However, a Mini is not data center hardware. E10k looks much cooler to me :)
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OldschoolSysadmin@reddit

You can hot swap CPUs
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But-I-Am-a-Robot@reddit

that will impress the girls!
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West-Way-All-The-Way@reddit

wardrobe
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justeUnMec@reddit

heat a room.
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soopastar@reddit

I still have a baby cousin to this running in my Datacenter. A Sun Ultra2 Enterprise with 2x400mhz UltraSparc2 and 2048mb ram and 2x36GB ultra scsi hard drives running Solaris 2.6
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Rogue100@reddit

I wouldn't have room for it, or even know what to do with it if I did have room, but would be cool to have regardless!
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Pengo2001@reddit

I would be a heretic, gut it and use it as an awesome wardrobe.
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HLingonberry@reddit

Someone did turn one in to a beer pump.
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LaundryMan2008@reddit

It was a Sun Oracle tape library, if Oracle didn’t buy Sun then we might still have them and if Sun didn’t buy StorageTek then we also might still have them too
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justananontroll@reddit

I wish this sub allowed us to post pics. I just finished building my new workbench in the shop out of a pair of used 14U network racks I bought at auction for $6 total. They are metal with heavy duty locking caster wheels. I put an 8' long 3/4” plywood tabletop on them with a pair of shelves between. And the insides of the racks came with some drawers and shelves, which are really handy. Bonus - because the racks are metal, I can stick magnetic accessories to them like hooks, pencil cups, tool holders, etc.
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LightsSoundAction@reddit

Post picture to Imgur, post Imgur link in comment. It’s how we used to have to post all photos and gifs in Reddit comments, and it still works.
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LaundryMan2008@reddit

Juuust not in the UK
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chronos7000@reddit

Would go well with a VAX bar.
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West-Way-All-The-Way@reddit

Winner! That makes us two 👍
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LaundryMan2008@reddit

Now THIS is some of the stuff I would LOVE to have in my retro datacenter bunker, even if it requires a license and is useless, I would still want to have that thing around and have it run one of the IT rooms as a Sun room
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spilk@reddit

this is the stuff that SGI sold to Sun when they acquired Cray
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michaelpaoli@reddit

Yes, to a large extent, E10K had much more in common with Cray, than Sun. Sun's Ultra Enterprise series, and earlier, had a quite standard way of doing diagnostic LEDs, etc. E10K broke that pattern and was quite different - as much of it came from Cray, and followed those patterns and conventions, rather than those of Sun. Oh, and something that was well under NTA many moons ago. The backplane for the E10K - manufactured by IBM. IBM was, at least at that time, the only manufacturer on the planet that could manufacture a board / backplane that huge and complex. I forget the number of layers and total overall dimensions, but it was friggin' huge. Nobody else had the tech+equipment to make something that large (but IBM had that tech for a long time, notably from all their mainframe building experience & tech).
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jgeorge44@reddit

The 10K centerline was a BEAST. Probably the largest PCB I've ever seen, and a million pins and probably that many layers. Not something you wanted to ever change out, but we changed them out on the semi-regular. It was not too hard to insert a system board incorrectly and smash flat a bunch of pins in a slot on the backplane. Newbie service engineers would do it once in a while. The downtime wasnt actually that bad to replace the backplane, other than pulling EVERY system board out of the enclosure, but it was a 2-3 person job to get the centerline out and a new one in and mounted properly.
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michaelpaoli@reddit

I got to add/remove those system boards while system was up but the board migrated off of and down to standby. Those levers were massive - rather like ancient refrigerator door levers from 'bout half a century earlier. I never inserted (nor pulled) one incorrectly ... but I got to hear the stories. E.g. someone once, not where I worked, didn't have it lined up properly on insertion, forced it anyway ... yep, that necessitated backplane/centerline replacement. Yeah, I'm sure that PCB was many layers ... not millions but a quite high layer count. Just think of the equipment needed to QA those boards along the manufacturing/assembly process. Must've been quite something.
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ThomasJFlack@reddit

This was a Cray Research Superservers (CRS) prototype before it was a Sun product. CRS was FPS (Floating Point Systems before it was bought by Cray? IIRC the backplane (or at least the one for the Cray massively-parallel systems) was also from CRS, and that was derived from an NCR design. Computer history in San Diego is ... relatively unknown.
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RCHeliguyNE@reddit

My memory is the 6400, 10k and 15k were Cray derivative.
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jgeorge44@reddit

IIRC they’ll fit through a commercial doorway (36”) with the bumpy side panels removed. I don’t think they’d fit through a residential (30-32”) door. It’s been a while since I worked on one but I think there’s a ridiculous number of 208V outlets the thing needs too. Lovely bunch of kit and I hope somehow it escapes the scrapper.
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NeedleworkerNo4900@reddit

What are the cooling requirements? Are these air cooled?
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jgeorge44@reddit

Air cooled, bottom to top. I remember putting down as many vented floor tiles are would fit under them in a raised floor room to keep them cool.
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Wpbdan@reddit

A residential front door is 36". However, it's not fitting through the bedroom door. lol.
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enzothebaker87@reddit

Fantastic! It will go perfectly as a "conversation piece" in my Grand Foyer. Right next to my life size medieval armor nativity scene. Thank you!
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dangling_chads@reddit

Such mixed feelings about this beast. I have a long love of Sun kit. It was the opposite of commodity hardware, luxurious stuff. I still rue the day I sold my personal SB2000. But boy do you need to put this into context if you decide to buy something like this. It will chew up a lot of electricity. Fast for the time, it was completely obliterated by everything else shortly after. But but but .... its a hell of a lot of fun architecturally to play with. If you decide you want to learn scalable assembly language for a dead architecture, this might be the ticket.
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thewheelsgoround@reddit

It’s wild to consider that this thing has been positively smoked in all aspects, from a performance point of view with the only exception being storage, by a modern laptop.
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R-ten-K@reddit

> to learn scalable assembly language for a dead architecture, this might be the ticket. I can't think of a worse and more inefficient approach to do such a thing. LOL
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Optimal_Law_4254@reddit

Don’t get me wrong. If OP can afford it, that’s great. I would probably look into emulators if I were going to play with the architecture.
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Lzrd161@reddit

Cute, a swastika „sun“ on a black server
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spoonified@reddit

Sadly even if it is free you couldn't really do much with it other than look at in your garage. There is a good chance the software licensing wouldn't be transferred with the sell of the system. But that is a minor point, just being able to power it up is very unlikely. Unless you own a datacenter, or a warehouse with industrial zoning you will not be able to power it up with out paying for a new transformer. Depending on where you are getting permission from the city to get 3 phase power is super unlikely. Or buying a giant diesel generator, are really the only way to even power it up. Back in 2005 I bought an SGI Origin 3800 to part out. In order to sell the parts I needed to power it up and test the parts. Luckily the business I worked for let me borrow there 90KVW generator to do so.
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LocomotionJunction@reddit

Feels like Lester crests room from GTA. Lord knows he'd have one of these.
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john0201@reddit

Definitely looks cool. Not sure I could stomach the power bill for the equivalent horsepower of a 10 year old iPhone, but it passes the cool test.
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ThomasJFlack@reddit

OMFG - that was my "last" Sun sort of. I worked at a national lab and we always got all kinds of pre-release and prototype Sun kit. Our first 10K had a "serial number" on blue painter's tape, with no model info anywhere. After the E10K was announced, they came and replaced a bunch of panels to give ones with the proper model and brand info. Side note - this wasn't originally a Sun product! It was derived from a prototype from Cray Research Superservers in San Diego, who was bought by SGI as part of buying Cray. Then SGI sold CRS to Sun...
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ThomasJFlack@reddit

Forgot to mention - my first Sun was a dimple-top 3/50. Sun was a part of my career for almost 20 years.
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jjw867@reddit

I worked in a shop that had about a dozen E10K's, E15K's and E25K's. Along with around a hundred of the smaller, but similar E6800's and another 500+ smaller Sun servers Compared to a modern UNIX or Linux machine, all of these machines were complicated to deal with. You had service processors and systems just to configure and manage the hardware. All of the big machines were used to run Oracle. Several of the E25K's were clustered together with Oracle RAC for an attempt at high availability. I doubt it made any sense to run anything but Oracle on them. You would have literally dozens of Gigabit Ethernet interfaces, dozens of Fibre Channel ports. The I/O cards were all PCI or PCI-X, and thus not so fast. This made just configuring the I/O pathing a pain. There were large Visio drawings of just how the system was setup and configured. Then there would be multiple Cisco 6500 switches and FC directors next to them to try to aggregate all of the I/O. I also recall they needed at least three pairs of power cables, each pair went to a different PDU in the data center. Even wiring it up for power was complicated. Sun usually took about a week from physical delivery of a machine to when they would hand it over to us. It took 3-4 Sun engineers working on one all week to install, test and configure. We had a Sun office in the data center and Sun had full time engineers on site. Sun did not allowed themselves to take accounting credit for the sale until it has passed initial installation diagnostics and testing. This created a lot of drama once, when someone at Sun forgot to include power cables with a unit. There was arguing over who was going to pay for the $6000 in power cables. So the machine sat on the DC floor for months without power and Sun unable to take financial credit for the sale. In the mid 2000's the list price of a typical big configuration (64-128 CPU's, \~512GB RAM, and a smorgasbord of I/O) was around $3M, but the price we paid was about $1M each. The systems also could take 30-60 minutes to boot from the POST. This made for a lot of fun drama if the machine would panic and crash. The Fujitsu PrimePower 2500 was a similar SPARC/Solaris machine, but even bigger. It was cooler and more capable.
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michaelpaoli@reddit

>doubt it made any sense to run anything but Oracle on them Oh, lots of other huge things ran on 'em, but Oracle was certainly common, if not chief, among 'em. Yeah, I remember manager of one of our largest E10Ks, and huge Oracle database, and was highly insistent on only DBAs with substantial data warehouse be allowed anything but quite restricted access ... because many of the other DBAs - even those that ought well know better, would repeatedly screw up and cause issues. E.g. failing to use summary tables, failing to use indexes, doing dumb sh\*t like things causing full table scans that would bog the host down - and would take days or more to complete - and when there was (almost?) always a much more efficient way for the DBA to actually get whatever they were actually after. Yeah, a lot of DBAs would occasionally get their hands slapped for screwing up. When there's 10+ cabinets/racks of direct attached sorage, the answer is not, "Oh, just scan the whole DB for that bit of data you're looking for". 8-O
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RCHeliguyNE@reddit

IMO any DBA that has to be told to use (or create) proper indexes for their queries isn’t a DBA. Same with any performance tuning of queries or other statements. This is the providence of app programmers that are missing foundational database design constructs. <signed snarky DBA>
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michaelpaoli@reddit

Yeah, I was pretty heavily involved with E10K before it was E10K ... Starfire, under NDA, already installed and running on-site, had one of the earliest, S/N was well below 100, I think it was sixty-something or so. Also did lots of acceptance/"torture" testing on such. Founds issues along the way, but Sun was always, "Oh, that's not a hardware issue, that's a software issue ... we'll patch that for you" ... and they did. Along the way, I also managed to break Solaris in a way nobody had ever broken Solaris before. ;-) Yeah, I tested very heavily and thoroughly (for months!), and, at least allegedly, we never found a *hardware* bug. Those things were beasts at the time, nobody else had \*nix at that time that could scale to that size as a single system image (and of course it could be hardware partitioned into multiple smaller systems). I think we started with relatively minimal configuration - enough to handle 2 or 3 partitions, and had about 2 or 3 cabinets/racks of storage attached to it. By the time we outgrew it, I think we had the E10K itself pretty much maxed out, or near to it, and had somewhere in the range of 10 to 15 cabinets/racks of storage direct attached to it - lasted a fair number of years (probably half dozen or more) before our largest application grew that large ... by then I think we had around half a dozen E10Ks on-site in our various data centers - so the hardware didn't go to waste at all - though one app did finally outgrow it - it was a huge "data warehouse" project, ... though it was called "data mart", for mostly political purposes (most notably because earlier someone did a data warehouse project with millions of dollars, years, on other hardware, and miserably failed, so, "data warehouse" kind'a left a bad taste and aversion in everyone's mouth, so .. it was called "data mart". And, damn smart manager of that data mart. Rather than try and such in everything and build some huge thing - at least initially, he started with very scalable platform (E10K, etc.), found the need and budget, built that highly successfully, made folks aware of that, and, lather, rinse, repeat - keep finding needs and budget and successfully adding/growing/building each; also had enough in budget to generally stay moderately ahead of needs and further budget - so things could generally be implemented quite quickly, as hardware capacity was generally already there ... and the increased budget for additional applications/needs generally built out more hardware to cover for the next needs that would come up - so was highly responsive in meeting needs/requirements with relatively short lead times, as generally the needed hardware and capacity was already there.)
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HansMoleman31years@reddit

Oh, there was plenty of hardware fuckery on the e10k’s too … 400mhz US-II chips with ecache parity issues? We changed over 1000+ of those damn CPUs with the “Sombra” modules that had mirrored SRAM … As I recall, the PCI I/O boards also had some weird issues. They were fairly rare but I was trying to pump as much I/O as I could ... Not to mention some of the CSB and clock boards we had to replace over the years. So, to whomever said there were never hardware issues … a quick “power -off -B” to them. :P
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R-ten-K@reddit

$9K ??? that's mental. LOL
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rhet0rica@reddit

Consider the scrap value—it'd probably be worth a chunk of change even to some philistine with a smelter.
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R-ten-K@reddit

LOL. No. If anything they should pay $9K to take it out.
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m-in@reddit

There’s more easily recoverable gold there than $10 worth.
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roostie02@reddit

there really isnt
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m-in@reddit

Really? Well, I obviously don’t do gold recovery, but if all those eBay sellers listing chips with gold-plated pins for “gold recovery” are to go by, there is some market there. Is that whole box really devoid of gold-plated pins and other parts?
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R-ten-K@reddit

There are tiny traces of gold in these CPUs. You're likely going to not get that much out of it, once you factor in the costs of the smelting and transport.
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thewheelsgoround@reddit

Check out boardsort.com - they break down scrap prices by weight and item type. This would definitely be worth multiple thousands as scrap but would also take a lot of labour to break down.
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R-ten-K@reddit

Nah. Nobody is paying thousands of dollars for a bunch of 25+ year old boards. The labor costs just to get a few of the chips with gold bonding/plating in them, plus the energy costs for the smelting, plus the transportation would just overshadow any actual gold that may be in there. You literally need hundreds or thousands of the specific chips to get any meaningful quantity of gold enough to offset the costs of extracting it.
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ms993@reddit

I checked their price list, I think they would offer $1200 for this behemoth. Which is probably way less than the shipping cost.
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Ok-Web-7451@reddit

It's fun to think that nowadays a literal smartwatch you can wear on your wrist is more powerful than a computer that needed a room of its own to fit...
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michaelpaoli@reddit

Uh, gee, what smartwatch can have 10+ cabinets/racks of storage direct attached to it?
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Ok-Web-7451@reddit

A single eMMC can hold more nowadays
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michaelpaoli@reddit

Sure, but you can't attach 10+ cabinets/racks of direct attached storage, be it of late 1990s, or current, to your smartwatch, whereas you can still attach 10+ cabinets/racks of today's storage to an E10K.
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mougrim@reddit

Also it’s loud as hell, power-gobbling and heats like an industrial heater.
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michaelpaoli@reddit

And even way the hell louder when it's first powered on - as it defaults to absolutely maximum air flow - that only drops after it's further into the start-up process and figures out it's not that hot and can reduce the fan velocities. And takes a fair while to get to that point - even at minimal settings, the POST took quite some while to run - so you've got at least a few, if not more like 10+ minutes at start with those fans all going absolute full force.
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mougrim@reddit

And if I not mistaken, it takes a separate full-sized Sun workstation to set it up.
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michaelpaoli@reddit

Yes, though they recommend two, for redundancy. Don't need 'em to run it, but do need it to (re)configure, fully monitor, etc.
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mougrim@reddit

Ahh, recognising old good Sun…
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borkman2@reddit

These are supposed to be downsides? :)
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photogrammetery@reddit

As a wise man once said, with great power comes great electricity bill
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Optimal_Law_4254@reddit

Hmm…. My basement IS kind of cold…
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mlongue1@reddit

... this exactly fits the ' vintage computing moniker '… …
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mlongue1@reddit

better make sure it is powered down/disconnected… before some drunk decides to use it as a porta-potty!!!… although… the light show could be rather spectacular!!…
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Toph_as_Nails@reddit

If I had but sufficient space...
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MechanicalTurkish@reddit

You won’t need your furnace anymore
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michaelpaoli@reddit

But you'll need hell'a air conditioning / heat pump(s) / chiller(s) if you don't already have that.
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Jazzlike-Will3422@reddit

We used to call them StartFire, apparently that happened at some point, not sure if true.
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michaelpaoli@reddit

That was the pre-release code name, so was StarFire when I was first dealing with 'em. Only became named as E10K (Ultra Enterprise 10000) shortly before (or when) it became an announced product. I was using 'em year(s) before that, even had our first one installed on-site long before that (all under NDA, until it was an announced product, and even then, much of our pre-release experience with it remained under NDA).
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zzpza@reddit

Wow. The company I worked for in the early 00's bought one of these, and it had a security escort when it was being delivered, it was that expensive. We had to have the floating floor reinforced in the computer room for it to stand on. It came with two Ultra 5 workstation as service processors that managed the chassis.
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michaelpaoli@reddit

Oh yeah, I think even the most base stripped down minimal started at over a million dollars. And fully loaded, just for the E10K itself and boards and components in it could go easily to many multiples of that.
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Abject-Definition-63@reddit

I bought one about 5 years ago from a university, I think it was around $200, but I sadly underestimated just how difficult it was to move, Alone, I couldn't safely flip it onto the side to slide into my van even after removing most of the pieces, which is what I do when I buy normal racks of servers. I have a lot of parts from it, but ended up calling a scrapper to come pick it up.
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michaelpaoli@reddit

Yeah, I think their documentation and such calls for at least 3, if not 4, people, to be able to move it.
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jefhaugh@reddit

Performance wise, how would this compare to a modern consumer computer (e.g., Mac or Windows)?
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michaelpaoli@reddit

Well, CPUs have certainly gotten (much) faster, memory larger, etc. But ... you could hang dozen or more cabinets/racks of storage, directly attached, to that E10K. See how far you get trying to connect 500+ storage drives directly to your Mac or Windows machine.
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chronos7000@reddit

The last time one of these showed up, I asked if it was like certain old mainframes that (as of the last time I knew) still had viable utility at certain kinds of calculations, and you could still sell time on. It is not. It is an expensive way to turn electricity into noise and heat.
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R-ten-K@reddit

Incredibly slow. The CPUs in this thing were in-order UltraSPARC II. Even back in the day, an old Core2 CPU @ 3GHz was well over 20 times faster than a 400Mhz US II. And a modern M-series PE core is easily 10x faster than a Core2. So on a per core/thread basis, an apple silicon SoC could be well over 2 orders of magnitude faster. The performance is even worse if we take the power consumption for that system vs. a Macbook pro, for example. So you're likely able to run solaris on an emulated system on a modern laptop, faster than on that big iron natively. At a fraction of the power.
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Practical-Hand203@reddit (OP)

I found a Specfp95 (floating point) score for a Pentium III 750 from 2000-ish at 25.1. The UltraSparc II 400 used in the E10k achieves slightly more at 25.7 according to the data sheet, and an E10k can have up to 64 of them. There are lots more variables (hardware architecture, OS, interconnects, etc.) that only the experts will be able to properly account for.
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time4nap@reddit

if I had my a fleet of ICBMs back in the early 90s and need a reliable targeting and launch mission management computer this would be at the top of my shopping list.
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michaelpaoli@reddit

I dunno, given how long it takes to boot, better have at least two or more of 'em on entirely independent power systems and UPSs and generators.
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Starkoman@reddit

Maybe you could pick up an old, period-accurate ICBM in the same auction? It’d be so lovely to have them back together again. Don’t suppose you’d fancy sending it for a faster than the speed of sound spin down Pennsylvania Avenue, perchance? You know, for fun.
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Morty_A2666@reddit

StarFire is an adequate name as it needs about that much energy to power on operate...
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michaelpaoli@reddit

Also, when you have about 10 to 15 cabinets of drives storage directly attached ... yeah, Sun had a way of daisy-chaining some control cables to those ... so they wouldn't all fire up at once. Yeah, cold start in your data center ... may handle the continuous current fine, but spinning all those up from cold at the same time, ... no. So, yeah, large E10K and whole bunch of attached storage, could well take 30 minutes to an hour or more to boot up from a totally cold start. And that's if one has the diagnostics turned down to quite minimal levels - crank the POST diagnostics up, and could take half a day or more.
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AccomplishedSugar490@reddit

Had one, pushed its limits,, back in the day, lovely way to spend OPM.
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ArielMJD@reddit

Wow, that looks beautiful. Those specs are pretty crazy even for today, although being stuck on a dead architecture wouldn't exactly be ideal. I think I'll stick with my Sun Ultra 10 workstation since it actually fits beside my desk.
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jzbash@reddit

Love it ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
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msalerno1965@reddit

Does it come with CoD licenses? LOL - !LOL No seriously... I remember the CoD (Capacity On Demand) licensing showing up around 2004 or so in the SunFire x800 series, but I don't know how it permeated the rest of the product line. It would be funny if someone spun this up and it wouldn't run more than one CPU long enough to go "nope!". Little known factoid: Using CoD, if you didn't license all the CPUs on a single CPU board, RAM interleave was disabled giving you half/quarter the RAM bandwidth. I used this argument to avoid using it whatsoever in a SunFire cluster. It add 2% to the total hardware cost of the project to license all installed CPUs. Without that, the memory performance was halved. Suckahs...
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stq66@reddit

Why would a company buy such a beast and then only use a fraction of the hardware it had paid?
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roz303@reddit

IBM does that on their power and Z systems. It fucking sucks.
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therocketsalad@reddit

IBM's been doing that since the 50's
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roz303@reddit

well teeeeeechnically i is a descendant of system/3 and Z a descendant of the 370 soooooooo ... yeah fuck them
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CeldonShooper@reddit

This is standard in mainframe land since the 1950s. You buy more than you need but only pay for it once you scale. You have to remember that for companies that buy such gear it was "the cloud" before the cloud existed. Compute and storage were extremely precious, and network connections both inside and outside the building were very slow and also expensive.
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Loan-Pickle@reddit

The rational is that you can spec the hardware with what you'll eventually need, but don't need now. Later down the road you can upgrade by applying the key and not have to take downtime. I don't know anyone that used it in practice. Usually what ended up happening is that you would would order the hardware and forget the CoD entitlements and then have to do an MES as soon as the machine showed up so you can have the capacity. I had to do that a couple of times.
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Rowanforest@reddit

Wow that's a PROPER cabinet size!
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Jim-Jones@reddit

Is it slower than a $200 laptop?
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DiscountDog@reddit

E10K! I was at Sun 1993-2010 (and on for some years under the Oracle regime). Those boxes did a lot to pay my houses off, put my kids through school (two EEs - one went on to design chips at A Company You Read About, the other is mid-level exec at a another Company You've Heard Of \[and fabbed several generations of SPARC back in the day\]). Loved those boxes, loved their Cray history. Love the idea of those boxes. Can't imagine operating one today, even for fun. But there's probably someone out there that has an app that runs on them, that needs one, even for spares. You don't marry your hardware or OS, you marry your apps. Sometimes you need just the right hardware and OS.
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Long-Shine-3701@reddit

want.
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West-Way-All-The-Way@reddit

This will make a great wardrobe and the price is great for a custom super nerdy wardrobe, so totally worth it! 👍
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Starkoman@reddit

Nah, store all your video’s on it — so handy to watch them in bed. Wake up in the middle of the night to find that E10k StarFire glowing red and looking at you.
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Ornery-Practice9772@reddit

So portable
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Starkoman@reddit

Just don’t forget to take the hard drives out when you shift it.
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6425@reddit

Just need a small nuclear reactor and you’ll be all set.
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Starkoman@reddit

…I may know just the guy.
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Phydoux@reddit

Even if I got that in the door, I doubt my sub-flooring would be able to handle that weight... 2,000 pounds in that small space is a LOT of weight for wooden flooring. Now, put that into a corner in a garage on a thickly poured concrete floor and that might work. It'll be out in the garage hidden from visitors unless you plan on showing it to people. But I think it would work in a garage on thick concrete. Most Garages have a 240 outlet in it especially if it's an attached garage and it's where the washer and dryer live. Most dryers run on 240v (mine does anyway). Now, I wouldn't run the server off that plug as the dryer AND that server on the same circuit would result in a lot of power interruptions while drying clothes. Depending on where your breaker panel is though, you could easily add another 240 circuit and let it run on its own 24o circuit. An attached garage may be a better option as well especially if it shares the heating and AC vents from the house. That would take care of the temperature requirements for sure. Looks like a fun toy. But at $9K... I'd sadly have to pass on it.
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Navydevildoc@reddit

You would need multiple high amp 240 volt circuits... like 4.
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Starkoman@reddit

Spec sheet says 200-240 single-phase VAC, 47-63 Hz, 24A per line cord (up to five redundant line cords).
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Phydoux@reddit

I was actually thinking 480.
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DavidLaderoute@reddit

HSheIte!!
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dacydergoth@reddit

I had access to the London office one wheN I was at SUN PS. Total beast of a machine. Could probably emulate it on an x86 SFF these days, if it had enough ram (2TB).
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Major-Hooters@reddit

The history behind this machine is interesting also. It’s a product of Cray Research and Sun Microsystems engineering. It would have been the first of many iterations but SGI bought Cray and let Sun have its Investment back. Sun made a lot of money off this system and SGI missed a huge opportunity to do the same with this. SGI has really made some bad mistakes and because of that it was a slow bleed before it died.
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VintageComputingLab@reddit

We have one of those
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colin8651@reddit

Can this run Crysys? Honest question!
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roostie02@reddit

seller sounds like a moron
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einTier@reddit

I wouldn’t pay for it. It’s basically junk at this point. Cool junk but junk nonetheless. They should pay you to take it. [Here’s a thread from four years ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/Skookum/s/NWSaRzRuyE) where someone got one for free. Good reading if you think this is ever going to run again.
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noisydaddy@reddit

I worked for Sun Federal at the time of the Oracle purchase. I had the obscure, dormant parts of NASA that no one else wanted. I would meet with engineers and they would speak about Sun like it was an old girlfriend. “Yes, I had a SPARC in the ‘90s… nothing better… miss it sometimes… but, you know, time passes and I had to move on. Can’t see myself ever getting back with one.” It was the lure of that cheap Dell cluster that came between them.
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IdealBlueMan@reddit

My company got a SparcStation (pizza box) when it was introduced. For kicks, I tried playing the old CRT game Snake on it. It wasn't just fast. It was so fast you could only see random characters flashing on the screen. I hate to think my 5-year-old PC would make it look like an Altair.
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Navydevildoc@reddit

I support NASA JPL and I can tell you they still have SPARC Solaris running for some very niche mission requirements. It's been a long road for them migrating off of it. Red Hat is their new platform of choice.
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Thick_Temperature794@reddit

@confusingperspective
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DeepDayze@reddit

This system was Sun's answer to the mainframe.
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SpiritualZucchini938@reddit

I'll happily play zsnes on it 😊👍
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CookiesTheKitty@reddit

Glorious machine with an excellent design.
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redrabbitreader@reddit

Brings back memories! I used to be a SysAdmin and later also an Oracle DBA working on the e10k and later the e15k. Vehicle financing applications mainly. Wonder what it would be like to work on these amazing machines again. I think those were simpler days.
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blujackman@reddit

Set it up for Bitcoin mining and heat your house as well! The seller clearly suffers from a serious lack of vision.
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Haig-1066-had@reddit

Cant it be both?
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Busy-Emergency-2766@reddit

I will buy it and make it a tool box, or a closet for my clothes and shoes. I don't think I can afore the monthly energy bill. Although 9K is a little bit too excessive for something like that.
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Farpoint_Relay@reddit

Wow, what a blast from the past, I remember we a cluster of those where I used to work, replaced our SGI Origin 2000's...
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ewayte@reddit

Sun used to have an empty E10k in their booth at the Oracle conferences. They used it for storage (boxes, coats, etc.)!
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fieryfox654@reddit

As soon when I look at this picture I was so confused... Why is this desktop tower massive? Wait, is it perspective? \*reads title and text\* ohhh nevermind
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ksuwildkat@reddit

Ho Lee S*it
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watrbar@reddit

It will definitely make your room warmer.
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fbaldassarri@reddit

it will costs 9k/month just in electricity to keep it going… but it’s a very treasure.
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bio4m@reddit

I worked on some of these back in the day but dont really have any nostalgia for them. They were work systems and I was never a big fan of Solaris. Combine that with the insane size. weight, power and cooling requirements and it makes for a lot of good reasons to not own one.
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octahexxer@reddit

Might get a medal from the local power company for keeping them in the market
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gobozgz@reddit

Just Beautyful
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ceojp@reddit

Fuck, that's glorious!
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