VMware to Hyper-V, Cease and Desist

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Justsomedudeonthenet@reddit

It wasn't all that long ago that at least a few people here would tell me hyper-v was absolute dogshit not suitable for production and I was a fool for using it over hyper-v. Even after broadcom bought it, they stuck with that opinion. Wonder if they've changed their minds now. Have you found any major things lacking moving from vmware to hyperv?

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petergroft@reddit

Apart from one major difference between VMware and Hyper-V (VMware being a Type-1 hypervisor and Hyper-V being a Type-2 hypervisor), Hyper-V wins in overall per-VM cost, offering administrators the ability to fine-tune the performance-to-price ratio for the number of VMs hosted on a Hyper-V physical server.

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Justsomedudeonthenet@reddit

Common misconception, but hyperv **is** a type 1 hypervisor. When you enable hyperv on a server the management OS is running as a VM, its just thay hyperv gives that VM full access to everything and hides that fact from you.

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jamaul08@reddit (OP)

My only gripe with Hyper-V right now is choosing what to use for management of the clusters and hosts. You have the traditional Hyper-V Manager (mmc), Failover Cluster Manager, and System Center Virtual Machine Manager. There are pros and cons to all of them. I'm leaning towards SCVMM, but it will inevitably cost me 3500 for the license.

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Justsomedudeonthenet@reddit

I found the only part of SCVMM I found useful when I used it was templates for deploying VMs. We eventually decided to drop SCVMM entirely and wrote some simple powershell scripts for setting up new VMs instead. If you're managing things at the scale of an entire datacenter, you might get more use out of it. For me managing less than a dozen physical machines that don't change very often most of it's features were just wasted on us. It's not worth the effort it takes to set it up to deploy new physical hardware and provision them into the cluster all automatically if that's something you only do once every few years, for example.

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petergroft@reddit

That’s right. SCVMM is very bulky, with too many features that most organizations do not require. For two of our clients, we completely replaced SCVMM with a custom solution built from scratch. Because only the required features were included, it turned out to be a very lightweight solution. The best part was that it did not require an agent to be installed on Hyper-V hosts to manage the virtual machines.

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AttemptingToGeek@reddit

We went to Nutanix for this exact reason. Our lead engineer didn’t like the multiple interfaces. For a hypervisor that is included in our licensing I was willing to deal with it.

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jamaul08@reddit (OP)

I heard nutanix is big $$$, that true?

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m4tic@reddit

vpshere had the secret sauce of simplicity. e.g. **no one** does shared iscsi with thin disks and snapshots without special feature supporting hardware or complex setup outside of multipathing (multiple iscsi subnets, or iscsi port binding). For this, VMFS is amazing. Fuck Broadcom.

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sep76@reddit

VMFS is amazing, I wonder why there are no real alternatives, simplistic cluster filesystem designed for hosting qcow2 or vmdx, with heartbeat, without all the normal posix overhead. Are vmware's patents so broad that it is impossible for any copycats?

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narcissisadmin@reddit

> Are vmware's patents so broad that it is impossible for any copycats? Given that there's a patent for the "feature" to search your phone and the internet at the same time and a patent on the bounce back effect when you scroll to the bottom of a menu...yeah, I'm sure they have many.

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malikto44@reddit

VMFS is absolutely astonishing. Just the simplicity of setup. No witness stuff, no partitions, no overheads. Just have multiple hosts point at the specific block device and they figure things out. Maybe some of the patents on it are expiring. In an ideal world, it would be something to mainline into the Linux kernel.

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sep76@reddit

Vmware have expertly hidden the complexity of locking, leases and coordination from the operator. That is easier to do in a black box product like vmware vs eg open source software like proxmox. It is also easier when there is basically one true way to do san storage. With high flexibillity, comes increased complexity for the operator.

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BlackV@reddit

nope, save the $$$ skip vmm powershell/hvm/fcm will do it all without the cost if you are going to do it ALL in vmm then yes (i.e. all networking, storage,compute) its OK, but if you are configuring networking/storage/etc before hand you are gaining nothing with vmm

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jlipschitz@reddit

Windows Admin Center is an option as well. That deletes the VHDX files when deleting a VM from Hyper-V.

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Xzenor@reddit

>That deletes the VHDX files when deleting a VM from Hyper-V. I'm guessing that's something people usually find out when it's too late

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Arkios@reddit

I actually prefer it, really annoying ending up with a bunch of orphaned VHDX files wasting storage space.

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SillyRelationship424@reddit

Microsoft want vmware customers but they can't even build a product for managing it at scale. What a joke.

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xqwizard@reddit

Windows Admin Center lol

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AdminSDHolder@reddit

I haven't used it yet, but there is a new vMode version of WAC specifically designed for managing HyperV https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/blog/windowsservernewsandbestpractices/introducing-windows-admin-center-virtualization-mode-vmode/4471024

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xqwizard@reddit

Yeah I saw this recently. I found I could only manage Server 2025.

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kaiserpathos@reddit

So far I can get it to manage 2022 & 2025 server hosts. Integrating it w/ remote mgmt & ARC seems to support the idea of a singular mgmt environment for hosts & VMs in the future -- but it really needs some work to get there. Microsoft were pushing the idea that this is where they're going at this year's Ignite.

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MasterChiefmas@reddit

Didn't one of the Linux based VM managers add support for Hyper-V recently as well? Seems like Iremember that...of course, not being MS, don't know how complete that support would be, especially in an Enterprise deployment.

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ajf8729@reddit

It’s not HV that’s dog shit, it’s SCVMM used to manage it at scale. I’ve only heard terrible things about it.

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Steve----O@reddit

I skipped SCVMM. I just use cluster server and it’s great. I never chose VMware due to the cost. Started with Xenserver, and when that was bought and ruined, moved to hyper-V ( which was always Xenserver under the hood )

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BlackV@reddit

> Steve----O IT Manager > moved to hyper-V ( which was always Xenserver under the hood ) wut? do you have some more detail on that ?

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Steve----O@reddit

Microsoft paid Citrix to develop Hyper-V. Same engineers as Xen. Similar to how they got RDP from Citrix. VHDX file format was the same between XenServer and Hyper-V. One of our early Hyper-V guest agent installers literal said Xenserver Guest in details.

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BlackV@reddit

> One of our early Hyper-V guest agent installers literal said Xenserver Guest in details. I had never seen that one, is that virtual pc days ? I deffo dont remember it in 2008

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Steve----O@reddit

Virtual PC was an in-OS app. Completely different product.

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BlackV@reddit

Yes I'm aware it was separate, that's why I was asking cause I'd never seen it mention xen in any of the integration installers

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Steve----O@reddit

Xenserver ended about a year after Hyper-V came out.

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BlackV@reddit

Ah right, I only picked it up in like windows 2008

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jmhalder@reddit

I don't think Hyper-V is Xenserver under the hood in any technical way at all. They're 100% unrelated.

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vermyx@reddit

It isn't. It originated from virtual pc which was desktop virtualization competitor to vmware back in the day.

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lart2150@reddit

RIP Connectix, they had some really neat products.

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vermyx@reddit

My favorite was virtual game station.

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jmhalder@reddit

I ran the original boxed copy of Virtual PC for MacOS when I was a teen. It was genuinely magical being able to run Windows 95 (poorly) on our PPC Mac. I know Microsoft bought it from Connectix, but didn't realize that Microsoft kinda kept that train going for so many years. I'm sure some of it's code/concepts made it into Hyper-V. Interesting.

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Horsemeatburger@reddit

>hyper-V ( which was always Xenserver under the hood ) Yeah, nope, Hyper-V was never XenServer under the hood.

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caffeine-junkie@reddit

Unless things have changed since I last used SCVMM about 4 years ago...it's not great. I very much preferred using powershell over it, or even cluster manager in a pinch. While it had some stuff that could be potentially useful for very large installs, we were not at that scale. Only had about 200-250 odd vms, and it's not like we were changing them or creating new ones on a daily basis. Even then I could push out changes or do stuff like deployments/automation faster with powershell than I could with SCVMM.

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kaiserpathos@reddit

At Ignite this year MS demo'ed Windows Admin Center replacing SCVMM for shops w/ less than 300-ish VMs to manage. Coming in spring.

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caffeine-junkie@reddit

WAC is good for shops that need a GUI. Last time I used it, it just seemed lackluster and found myself reverting back to PS and keeping it for those on the team that refused to learn PS. But really by now, if you're doing Windows admin, you should be at least partially comfortable with powershell.

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llDemonll@reddit

WAC is not ready for GA. It’s slow and cumbersome and features are constantly broken.

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BlackV@reddit

being slower than VMM is an admirable goal, they achieved nicely....

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not-at-all-unique@reddit

I like SCVMM… Unless… you want to connect to storage options it doesn’t really support well. - then you’re going to cluster storage. Unless you want isolated PVLANs, then you’ll be needing power shell. For _most_ other things it’s fine though… The real downer for me is the complete lack of suite integration. For example, if I add a new host or VM, I want it to ask me if I need updates managed by configuration manager, and register the node there, I want it to ask me if I need to monitor and figure out basic packs to be used in operations manager… I don’t want to buy a “suite” and find that there is functionality that’s just missing, or no integration between products.

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IsThatAll@reddit

> The real downer for me is the complete lack of suite integration. For example, if I add a new host or VM, I want it to ask me if I need updates managed by configuration manager, and register the node there, I want it to ask me if I need to monitor and figure out basic packs to be used in operations manager… That's kind of where MS target SCO (System Center Orchestrator) at.

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st0pe@reddit

Can’t speak for SCCM but there absolutely is an integration between SCVMM and SCOM

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llDemonll@reddit

We’ve got ~250 VMs and failover cluster manager works well enough. It’s true the management portion of Hyper-V isn’t as good, but functionally it’s just fine.

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Affectionate_Ant540@reddit

Can u pls share what that looks like in a nutshell? Just fcm with csvfs for data store? How do u create a cluster where VMs are load balanced across hosts?

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daniejam@reddit

Use storage spaces direct if you want shared compute / storage.

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Affectionate_Ant540@reddit

I got fc block storage but I don’t want to pay for scvmm license cuz we might as well pay VMware n eat the diff

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No_Resolution_9252@reddit

Primarily by people who never read the documentation. scvmm is a bit clunky, but its not terrible

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HammamDaib@reddit

For some, usb redirection to their VMs is required, especially with license dongles. The only solution is to use third party tools that redirects usb through tcp/ip

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MortadellaKing@reddit

That's the main reason we chose xcp-ng. We need relatively easy ways to pass through USB for license dongles (industrial/manufactruing software) and (cringe) one E-Fax server with some USB modems.

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sep76@reddit

Just my opinion/experience. But Hyper-v have improved a lot. It is still dogshit compared to vmware and proxmox. And it require quite a bit more handholding, But it is included in the datacenter lisence so very attractive dogshit ;)

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Sobeman@reddit

Most people who had that opinion had not used hyper-v in the last few years.

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Jhamin1@reddit

I ran hyperV in prod for years at an old gig. Most of the people that went on about how foolish I was cited things that were fixed in the *2012* release. So yeah

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dangil@reddit

What would people say if I told them my entire environment is running xenserver 7.1?

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flecom@reddit

I used hyperv (in a hyperconverged cluster) for a good decade before going to proxmox, with starwind scsi san... Was a rock solid setup, no complaints

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Horsemeatburger@reddit

>It wasn't all that long ago that at least a few people here would tell me hyper-v was absolute dogshit not suitable for production Not sure about that, however Hyper-V only ever really made sense for Windows shops, however if Windows is seen as good enough then there's nothing wrong with Hyper-V as hypervisor. It still doesn't mean that, technically, vSphere is still miles ahead. The only thing that has changed that vSphere used to be very expensive but now pricing and licensing have become truly extortionate. Which, naturally, puts many of the lesser options in a new light.

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Kritchsgau@reddit

Maybe prior to 2012. Ive seen hyperv clusters with scvmm in use by many enterprises around the world. It’s been a solid choice still. Mind you I preferred vmware as i felt it had a lower operational overhead etc.

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sauced@reddit

I’m in the middle of this migration right now. Couldn’t afford scvmm licensing so have 3 different consoles that don’t do everything is my biggest gripe. Otherwise the hypervisor works fine.

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Inner-Association448@reddit

'over hyper-v' did you mean 'over vmware'

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Justsomedudeonthenet@reddit

I sure did. Fixed that, thanks!

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Syc-Joe@reddit

We have moved 480 cores to Hyper-V with Systems Center VMM 2025. vmware is dead to me. I am disappointed that we invested so much into NVMe/FC before Broadcom did the buyout.

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petergroft@reddit

We find SCVMM an overkill with lot of bells and whistle most people don’t need and developed our own custom agentless solution leveraging Active Directory and some scripting in backend.

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NorthernVenomFang@reddit

Moved the bulk to Proxmox (300 VMs) and a Hyper-V cluster for VM appliances that did not support Proxmox this fall. We were 2 days away from the cease & desist letter, plus they mentioned audit if our vCenter had any running VMs left on it (had to run a script for proof). I spent over 15 years working on ESXi/vCenter environments; it was definitely time to move to something else. The 200-250%+ yearly increases I saw over the last 2 years was enough.

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petergroft@reddit

I dealt with a customer recently with the same requirement of VMs on Hyper-V as well as Proxmox. To manage all VMs, in Hyper-V VMM is inbuilt and Proxmox has a portal, but the client wanted a single pane solution to manage VMs on both Hyper-V and Proxmox physical servers. Our dev team pulled it off well with a customer build solution that met the requirements.

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defective1up@reddit

We moved to ProxMox. Thankfully we're small potatoes and they didn't bug our business. Broadcom has absolutely ruined VMWare, and fast, too. I hope everyone having to deal with migrating is getting good sleep and less stress once off their failed products.

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reinhart_menken@reddit

How have they ruined VMware? Is it purely the contractual stuff or have they made it technically worse? Haven't dealt with them for a while since most organizations I've been at recently are in the cloud.

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petergroft@reddit

Steep price increase, corporate arm-twisting, basically. Moved our clients to Proxmox seamlessly. VM performance is on par and even better in some cases. Cost is down significantly, especially with free native backup.

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NorthernVenomFang@reddit

200% increase last year, 250% increase this year, VMWare rep stated on the phone that unless locked in there would be an increase next year as well (could not state percentage), publicly stating that they only want the top 20% of their largest customers, company wide layoffs, ect... They have made it next to impossible for SMBs to deal with them. Larger organizations can either afford the Broadcom tax, or can afford manpower to migrate to other systems. IMHO I don't think VMWare will be around for much longer as we currently know it maybe 10 years.

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reinhart_menken@reddit

Oh wow. I'm just aware of the crazy price increases but not the rest. Thanks for catching me up!

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ZealousidealClock494@reddit

500% here. Never once called their support, never asked anything of them other than a valid license key. I cost them nothing and they wanted a 5x increase. Honestly the shareholders should be asking why they don't take "easy money". They are already required to develop updates for the big paying customers. Small customers can be pawned off on 3rd party support.

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xXNorthXx@reddit

250% would have been nice. Over 1,200% increase here, basic ent+ before.

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sep76@reddit

Wild, did they give any indication for the reason for that wild jump?

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xXNorthXx@reddit

Combination of skus going away and discounts going away.

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NotThePersona@reddit

Yeah we have just copped the you must but at least the same number of cores as last year issue. So they took ages to come back with that. Then we had to tell our reseller we want less, so they went back to VMware who said we need to have a meeting with a one of vnwares "specialists" to renegotiate. So we said fine set it up. Then crickets, with our license running out over the Christmas shutdown we asked for trial licenses, we daily kept asking about the meeting, but still nothing. Thankfully we could get trial licenses through the portal ourselves do we don't risk anything over the break, but damn they are making it hard. Small chance I get back and have to get quickly spin up hyper v or proxmox to have a way out if needed.

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ReptilianLaserbeam@reddit

We only have three hosts and the quote for the license renewal was about 400% higher than expected. We also moved to proxmox.

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NerdWhoLikesTrees@reddit

It’s so financially unattainable for so many customers that it’s effectively ruined. Technically, not much has changed. Documentation? They started messing that up. Managing licenses? Pretty dang awful website. Customer support? Nonexistent.

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NorthernVenomFang@reddit

Not to mention trying to download the ISOs... Nightmare.

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NerdWhoLikesTrees@reddit

YES l Thank you. I knew I was forgetting something. That’s such a pain. Broadcom at one point assigned us licenses from a company with a similar name. We had to correct that too. What an absolute joke

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sylarrrrr@reddit

how do you go with performance since the move. I found out of the box proxmox the vms felt so slow vs VMware and hyper v.

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petergroft@reddit

For Windows VMs, review the mismatch between what Device Manager reports and what the command line reports for the offloading feature. Also ensure that VMware Tools are uninstalled and check for hidden devices in Device Manager. If these are covered, try performing a Windows socket reset. This solved a similar problem for us.

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s3ndnudes123@reddit

Make sure to install the VirtIO drivers for your disks. Vm's will be pretty damn slow until you do that.

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sep76@reddit

Our proxmox with shared lvm over multipath fc (same storage we used on vmware) is 5-10% more performant the the same vmware. Not very suprising since the io path is shorter. But proxmox's configurable default vm cpu setting is MAX compatibillity, sacrificing performance. You can migrate a vm between amd and intel cpu hypervisors. Cool. Set the default cpu to the lowest common denominator in your cluster, so you can vmotion between with high performance. Do not use host cpu especially on windows. Windows thinks it runs on hardware , and enables all cpu hardware bug workarounds that kill performance .

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RedShift9@reddit

You are probably running into this issue: https://www.reddit.com/r/Proxmox/comments/1j2zrol/the_reasons_for_poor_performance_of_windows_when/

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AliveInTheFuture@reddit

You will need to figure out what’s causing the performance issues.

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thecomputerguy7@reddit

It’s been great for me. You just have to make sure you install the virtio drivers in windows VM’s. Linux based ones should automatically install it.

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19610taw3@reddit

Oh they do bug small potatoes. We're a smaller business, migrated away from VMWare earlier this year and was completed ahead of schedule. We powered down the hosts about 6 months before they expired. Got the cease-and-desist letter last month after we told our Broadcom rep that we had switched hypervisors.

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Moses_Horwitz@reddit

I also moved to Proxmox, and pay their licensing fees. Their fees are reasonable, IMO.

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LastTechStanding@reddit

I hope Broadcom goes under for the shit they’ve pulled.

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nope_nic_tesla@reddit

The opposite is happening, they're raking in huge profits

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petergroft@reddit

That’s because many organizations are still stuck with VMware and paying a heavy price. Wait until everyone realizes the benefits that other platforms like Hyper-V, Proxmox, and KVM provide, not just from a cost perspective but also in performance.

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grungedrix@reddit

While screwing over the little man. Just like the founding fathers intended!

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moldyjellybean@reddit

Blocked VMware, Broadcloud domain and kept them on Version 7 with the management and network locked down. https://np.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/1pmcgu6/how_many_of_you_moved_away_from_vmware/nu00bkq/

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Particular-Way8801@reddit

Well, I do have a wife, hence I have an Alexa, no, the concept of separating networks and spending cash on your home firewall is not understood nor accepted. I am part of that amount of guys that like to have peace at home. Yes I used to be different, I do not have the energy to fight at home because the wife wants Alexa. It was already problematic to hide the wifi or change the default password of the ISP router

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TargetFree3831@reddit

Many very large MSPs are still on 7.

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moldyjellybean@reddit

Good, I hate Broadcom so much. Literally just private equity schemes/plays on everything they touch. Ruined everything they bought

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Ok-Bill3318@reddit

VMware will. Broadcom are just milking the fees until it dies.

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djaybe@reddit

They won't anytime soon. Their AI contracts dwarf any of this VMware stuff.

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LastTechStanding@reddit

If they keep making stupid decision it will happen organically

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TargetFree3831@reddit

not a chance they own processes and infraatructure. they will still be around when nvidia is on fire. broadcom = the cockroaches of tech

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LastTechStanding@reddit

lol all it takes is shit leadership, and shit decisions to kill a company.

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TargetFree3831@reddit

not broadcom, they are intrenched in too much already. all it will do is make them leaner and meaner. they are already too bloated (obviously) and vmware is an example. what you think is making them die is making them stronger. they are shedding fat hand over fist.

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KingGinger@reddit

Just like GE right

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flexcabana21@reddit

GE got involved in things outside of its core business, things like TV, Radio, and banking; they themselves became the bank "GE Capital". Never become the bank. Broadcom stays in the semiconductor and technology infrastructure business.

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KingGinger@reddit

One could say technology business is pretty wide but fair take, I can agree with that. Part of the reason GE went so wide was to "diversify" for independent revenue streams, in case one failed, but the they had no scale to be competitive in those spaces; trying to do too much without good margins and just assuming it'd work out eventually if they stayed in the game. Wow I think I think I just blacked out back to my econ degree, ok back to the fiber channel SAN design...

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Obi-Juan-K-Nobi@reddit

And I was in IT at GE when we moved from Jack to Jeff. Watching it all unwind has been subtly satisfying since they offloaded me in the sale of GE IT Solutions to Compucom. Now what small pension I have there is with GE Aerospace which didn’t exist back then.

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Jazzlike_Pride3099@reddit

Didn't they get into banking in order to sell appliances on installments? Without having someone else skim the cream from that....I seem to recall reading that somewhere

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TargetFree3831@reddit

You got it. Broadcom hit the lottery with AI. Their diversification paid off = VMware? Flash in the pan. Dedicated HARDWARE runs this planet. NOT software. Not ever. Software is malleable and coded by damn fools getting dumber by the day who trust, ironically, AI to do their thinking for them. Push the shit code...another Cloudflare outage. Get used to it. Never forget this. Hardware holds all the power. It is more important now than at any point in human history. The dual BIOS saved personal computers and made firmware update worries a thing of the past. This will be what saves us from AI shitcoders.

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ohfml@reddit

Someone’s a shareholder here.

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TargetFree3831@reddit

nope, I loathe them. They canned my bro and forced us off esxi in mere months. fk broadcom. ...but I understand their place. I can respect a position despite vehemently disagreeing with its effect on a certain portion of the market. One *I* do not like, despite the position being what is probably best for the business as a whole, including its remaining employees. These are not idiots making multi-billion-dollar decisions, succesafully. We, as a whole, just dont look through their lenses as plebeians amd can't make sense. I promise you their balance sheet supports their positions. They are a public company, this is pure business, highly regulated and highly vetted.

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WendoNZ@reddit

They are also in a shitload of markets that a lot of vmware consumers have no idea. That cellphone in your pocket, likely has at least one Broadcom chip, those switches in your racks, almost certainly have Broadcom chips in them, to say nothing of the network cards in your servers. You still running any fibre channel... Broadcom, and thats just the stuff you can relate to directly. They aren't going anywhere, they could sell VMWare for $1 tomorrow and still be fine

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Justin_Passing_7465@reddit

Your cellphone probably has a Qualcomm chip, not a Broadcom chip?

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HappyVlane@reddit

There is more than one chip in almost any electronic device. Broadcom makes Wi-Fi and Bluetooth chips that are used in a lot of devices for example.

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lost_signal@reddit

Also wireless filters (FBAR), NFC chips….

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Angelworks42@reddit

All of our former VMware hosts now running hyper-v have broadcom nics in them (Dell fwiw).

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lost_signal@reddit

You got a PERC controller in that Dell?

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lost_signal@reddit

1 chip? More like a cell radio, a WiFi/Bluetooth chip, a NFC Chip, a FBAR filter. More than 99% of internet traffic touches a Broadcom chip. You want LIDAR to work? Broadcom. That controller on the hard drive? Yah. Broadcom. The 800Gbps optic/DAC? That cable modem? That raspberryPi in the corner? Broadcom. Fibre Channel, or even that simple raid controller or SAS expander. Seriously, I find a new Broadcom product every week it feels like.

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TargetFree3831@reddit

Exactly. They have fingers in all infrastructure. They are pretty much diversification, defined, so they can pick and choose what they *can show on spreadshets* isnt worth it. Remember folks...we are nothing but a rows on a spreadsheet. You know this, right?? Anyway, SMB VMware = not worth the tech support calls alone.

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scriptmonkey420@reddit

Same boat as you, fuck Broadcom. They bought out CA Technologies when I was working there and turned the job from fun and exciting to dull, mechanical, sloppy, and hate.

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twatcrusher9000@reddit

look I've been waiting for oracle to die for 20 years

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heapsp@reddit

Oracle is actually not that bad if you need reliable monolithic databases on their exadata platform They just dont do anything else well. Which is why they are now positioning themselves as massive compute and seemingly giving up on being everyone's main cloud, by partnering with Microsoft and giving high bandwidth pipes directly to their infrastructure.

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Kodiak01@reddit

The classic lyrics begin to run through my head again: - Bye bye, SunOS 4.1.3, ATT System V has replaced BSD. You can cling to the standards of the industry, But only if you pay the right fee... Only if you pay the right fee.

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SilentLennie@reddit

Supposedly leveraged themselves highest they ever have with this AI data center stuff.

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mirrax@reddit

The problem is that many "good" business practices are very anti-consumer.

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Jazzlike_Pride3099@reddit

And for the absolut scum of the scum https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patients-a-sustainable-business-model.html

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djaybe@reddit

Comcast cuts AT&T to enter the chat.

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TargetFree3831@reddit

its not a problem if that's your business model (broadcom has always been business-focused, long-term, pricey licenses) look at RAM prices right now. AI demand is crushing consumers worldwide and it will continue for *years*. consumers are secondary. consumers want their chatgpt and gorgeous tech, and will pay anything to consume it amd make themselves feel good. businesses have figured that out. they arent in it for vanity. they arent fleeting. they demand consistency, not volatility. thank Apple for the wasteful consumerist vanity model. it was always a house of cards, bound to reduce itself to irrelevance...which it has. cell carriers are giving iphones away. they are no longer a premium status symbol and have become commodities, just as they were always destined to be. broadcom will still be standing when all the bravado and chest-pumping have ceased. unlike Apple lying to their base, broadcom actually *does* run the world.

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GroteGlon@reddit

In theory yes, in reality no.

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Inode1@reddit

Can we get the 3dfx guys on the board at Broadcom somehow?

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Mrhiddenlotus@reddit

I don't think that is historically true among "too big to fail" size companies.

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RandomMyth22@reddit

VMware did this crap too all on its own. Don’t know if you remember their license model change from RAM to CPU cores.

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moldyjellybean@reddit

They say that about everybody but Oracle is possibly going to burn to a crisp betting on AI. ORCL might be the first AI domino to fall.

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TargetFree3831@reddit

Oracle doesnt make highly power-efficient AI hardware Google, Meta and OpenAI rely on. Broadcom does.

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tdreampo@reddit

their stock is at an all time high and that’s all that matters. they aren’t going away any time soon.

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ScreamingVoid14@reddit

From the limited POV of "must create shareholder value NOW!" it isn't stupid. It's frustrating, but not stupid. The whales, enterprises that are too large to pivot easily, are the ones most likely to just absorb a 3x increase in costs; they are also the ones most likely to have internal ESXi experts and not need support. Between slashing support and bleeding the whales, they make tons of money for years until the whales notice and slowly pivot. By then, the execs have moved on and Broadcom picks another software company and repeats.

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lost_signal@reddit

Broadcom is many things but I wouldn’t say “shareholder value NOW”. VMware was far more obsessed with quarter to quarter. They have had the same CEO for 19 years. The focus is very much on longer partnerships, and longer term R&D that the various business franchises drive cash flow to cover and shield the cyclical businesses. Hypothetical example data center Switch revenue makes up for shortfalls between DOCSIS 3.1 and 4.0 roll outs, or XPU sales fund that R&D to ships VCF 9. Like I get Reddit loves writing fan fiction about large companies, but Broadcom is very different.

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Sudden_Office8710@reddit

Every server router, switch on the planet has Broadcom inside they won’t die ever.

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vNerdNeck@reddit

Nah. This is what he does. Buys companies, squeeze every bit of value out of it and then puts it out to pasture in maintenance mode. It's made broadcom billions upon billions over the years, and unfortunately it works. With VMware they were dominant with basically not on-par competition... It was just ripe for the picking.

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PMURITSPEND@reddit

Ironically, they are more likely to go under for those AI contracts which will 1000% never come close to materializing then their crappy VMware practices. Once the AI house of cards starts to fall, there are going to be a lot of companies completely wiped out.

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djaybe@reddit

Ok but it's a house of cards like the Internet was a house of cards. Don't hold your breath.

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Do_TheEvolution@reddit

Not yet. Not even close. They make custom stuff, market for that is not as wild as the general use AI stuff.

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t53deletion@reddit

And rhe cash cow of CA Techm9l9gies that they added a few years ago... Billions a year in mainframe renewals.

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Inode1@reddit

Well hopefully companies start to realize ai ain't all they claim it is and we move past this shit stain.

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reddithooknitup@reddit

Broadcom has made money off the purchase. Broadcom would have to take a series of losses to really be in danger.

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Junior-Piano5427@reddit

They’ll soon pull the plug and sell the company. Just needs another year or two of milking till they get their investment back.

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the_swanny@reddit

Already murmurings of them selling off vmware again now they've enshittified it.

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imtoowhiteandnerdy@reddit

Good sir, please think of our ``AVGO`` stock ;-) /s

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Pathfinder-electron@reddit

I just invested in them as their stocks are flying.

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VeryRareHuman@reddit

It's matter of time. They already lost good will. They became another Oracle.

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imnotyour_daddy@reddit

You aren't wrong. Oracle can suck it, but it's a hell of a lot more practical to migrate VMs to a new hypervisor than migrate code to a new database platform. Broadcom literally WANTS to be another Oracle, but it isn't going to work. By the time they realize they f*cked up, it'll be too late. Once they do realize it, their best option might be sell off the business to Oracle.

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Angelworks42@reddit

Yeah it's funny I've never met anyone who openly likely Oracle software. I know for is it's regarded as a necessary evil for our erp... But I know given the option they'd drop it like a hot potato if they could.

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Shotokant@reddit

Amen. Parasites.

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Fubar321_@reddit

Not going to happen at all.

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Evil-Santa@reddit

There are so many very big enterprises around the world who will be stuck on vmWare for decades to come, because of cost / ROI is not seen within current CEO term.

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petergroft@reddit

Finally, out of the Broadcom mess. We switched one of our customers to Hyper-V because it packs more VMs onto a single host with a few tweaks. Another customer we moved to Proxmox clusters to match the overall cost of the infrastructure. The best part of Proxmox is free backup using the native tool, unlike licensed applications for Hyper-V.

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Fit_Yak7651@reddit

ProxMox for sure. I migrated VMware VM’s to ProxMox it’s easy too (via GUI)

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Michichael@reddit

> Gladly signed the form stating I've removed the product and sent it back. "As previously communicated repeatedly to your predatory team, we've not only ceased utilizing your products but added your company to our banned vendor list. This communique simply reinforces that we've made the correct decision. Any further communication from your team to any digital, physical, or other means will constitute acceptance of the terms and conditions attached to this e-mail, including the administrative fee of $15,000 per addressee to cover the reasonable business costs and legal fees to formally review and respond to aforementioned prohibited communications. We appreciate all of the years of service of VMWare and are disappointed that Broadcom's business practices have lead to this decision." And then we fuckin auto-invoice them for every mail they send.

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exrace@reddit

I like this. Is it legally binding or has it been tested yet? 🤣

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Michichael@reddit

About as binding as their C&D. They fuck off after the first invoice.

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ersentenza@reddit

I have just been informed that they are now in our banned vendor list for real lol

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anialeph@reddit

Just send the link. [https://youtu.be/8UVNT4wvIGY](https://youtu.be/8UVNT4wvIGY)

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k8sGrillMaster@reddit

#outoftheloop why is everyone moving to hyper-v? We don't have anything to do with virtual machines in that we, we rent PaaS services but I assume it has something to do with the price surge ?

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Bright-Pickle-5793@reddit

Any tip or tricks you care to share about your migration to Hyper-V?

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daven1985@reddit

I did it a year ago. Built a new server and then just used veeam to backup and restore.

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Drischer@reddit

Oh. That would be great with veeam. Veeam Backup & Restore is running

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jamaul08@reddit (OP)

Depends on your experience with Hyper-V. Networking changes are needed if you were doing LACP. Get familiar with switch embedded teaming. Also, if you're using a SAN and plan to have the Hyper-V hosts clustered you should be reading up on cluster shared volumes. It's important to know the limitations before committing. The actual migration is simple if you have a good backup software like Veeam to backup and restore the servers to a new host.

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Drischer@reddit

Iam into Hyper-V and Networking. Thats not the problem. How to transfer. But the answer is one post below

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ruh8n2@reddit

Not exactly the same thing but my company got a C&D and we were still a valid paying customer. The account rep created all new contracts instead of renew the existing ones and the basis for the C&D was because they thought we were still using the previous licenses, the gotcha, the previous licenses were still valid during the period we got the C&D.

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Neilas092@reddit

There's always Nutanix!

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exrace@reddit

They can be as bad with prices as Broadcom is once the honeymoon is over.

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Neilas092@reddit

I mean yeah, its not cheap and not for every business, but we moved from VMWare to them and we're never going back.

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nodogfoodforvictor@reddit

Out of curiosity, how did you land on Hyper-V as your alternative? Currently, Nutanix is my front-runner.

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jwrig@reddit

Compare prices. If you've got the right licensing you can run hyper-v for free. Nutanix tries to be 10% cheaper than VMware.

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exrace@reddit

But they charge more once they have you with renewals. Read the fine print.

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nodogfoodforvictor@reddit

Figured, what it always comes down to. For my company's use case the cost of Nutanix is worth it for the features; one being multi-tenancy. Still open to alternatives, it is an interesting time for sure.

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FleshSphereOfGoat@reddit

Sounds like you will have to go through this shit again in about two years when Microsoft decides to switch Hyper-V to a subscription model like they did with everything else. They are just waiting for everyone to complete the migrations.

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sep76@reddit

Absolutly i belive microsoft will not leave that money on the table. They can probably charge quite a bit for hyper-v before people do a second migration. Is there a betting pool for how long until? 2.5 years i think.

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exrace@reddit

2027

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narcissisadmin@reddit

Why sign it? Just ignore it. No reason to make it easy for them.

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exrace@reddit

Not good advise. Red flags you if you ignore.

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VNJCinPA@reddit

Who cares? It's their expense to investigate. Perpetual licenses are perpetual licenses, and if you migrated off, they can pound sand and show evidence for a cease and desist. That's what they need to do. Not trigger when a timer expires.

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exrace@reddit

I guess you have never had to deal with this type of inquiry. It's easier to respond than to deal with a court order.

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Drischer@reddit

Oh dear, I'll have that to do in the first quarter too. Is there a best practice for how I should handle it? Did you use any software, or what's the best approach? What do I need to keep in mind to ensure everything runs smoothly? Thanks in advance!

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Gayboys-are-Sexy@reddit

100 VPS? You're lucky, we changed the hypervisor from Xen to SolusVM KVM on 200 physical servers at the beginning of the year, now we're moving from there to Proxmox KVM, with nearly 800 VPS... sometimes I think I'm tearing my hair out. But then, a man has already walked on the moon, so this will work too

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signalpath_mapper@reddit

That timing is wild, but also kind of emblematic of how brittle vendor relationships get once trust erodes. The technical migration is one thing, but the real tax is the background anxiety of licensing, audits, and legal noise while you are just trying to keep systems running. Once you have proven to yourself that you can exit, the mental load drops a lot, even if the replacement stack is not perfect. I have seen a few teams come out of moves like this more conservative about dependencies overall, not just hypervisors. Fewer "strategic partnerships," more optionality. That lesson usually sticks longer than the specific platform choice.

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CatsAreMajorAssholes@reddit

Fuck Broadcom

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manzobar@reddit

All my homies hate Broadcom

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svippe@reddit

Glad you got out before the imminent disaster! My vote is Proxmox, after having used Hyper-V for a long time. The simplicity for various use cases are 100 times better than with Hyper-V.

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exrace@reddit

Less overhead.

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Secret_Account07@reddit

Is there any risk in not signing it? I’d let them sweat it since this is all a problem of their own making. But I don’t work in legal or compliance so what do I know

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exrace@reddit

Yes. They red-flag you and expect further intrusion.

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dinominant@reddit

How long before Microsoft begins the slow price increases and lock-in for Hyper-V?

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squeekymouse89@reddit

Given they want you on azure, i would say killing the entire product is on the cards...

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RedBra1n@reddit

We jumped ship to ScaleComputing over a decade ago.

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seanieb64@reddit

When I talked to Broadcom in the sales meeting they try to get you on after sending these, it's an automatic letter their system sends out on every contact expiration now unless you convert to subscription. I made a big hullabaloo and made them talk to legal then told them we eliminated their software fully from our env

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Nydus87@reddit

Our place JUST started a hyper V pilot program. I suspect we’re going to give Broadcom some blood money in the very near future.

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PurpleCrayonDreams@reddit

broadcom can kiss my ass forever. we are just finalizing our migration. vmware will be removed this week. kiss my ass broadcom. forever and ever.

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skeetgw2@reddit

We’re likely going to move to hyper-v as well. Any specific tools anyone can recommend to ease this process? TIA!

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D_-_1@reddit

There’s also Nutanix AHV. Not sure what their pricing is, but I like it just as much if not more than VMWare from the test box my company is letting us play around with.

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rumski@reddit

We’re setting up to migrate some AHV environments to HyperV clusters. One particular client with 2 AHV clusters has license renewals in February and they’re looking at $160k for each site.

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sexbox360@reddit

How was your migration process? Can you just convert VMs over? Easy or hard?

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jamaul08@reddit (OP)

Mostly straightforward using Veeam to backup and restore them to Hyper-V. The file servers were challenging when figuring out the cluster shared volumes.

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Immediate_Tower4500@reddit

What did you do in the end to migrate the cluster shared volumes? This is DFS right?

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jamaul08@reddit (OP)

Well.... after all that I ended up removing the CSVs lol. Veeam is not able to backup cluster shared volumes, so that wouldn't work for us going forward. Ended up just connecting the file servers to the volumes on Nimble via iSCSI.

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BlackV@reddit

> Veeam is not able to backup cluster shared volumes, Er.. what do you mean by this? it should be able to, but normally you wouldn't backup the CSV you'd backup the VMs sitting on the CSV (at the host level)

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jamaul08@reddit (OP)

What happens is you end up with backups of the file server vms, but not the shares which are attached to the VM as CSVs.

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BlackV@reddit

Ah right yes cluster on cluster type deal, yes that requires special care

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hso1217@reddit

Broadcom sent you a cease and desist letter? Did you try to renew your licenses?

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dwarftosser77@reddit

You signed the letter and sent it back? I threw mine in the trash.

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jamaul08@reddit (OP)

I work for a compliance company. I can't be that cool, lmao

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ExceptionEX@reddit

Yeah I work with lawyers, our position to never obligate ourselves in writing to anything that isn't necessary. They also said that Broadcom could pound sand as they can't prove anything and this is just a hollow thread.

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djgizmo@reddit

should have sent it to legal to send a C&D back.

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BatemansChainsaw@reddit

We ignored it but now I'm tempted to shred and mail it back.

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jscooper22@reddit

I got one of those after letting my contract lapse after moving all (only 8 mind you) of my VMs back to Hyper-V. Thing is, the letter said "please respond in three days." On the second day I got a follow up email saying "Since we haven't heard back from you, we will be passing your account along to the compliance and audit team. " Uh huh. I sent it back the third day. They wrecked a stellar product. I hope they metaphorically choke on their stock options.

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Immortal_Tuttle@reddit

I wonder what would happen if you just ignored them.

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narcissisadmin@reddit

Probably the same thing after every email I ignored from an @microsoft.com address: nothing.

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BatemansChainsaw@reddit

This is exactly what happens. for a while back in mid-late 2019 we received a bunch of these from whatever-v@microsoft.com and the -v was the tipoff... vendor. no thanks.

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RCTID1975@reddit

After the second email, I would've just ignored them. If they're going to be that aggressive, let them waste time and money. You're already in compliance, so no need to do them any favors

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InternationalGlove@reddit

Probably a daft question but why go hyper-v and not Azure local?

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jamaul08@reddit (OP)

To keep the migration simple. I already had experience with Hyper-V. We're setting up two Azure local servers after the holidays and I'm planning to use them to deliver Azure virtual desktops. There's no rush on this, so I'll have time to really learn Azure local.

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gnqreddit@reddit

They removed our perpetual license. Broadcom can FO.

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SquizzOC@reddit

What would have been awesome is to do a TON of calls with their sales team, show me everything, get some massive quotes together, then tell them "Oh ya, we are just waiting on approval" and a day before expiration "oh we decided to rip and replace Broadcom, just too expensive in these uncertain times, you understand" As I VAR, I would have sat on every call knowing this and had a blast :)

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pera_xxx@reddit

yess.. they did the same here, sending a letter one day after he old support contract expired. Getting rid of them was a satisfaction on par with getting rid of Oracle JRE a few years back.

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xSchizogenie@reddit

Are you experiencing performance-wise any differences?

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lescompa@reddit

How is the licensing cost Hyper-V vs what you were quoted for VMWare?

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gpmr@reddit

We're just starting with Hyper-V but have been having problems with our Win2019 and 2022 VMs having BIOS and not EFI firmware, and as such are migrating as Generation 1 VMs with IDE controllers in Hyper-V. That means we can't expand disks online. Did you run across this at all?

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nmdange@reddit

This might do it for you https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/mbr-to-gpt

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datec@reddit

That sounds like you selected gen1 VMs when you created them.

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gpmr@reddit

They are being backed up from VMware and restored to Hyper-V using Commvault. Because of the VM firmware it restores them as gen1. When I restore a Win2025 VM, which have EFI firmware, it restores as gen2. It's not a selectable option.

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datec@reddit

So it's pretty easy to take a Gen1 VM and make it a Gen2 VM... IIRC, you just have to create a new Gen2 VM and attach the VHDs to it. It has been a while since I've done this so hopefully if I'm wrong someone will chime in and correct me.

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BlackV@reddit

you have to convert the disk to gpt, but MS have a supported tool for this

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datec@reddit

Thank you!!! I was pretty sure I was forgetting a step there and was too preoccupied with real life to take the time to figure out what I had forgotten.

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BlackV@reddit

you have to convert them to gen2 you can do this but its a couple of steps and technically you're recreating the VM

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jamaul08@reddit (OP)

Did not run into this. Did you do in-place upgrades to 2022? I deployed my 2022 servers fresh a year ago and migrated services (this was a two-year process).

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gpmr@reddit

No, the servers were built as 2022 but it turns out the template was built with BIOS firmware and subsequently all the VMs cloned from the template.

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patriot050@reddit

It's not too difficult to convert those to generation 2..

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fun_crush@reddit

We had a mini funeral when we powered down our last ESXi host. People said a few words that went along the lines of "Great product.... Shit company... Fuck Broadcom...."

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GhostC10_Deleted@reddit

Yeah I wanted to go with proxmox, but the company wanted hyper v to make their coming azure migration easier.

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Do_TheEvolution@reddit

[xcpng](https://github.com/DoTheEvo/XCPng-basics) is what I really like now, running at home and at few servers with less important stuff.

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The_Fat_Fish@reddit

Annoyingly we migrated from Hyper-V to VMware recently, procuring the solution (Dell VxRail) just weeks before the Broadcom takeover. Although it's been a much better product in terms of stability, we have encountered no-end of licensing issues. We are with it for the next 4-5 years but after that, we are unlikely to renew. I'll see how Hyper-V progresses in that time, but my current leanings are towards Azure Local.

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TheKuMan717@reddit

I wouldn’t had signed anything without legal involved.

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dukeofurl01@reddit

I'm curious why some people use ESXI other than its from a 3rd party, so more likely to actually work. I dont know much about virtual machines. Why is one better than say... Virtual Box? ('Why' is really the most important part here)

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shikkonin@reddit

> Why is one better than say... Virtual Box? For actual production use, a bare-metal hypervisor is what you want.

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dukeofurl01@reddit

Interesting. I learned the term Bare Metal as running a server natively on server hardware, not as a virtual machine. But you're saying that's not correct?

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shikkonin@reddit

> But you're saying that's not correct? No, I'm not saying that. But you can run the *hypervisor* bare-metal instead of VirtualBox.

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dukeofurl01@reddit

I'm showing my inexperience here, but I'm putting together that Hyper-V is itself the operating system that installs onto hardware and can run one or more virtual machines, while Virtual Box is an Application that gets installed to a server, and then virtual machines are under the Application. Do I have that right?

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artifex78@reddit

Hyper-V is the hypervisor, technically it's fully integrated into the OS, hence it's not an application but part of the OS, like ESX. This is more efficient. Virtual Box is an application that is installed on an OS and has to talk to the OS first. Both host virtual machines (ESX has more features, though). "Bare metal" means it runs directly on physical hardware instead of being virtualised. You can run Hyper-V within a virtual machine, it doesn't have to be bare metal. I assume VB can run on a VM, too.

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shikkonin@reddit

Correct.

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warmike_1@reddit

So the VirtualBox that you install in Windows is a hosted hypervisor, but the Hyper-V Manager that you also install in Windows is a bare metal hypervisor? Or is the server Hyper-V thing a different thing?

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New_Plate_1096@reddit

Hyper-V is baked into the windows server OS, making it bare metal as it has direct access to hardware. Heck you don't even download anything to install it, just enable the feature in settings.

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dukeofurl01@reddit

Oh. Then I can easily see how that is superior. Now, is ESXI the same way, an operating system, or an application?

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epackorigan@reddit

You need to realize that Oracle, like Broadcom, will send you some interesting mail once you start using VirtualBox in a business environment. The license used to be pretty clear about that (I haven’t looked at the product in a very long time for that very reason).

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dukeofurl01@reddit

Like, they say you cant run servers on it?

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epackorigan@reddit

https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Licensing_FAQ Essentially, the ‘base’ package for virtualbox is GPL. To make it in any way useful, you need the extension pack. THAT part requires a paid license, unless you are using it for personal learning (ie: not for your company).

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dukeofurl01@reddit

Ah, so its really about licensing. Is the product any lesser though?

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sep76@reddit

Virtualbox compared to vmware workstation. Not to esxi. A different type of product. It is made for a person to run on their personal computer. Not to run servers in a cluster.

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shikkonin@reddit

It comes with additional overhead for zero benefit.

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MWierenga@reddit

Lookup Hypervisor type 1 and 2

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techmasterfast@reddit

The original post was made 8h ago and there are so many replies/comments. This reveals the frustration that is accumulated due to Broadcom's bad practices. It is sad to see a very good and known brand name like "VMware" go down the drain in the course of time.

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fudgegiven@reddit

Dumped vmware before broadcom destroyed them. Bought new hardware 2015 with a 5 year support contract. So bought the vmware licenses at the same time, also with 5 years support. All payed. So now we had a worry free situation. We get all updates and upgrades until 2020. No missed invoices or price hikes. Except, it didn't take long for them to EoL the product. If my memory serves me right it was in 2016. But it was 10 years ago so my memory is fuzzy. Anyway, now the version we are running is EoL and we should change to a different product. No problem, we already payed for the support so this will be covered there, right? No. Ok, but we get a discount, right? No. Ok, then we surely get the support contract refunded? No. So ran the EoL product until 2020 when it was time to renew the hardware. Then migrated everything to HyperV.

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Farking_Bastage@reddit

Just turned up a small VMware setup(12 hosts). The license cost more than the servers did.

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fragglet@reddit

What's even the point of a virtual machine at that point

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randalzy@reddit

We're kind of locked for 3 years, but they managed to shit on our migration this summer and cause all kind of issues with the licenses. I'll be advocating for a migration path out of VMWare during this cycle

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gotfondue@reddit

Ditched them a few years back for prox ✌️

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Dizzybro@reddit

If it helps, I think the cease and desist is more "you no longer can upgrade versions" versus shut down every thing

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sieb@reddit

Jokes on them, I can't upgrade because I still have active Datriums (only supported up to 7.03)! Granted, I already migrated everything but one VM over to Nutanix until we can kill it completely next month. When the time comes, I'm going to download every missing update just to spite them, then torch the cluster and wait for my C&D letter so I can frame it.

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bongthegoat@reddit

We just finished decomming our datrium nodes. Best VM storage ever. Wish they would have had a better run after VMware bought them out. I might have a clue of CN2100 compute nodes as my home lab hardware now 😂

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sieb@reddit

It was such a good setup and ran circles around our previous Nimble arrays. Never had an issue with them either. Sad they got abandoned. They got bought out a month after we purchased our arrays. Had I known, I probably would have gone with Pure instead though. Would have saved us some headaches, and money, with this whole Broadcom fiasco. Oh well.

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Sk1rm1sh@reddit

No patches, any installed patches must be uninstalled.

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epsiblivion@reddit

what date is that? the end of your support contract?

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pc_tech_mtl@reddit

Switched to Nutanix. Worth it if you have the budget.

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Sniper-ex@reddit

Why would you sign? Probably best to ignore

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Itsme809@reddit

Did you follow any specific articles to setup your hyper-v cluster? If so can you share?

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neko_whippet@reddit

What method you used to migrate VMware to Hyper-V We used solar winds v2v converter but I hate that it can only migrate to gen1 vhd have to do a converter to migrate it to vhdx after

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Sp00nD00d@reddit

Zerto worked amazing for it for ours.

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jamaul08@reddit (OP)

I did it using Veeam. Backup the servers and migrate to Hyper-V using instant recovery.

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Oflameo@reddit

Tech cartels be trip'n.

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flickin123@reddit

What kind of a license were you running, was it a lease or some previous permanent license and just your support contract has ended?

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NotFrankZappaToday@reddit

We just paid the ridiculous markup to continue to use VCentre. I hate software companies.

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crazzygamer2025@reddit

I'm switching to proxmox from VMware because of all the new fees and stuff.

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sanjosedre@reddit

What did you use for the migration?

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jamaul08@reddit (OP)

Used Veeam to backup the servers and migrate them to Hyper-V using instant recovery.

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jjohnson1979@reddit

Did you restore to the same host? As in: did you backup, reinstall Windows on top of ESXi, and restore, or was there a rearranging of servers?

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jamaul08@reddit (OP)

I did some server shuffling. Removed an ESXi host from each cluster and created a new Hyper-V cluster. Moved VMs until there was enough remaining for 1 less host to handle. Removed more ESXi hosts, wiped, added to Hyper-V cluster, move VMs. You get the idea.

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Total_Job29@reddit

I’ve been out this game for a little while since moving into upper management and moved company but as someone who used to run around 1000VMs (we went Hyper-V initially and thankfully for all my ex-colleagues!) you migration with Veeam and server shuffling is a great path and also made me feel a little nostalgic for those days. They were stressful, over worked, full of ‘oh crap I need to sort this moments’, the 2am-5am out of hours work. So it was shit but now I’m setting OKRs and having 1:1s and reports to the board. Give me a server to deal with please! Anyway great job in the migration.

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Biscuits8211@reddit

I am seeing a lot of movement back to on prem. I wonder how far it will go. Windows licenses are too damn expensive. As a side note.

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Ihaveasmallwang@reddit

Hyper-V is on prem. You’re paying windows licensing fees whether it’s on prem or in the cloud.

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primalbluewolf@reddit

...assuming you're using Windows.

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Ihaveasmallwang@reddit

Most companies have some Windows servers.

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primalbluewolf@reddit

So its usually a safe assumption.

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Immortal_Tuttle@reddit

Is there anything in licence agreement that require you to inform them you no longer using their product? I would send it to our legal - we had a few crackshot people there and my boss loved our legal department because if they found something it meant that he could earn some "easy money"

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thebotnist@reddit

I'm not familiar with a hyper-v container, what's that?

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dotnetmonke@reddit

Hyper-V turns Windows Server into a hypervisor.

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thebotnist@reddit

That's not a container though

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jamaul08@reddit (OP)

I mean clusters. Corrected post

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tin-naga@reddit

We did all the paperwork and communication and they still sent a cease and desist. Every time their sales reach out, I find it humorous. Proxmox is humming fine and doesn’t have those phantom network disconnections.

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supdaddio@reddit

I got one of those after letting my contract lapse after moving all (only 8 mind you) of my VMs back to Hyper-V. Thing is, the letter said "please respond in three days." On the second day I got a follow up email saying "Since we haven't heard back from you, we will be passing your account along to the compliance and audit team. " Uh huh. I sent it back the third day. They wrecked a stellar product. I hope they metaphorically choke on their stock options.

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Ok_Discount_9727@reddit

Just wait for the follow up audit to confirm. T

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Brilliant-Advisor958@reddit

Oh man , if a company wants to audit me after I no longer use their software , they can get their own cease and desist from our lawyers and a bill for their time. I know they wouldn't pay but it would be fun.

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THE_Ryan@reddit

Hyper-V.... Containers?

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Smith6612@reddit

Sounds like it is also time to invoice Broadcom for the inconvenience /s

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