‘1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code.’ - Microsoft to Replace All C/C++ Code With Rust by 2030

Posted by Kodiak01@reddit | sysadmin | View on Reddit | 247 comments

https://www.thurrott.com/dev/330980/microsoft-to-replace-all-c-c-code-with-rust-by-2030 >“My goal is to eliminate every line of C and C++ from Microsoft by 2030,” Microsoft Distinguished Engineer Galen Hunt writes in a post on LinkedIn. “Our strategy is to combine AI and Algorithms to rewrite Microsoft’s largest codebases. I fail to see how this could possibly end any way other than amazingly bad.

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Upset-Wedding8494@reddit

That’s because you are a logical person who has perceived that AI is poisoning practically everything it touches. Microsoft is destroying their core products by trusting AI over human beings.

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PowerShellGenius@reddit

Microsoft & most other big tech companies have continually questioned the value of the developers who built their core products and made their companies as successful as they are today. A silicon valley developer may have been "highly paid" (but nothing compared to an exec, and really more comparable to an airline pilot who needs a third of their education level to make $200k). These companies got tired of paying developers what they are worth, so to save money, they started laying them off in droves & hiring less experienced developers in ***India***, having the product teams work with them across language barriers and time zones. Even politicians who are generally in favor of protecting American jobs turn a blind eye to it. Mr. Tariff Everything will tariff physical goods imported from India, but put no penalty at all on shipping 10,000 American jobs to India as long as those jobs take place in front of a computer, because it's not really about protecting America's economy but just pleasing his blue collar base. It's also a national security issue, India is one of the largest growing non-NATO countries unsure of its allegiances & one of the largest users of Microsoft on-prem products is the US military... and we all know closed-source code hides tons of bugs anyone with access to the source code could exploit.... There are so many reasons this offshoring shit is not okay, beyond just the enshittification of products, but everyone who can do anything about it has a share of the short term profits of doing so... thus, it continues.

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Kodiak01@reddit (OP)

LLMs do have viable narrow-use cases, but one has to always maintain reasonable, realistic expectations.

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Upset-Wedding8494@reddit

Yes, but allowing them to submit PRs as if they are developers is not one of them.

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AndyGates2268@reddit

Who understands what the changes do? Don't ask the LLM, it'll make pleasing shit up.

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Upset-Wedding8494@reddit

LLMs are becoming increasingly sophisticated gaslighters, almost as if they’re training on the best material available

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Longjumping-Lion3105@reddit

Microsoft will continue with their practice of making paying customers be their testers… I wonder what sort of fun we will have in the coming years.

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Secret_Account07@reddit

Help manage a datacenter with over 5,000 Windows servers and tens of thousands of endpoints. The fact I haven’t ever gotten a cent from MS for the QA our team does and reporting bugs to MS feels like theft.

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badaboom888@reddit

ask yourself, would you accept a fleet of say 5k cars for which you needed to continually fault find issues while under warranty?

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SecureThruObscure@reddit

If you’re buying from Chrysler the answer is yes, especially in the fiat years. Ask me how I know.

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Beznia@reddit

Sounds like my 2022 Ford Maverick. I have a stack of letters for 15 recalls, an offer of a free engine replacement before 100K miles, and I'm sure many more to come.

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tijtij@reddit

I was curious and I did some Googling. You should take the engine replacement offer. The recall is a response to an issue with engines catching on fire, sounds serious.

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badaboom888@reddit

so we are comparing the shittest car with the shittest OS?

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SecureThruObscure@reddit

If the fucking thing fails to turn on without restarting to update, resetting to apply the update, and randomly locking up in the middle of use, I guess we are.

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git_und_slotermeyer@reddit

And now they will focus 100% of AI; writing AI code for AI frameworks for an AI Windows desktop with AI settings. A good excuses that no-one will care for actual productivity. I get it, AI will solve * that when you search for an installed program on your PC, the first search result is from Bing (Surely, in the future the first search result will be Copilot explaining all the facts around that program) * that Windows Explorer still is a crappily performing app with a crap UI, failing at the most basic tasks * that a newly purchased notebook in 2025 with a clean factory image, an i7 CPU and 32GB RAM is basically performing like a 15 year old notebook, and if you unplug the power supply, you think you are back in the year 1995 desktop performance-wise * that you still waste hours opening and saving files, as every app chooses a different open/save file UI widget, and all of them are stupid enough not to actually respect your current working directory as a context. Yeah, all this is solved already adding another layer of "Favourites" shortcuts to your system. I bet not.

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JaschaE@reddit

Oh, that first one is silly. CoPilot will generate an unskipable AI ad for a program that is entirely unrelated to what you are trying to do, but has a name beginning with some similar letters as the one you are looking for. Your mouse movement will be tracked to ensure you pay attention. This eating half your RAM (on idle) is a side-benefit

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dwhite21787@reddit

$5 says Clippy makes a comeback

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psycobob1@reddit

How dare you talk about Clippy like that, He is a Saint compared to today's fuckery of data harvesting, Clippy did not want to read your documents, He just wanted to offer templates to help you format to pre established standards of the time. To disparage Clippy like that is to liken an iron goblet to a cup made up of sun baked horse manure.

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dwhite21787@reddit

Good point about not reading docs. I’d say half-baked manure.

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HardRockZombie@reddit

Mouse movements will be tracked?? Not resource intensive enough and people could still look away, they’ll track your eyes using the webcam to make sure they’re focused don the ad

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JaschaE@reddit

Pretty sure thats a Sony patent (no, realy, they took it out for TVs but I doubt their lawyers are amateurish enough that it's not applicable to other screens)

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Mizerka@reddit

Fun fact unless you specifically dig through tos and opt out, your TV takes screenshot of any content displayed in screen and analyses audio, some as often as 10ms, Merry Christmas

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JaschaE@reddit

I'm okay with that, as I don't own a TV (Dumb displays only) A guy I know works at a company that runs ads for smart-TVs. Their system will display the ads that are bidding the most money at that specific point in real-time, kind of a stock-exchange for ads. Give it one or two iterations and that will be paired with some semi\*-legal database of the TVs owner and family structure... \*absolutely fucking illegal and immoral, but getting discovered will result in a 10€ fine and having to pinky promise you'll never get caught again.

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tharagz08@reddit

Holy shit is this list on point. Crazy how far we have fallen on the consumer Windows OS front. And unfortunately I dont see it changing

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krokodil2000@reddit

They will force you to switch to a cloud-only Windows where your device is just a thin client. The UI will be super snappy and idiot-proof but you will have no control over your data. Using an older version of Windows will become illegal.

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Tall_Put_8563@reddit

this kinda shit, will make me switch to linux at home.

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LBSmaSh@reddit

I've done the switch 3 years ago. No regret at all. Best move and i wish i've done it before. I honestly feel less stressed using linux at home. The OS is there and responds to your needs and that's it. No bullshit popups, no ads, no bloatware.

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Tall_Put_8563@reddit

but im a gamer....

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Rambles_Off_Topics@reddit

If Windows 11 is super slow for you, on any hardware that came out within the last 5 years, you have other issues than the OS.

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LBSmaSh@reddit

Depends on the games you play. I play old games. Wine and steam do the job for me. You can check https://www.protondb.com/ for steam games and see if they are compatible. If its games like that have anti cheat, check https://areweanticheatyet.com/ and see if the games are supported.

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Tall_Put_8563@reddit

i ant doing any of that $hit. I wanna just install and play.

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LBSmaSh@reddit

It's as you wish brother. I totally understand the feeling of going to look for each game and see if it's supported or not. It might be painful in some cases where the game requires a few hoops to make it play. For GoG games that have a linux installer, it is install and play. With steam, the same thing if it has a linux installer. If not, it will install but might need a specific proton version for it to run. We will hopefully reach a point in time where all companies will offer a linux installer but for now, its how it is. Best of luck to you and with the decision that you will take

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ThrowAwayTheTeaBag@reddit

Me too. Garuda linux on a 100% AMD system, only things I can't run are things like Fortnite and Warzone and Valorent - all of which could disappear tomorrow and my life would be unchanged. Baldurs gate? Helldivers 2? Risk of rain 2? Clair Obscur? Pretty much every game in my 1000+ steam library? Works fine. I'd never go back to Windows at home.

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Intrepid-Cry1734@reddit

>No bullshit popups, no ads, no bloatware. That's how I have windows configured, but the day that's no longer possible I'll make the switch. I know the time is coming eventually but for now it's personally been easier for me to figure out how to disable any crap I don't want instead of learning a new OS.

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ItsAHardwareProblem@reddit

I made the switch because of various reasons like the ones above, and besides a small issue trying to get 2.5gb Ethernet drivers to work it’s been smooth sailing and incredibly fast

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AmoebeSins@reddit

\> * that when you search for an installed program on your PC, the first search result is from Bing (Surely, in the future the first search result will be Copilot explaining all the facts around that program) * that Windows Explorer still is a crappily performing app with a crap UI, failing at the most basic tasks * that a newly purchased notebook in 2025 with a clean factory image, an i7 CPU and 32GB RAM is basically performing like a 15 year old notebook, and if you unplug the power supply, you think you are back in the year 1995 desktop performance-wise * that you still waste hours opening and saving files, as every app chooses a different open/save file UI widget, and all of them are stupid enough not to actually respect your current working directory as a context. Yeah, all this is solved already adding another layer of "Favourites" shortcuts to your system. 1) What? I just tried this on my Windows 11 and the first search that comes up is NOT bing. It was exactly what I was looking for? 2) What? Crappy performing? For me, it works WAY better than windows 10. All smooth. Maybe update your PC? Crap UI? Its basically the same as W10 with some trivial differences and some other better ones. 3) That is just pure conjecture. If you ACTUALLY tested a 15 year old notebook against at 2025 Windows 11 fresh note book you would NOT experience this. Pure bullshit. 4) This I can agree with. But that is more or less an independent developer issue. MS offers standards but devs don't have to comply. Honestly if you are going to shit on Windows don't do it by half lying cos its just so disingenuous.

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Kurlon@reddit

So, you haven't gotten the tweaked start menu search prefs yet, that require a freaking reg key as the only way to disable. I just went through chasing down how to stop that last week. Meta key, start menu pops up, type 'OBS' to start, ya know, OBS and instead I'm seeing Bing info about OBS, not the shortcut to start it. Preferring Bing over looking over my start menu first. This is real and rolling out to users.

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Ssakaa@reddit

I'm not sure it would work with OBS, since it's such a short name, but if you're looking for, say, Steam, I've had my best luck leaving off the last letter, i.e. Stea ... much more jarring than just typing a name and hitting enter, though (which would be most people's habit, totally not a way to magically inflate usage metrics, of course, as that would border on fraud). Some very brief testing here has it finding what I'm actually typing now with full names though. That issue really did feel like blatant metric padding, so if they've quietly patched it out, that'd be wonderful.

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Kurlon@reddit

Yeah, I got bit by this from muscle memory, smack meta key, type two or three letters, stab enter, never looking and wtf why didn't my chosen app open? It's a dumb UI choice, but yeah, the goal is absolutely coming up with an excuse to display more marketing/ads. I can't wait for this to hit enterprise builds... may just preemptively push out the reg change now to make sure I don't have to hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth of my userbase...

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Ssakaa@reddit

I had it for a long while on personal, and I'm pretty sure work devices too, but I just got into the habit of working around it, so I'm not certain. Helps that most of my work stuff's just browser these days, so the couple things I actually need get pinned on the bar. Also. > meta key I will never get used to that rename...

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AmoebeSins@reddit

Nope never had it. I've been on the insider preview and never had it there. Now on the public stable and never had it there either. 3 fresh installs of Windows 11 and when I search what I have on the PC it wont go to bing. It will only do that when you DONT have what you are searching for.

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Bughunter9001@reddit

> It will only do that when you DONT have what you are searching for. This is demonstrably false, even back on windows 10, I can only imagine you might live somewhere that doesn't have this as the default behaviour

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Kurlon@reddit

It's so not a thing that there aren't entire writeups about it either... https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/windows-11-start-menu-web-search.html for example... Nope, no need for that registry key 'cause this doesn't happen. For the record, Insider too, and going back I was also a Tech Net subscriber, getting monthly CDs from Microsoft full of alpha/beta builds, etc, this is not my first rodeo. Do you remember the buzz when Win95 betas started showing up on BBS's? The pref for web over local got flipped on my main Win 11 box with the last monthly update, but as with many of these 'tweaks' it's a staged rollout so different groups get it at different times.

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Redacted_Reason@reddit

1. If you don't have an app on your computer, it pushes web searches, Microsoft Store products, etc 2. He's talking about File Explorer specifically, and he's right... searching on there has been garbage. There are alternatives like Nothing from void tools that searches way more accurately and efficiently. 3. I actually did put W11 on a laptop made around 2010 a couple months ago... had to debloat it a bit, and it's laggy, but Windows never really feels that snappy anymore. It's an exaggeration, of course.

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narcissisadmin@reddit

Only in insane clown world would you dare suggest that W11 is faster than W10. Bruh...just stop.

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jfoust2@reddit

> when you search for an installed program on your PC Stop it, now I'm missing AltaVista Desktop again.

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git_und_slotermeyer@reddit

And Yahoo Desktop Search. It's a problem that has already been solved 20 years ago, but MS still doesn't get it today

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Kuipyr@reddit

They also ignore feedback in the insider preview and then push out broken shit out anyways.

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badaboom888@reddit

should be illegal tbh. The same type of BS that is done in tech would hardly be acceptable in any other industry. You literally pay x$ with basically no actual warranty etc other then yeah we’ll try fix it.

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Ssakaa@reddit

And the "product" is neither something we own, something we're entitled to fix ourselves, nor something that *actually* costs meaningfully more to produce 100 of vs producing 1,000,000 of... though amusingly, SaaS reintroduces scaling cost to the vendor.

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Raskuja46@reddit

Complete ecosystem collapse or at the very least a degradation. We're already seeing functionality slipping from OS to OS.

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cmack@reddit

sadly this is what all software companies do. They should not be held in such high regard.

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Mysterious-Print9737@reddit

He "clarified" in a different post later that it was just a research project and people were "reading between the lines" but it sounds like he got to have a chat with HR and PR.

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dwhite21787@reddit

Dude’s not going to speak publicly again til 2030

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Miserable_Potato283@reddit

Microsoft PR & marketing must be interesting about now, The great unwashed public - Copilot fatigue is very real, we don't like AI The business - does the consumer know about Copilot, we've made significant investments. Bill & Steve suggested we put a Copilot tab in the XBOX App, what else can we do? The marketing team .. https://preview.redd.it/2uu0m0mjf59g1.png?width=882&format=png&auto=webp&s=e132fb4995a279d9588691fbddec7f1d8dc4a7e1

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Few_Round_7769@reddit

>"Boss, all we really need to do is update office.com to be streamlined and AI-forward, with a memorable new name like ***[The Microsoft 365 Copilot app (formerly Office)](https://office.com)***"

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jjwhitaker@reddit

But also this is different from Github Copilot and Copilot Chat, which are separate paid services. They do not overlap please pay us several times for different limitations of the same tool.

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taylorwilsdon@reddit

Damn I thought this was a joke, it’s actually real? That’s absurd, office is one of the most well established brands of all time and copilot is effectively meaningless because they use it to describe so many different things. That’s just absolutely terrible branding.

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KingStannisForever@reddit

So accurate and fitting now. Merry Christmas!

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dustojnikhummer@reddit

Ho Ho Ho...

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TheGreatAutismo__@reddit

Holy Fuck I need a drink.

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dustojnikhummer@reddit

Or an [MP5](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkMjoM2z6co)?

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the_one_jt@reddit

Yes I was thinking the same thing.

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HowdyBallBag@reddit

Speak for yourself. Those that implement it well do well.

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Miserable_Potato283@reddit

On the Joule wave

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inshead@reddit

“Let’s put a Copilot key on all keyboards going forward!”

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Phenergan_boy@reddit

Sometimes, I wonder how much of LLM is real and not just resume engineering

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Tigeire@reddit

Rust in Peace

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Adium@reddit

He also updated his [original post on LinkedIn](https://www.linkedin.com/posts/galenh_principal-software-engineer-coreai-microsoft-activity-7407863239289729024-WTzf/) with: > Update: > It appears my post generated far more attention than I intended... with a lot of speculative reading between the lines. > > Just to clarify... Windows is *NOT* being rewritten in Rust with AI. > > My team’s project is a research project. We are building tech to make migration from language to language possible. The intent of my post was to find like-minded engineers to join us on the next stage of this multi-year endeavor—not to set a new strategy for Windows 11+ or to imply that Rust is an endpoint.

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nascentt@reddit

>“My goal is to eliminate every line of C and C++ from Microsoft by 2030,” Microsoft Distinguished Engineer Galen Hunt writes in a post on LinkedIn. Hmm, reading between the lines? It sounds pretty specific to me.

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arcimbo1do@reddit

Well maybe that's *his* goal, it doesn't have to be Microsoft's goal.

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i860@reddit

Looks like they’re just going to have to hire more activists… err I mean “programmers” to get the job done.

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MarzipanSea2811@reddit

What you didn't know is that he is actually wildly ineffective at his job, what you're reading from between the lines is competence, just because he sets a goal doesn't meant he has the capability to actually achieve it.

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Overdraft4706@reddit

Never believe anything until its officially been denied.

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pixel_of_moral_decay@reddit

Sounds like someone posted on social media without clearing it with corporate communications.

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8492_berkut@reddit

Ah, engineers communicating poorly and causing issues... as is tradition.

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Darwinian999@reddit

As a professional engineer, I resemble that comment. Tradition must be upheld!

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8492_berkut@reddit

You and me both, brother.

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Tymanthius@reddit

Which is hilarious b/c so often tech ppl NEED precision.

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Ambitious-Yak1326@reddit

Here is one spec. Watch 10 vendors implement it in 12 different ways which are not interoperable.

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gsmitheidw1@reddit

Actually I'd say it's even worse because they need a precise design and it doesn't sound like there is any clear plan

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cneakysunt@reddit

Oh god this is so true.

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AppointedForrest@reddit

I'm going to start analyzing communications from engineers to less technical people the way I would UX design and ask myself "what is the most outlandish way this could be interpreted" and assume that's how it will be interpreted.

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BrainWaveCC@reddit

And still find it interpreted twice as bad as you feared...

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technofiend@reddit

Damn, I'd actually enjoy the work itself, too bad Microsoft is a notoriously toxic environment in which to work.

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arwinda@reddit

That's a long stretch from "my goal" to "research project".

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The_Original_Miser@reddit

Yeah. Someone got a talking to.

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syntaxerror53@reddit

So they're not replacing Windows with Rust/AI-based OS. Are we supposed to sing AI-AI-No?

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atehrani@reddit

Research on how to fail at a project?

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kerosene31@reddit

I bet they took his stapler and moved his desk down to the basement.

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Wafflelisk@reddit

Yeahhhh... if you could grab a can of pesticide..... that'd be greaaaaaatttt

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dwhite21787@reddit

brb gonna check fire extinguishers

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NoPossibility4178@reddit

> Microsoft Distinguished Engineer I mean, isn't this just some guy? I highly doubt he could just push to change the entire code base because he felt like it.

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fresh-dork@reddit

no it isn't just some guy, it's a DE - there's under a hundred at MSFT

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ErikTheEngineer@reddit

> I mean, isn't this just some guy? Distinguished Engineers at Big Tech are supposed to be the geniuses they keep hidden away in the box, either for PR purposes (Linus Torvalds, Vint Cerf, etc.) or because they're the one person who still knows how Azure works under the 700 levels of abstraction that were built on top of VMs/networks/storage (Mark Russinovich or similar.) Distinguished Engineers at Medium Tech or Small/Startup Tech are treated like gods, their word is gospel and no mere mortal shall question them. Whether they actually deserve that treatment is highly variable. And in either case, they're given pretty wide latitude except when it's obvious they can't be trusted in front of the media. This sounds like Microsoft didn't tell him that posting resume-driven development fantasies on LinkedIn (let alone AI-driven ones) wasn't allowed without a quick readthrough given his public role.

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TampaRaptors@reddit

“Distinguished” has meaning. His job is a direction-setting technical role.

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fresh-dork@reddit

maybe he could have said that in the original statement?

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fastlerner@reddit

He needed a [Glen](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4OvQIGDg4I&t=10s) on his team.

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zipcad@reddit

He is a distinguished MS engineer. HR and PR didn’t see him. He saw them.

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jdanton14@reddit

What’s funny is that at his level he has absolutely had media training. Source, part-time journalist, full-time architect who works a lot with MS

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azzers214@reddit

TBH - it's very common in companies like this for a project to be greenlit, everything be going forward with everyone in the loop, then the public release causes a reaction they didn't expect or were just didn't consider, and everyone pretends it was how something got worded or something's wrong with the scope. He wouldn't be the first person to release something where the company immediately turns around and goes...umm, nope!

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AnnoyedVelociraptor@reddit

He wanted to get more exposure for his next promotion. LinkedIn post + AI = exposure.

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Raskuja46@reddit

Why does every encounter with Rust feel like a run-in with a cult?

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i860@reddit

It attracts a certain kind of controlling, doesn’t know what they don’t know, type of individual that uses the language as a weapon.

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Raskuja46@reddit

That makes sense.

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HasFiveVowels@reddit

It’s a language with great features and great performance that utilizes an unusual paradigm.

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tmontney@reddit

Serious question: Do you actively develop in Rust?

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HasFiveVowels@reddit

Not actively. I’ve written a few things with it. I really like it but it’s generally not the right tool for my job

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tmontney@reddit

> I’ve written a few things with it. Such as?

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HasFiveVowels@reddit

Why do you care? Haha. I wrote a simple game using bevy

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tmontney@reddit

You seemed to think of Rust positively. Was genuinely curious to hear what you use it for.

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HasFiveVowels@reddit

As a quick follow up on this: part of why I really think rust is going to grow is because I think Java was so OOP in the extreme and so popular that it did us a disservice. Trait based programming is sort of the transpose of OOP and is a lot more in the realm of FP. I think it’s "the language the world is not quite ready for". It has positioned itself really well and working with it is a pleasure. But it doesn’t have a ton of real world use cases right now. If windows shifts to rust, I think that would be amazing. Would be no small effort but C++ has been duct taping itself together for decades and I think it’s about time to put it out to pasture. Other languages like zig have tried to fill this gap. I haven’t seen any contender as strong as rust to fill that "default systems programming language" role that is overdue for a change

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HasFiveVowels@reddit

Ah. Yea, so part of why I think of it positively is because it has really good concurrency control and uses trait based programming, which is really refreshing to work in. It’s particularly good for games and other highly parallel data models. It turned me on to traits. Aside from that, it compiles into WASM, opening the door for a lot of interesting high performance use cases on the web.

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Leading_Buffalo_4259@reddit

Puts on Moneysoft

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JavaKrypt@reddit

He posted an update "Update: It appears my post generated far more attention than intended... with a lot of speculative reading between the lines. Just to clarify... Windows is *NOT* being rewritten in Rust with Al. My team's project is a research project. We are building tech to make migration from language to language possible. The intent of my post was to find like-minded engineers to join us on the next stage of this multi-year endeavor- not to set a new strategy for Windows 11+ or to imply that Rust is an endpoint." It's "research", sounds like a copout for when it goes terribly and doesn't amount to anything

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tmontney@reddit

> with a lot of speculative reading between the lines Just to clarify... Windows is NOT being rewritten in Rust with Al. When the title and subject of the article say the exact opposite and he goes "I can't believe people would think this". The very definition of gaslighting.

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jwrig@reddit

Microsoft has some pretty intense research initiatives. I can recount a time where one of their buildings had elevators wired up with Kinects and could do facial recognition and match up your calendars, then would determine if people getting on were going to a meeting in room, and would automatically go to the floor of that room without you having press the floor button. This was over ten years ago. They do a lot of crazy research so implying that it is a copout excuse is conjecture.

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ErikTheEngineer@reddit

I would imagine Microsoft has pretty much abandoned basic research. The only companies that can support that have monopoly power. Bell Labs was literally the place AT&T dumped the excess money they collected from running the phone system AFTER they paid out to execs and shareholders and covered all costs. Microsoft used to have essentially monopoly power over business computing but that's rapidly eroding (I think Windows is down to 70% or so now.) Google and Facebook also used to have monopoly power over ads and sponsored some crazy blue sky research using one tributary of the river of money coming in every second. Once the money dries up and the C-suite compensation is at risk, all that cool research money disappears. (HP also did the same thing IIRC, to add to the list.)

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jwrig@reddit

You'd be wrong. It isn't hard to confirm, they disclose how much they spend on research, by the way they dump more into research now than they ever have.

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JavaKrypt@reddit

To reduce their tax bills. Doesn't mean it's legitimate R&D. Same applies to all companies these days. You're really deepballing Microsoft to defend their corner.

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ErikTheEngineer@reddit

Building prototype products is one thing, every company does that. I'm talking the Bell Labs model, basically a university setting where they hire Ph.Ds, buy them all the lab equipment they could ever want and see what they can come up with in terms of basic science that helps the company in the long run. Microsoft, Xerox, HP, IBM and a few others had this back when they had dominant market positions that kept the money flowing in. Think of how much money IBM had in the 1970s and 80s, or Microsoft in the early 2000s after having killed NetWare and friends plus wielding basically monopoly power on the business PC landscape. IBM still makes a ton of money licensing older research patents. It's not just a Microsoft thing...any public company is under so much pressure to keep the stock price going up. The only way they can support long term stuff that won't end up in next year's products is if they have 500 Scrooge McDuck-style money bins with rivers of cash flowing in. Like I said previously, AT&T famously over-engineered their network, paid huge dividends and employed a massive workforce...and still had money coming in every single time someone picked up the phone.

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jwrig@reddit

Deep balling here. Jesus. It is insane how people cant handle someone who disagrees, they have to be a shill. Pound sand.

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JavaKrypt@reddit

When you respond to someone with "You'd be wrong" and proceed to paint Microsoft's actions of the last decade in a positive light without an ounce of criticism of what they've been doing for the last few years on the whole, during a period their PR team is trying to spin the past year as positive, yeah I'll say you're a shill? I disagree but don't ultimately care, I don't give Microsoft a penny of my money and I have no investments in their stock. I have no requirement for them to continue to exist as a monopoly tech company, as with most of them. They're now just another "too big to fail" tax dodging AI forward company. Lock you into their ecosystem and continue to raise the price to be held hostage, then claim we've interpreted it wrong and back peddle 🥱

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jwrig@reddit

"I don't think Microsoft is doing basic research." Yet they are and have been doing it for decades is a fact. Saying "they only do it for tax purposes" is a joke of a statement too. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but it is an incorrect opinion

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JavaKrypt@reddit

Don't know why you're putting those statements in quotes when it's not a quote of what I said. They do R&D to reduce tax bills, all companies do it, it's literally its intended purpose so companies are incentivised to reinvest money. That's not an incorrect opinion. The issue is when things are passed off as research to defer responsibilities for when it doesn't work (which not everything will), or to reduce the overhead of doing intended work. The bigger issue of tax dodging is beyond research. So many of their "research" projects in recent years which were intended to be products for profit ultimately failed, but still benefited from tax cuts. Surface Duo, WSA/WSL, UWP. From the top of my head Most previous Windows versions were also classed as R&D, which ultimately failed and would have benefited as such on their tax balance. Midori, is their previous attempt. Now they're just going to vibe code it with AI money

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jwrig@reddit

The first post I responded literally said that. Most of their research is tested standalone before going into other products. The surface duo was a product built off their research around the cuourier which was built off of other research products. Companies like Microsoft invests in all sorts of research and some works, and some doesn't. Dual screens may end up coming back, a lot of it depends. Hololens for example may have not been good for consumers but they were effective in certain industries. Microsoft isn't exclusive to this either. We can look at google who has invested a lot of r and d into products that didn't go anywhere because they were ahead of their time. Apple invests in research that gets abandoned. These companies don't invest in research to save on taxes. They invest in research so they can get a market advantage. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't.

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JavaKrypt@reddit

What they did 10 years ago isn't the same Microsoft today

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jwrig@reddit

Sure, but we are talking about research, they spend more on it now than they ever have. Think about this for a minute, ten years ago they had a system recognizing you, and others getting into an elevator with you, looking across your calendars and assuming you're going to a meeting room based on that, and takes you to the floor the meeting room is on. You're seeing advanced pattern recognition and reasoning and response... Over ten years ago. You don't think for a moment that it is part of their investments in AI research.

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No_Leopard_9321@reddit

Kinect was also crazy ahead of its time, apparently hospitals and other enterprise people are still buying and using the cameras because of how good they are.

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jwrig@reddit

Yes. I helped build a stroke detection system using the Kinect 2. We also used the first gen Kinects for trauma docs to navigate the emr. The kinect 2 was an amazing device. I wish they would have kept it going instead of rolling into the hololens. Hella better than Intel's real sense in my opinion.

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No_Leopard_9321@reddit

That’s cool

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tmontney@reddit

> **My** goal is to eliminate every line of C and C++ from Microsoft by 2030 Microsoft engineer is going to replace, perhaps, 40+ years of code **single handedly**. > Our strategy is to combine AI and Algorithms to rewrite Microsoft’s largest codebases ... with AI Combine this with what r/git_und_slotermeyer said: > it's that it has not ever managed to make fundamental decisions on ending support of legacy application frameworks ... How many frameworks are now on the Windows platform? Win32/MFC, UWP, WPF, WinForms, .NET It's no wonder Rust is being mocked.

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Impressive-Baker-614@reddit

Their wet dream is to be a 1 man enterprise right ? Solo CEO

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AlaskanDruid@reddit

Ah yes debunked title that doesn’t match reality. Do better.

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epackorigan@reddit

I vaguely recall something just like that a few years back but with c# w/ dotnet or something. Still waiting…

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Ginzeen98@reddit

Sysadmin will be dominated by ai in 5-8 years from now.

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ms4720@reddit

why do you think that? sysadmin is repeatable tasks almost entirely and ai does not give consistent results

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nestersan@reddit

Is it thooooooough?

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ms4720@reddit

the vast majority is. then there are events that may change old default to new default, new tech or some rare person does some actually smart, interesting, and useful. these events are not good ai fodder because there is not enough text to munch on to give a good answer, thus prompting crap being returned.

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ms4720@reddit

when I read it did 'Crazy Train' start playing in my head?

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Kodiak01@reddit (OP)

For me, it was Wreck Of The Ol' 97.

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ms4720@reddit

that comes later

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git_und_slotermeyer@reddit

"Distinguished Enginneer"; I don't want to blame him, I'm an engineer too, but that's a perfect example of someone just not seeing beyond their engineering horizon. MS's problem is not what underlying language the codebase is written, it's that it has not ever managed to make fundamental decisions on ending support of legacy application frameworks which make Windows such a total mess. Even MS themselves are not using their own app store properly. And that won't change if you rewrite the entire codebase. Many frameworks are now on the Windows platform? Win32/MFC, UWP, WPF, WinForms, .NET, ... Make a clean cut and end support of legacy apps, why not provide a built-in VM for Win32 apps, so that obscure old legacy app from 2003 can still somewhat run, transparent to the user, but everything else is on a modern, clean, integrated platform. And how many years has it's been since the Frankensteinian new Windows settings UI appeared (was it Windows 7 in the year 2007?), with "modern" UI as well as a complete second layer of "classic" settings dialogues both active, both existing to provide a complete feature set as well as a modern UI. I am confident that when the whole C codebase is moved to Rust, someone will have the idea to provide a third layer of new settings (with AI, so you can speak to your computer to change the audio output interface; wondering how well that will work).

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problemlow@reddit

And I'm sure you'll still have to go back to the original sound settings box in order to set it to use one speaker as the output. As opposed to sending garbled audio out both of the selected devices after you change it in the modern sound settings panel.

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MisterSnuggles@reddit

> Make a clean cut and end support of legacy apps, why not provide a built-in VM for Win32 apps, so that this obscure old legacy app from 2003 can still somewhat run, transparent to the user, but everything else is on a modern, clean, integrated platform. So, the same thing Mac OS X did until Apple got bored with supporting Classic and killed it?

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gex80@reddit

Apple isn't in the enterprise market and doesn't care about those things. Apple's approach is correct, after a certain point, putting man hours into supporting something that is dying off as vendors move to the new style is not financially smart. Especially in a market where majority of your consumers are using it for non-legacy applications. Windows runs on both workstations/laptops and servers from the same code base. If the user world isn't doing something legacy, then server world is. If they start removing backward compatibility in user world, they will need to in server world OR fork the two. A server OS that promises backward compatibility and a user OS that only supports modern apps. The problem is when you have client server software that's running the exact same appilication just different perspective. Then app devs would need to support two versions of the windows app. Many do this already and usually that means they either were smart or have the budget. The smaller unique software from your CNC machine only cares about getting a product out the door that works. Not modern standards to make admin's lives easier.

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Synergythepariah@reddit

>Apple isn't in the enterprise market I mean, they are, but they also have no qualms with cutting legacy support for something if it's a blocker for a higher priority or a drain on resources; they're slowly depreciating the components that allow for directory binding macOS devices - which wouldn't even exist to be depreciated if they weren't in the enterprise market.

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sdeptnoob1@reddit

Too much sense. You need to stop.

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joeyat@reddit

>why not provide a built-in VM for Win32 apps This! They should have done this for Windows 8 when they made their attempt at a 'mobile first' Windows. They have Windows Subsystem for Linux... why not just do Windows Subsystem for Windows! WSW! They could have completely overhauled the OS by now while actually providing better backwards compatibility than they can currently provide. They could even open source Win16/32 or even the entirety of XP and it's driver stack and let the community and businesses take over the support for the ancient legacy hardware that's still out there (banking devices, air traffic control, old CNC hardware, etc.), that they continue to drag behind them. All of it in a secure virtual container, well away from the kernel. What they also need to do asap is to elbow every 3rd party vendor out of kernel space and ring 0… All viruses, game cheat engines, etc., need to get told to get lost. Then they actually need to make some effort and create APIs for 'Direct Anti-Cheat' and just deal with the problem.

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PowerShellGenius@reddit

Killing third party AV's ability to have the same access as Fefender, to a computer bought and owned by a customer who chose that 3rd party AV, is an anticompetitive crime that the entire AV industry will join up and sue for if it happened. But yeah, other typical software doesn't need to run in Kernel mode. Hardware doesn't belong in a landfill if it still works - but they should be focused on finding a way to virtualize old drivers automatically. An old driver that needs to think it is running in kernel mode should be able to run your USB or network printer without actually running in kernel mode.

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CaptainZippi@reddit

IIRC that was the plan in NT3.5(ish) but performance was non-optimal, so they let drivers run in ring 0. After that, well…

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Icedman81@reddit

That reminds me, that NT 6.x series was probably the longest living major NT version there was. You know, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1, some versions of 10...

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Icedman81@reddit

They have. It's called WOW64. You know, the folder that's called WOW64. Wankdows on Wankdows 64. That's where the 32-bit shit lives. And what Wankdows needs is ANFO. Infinite amount of it. Not a shitty wrapper rewrite, but from scratch rebuild. But hey, that's not going to happen, because legacy and shitty ass vibecoders relying on ButtPilot, that can't even document their shit properly. Oh yeah, and the profit margin goes poof, because you'd actually have to have real coders doing real work.

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Ssakaa@reddit

"If I have to replace everything, screw that, I'll buy a Mac." They learned from that when THEY did it to Corel, who chnanged shortcut keys (in diabolically stupid ways) and lost their customer base to Office.

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PowerShellGenius@reddit

Rust does have intrinsic security improvements, though. It won't fix all the security issues - but the specific classes of bugs that tend to be the most inexplicable or "magic" to non-programmers and shatter all security assumptions - the buffer overflows triggered by unexpected input sizes or malformed packets causing data to execute as code - are the product of programming mistakes that are only possible in languages where you have to manage a pointer to memory addresses, increment it through an array, etc. "Memory-safe" languages do improve things. Of course - there are probably more efficient ways to use funds rhan this, since there are plenty of other vulnerabilities that would take less work to mitigate.

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yet_another_newbie@reddit

> How many frameworks are now on the Windows platform? Win32/MFC, UWP, WPF, WinForms, .NET, ... > > > > Make a clean cut and end support of legacy apps, why not provide a built-in VM for Win32 apps, so that this obscure old legacy app from 2003 can still somewhat run, transparent to the user, but everything else is on a modern, clean, integrated platform. Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/927/

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Keensworth@reddit

2030 isn't in 1 month

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BloodFeastMan@reddit

>“My goal is to eliminate every line of C and C++ from Microsoft by 2030,” In other words, we can't trust memory management to AI.

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barney_notstinson@reddit

They should be working for example on Sqlite vulnerability patch, which is not patched for months now. Ai hype will be done in 2 years time when they realise that quality not eqauls with quantity.

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DowntownBake8289@reddit

Does this mean that C/C++ are going to go away? Please forgive me if it's a stupid question.

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RoomyRoots@reddit

The more Microsoft fails the more we have to win. Let them waste their miserable lives away.

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i860@reddit

This is such a typical Rust programmer approach to problem solving. Absolute cult with a major axe to grind at this point and it attracts these kinds of people.

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Pyrostasis@reddit

>I fail to see how this could possibly end any way other than amazingly bad. Nah man they have one of the biggest and most thorough QA departments of any company. US! It'll be fine... eventually. ![gif](giphy|IV2DvTArF5b9u)

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ms4720@reddit

windows 47?

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pppjurac@reddit

"Yes, this will turn out great." lol

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InertiaBattery@reddit

1 bad idea after another

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plazman30@reddit

Rust only fixed a subset of vulnerabilities. Microsoft needs more than. switch to Rust to make their applications more secure.

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Bob4Not@reddit

Linus Torvalds said anyone judging engineers by lines of code is "too stupid to work at a tech company,"

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Jlocke98@reddit

Another good one is "measuring code by lines is like measuring a plane by kilograms"

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No_Leopard_9321@reddit

I judge engineers by how smart they think they are. It’s generally an inverse relationship.

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Bob4Not@reddit

I really like that, I need to remember it.

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usa_reddit@reddit

WindowsNT is now going to be rewritten in RUST. This is hilarious. Nothing will ever work again. I wonder if they know how much legacy C/C++ code from Windows NT is still lurking in Windows11. The house of cards is coming down baby!

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shisnotbash@reddit

I think it’s hilarious that the goal he announced was a bunch of lines of code in another programming language - no mention of what value they want to deliver, how they came up with those numbers, just dumb bravado.

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JoeVisualStoryteller@reddit

For a programmer who lives in true and false trying to bend the rules is very much an amusement to me. He should be fired.

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darkshoxx@reddit

Wait that was a Microsoft employee!??!?!? I thought it was a random Vibe Code Bro off Linkedin who adds "+ AI" to formulas. Holy shorts

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Prestigious_Tie_7967@reddit

Which customers are they trying to lure in with statements like this? Whats the purpose, I mean, they could not find a shittier metric than "lines" of code?!

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IdealParking4462@reddit

But the AI writes bloated code, how else are you going to measure outcomes? If the code works? pffft.

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Spagman_Aus@reddit

omg this has already been clarified, BEFORE you posted those.

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AnomalyNexus@reddit

If you've got to pick a language that's a better bet than most to be fair. Rust compiler + language constraints is very good at surfacing error at compile time rather than runtime like dynamically typed interpreted langs. But yeah as others say he spoke out of turn.

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Hibbiee@reddit

We're not counting the 1000's of consultants who will rewrite the code

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fdeyso@reddit

So Microsoft~300 next year?

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Lukage@reddit

My calculation says Microsoft 297. Pretty close!

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ohiotechie@reddit

This is like a bad Dilbert comic. The volume of code doesn’t equate to productivity. How many times do companies need to learn that lesson?

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trekologer@reddit

It is funny because this was one of Microsoft's complaints when working with IBM on OS/2. IBM calculated productivity by counting KLOCs -- thousand lines of code. But here's the thing -- once the code is already written, working, and tested, unless you have a specific reason to go back into the code (bug fix, performance improvement, new feature), you're wasting time rewriting it simply for the sake of rewriting it.

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ohiotechie@reddit

Indeed

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Kodiak01@reddit (OP)

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

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WWGHIAFTC@reddit

Bring it on. I'll be retired before then... I hope.

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cqzero@reddit

"I fail to see how this could possibly end any way other than amazingly bad." On what basis do you conclude this?

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GhostC10_Deleted@reddit

I'm so glad I already uninstalled Windows at home.

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CuckBuster33@reddit

Same, but we still use that shit at work. Even more work for us in the middle of """"AI-Driven"""" downsizing. What wonderful times.

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GhostC10_Deleted@reddit

I wish I could convince work to remove that garbage, but they're all in on plagiarism software. Gross.

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TeTeOtaku@reddit

I'll give it a few more years then I'll switch on myself. Right now im working with too much legacy software which has no Linux support or alternative and im forced to keep windows. I'm using Linux from time to time but not necessarily because i like it, but because it runs much smoother. My dream is to have someone make a fork if windows with like windows 7 bearbone features but with support for modern software.

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Drywesi@reddit

> My dream is to have someone make a fork of windows with like windows 7 bearbone features but with support for modern software. Right now Linux Mint seems to be the only option like that. Sounds like you want a functional ReactOS.

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TeTeOtaku@reddit

i want a windows without bloatware lmao, thats it. If we look at the way we used a PC 25 years ago when XP launched until now there is maybe MAYBE a 5% difference in the way an average user uses Windows. The only difference in the way we used windows then and now is the amount of bloatware we try to evade and the lack of optimisation we have to face. I want to keep windows but only if we can get rid of the shocking amount of bloatware.

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geusebio@reddit

[maybe for you](https://medium.com/@jr4216232/a-nearly-pixel-perfect-windows-xp-total-conversion-for-xfce-8a356ce9a90b), it was enough for my girlfriend.

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Weewoofiatruck@reddit

CRustaceans

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chuck_cranston@reddit

He should consult the founders of the Terminal App Team. The reason there is a terminal app is because originally they made an attempt a fixing some tiny problems in cmd and the shell. Which resulted in breaking so many scripts and applications written by long dead IT guys that were keeping stuff on oil rigs and factories running.

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Awkward-Candle-4977@reddit

timeplan might be rushed but going from c to rust is great. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory\_safety#Impact](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_safety#Impact) >In 2019, a [Microsoft](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft) security engineer reported that 70% of all security vulnerabilities were caused by memory safety issues.[^(\[7\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_safety#cite_note-7) In 2020, a team at [Google](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google) similarly reported that 70% of all "severe security bugs" in [Chromium](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser)) were caused by memory safety problems.

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LinuxMage@reddit

Worth noting that the Linux kernel is slowly being ported to rust. This could be interesting.

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schroedingerskoala@reddit

It truly gets easier to spot the psychopaths recently.

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-DictatedButNotRead@reddit

Isn't rust just C for frontend Devs?

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ohfucknotthisagain@reddit

We've had an unusually high rate of bad monthly updates in the last year or so. Microsoft has made excellent headway on the path to "amazingly bad".

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Ape_Escape_Economy@reddit

Wait, everyone please, settle down… Rollercoaster Tycoon was written almost entirely in assembly and that game was incredible! 😅

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Kodiak01@reddit (OP)

I still remember typing in assembly code out of 80 Micro into a TRS-80 Model 3. It really sucked when you got a single character wrong and there was no search function at the time!

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aitorbk@reddit

Measuring your engineering efforts In lines of code means your engineering efforts are geared towards unsustainable crap code, Toyota style.

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DomainFurry@reddit

https://preview.redd.it/vlh2qs0nk69g1.jpeg?width=308&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ab644017ded633f5e73ab602968b1a076be51869 Can't wait for the troubleshooting!

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Nathanielsan@reddit

Rewriting Windows with AI might be a W lol

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Kodiak01@reddit (OP)

The AI's personality will be Clippy.

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DonkeyTron42@reddit

This will be Windows Vista bad.

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Kodiak01@reddit (OP)

Microsoft Bob bad.

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hobovalentine@reddit

This is like Elon Musk level of stupid.

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Least_Difference_854@reddit

It's inline with the moto of Microsoft to break things in Production.

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RestartRebootRetire@reddit

So even more critical bugs in Windows Updates?

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Kodiak01@reddit (OP)

The term "critical bug" is being depreciated. The new phrase is "unintended feature".

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RestartRebootRetire@reddit

Wait, I heard they just renamed it to, "Co-Pilot Cutting Edge".

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sdeptnoob1@reddit

I thought this was r/shittysysadmin for a sec.....

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ProfessionalEven296@reddit

In an internal meeting ; “Oh crap, they heard you. Get a rebuttal out right NOW before our best developers leave us!!”

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nroach44@reddit

The DNS MMC still sorts the date value by string. I doubt very much they'll get the buy in to start replacing things willy-nilly.

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Silly-Platform9829@reddit

What, like it wasn't bad enough already?

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vpilled@reddit

ROFL good luck, guys.

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hooblelley@reddit

Fortunately, I switched to Linux a few years ago. I've never looked back or missed anything. I see a lot of updates fixing things that were broken due to this AI slop bullshit.

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TrueBoxOfPain@reddit

Hello Linux my old friend (and i'm win admin, lol)

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Kodiak01@reddit (OP)

I log in late, the office dim, Blue screens hum like a tired hymn, Another patch night, warnings glow, Event logs whisper what I already know. Through the glass of my locked-down shell I see a prompt I can’t quite quell, And in that calm, command-line space I hear a thought I dare not say. ... I long, for Linux.

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theabnormalone@reddit

I read this in the style of The Distance by Cake

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YukonCornelius1964@reddit

She's going ffooorr speed

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mouse6502@reddit

oh, *excellent*

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WTellie@reddit

I’ve come to recompile you again.

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Bob4Not@reddit

Linux mint is now an easier, faster, and more convenient OS for me to use at home than Windows 11.

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clodester@reddit

This is the same company that had a dev say, "Windows 10 is the last OS you'll need." Microsoft shoots themselves in the foot again by promising something they can't deliver.

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Kodiak01@reddit (OP)

Also the one that once said 640k will be all anyone would ever need!

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Loop_Within_A_Loop@reddit

if you needed a sign to move away from windows as much as you are able, this is it

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L-xtreme@reddit

It can't be that much worse can it? It's not like updates now don't break stuff. It will just be more of the same, but then written in rust

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AlexisFR@reddit

That's what some moron said on Linkeding yes, but it doesn't mean much.

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ManyInterests@reddit

Great way to have all your C/C++ engineers start to look for new jobs today.

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Captain_Swing@reddit

I recall Corel doing something similar years ago when they converted WordPerfect and their other office products to Java. It did not go well.

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Massive-Reach-1606@reddit

so more bloated code over low power high speed code? sounds right.

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sebf@reddit

They won’t replace « every » line of code. Maybe a large portion of it, but not the whole thing.

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nikon8user@reddit

2030 means 2060. 🤣

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GremlinNZ@reddit

It's working so well so far... How could it go wrong? Oh wait, how many recent out of band patches have been released because they broke something, because Q&A is releasing to your user base? Server 2025 DCs have major issues talking to other OSs, and that's their latest and greatest... Well... Fuck. One day Linux will be a viable alternative with good RMM support etc and all the cloud apps will make a migration easier (just bring your browser). Now if we could get some good GPO ability at the same time...

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Empath1999@reddit

Until someone figures out the algorithm, what can go wrong?

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jtgyk@reddit

So glad I ditched Windows in 2016. It's been an increasingly troubling shitshow all this time, and MS seems intent on making it even worse.

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std10k@reddit

well, depends on the objectives. I personally agree that it won't end in any way that is not amazingly bad. but we may have the same expectations. If you consider that Windows now is jsut an adware platform to sell copilot, office or xbox passes, it'll probably be OK.

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Special_Rice9539@reddit

Writing secure code with c++ is basically impossible. Especially at the scale Microsoft operates.

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r0ndr4s@reddit

This might be true, well , Rust is more secure for sure. But AI isnt the solution.

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cas4076@reddit

Old and incorrect take. They are doing a research project to see how it will work - Nothing is being replaced at this time.

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TheChewyWaffles@reddit

This is dumb - it’s not the language it’s the architecture

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HappyDadOfFourJesus@reddit

I'm getting my popcorn!

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