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Is Freemasonry still a big thing in the UK?

Posted by weregonnamakit@reddit | AskUK | View on Reddit | 433 comments

Is it difficult to get into as in the early days? Seems like this organisation is more open now so maybe something has changed?

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Flat_Development6659@reddit

From my understanding it's still quite big but it's more of a social/charity club. Generally secret clubs can't really be secret clubs when they're famous.
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IndividualCurious322@reddit

Ofcourse they can be secret even if they're famous. Freemasonry has degrees that go all the way upto 33rd (If its a Scottish Rites lodge). Your level of initiation will imply what you're privy to. A first degree will know next to nothing but the outermost, surface level stuff. Someone much higher will know all about the diary of Amoela ect. Most people also aren't aware of their close relationship to the Shriners and The Order of the Odd fellows even though it's extremely public information.
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lilidragonfly@reddit

So do they actually still learn esoteric religious/spiritual info? And is it signficantly different to what you can learn yourself via any of the seemingly similar but more open Wrstern esoteric groups? The main difference woth freemasonry always seemed to me to be the social 'perks' compared to other similar groups, given so many powerful/influential people are freemasons.
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IndividualCurious322@reddit

From what I've learnt, very little of the information Masonry holds in the esoteric sense is exclusive to them anymore, though in the past this was different. The social perks are pretty much their main draw nowadays.
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MysticalGandy@reddit

So you aren’t a mason then?
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IndividualCurious322@reddit

Women cannot be Masons in the traditional sense. I know there's women lodges, but they teach completely different things.
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MysticalGandy@reddit

How do you know this if you aren’t a mason?? There are two women’s grand lodges in the UK recognised by the United Grand Lodge of England, same ritual…
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IndividualCurious322@reddit

I have access to documents, books and research materials that have either been surreptitiously taken from Lodges or are written by former (no longer living) Masons.
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lilidragonfly@reddit

Makes sense, that was my perception also.
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

Perks? I’d love to know what they would be in the public perception. I’ve been a member for 30 years, been a lodge secretary more than once, similarly as a DC, and I know of no perks whatsoever.
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TheNecroFrog@reddit

Hate to be the one to point it out, but this is wildly inaccurate.
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IndividualCurious322@reddit

What part is "wildly inaccurate"?
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TheNecroFrog@reddit

Freemasonry has degrees that go all the way up to the 33rd (if its a Scottish Rites Lodge) Craft Freemasonry only has 3 Degrees. There is an appendant body Freemasons can join that’s called the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, more commonly referred to as Rose Croix but these are not Lodges. Your level of initiation will imply what you’re privy too There aren’t levels of initiation. The only things that someone isn’t privy too will be the contents of the ceremonies which they haven’t yet undertaken and some of the inner workings of the Lodge, this typicallly sits with past-masters. Diary of Amolea That’s nonsense. Close relationships to the Shriners Not withstanding the fact that the Shrine doesn’t really exist over here, the Shrine is a an appendant body. Order of the Oddfellows Have nothing to do with us, though they were inspired by Freemasonry.
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thomb74@reddit

Pretty much all of it.
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IndividualCurious322@reddit

I guess Freemasons have a habit of lying, since all that information is from people who were at one point Masons.
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thomb74@reddit

It is true that the Shriners are all Masons. This is hardly secret information. There is no relation to the Odd Fellows. Both organizations share some similarities, but that's about it.
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thomb74@reddit

The Scottish Rite degrees are not in any way "above" the first three degrees. They are numbered, but not received in numerical order. Virtually every Scottish Rite mason in the US has received the 32d degree, it is not unusual or indicative of some particularly rare distinction. The 33d degree is a purely honorary degree, granted as a recognition to people who have done a lot of service over time, and again doesn't denote any particular authority. If you claim to have some create awareness, including these people who were at one point Masons (some people who say they are former Masons may lie) you're going to need to bring receipts. You're talking to people who actually know what they're talking about.
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Deman75@reddit

That’s not really how that works. “Initiation” is just the first degree; most members get to the third degree (Master Mason) within a year or two if they don’t quit. That’s the pinnacle of Craft Lodge Freemasonry, barring elected leadership positions. To take any other degrees, you have to join a separate but related organization, like the Shriners, or the Scottish Rite. They have no bearing on what is done in Craft Lodges, but offer further moral lessons to contemplate and further opportunities to socialize. Odd Fellows is completely unrelated, as is Orange Order (though they use some of the same symbols). No idea what this “diary” you’re talking about is, and I’ve been a member for 20 years, led two different Lodges over three different terms and held leadership positions in several related organizations…including the Scottish Rite, where I received the 33° four years ago.
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IndividualCurious322@reddit

Not how what works? If there was no hidden knowledge there would also be no need for initiations, ceremonies, degrees, symbolism ect. I'm aware the nitty gritty differs between lodges. Oddfellows isn't unrelated at all. They infact shared a common source at one time (Masons can become Oddfellow, and Oddfellows can become Masons) and nowadays share similar goals (Masons put more emphasis on improving oneself, with charity coming as a result from the individuals personal development and higher spiritual path. Oddfellows do the inverse, and try to improve things around them to lead themselves and others onto a higher spiritual path.) Of course you wont have any idea about the Amoela stuff. As I've implied, Masonry keeps many things hidden, though there are always members who can't help but talk.
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Deman75@reddit

>Not how what works? The difference between the degrees comes down to a little bit of experience, and the knowledge of a handful of passwords and handshakes. Having the 33° doesn’t mean that you’re privy to the secrets of the universe (or *whatever* that diary thing is), it doesn’t even necessarily mean that you’re more knowledgeable about Freemasonry. It *does* mean that you’ve joined an additional group beyond your Lodge, and been honoured for your dedication to Freemasonry and/or your community. >If there was no hidden knowledge there would also be no need for initiations, ceremonies, degrees, symbolism ect. I'm aware the nitty gritty differs between lodges. The “knowledge” is no more hidden in Freemasonry than it is in the Bible or any philosophical text. The different ceremonies are about *how* the knowledge is imparted and reinforced. >Oddfellows isn't unrelated at all. They infact shared a common source at one time Oddfellows may have been started as an alternative to Freemasonry - fraternal societies were all the rage at the time. There is no “common source” except that both are fraternal societies. >(Masons can become Oddfellow, and Oddfellows can become Masons) Both can also become rugby players or first aid attendants, yet neither of those is related either. Any man who meets the membership can become a Freemason, or an Odd Fellow, or a member of one of dozens of other fraternal organizations. Belonging to one does not typically prohibit you from joining another, but it doesn’t give you a leg up either….except in the case of *related* organizations, like Shriners, that require you to be a Freemason first. >and nowadays share similar goals (Masons put more emphasis on improving oneself, with charity coming as a result from the individuals personal development We seek to be better men. One effect of that is that we often seek to improve our families and communities by extension, as do many unrelated community organizations. >and higher spiritual path. I don’t know about Odd Fellows, but a Mason’s “spiritual path” is between him and his religion. >Oddfellows do the inverse, and try to improve things around them to lead themselves and others onto a higher spiritual path.) I’m not sure how that’s inverse. >Of course you wont have any idea about the Amoela stuff. As I've implied, Masonry keeps many things hidden, though there are always members who can't help but talk. You’re the one who said it’s revealed at the 33°. I received the 33° over four years, and…it’s not a thing. The only things we really keep hidden are the passwords and handshakes. And we’ve come back around to “that’s not how that works.” You’re right about one thing…I “secrets” have definitely been revealed many times over the years via many sources. The trick is telling the actual secrets apart from the nonsense stuff you’re talking about.
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IndividualCurious322@reddit

>Having the 33° doesn’t mean that you’re privy to the secrets of the universe Never claimed it did. I said newer Masons (1st degree) will know next to nothing and those higher up will know more. >The “knowledge” is no more hidden in Freemasonry than it is in the Bible or any philosophical text.  Which is why in my second post I said "very little of the information Masonry holds in the esoteric sense is exclusive to them anymore, though in the past this was different." >There is no “common source” except that both are fraternal societies. The earliest English branches were headed by former Masons. The american branch of The Order of The Odd Fellows (IOOF) was founded by Thomas Wildey who **may** have also been a Mason. >I’m not sure how that’s inverse. One focuses on improvement via self, the other focuses on improvement via their environment believing that it leads to the improvement of self. The end goal is virtually the same, but the way it is done is in opposites. >You’re the one who said it’s revealed at the 33°. Not sure why you've chosen to make that up... My words exactly were "Your level of initiation will imply what you're privy to. A first degree will know next to nothing but the outermost, surface level stuff. Someone much higher will know all about the diary of Amoela ect." I didn't say you learn about the diary of Amoela at the 33rd degree, but that someone much higher (than a new initiate) will know about it. It's hardly nonsense when the sources come from former (as in, now deceased) masons themselves.
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Deman75@reddit

>Never claimed it did. I said newer Masons (1st degree) will know next to nothing and those higher up will know more. Fair point. I took you saying “Freemasonry has degrees that go all the way upto 33rd” right before that and inferred that those were the “much higher up” people you were talking about. Since that is apparently *not* what you meant, who *are* these much higher up people you’re talking about? >Which is why in my second post I said "very little of the information Masonry holds in the esoteric sense is exclusive to them anymore, though in the past this was different." It was *never* exclusive to us. It mostly comes from the Bible, the most published book on earth. >The earliest English branches were headed by former Masons. The american branch of The Order of The Odd Fellows (IOOF) was founded by Thomas Wildey who may have also been a Mason. How is that a common source? They decided they didn’t like Freemasonry as it existed and wanted to do their own thing instead. At best they cribbed some ideas from Masonry…not a common source. They are not a Masonic organization, they’re an organization started by former Masons (assuming we take you at your word - I’ve seen no mention of that in their histories, and Google doesn’t support your claim). >One focuses on improvement via self, the other focuses on improvement via their environment believing that it leads to the improvement of self. The end goal is virtually the same, but the way it is done is in opposites. I don’t know a lot about the Odd Fellows, but I do know that their degrees work on their members’, and not that of the population at large. They are charged to help the less fortunate, but so are Freemasons. If you’re trying to say that their Lodges are more focused on community improvement, that may be true…but it also may vary by Lodge. We instruct our individual members to be charitable in disposition, but not every Lodge conducts charity work as a group. >You’re the one who said it’s revealed at the 33°. >Not sure why you've chosen to make that up... My words exactly were "Your level of initiation will imply what you're privy to. A first degree will know next to nothing but the outermost, surface level stuff. A first degree is still learning his way around the organization. He should be well familiar with the information available at subsequent degrees, but not the manner in which it will be emphasized. It’s not any kind of hidden esoteric knowledge that sets us apart from other groups, but the manner in which we reinforce common sense moral lessons. >Someone much higher will know all about the diary of Amoela ect." So, again, who are these “much higher” someones who no about these things? You present 33rds as some sort of pinnacle of Freemasonry in the preceding sentence, and when I tell you that 33rds have no idea what you’re talking about, you claim they’re not the people you meant. Who are these people? > It's hardly nonsense when the sources come from former (as in, now deceased) masons themselves. Can you share the names of these sources? Googling “diary of Amoela Freemasonry” returns this (googling without “Freemasonry” returns stuff about amoebas): > The "Diary of Amoela" is a fictional, legendary artifact mentioned in the context of esoteric, pseudo-historical literature rather than mainstream Freemasonry records. It is often linked to the 19th-century book Seola (or Angels and Women), which explores tales of the Antediluvian era. It’s nonsense from fake sources my guy.
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

You’re talking about US masonry. We don’t have the Shrines over here, and a 33° mason is just a Master Mason (3°) who has joined another order whose membership requirements are that applicants are Master Masons. They’ve then spent many year as members of that order, served for years as secretary/DC/etc., and ultimately been appointed head of a District (aka county - broadly speaking). They’ve then spent are still just Master Masons, and carry no ‘weight’ outside of that particular order. (I’m a secretary in that order too, and have personal friends who do, or have held, that particular office)
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weregonnamakit@reddit (OP)

I guess thats what I was asking. I know it is well known but when I was younger I remember it was quite difficult to become a Freemason. Just wondering if things have changed.
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thomb74@reddit

Why do you believe it was quite difficult?
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mrs_shrew@reddit

According to a few I've known over the years, it's pretty easy to get into and get promoted if you're under 60. They're desperate for new young blood so they're very welcoming if you fit that.
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ITAW-Techie@reddit

What do you actually do if you join?
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bite_my_shiny_metal@reddit

You can apply online to join. You are still vetted ‘socially’ - basically just to make sure you’re in it for the right reasons and not a bell end that will disrupt the lodge. If you decide to join, you’ll have a meeting once a month for 8 of the 12 mths. A meeting will normally consist of a ceremony (think of it like a short play) for a members first, second or third degree, general business - followed by a 3-4 course dinner with a bunch of formal toasts, but mostly a good dinner with mates. It’s 100% not what most people think it is.
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iykyk@reddit

8 meetings a year is a lot. It’s more like 4-6 a year in most lodges
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Neither_Set_3048@reddit

If that’s your experience I would say it’s very much the exception. A month off for summer otherwise it’s 1 meeting and 2 practices every month. Then all the add on stuff for Xmas and new year.
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Superb-Act-3201@reddit

So it's like joining a biker gang without the bikes?😄
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Total_HD@reddit

What gets practiced?
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Neither_Set_3048@reddit

This isn’t particularly a secret and you can google it. But what a lot of people don’t realise is a large portion of freemasonry is actually like being in a drama club. People have roles and scripts they have to learn and some is extremely complicated. It really helps if you have people who excel or have an interest in the stage. A lot of people who love Shakespeare or stuff like that really enjoy it. It can take hours a week and practice sessions are held. Not everyone is involved or feel they need to practice. But it will depend on your experience and what you are required to do.
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Total_HD@reddit

Huh. Thanks, I too never knew that.
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iykyk@reddit

That is way more annual meetings than I’ve ever had - and I joined 15 years ago. 6 a year when I was based in Oxford and 4 a year now I’m in a London lodge - and I’ve been through the chair and am now DC.
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Spirited-Alarm-9981@reddit

The lodge I’m about to be initiated into is 7 a year- skipping July-September and January
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Simba-xiv@reddit

What’s a DC you a like a grand wizard now ?
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LloydPickering@reddit

Director of Ceremonies. That's the lodge officer who organises the ceremonies and practices, makes sure everyone knows their lines and helps makes sure the ceremonial side goes off without a hitch. Also responsible for protocol and etiquette etc, so for example at the dinner afterwards, they are the person responsible for controlling things like toasts and speeches.
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Simba-xiv@reddit

Right right so makes sure the blood sacrifice goes off correct for the eternal youth rite. Being serious now, thank you. I’m picturing it like an American frat house kinda. Not so much the party side but the connections and network.
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LloydPickering@reddit

We don't haze people like they do, but in some ways yes, similar to frat houses. I've also heard it described as Scouts for grown-ups (with less outdoor activities), and a lot of ex-military people say they like it as it reminds them of the military messes
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Simba-xiv@reddit

Ok cool I get the vibe. Ive always been interested in what happens at the Freemasons. I don’t want to join it but I’d like to be a fly in the wall for a few weeks.
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LloydPickering@reddit

Can't happen unfortunately. The first job when opening a lodge is to check that the door is properly guarded and secondly that only masons are present inside the lodge room!
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Simba-xiv@reddit

We need a YouTuber to infiltrate and make a documentary 😂. I need to know what happens
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LloydPickering@reddit

It happened in America a couple of years ago... i'll not share the link as I promised on my honour not to reveal masonic secrets to non-masons.
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PartiZAn18@reddit

Ha, try 8 meetings _a month_
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iykyk@reddit

That’s surely due to multiple lodges and side orders though right? I had 5 meetings in November, but that was 1 each of craft, chapter, RAM, Mark, Rose Croix
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PartiZAn18@reddit

Just Craft - but not one lodge. Lots of visitation. :)
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sindud@reddit

I'm in Plymouth. We have 10
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bite_my_shiny_metal@reddit

Not outside London mate, most meet Sept-April.
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AnonymooseRedditor@reddit

And if you travel at all you could attend more meetings, visiting and traveling is a good part of the fraternity too.
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Gullflyinghigh@reddit

>A meeting will normally consist of a ceremony (think of it like a short play) for a members first, second or third degree, general business - followed by a 3-4 course dinner with a bunch of formal toasts I quite like the idea except for the play and toasts bit...seems a bit...odd?
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SockSock@reddit

I used to work at a masons "lodge" (local village hall) in South Wales. It was ridiculous and hilarious. Little old men walking around in pinnies it looked like they'd stitched themselves in primary school and nonsense chants and toasts to "the grand architect" and Prince Philip. Our local greengrocer was the leader of one of the lodges and there were plenty of police.
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Millefeuille-coil@reddit

Be wary of folk buying one carrot
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Longjumping_Tour_613@reddit

Wise words. Is that a Sun Tzu or a Confucius quote??
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Hyperaeon@reddit

As far as I can tell it's a club for naive engineers. Then it gradually becomes a vector and vessel for corruption as you advance. Then professor Jiang slowly smiles from the bottom of his dark soul as he channels the energy of the nascent gestalt abyss... "... Okay." :D Then you are organising the hit team to kill professor Jiang.
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Jeremys_Iron_@reddit

Homer Simpson: "what the hell are you talking about?"
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Hyperaeon@reddit

Well the "no homers" club ends up going places after a few generations. And the free masons are a literally medieval secret society. So they have had... More than enough. "Time..."
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mrs_shrew@reddit

Socials, dinner & dance with the old dears, charity event like the lions club does, ritual killing of young fresh men for their blood....oops sorry that last bit was wrong. No killing, none at all, unless you would like to be killed. 
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jonewer@reddit

Secret stuff
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mattbriers@reddit

Give them your new young blood.
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Solo-me@reddit

My neighbour invited me to join.... I was amazed as I always thought it was meant to be kept secret.
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ratscabs@reddit

So how did you think anybody new ever got to join?
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FatYorkshireLad@reddit

Sack over the head kidnapping.
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weregonnamakit@reddit (OP)

Lol!
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PulsatingBalloonKnot@reddit

Apart from the one trouser leg rolled up with middle finger tickling your palm whilst shaking hands?
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

Never was; before WWII there were processions of masons in full regalia. Stopped during and for a while after hostilities as word crossed the channel that the Nazis were targeting Freemasons as the source of any resistance movement. Understandably members stopped ‘advertising’. That mindset naturally persisted until the couple of post war generations grew old and, in the main have passed away. We’re much more open now. I’m a lodge secretary and former DC.
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HankHippopopolous@reddit

Two of the guys I work with are Freemasons. They go to lots of meetings and I don’t really know what else they do when they’re there. I do know that one of the guys had a sick child and the Freemasons used their connections to get him seen by some top specialists for his condition way faster than he would have been treated on the NHS. They also paid for it too. So at the very least that seems to make it worth being a member.
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Da5ren@reddit

I do wonder if it’s a “one day we will ask for a favour in return you can’t say no to” sort of deal.
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AnonymooseRedditor@reddit

It’s more a case that we’re encouraged to be charitable. As I mentioned in a previous post I’m in Canada but I know in the UK the masons have paid for air ambulance helicopters
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Deman75@reddit

Too many movies, for sure.
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LuxuryMustard@reddit

My dad was a Freemason (because his dad was a Freemason) and they paid for his heart surgery at a private hospital
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Inner-Device-4530@reddit

If you want to join, all you have to do is ask. This was always been the case
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targrimm@reddit

Exactly something a freemason would say!
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mb271828@reddit

I had a freemason knock on my door last Christmas, the previous owner's husband was a freemason and had died but they still dropped flowers and a card round for his wife at Christmas. He was quite open about who he was from and why he was there when I told him that I assumed the wife was now dead given we had recently bought the house as a probate sale. Then just yesterday the same bloke knocked with flowers and a card again, we recognised each other, and he immediately remembered our previous conversation. I still don't know much about freemasons except they aren't too efficient at updating their records.
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Early_Bicycle6568@reddit

Plot twist, there was never a wife. You've got something they want in their lodge and it's all a ruse to build a rapport with you. Expect an invite soon.
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pogs_rule@reddit

Very accurate about them being poor with updating records. My dad was a mason, after he passed away they still checked in on my mum for Christmas and her Birthday, they’d also take the widows of the lodge out for a Christmas meal every year, but that stopped with Covid. Mum moved 3 years ago, this is the first year they managed to send out a Christmas card to the right address. The Grandmaster, who is a close friend of my parents, was well aware mum sold the house and moved. He’s been to her new house more than once.
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AnonymooseRedditor@reddit

It’s primarily a volunteer run organization, the lodge secretary is usually responsible for this and it can indeed happen.
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Deman75@reddit

>The Grandmaster, who is a close friend of my parents, Your parents are close with the [Duke of Kent](https://www.ugle.org.uk/about-us/ugle-governance)?
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clutchnorris123@reddit

Could be Scottish
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Deman75@reddit

Could be. We usually get a new one of those every five years or so. I spent some time with the last one just before he installed his replacement last month. Nice chap.
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FeedFrequent1334@reddit

> Grandmaster, who is a close friend of my parents, was well aware mum sold the house and moved. He’s been to her new house more than once. Good for him. Must be a welcome break from those meetings and ceremonies.
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mozchops@reddit

It's like a jungle sometimes...
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g0ldcd@reddit

And next year, you die in a freak accident, and there's a knock on the door and condolences to your wife from the freemasons. \*spooky noises and arm waving\*
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Sickinmytechchunk@reddit

It's more they can't be secret when lots of MPs and people holding public office are in them. It's blatant corruption.
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TheNecroFrog@reddit

How so?
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Sickinmytechchunk@reddit

Because it's a secret club that can promote its own interests without public scrutiny? Does your MP, Councillor etc. represent you or their secret club? Should you be prevented from certain public sector jobs because you or your family doesn't have masonic ties? There's a reason why there was a huge issue with Free Masons in parliament just a few years ago. I've seen first hand their corruption in Pembrokeshire. There was a period a few decades back where you could get any job in public sector organisations without some link too and acceptance by the masons. They'll tell you it's just philanthropic but it's not.
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TheNecroFrog@reddit

> Because it’s a secret club It’s not though it is. Our Headquarters is open to the public year round, and individual Lodges open their doors to the public for a variety of occasions. We have websites and social media, you can apply to join online. We’re active and visible in the community. Most members are open about their membership (and those that aren’t are usually due to people like yourself). > That can promote its own interests without public scrutiny We’re very clear what our interests are, it’s made evident in all of our public facing information. Further, why should there be any public scrutiny of Freemasonry? We’re a members organisation. Should a golf club face public scrutiny, what about Andy’s Man’s Club? Our businesses and charities are registered on Companies House like any other. Our Senior Leadership are publicly identified. > They’ll tell you it’s philanthropic but it’s not. We’re the second largest provider of Charitable Donations in England and Wales after the National Lottery. This doesn’t include time Freemasons spend volunteering within their community, for example members of my Lodge, myself included, volunteer at a food bank on Christmas Day. Today I attended a Charity event that raised over a thousand pounds for a local Care Home, mainly by Freemasons. Yesterday we donated to a charity that provides PTSD support for ex-blue light workers, and spent some time discussing plans for next year. Earlier this week my Lodge raffle raised over £200 for Charity, last month we donated to Andy’s Man’s Club and the month prior to a local kids sports team. This year I’ve taken part jn N Easter Egg run donating Eggs to Care Homes for Adults with Specialised needs. We did a Charity Ride raising nearly a grand which involved spending 20 hours on the bike in a 24 hour window. We’ve also supported our local Air Ambulance and Blood Bike. As for the rest of your comments, do you have any evidence to back any of those allegations? As a Freemason this is something I hear time and time again and yet there’s never any evidence to support it. It’s just baseless conspiracy.
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Sickinmytechchunk@reddit

Pretty sure that's a copy/paste response I've read before and I here no less. You can go blue in the face telling me about your charity work but it's not a glorified sports club. I don't wish to doxx myself by giving any more information on what I've seen. If it's not what you say it is I'm sure you can refute all of the references to articles like [this](https://legallens.org.uk/unmasking-an-old-boys-club-freemasonry-whistleblowers-and-the-uk-justice-system/) and can explain why the recommendations of the HAC were never carried out or watered down. Or why the Masons are preventing serving police from disclosing their membership.
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TheNecroFrog@reddit

If that’s a copy/pasted response you’re more than welcome to go ahead and send me a link to where it’s been posted before (spoiler alert - it hasn’t). Alternatively, you could act like an adult and admit you’re misinformed. It’s also very convenient for you that you’re casting aspersions but have no way of backing them up. Regarding the HAC report, you’ll notice that if you read the citations they clearly state that Freemasonry wasn’t a significant factor in their investigations. https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199899/cmselect/cmhaff/467/46703.htm “we conclude that freemasonry was not a primary cause of the difficulties within the Serious Crimes Squad although we cannot entirely exclude the possibility that it may have been a contributory factor.” “Overall, we conclude that freemasonry was not a significant factor in the Birmingham pub bombings case.” “On the basis of the information supplied, we cannot conclude that freemasonry played a significant part in the Stalker affair. We cannot, however, entirely exclude the possibility that it did” You’ll also notice a significant bias in the report, recommending Freemasons be publicly disclosed despite not actually finding any real links between Freemasons and corruption. The site you’ve shared doesn’t seem to be a particularly reliable source,
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Sickinmytechchunk@reddit

How am I misinformed when there's quotes you use that back up what I said. You're displaying complete cognitive dissonance. You need to go and look and read the sources cited and stop pretending your old boys club is some innocent philanthropic organization.
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TheNecroFrog@reddit

That’s not what cognitive dissonance means my guy. The quotes, and further below from the overall conclusion of the report, make it abundantly clear that the allegations against Freemasonry are wildly unfounded. https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199899/cmselect/cmhaff/467/46703.htm “Overall conclusions 32. We repeat the point made in the previous Report: there is a great deal of unjustified paranoia about freemasonry, but freemasons, with their obsessive secrecy, are partly to blame for this” “We are also aware that there is a widespread belief that improper masonic influence does play a part in public life. Most of these allegations are impossible to prove. Where they can be carefully examined, they usually prove unfounded. It is clear, however, from some of the examples cited in this Report, and the previous Report, that there are cases where allegations of improper masonic influence may well be justified.” There you have it.
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Sickinmytechchunk@reddit

You must have glasses that make words not mean words.
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TheNecroFrog@reddit

If you want to convince yourself that something is true, with no foundation whatsoever, you’re more than welcome to. I’d strongly recommend attending an open day or white table at a Lodge nearby to you, I’m sure that will help enlighten you as to what Freemasonry actually is.
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Sickinmytechchunk@reddit

Again, words either don't mean words or you didn't even read what you quoted. You still haven't answered my question. Why are you avoiding it?
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bite_my_shiny_metal@reddit

It’s definitely not a secret club. The HQ is open to the public and gives tours. Most lodges have open days a few times a year and will happily show you round. You’re right, very social and very charitable.
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spamjavelin@reddit

A mate a few years back, who was on the square, told me that it's not a secret society, it's a society of secrets.
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bite_my_shiny_metal@reddit

Yeah, some secrets are symbolic, they date back to ancient (operative) masonry. Others are just because if you take someone to watch a film, you wouldn’t tell them the story or the ending. It’s more enjoyable for them to experience it.
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AnonymooseRedditor@reddit

This is a great way to explain it.
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Which_Performance_72@reddit

They're fairly open about nearly every aspect apart from the ceremonies. I've always been told it's not a secret society it's a society with secrets
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Legitimate_Junket961@reddit

I’ve googled it multiple times and I still don’t get what it is. Is it just a dodgy cult or what 
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MMAgeezer@reddit

It's an esoteric social club that does a lot of charity and volunteering work. They also have a lot of weird old traditions and "secrets".
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Revolutionary-Mode75@reddit

It just a social club with some historical practices.
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Da5ren@reddit

Yeah my neighbours were both Freemasons (opposite sides of me) and they said it was all just to do with community and supporting each other. Now, there might be a racist element to this, but personally I never experienced that. I just know whenever I need anything, be it a trade or anything they were able to sort me out. Might be less to do with Freemasons and more they were just sound, but I’ve never had neighbours like that before or after.
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FeedFrequent1334@reddit

> Generally secret clubs can't really be secret clubs when they're famous Aye. It's kinda hard to have a secret club when your meeting place is on the high street and has "Masonic Hall" emblazoned above the main entrance tbf.
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top_gun1511@reddit

A freemason once told me - "We aren't a secret club, we are a club with secrets"
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spamjavelin@reddit

A mate a few years back, who was on the square, told me that it's not a secret society, it's a society of secrets.
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Amanensia@reddit

It’s very easy to get in. The purpose of Freemasonry is to make more Masons.
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iamworsethanyou@reddit

My Father in law is, I'm yet to be invited.
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Savanarola79@reddit

You have to ask - don't wait to be invited.
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Deman75@reddit

And you probably never will be; we don’t typically invite people to join. If you ask him about it, he’ll likely guide you through the path to membership if you meet the requirements and aren’t a total bell end.
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secret_tiger101@reddit

You ask to join
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Spirited-Alarm-9981@reddit

You won’t be invited, as a mason must join of their own willingness and free will. A man may be suggested they may be a good fit for Freemasonry, potentially be being taken along to lodge events etc, but other than that there won’t be much. If you’re serious about joining, you could ask your father in law about joining, or go ahead and contact your local lodge who can start the process of assessing your suitability and potential joining. I’m just at the end of that process and already I have met wonderful friends and I’m not even a member! I would say so far it’s 100% worth it
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GoldenArchmage@reddit

You will never be invited. You have to ask.
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Bisjoux@reddit

Has that changed? Some years ago my then partner was invited to join following some substantial career progression that put him in a position of influence.
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PadHicks@reddit

Theoretically no you're not going to be invited, but in practise you will be. I promise masonry is not full of people in positions of influence, it's more likely that whilst moving and shaking he came across a mason who liked him and wanted to beef up the numbers in his lodge.
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Blue_Frog_766@reddit

My dad was invited years ago.
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sputnikmonolith@reddit

I was invited.
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

You have to ask …
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AppropriateEngine665@reddit

He probably doesn’t like you enough. Or you need to ask.
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VerbingNoun413@reddit

Save him from an egg sandwich.
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5im0n5ay5@reddit

My heating engineer tried to recruit me
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pirateluke@reddit

The one near me hands out fliers to come join, dont think you even need an invite
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C2BK@reddit

If you have a penis.
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AmpleApple9@reddit

A lot of women are Masons. There are mixed lodges and women only lodges. Not sure where you’ve got this men only shite from
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jpepsred@reddit

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AmpleApple9@reddit

You do realise Freemasonry is so much more than the UGLE? Freemasonry is huge, made up of fraternal and charitable organisations all across the world.
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jpepsred@reddit

Yes, but this is why people have the impression that women can’t take part, because it is largely gender segregated. Women can’t take take part in the same way that girls used to be able to join the Boy Scouts—they could, but they had to join a different organisation for girls.
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AmpleApple9@reddit

Yes but saying women can’t be Freemasons is like saying women can’t play football. It’s not true at all. Ignorance isn’t an excuse to state something that’s factually incorrect.
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jpepsred@reddit

It’s not quite fatally incorrect is it? Until the 20th century, women could not become masons in England, and the men’s version doesn’t officially recognise the women’s version. Men’s football does officially recognise women’s football, so not comparable, not least because men’s and women’s football is segregated for a very obvious and necessary reason.
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TheNecroFrog@reddit

Men’s and Women’s Freemasonry (as far as the dynamic between UGLE/OWF & HFAF) is gender exclusive because that’s what members on both sides of the fence want. Gender exclusivity is only ever an issue for Freemasonry apparently, I’ve never heard the same criticism for Andy’s Man’s Club or the WI.
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TokiBongtooth@reddit

‘We’ll allow the others to take part but not in any official capacity’
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LloydPickering@reddit

I appreciate you are being flippant, but quite true. There is no global 'official' organisation. Instead there are a series of independent Grand Lodges who mutual 'recognise' each other (or don't). Recognition is complicated but the long and the short is, it means members are allowed to visit each other's jurisdictions. UGLE recognises the Grand Lodge of Scotland, the Grand Lodge of Ireland, the Grand Lodges of all the US States for example (along with many others). UGLE works alongside the Order of Women Freemasons and the Honourable Fraternity of Ancient Freemasons both of which are Grand Lodges for Women, however formal recognition doesn't exist so intervisitation is not permitted. Often the organisations will share lodge buildings and its not uncommon for husbands and wives to both be masons, just not visiting at each others' meetings. Male and Female freemasonry is kept separate and distinct, but certainly not 'official' and unofficial.
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Sergeant_Fred_Colon@reddit

Unlike the WI where if you have one you ain't getting in.
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Atompunk78@reddit

Well no, it’s to make more money for charity, it’s just that more masons = more charity money
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LopsidedLegs@reddit

I was invited many years ago by a school mate to join. However the stumbling block was I'm an atheist and therefore could not join as they require you to have a belief in God.
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x78965@reddit

That is a very common misconception in the English speaking world, where the theist branches of freemasonry dominate. They call themselves "regulars" and UGLE (United Grand Lodge of England) appointed themselves as the authority on who is or is not a freemason, according to themselves.
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CrossCityLine@reddit

No, they require belief in a generic “higher being”. It doesn’t have to be a god at all. Mother Earth would be enough.
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Blue_Frog_766@reddit

My dad was invited, and then rejected when they found out he was a Roman Catholic. This was years ago.
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

Actually, what’s more likely is that he mentioned it to his confessioner who stopped him.
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Blue_Frog_766@reddit

Nope. My dad wasn't a practising RC.
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

Then he would have been rejected for other reasons - and I don’t need to have been there
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Blue_Frog_766@reddit

Nope, you're still wrong. He knows better than you, lol.
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

Sigh. If that really was the reason, the only reason would be that they didn’t want to come between him and his religion. But I highly doubt it. You say I wasn’t there; true, *but neither were you*, and I highly doubt a) he would have been told why, or b) if he was, he hasn’t been truth with you. And he would have needed to ask; we Do. Not. Invite. End of.
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

That’s the stance in the US, not so much over here - but it does depend on the individual lodge.
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CrossCityLine@reddit

That’s a quote from the UK grand lodge website
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

I was referring to the ‘Mother Earth and power of the universe ’ bit - I doubt that would be an acceptable response .. it certainly wouldn’t be anywhere round here.
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LopsidedLegs@reddit

This was back in the 90s and it was implied that I would have to believe in a god. It could have been the branch itself, I know the guy who invited me was a regular church goer (multiple times a week) and heavily involved in his branch.
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CrossCityLine@reddit

From their FAQs “Do you have to believe in a God? When becoming a Freemason, members are expected to be able to affirm a belief in a ‘Supreme Being’. This is deliberately phrased so as to be fully inclusive and we celebrate the diverse nature of the beliefs of our members. There is no requirement to be an active practitioner of any particular religion.”
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i-am-a-passenger@reddit

Requiring a belief in a supreme being doesn’t include people who don’t believe in a supreme being.
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LegendEater@reddit

You can say "Mother Earth" is a supreme being and pass. I think your rage is misguided.
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i-am-a-passenger@reddit

That still excludes those who don’t want to pretend they believe dumb shit.
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LegendEater@reddit

I guess it precludes immature people who can't even say they believe in the planet they live on. Seems like a win?
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i-am-a-passenger@reddit

If it makes me immature to not think that everything I believe in is some form of supreme being, then I am proudly immature.
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LegendEater@reddit

Big of you to admit. Unfortunately, you only win over something that is not seen as any sort of barrier at all. You've basically beaten a baby at a game. Good one.
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i-am-a-passenger@reddit

Aw I can’t join the a club that is totally inclusive of only those who believe absolute moronic things, what a shame!
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LegendEater@reddit

You just don't get it, and that's okay. The most hilarious thing is none of what you have said would exclude you from assistance by the people you speak against. There are a lot of enemies in this world, and the Freemasons are not one of them. You only believe that because of people who would rather you looked at Freemasons than looked at them. Much love.
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i-am-a-passenger@reddit

Thinking the rules for who you allow into your club are dumb and not as inclusive as you may claim, does that mean I speak against the clubs members or think of them as enemies.
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FeedFrequent1334@reddit

You could probably say "if this supreme being is all seeing and all knowing then that being could only be my own subconscious. I believe I have a subconscious" and still pass.
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LegendEater@reddit

Exactly. You get it. You aren't arguing against me here.
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FeedFrequent1334@reddit

Yeah not disagreeing at all, just emphasizing that I think you're understating the extent of the "recruitment" process. I know loads of people involved with the lodge. Most of them are perfectly decent people who want whatever they think is best for their local communities and see the lodge as a way to be involved with decisions. But the bar for joining is way lower than most people realise. Add to that, far too many people seem to conflate the masonic lodge with the orange lodge when they're completely different organisations, and the conflation stems from the fact that historically Catholics were prohibited from participating in freemasonry *by the Catholic Church* rather than the freemasons. It looks cultish as fuck to outsiders but I think the reality is that it's no more cultish than organisations like the round table or the rotary club, which like freemasonry have their issues and have the same potential to cross into mafioso adjecent territory but are ultimately just a disjointed collective of bored individuals who want to feel part of something bigger that gives them some level of influence within the small bubble of their respective realities.
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CrossCityLine@reddit

Check out the big brain on Brett.
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i-am-a-passenger@reddit

So you believe their policy is still somehow “fully inclusive”?
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CrossCityLine@reddit

Belief in Physics and Evolution to explain life on Earth, or Mother Earth as I said in my original comment, would be enough for admission, yes.
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TheNecroFrog@reddit

> Belief in Physics That wouldn’t qualify you.
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MrStilton@reddit

That feels like sophistry being used to exploit a loophole.
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TheSero@reddit

From a comment that was literally just below yours from someone claiming to be one: "believe in some form of supreme being (we don't mind what it is so long as you aren't an atheist)"
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i-am-a-passenger@reddit

Neither Physics nor Evolution are examples of a “supreme being”, obviously…
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saccerzd@reddit

Still not sure that applies to everybody
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Atompunk78@reddit

That’s correct, I’m a mason yet 99% atheist It’s not hard for me to conclude the universe itself is god in some sense, which clears the bar for ‘a belief in a higher power’
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thewearisomeMachine@reddit

Had exactly the same - three different and unrelated friends all wanted to propose me, but I just don’t believe in a higher power and can’t fake it.
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CrossCityLine@reddit

They’re a secular organisation.
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MrStilton@reddit

They require their members to believe in "a higher power". So, that prevents atheists from joining. It might also prevent members of polytheistic religions from joining. E.g. can Hindus be masons?
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LloydPickering@reddit

Hindus can. You need to believe in 'a supreme being' not 'only one supreme being'. I have personally sat in a lodge with Hindus (it helps I was in India at the time).
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Telegramsam_mainman@reddit

That requires a belief in a higher supreme being, seen as he doesn't, then he can't.
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flashbastrd@reddit

They’re having a recruiting crisis at the moment. Most of their members are getting on in age and young people don’t want to join anymore. You used to have to be invited, but now you can literally apply to join on their website. They have lodges all over the world, some are really impressive buildings. The Grand Lodge in London has been open to the public for about 5 years now and really worth a visit
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External-Praline-451@reddit

It's funny we were just talking about the masons today in my house. We knew a guy who was such an atypical mason, it totally shocked me when I found out. At the time, he was in his late 20s, a trendy musician and all-round interesting and adventurous chap. He was proper into it, though.
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x78965@reddit

We do count all sorts of people amongst our brethren, people that you would otherwise never get to interact with. It's one of the things that makes it so interesting.
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Massive-Machine4049@reddit

Coreect
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Curiousinsomeways@reddit

Membership organisations are struggling. Odd really, in an era of more and more atomisation and disconnection from other people, millions sit at home.
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Deman75@reddit

That’s exactly the problem. People are at home engaging with screens, instead of seeking out real-life ways to engage other people in the community.
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Deman75@reddit

>The Grand Lodge in London has been open to the public for about 5 years now and really worth a visit A lot longer than that, actually, they just started promoting them more around that time.
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constructuscorp@reddit

Everyone I know who's been recruited has said no. I visited a Lodge fairly recently and it was just like...a few old guys rambling about how they're all super old and their members keep dying off.
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DoctorOctagonapus@reddit

My grandpa was a Mason, he told me once inviting members was against their rules. A Mason has to want to join rather than be recruited.
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Blue_Frog_766@reddit

Do they still reject Roman Catholics?
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

You’ve got it the wrong way round; it’s the Catholic Church that prohibits membership - because they don’t agree with our stance that we don’t care if you’re Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, etc - just that you believe in a Supreme Being. They don’t like that we accept members from all faiths. We’ve don’t have a problem with Catholics - the Philippines for example is full of Catholic Freemasons.
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Blue_Frog_766@reddit

You are wrong; that was not how it played out. You weren't there, plain and simple.
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

But you know how exactly? You’re not a member so you have no idea what our stance is 🤷‍♂️
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Blue_Frog_766@reddit

Lmao how do you think I know? 🙄
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

Go on then tell me …
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CaptainSlappy357@reddit

No, and they never have. Masons have no issues with Catholics; it’s the Catholics who have issues with Masons.
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Blue_Frog_766@reddit

My dad was rejected for being a Roman Catholic, years ago.
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flashbastrd@reddit

Odd because the Masons were originally formed by literal masons who built the cathedrals of Europe. So, being directly employed by the Pope, im surprised they had issues. But maybe it was because they were a separate organisation which the Pope had no control over.
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tefster@reddit

Its worth booking a free tour of Grand Lodge as the guides will show you a bit more of it and explain a lot of the less obvious details. I've been there many times as I've used it for location filming in the past, its one of the most impressive buildings in London.
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flashbastrd@reddit

I ended up there by chance one day when I was giving blood and they had set up within the grand lodge. I decided to have a wonder around afterwards and went in a lot of different rooms, all totally empty. It was only on my way out that someone saw me and said I wasn’t meant to be wandering around and escorted me out lol
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AmpleApple9@reddit

You’ve been able to apply for decades. You still have to be proposed and seconded by current members, but they have specific events for those interested who don’t personally know anyone, to get to know current Masons
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weregonnamakit@reddit (OP)

Thanks for that, didnt know it was open to the public. Will definitely check it out
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Massive-Machine4049@reddit

Oh dear so many incorrect facts and speculation. This the problem sadly and why freemasons get a bad reputation.
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LloydPickering@reddit

I'm a Freemason. There's something like 190,000 Mason's in England and Wales under the United Grand Lodge of England (UGLE) There are also Grand lodges for Scotland and Ireland and also two Grand lodges for women so I'm not sure what the total number would be in the UK. Each Grand Lodge has its own requirements but to join UGLE you have to be 18, believe in some form of supreme being (we don't mind what it is so long as you aren't an atheist), are of good character, and want to join to make yourself a better person - not for material gain (which you won't get by joining anyway). If you don't know any Masons then you can go on the UGLE website, fill out a form and you should get routed to the correct Province for your location where a Provincial Membership representative will reach out to you. https://www.ugle.org.uk/become-freemason
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BeGoodJohnSpartan@reddit

Sounding like Scientology here
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LloydPickering@reddit

We're a fraternity, not a religion (or cult).
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MrStilton@reddit

> believe in some form of supreme being (we don't mind what it is so long as you aren't an atheist), Out of curiosity, what's the logic behind this rule? I've seen plenty of discussion elsewhere in this thread about this rule and how it's applied, but none about *why* it exists. Given the Freemasons are struggling to attract new members, have they given any consideration to scrapping that rule? Or, would it be seen as being too much of a deviation from what Freemasonry has been about historically?
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Deman75@reddit

On the Continent (and elsewhere), some jurisdictions have Lodges that permit atheists, but we don’t allow them intermingle with the majority of jurisdictions that prohibit atheists from joining. I think France is the only country where a jurisdiction that allows its Lodges to initiate atheists is larger/more popular than the “regular” one that doesn’t.
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

The logic is that a belief implies that there is something or someone greater than the individual to whom you are answerable to, and that you look to for support when things get really tough (and I don’t mean family).
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GoldenArchmage@reddit

All regular jurisdictions around the world have that rule. If we (in England and Wales) were to scrap it unilaterally that would mean no more trips to lodges overseas, or indeed Ireland or Scotland as we wouldn't be following what are known as the 'ancient landmarks' any longer. The belief in a higher power is one of those things that ties Freemasons together internationally.
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LloydPickering@reddit

The official view is that is is a fundamental basis on which to build the moral lessons which we teach. I somewhat agree with that viewpoint, but not entirely. I think the lessons and teaching we have still make sense to atheists even if they do lose a bit of impact. I think (and this is my personal view) it's more a historical and masonic-legal thing that can't easily change. There is no overall Grand Lodge of the world. Instead there are a series of independent grand lodges over different territories, typically a country or state. They each 'recognise' each other based on whether they all agree on the same fundamental rules. Recognition means the members can visit each other when in their territories so when I'm in the US I can visit their lodges. It's an important part of freemasonry. You can read up on UGLEs view on the 'Basic Principles for Grand Lodge Recognition' here in the book of constitutions [https://www.ugle.org.uk/sites/default/files/media/file/book-of-constitutions-craft-rules-nov-2025.pdf](https://www.ugle.org.uk/sites/default/files/media/file/book-of-constitutions-craft-rules-nov-2025.pdf) You can see number 2 is: 'That a belief in the G.A.O.T.U. and His revealed will shall be an essential qualification for membership.' GAOTU is Great Architect of the Universe and refers to whatever god someone believes in - it's a convenient non-specific label for the supreme being basically. Most Grand Lodges in recognition with UGLE have similar rules, mainly because UGLE was the original first grand lodge and things kinda sprung up from there once lodges started organising. If UGLE was to remove the requirement for a belief in a supreme being, then it would instantly fail the recognition test with all the Grand Lodges who currently recognise it. In essence it would be excommunicating itself from the other Grand Lodges. If every GL decided to do this at the same time, then that would work, but there is a first mover disadvantage that whoever does this effectively gets ostracised. Similar with the whole women thing (rule 4). For over 100 years there has been Grand Lodges for women, but the two won't formally recognise each other any time soon.
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sbs1138@reddit

Would you recommend it?
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The_Incredible_b3ard@reddit

Not the OP, but also a Mason. I'd recommend someone looking into it if it interests them. You'll meet a wide range of people, from millionaires to window cleaners. It's very charty/fundraising focused. There is a time commitment, especially if you wanted to do one of the many roles available in the lodge.
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Plus-Desk-737@reddit

What degree are you?
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LloydPickering@reddit

Not the OP to this response, but the OP of the original response. The question doesn't mean as much as you think it might. Every new member that joins goes through 3 degree ceremonies (this can take place at 3 consecutive meetings which might be as little as 3 months). They are then a Master Mason. This is the 'highest' degree in Freemasonry - however, there are other organisations called companion orders in the UK you can optionally join which accept only Master Masons as members. In the US one of the most common ones is the Scottish Rite which has a system of degrees from 4-33, but while getting to 32nd degree is just a matter of turning up for long enough, the 33rd degree is an honourary degree conferred based on your involvement in the organisation. Note the US also has other degrees and collections of degrees you can do such as the York rite Which has another 10 degrees I think. We don't have the Scottish Rite in the UK as it's primarily a US thing. Our equivalent is called the Rose Croix (formally the Ancient and Accepted Rite) and it is the 18th degree from the Scottish Rite, the earlier degrees being given in name only (so you don't actually go through the ceremonies). When you become Master of your Rose Croix Lodge I think you undertake the 30th degree, and as a Provincial or Grand Officer equivalent the higher degrees are honourific based only. In the UK we have many many other companion orders as can be seen here (and this is not exclusive as anyone can create their own companion order) [https://www.surreycompanionorders.com/images/Companion%20Orders.jpg](https://www.surreycompanionorders.com/images/Companion%20Orders.jpg) These degrees are not numbered and are not superior to others (other than some have pre-requisites to join). Each of these companion orders has their own hierarchy of leadership so you might be a Grand or Provincial Officer in one, and be the lowest new member in a different order. So for me personally, in addition to being a Master Mason (and a Past Master) I hold very senior acting rank in my Province (ProvJGW, the 2nd highest non-exec role), In terms of companion orders I am also a member of the Royal Arch where I am a Past Master, I am a member of Athelstan where I hold middling past Provincial rank, Knights Templar/Malta where I am not yet Master of my Lodge (but should be in 13 months time) and Mark Master Mason where I am a new member having only joined in October and don't even hold office within the lodge. Whenever I hear anyone say 'but youre just not high enough to know what really goes on' I always laugh on the inside as it just shows how little they know about Freemasonry that they are actually referring to a degree system in organisation that is an optional extra in America, and not even that common in the UK, where we have the world's three oldest Grand Lodges.
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blahehblah@reddit

What does being a member of these companion lodges actually bring you? More social aspects? I'm imagining it like being in 6 different rugby teams - all pretty similar but now you have all the trainings, matches, socials and responsibilities for each
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Deman75@reddit

More like 1-2 rubgy teams, a gym membership, a running club, and a rugby-watching club. Different activities related to the core idea.
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LloydPickering@reddit

I've heard it joked that the companion orders are for those who didn't understand the teachings of the main three degrees! :) Joining different lodges is like being in different rugby teams, but joining companion orders is like joining a rugby team, a football team, a darts team etc... All sports, but different games. Each companion order has different ceremonies. While the main three degrees are based on stories around the construction of king solomon's temple the companion orders aren't necessarily about that. The mark teaches about diversity and inclusion with a story that extends on the story in the first three degrees. The royal arch is set at the construction of the second temple at jerusalem when the jews return from babylon Athelstan is set during the Anglo Saxon time of King Athelstan when he ordered crafts-guilds to assemble at york as he wanted to formalise rules of conduct for the guilds Knights Templar is based on a crusade era pilgramage to Jerusalem and Knight of Malta the Hospitallers' journey from Jerusalem to Rhodes. Each of these settings in place and time are used as a vehicle to symbolically explore morality in a dramatic form... some people, myself included just enjoy taking part in ceremonial story telling
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Deman75@reddit

>but while getting to 32nd degree is just a matter of turning up for long enough, Sometimes as little as one day. >the 33rd degree is an honourary degree conferred based on your involvement in the organisation. It is an honour, but not an honourary degree. Think more *summa cum laude* rather than “honourary doctorate.”
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

>In the US one of the most common ones is the Scottish Rite which has a system of degrees from 4-33, but while getting to 32nd degree *is just a matter of turning up for long enough,* Ie. One day.
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LloydPickering@reddit

good point! some states do one day 'zero to hero' degree conferrals where you can go from Master Mason to Scottish Rite 32nd degree in a single day.
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kieronj6241@reddit

In the UK there are only 3 recognised degrees and nobody talks about them anyway. (Some might say 4, but I say 3.) It’s Americans who wet themselves over what/how high a degree they are.
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LloydPickering@reddit

I would, with caveats. For info I joined in my mid 20s and I am 41 now. Beyond the moral teachings and the joy of being a part of an organisation with such a cool history, as a slight introvert I have found that it has vastly improved my ability to small talk with strangers, given me confidence in public speaking and performing and given me literally hundreds of friends (maybe as many as a thousand people I now know through freemasonry) though obviously only a few are REALLY close friends. I travel abroad for work and when I have visited lodges in the US, India, HK and Scotland I have always been really well looked after and I feel I have a support network in pretty much any place western civilisation has touched. When you join freemasonry you join a lodge. Your experience will only be as good as that lodge. Because masonry has had declining numbers for decades (though numbers are levelling off and in some places actually growing slightly) we tend to have an aging demographic and not all lodges are equal. Some are growing rapidly and feel very vibrant, others barely have enough members to fill all the office positions within the lodge. Joining a lodge that is struggling will probably result in a rockier road for a new member. In some sense its easy to get on the officer list and work your way through to become master of the lodge, but, you will probably be pressured in to joining the officer list before you feel ready to do so. If you did join from an internet query you should be funnelled towards a lodge which suits your needs. For example there are special interest lodges. In my province there are school/university lodges, lodges based on professions (a farmers lodge, a musicians lodge, former military/service personnel) and lodges for hobbies/interests (rugby, fishing, craft beer) as well as general lodges based on the local community. In terms of costs/time: Time: Lodges meet between 4 and 12 times per year on a recurring basis. Normally something like the 1st monday of a month, or the 3rd thursday etc. You want to find a schedule that works for you. If you join the officers to take part in the ceremonies then typically there is a practice session before the lodge too, so you can effectively double the number of evenings out. You can give apologies if you can't attend and you are encouraged to put family and work first, but on the flip side, it causes problems if someone takes on an office and then never turns up. Cost: Prices vary. I'm up in Durham and most lodge subs up here are £150-200/year with a joining fee of around £130. We typically have a meal after every meeting and prices vary but in my province its prob the cheapest 2-4 course meal you've ever had. Typically £12-18 plus drinks (either alcohol or soft drinks cost). In London those prices are substantially higher, I believe 50-60/meal as they tend to dine at restaurants. There is an expectation of charitable giving. Typically a collection in the lodge (in my province most put in £1), and a raffle (most pay £5 or £10). Also general donations to the masonic charity when provinces are with 'festival' years. Typically £10/month is normal but you give what you can afford. You also need to own appropriate dress for the lodge either a plain black suit or a black dinner jacket is common, and you need to buy your own apron when you go through your Master Mason degree. These are around £40 from online shops, but often people will have an old one they will be happy to give away if you don't mind one with a bit of a patina on it :P
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Majestic_Carrot9122@reddit

I joined at 21 as my dad was a member and by 27 I was in the chair of my lodge , I have to agree that it massively improved my social confidence around all kinds of people and certainly made me more outgoing. Sadly my dad and I had a massive falling out and at the same time the lodge folded due to an aging membership when I was about 38 and I never joined a new one but I still have fond memories of my time in St Oswin 2327 on Tyneside. I actually performed the 1st degree for my partners dad which was a bit of an experience
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LloydPickering@reddit

Sorry to hear that. If you ever decide you fancy coming back, Freemasonry will be there waiting for you. I can happily put you in contact with some good contacts in Northumberland as I'm from just across the water in Durham. You'd be most welcome on our side of the river too btw. Somewhere like Jarrow might be a bit easier than risk running into your dad if he joined another lodge. Lovely Egyptian themed lodge room in Jarrow too [https://www.tiktok.com/@gavinrowell819/video/7158945482486615302](https://www.tiktok.com/@gavinrowell819/video/7158945482486615302)
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Majestic_Carrot9122@reddit

Thank you for your kind offer but to be quite honest I’ve got so much on my plate these days that I don’t have the free time to dedicate to the craft, namely a time hungry job and an autistic teenager. I know potentially it could be only one night a month but I know I’d end up on the ladder again and if I wasn’t able to dedicate myself to learning the ritual thoroughly and perform at my best it would become extremely frustrating.
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sbs1138@reddit

This is a really detailed reply, thank you so much.
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LloydPickering@reddit

No problems. Check out [https://www.reddit.com/r/freemasonry/](https://www.reddit.com/r/freemasonry/) (which has a slight US focus) for more info, or drop me a PM if you have any more questions
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Atompunk78@reddit

Not OP, but yeah! It’s great
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Hyperaeon@reddit

Can you be an anti-theist? Essentially believe that god is real but evil. Also can you also be a gnostic? Similar but not quite the same. Also why aren't atheists allowed to be free masons? Also in your experience do you have a larger amount of engineers in freemasonry than in the general population?
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LloydPickering@reddit

Interesting questions, to which the answer to many of them are - it depends. When you join you are asked to confirm a 'belief in a supreme being', but because we accept men (and the women's Grand Lodges, women) of all faiths, we don't interrogate you on your belief system. If you answer 'Yes' to the question, then that's all good for us. Having said that, you have to put it in it's context. Freemasonry was formed at a time when there was a big divide in religion (particularly between Catholic and Protestant) and religious tolerance wasn't exactly very common. The idea was to create a fraternity that brought people together no matter which side of the divide they were on, but everyone at the time basically agreed there was a god of some sort, but the manner in which you follow your god's teachings and practice your faith was potentially different. On this basis we say non-religion specific prayers, we teach that you should follow whatever your religion says about the duties you owe to god, but we then turn around and focus pretty much exclusively on the moral duties you have as a citizen of the world, and a member of your local community. We use the stories about the construction of King Solomon's Temple from the Old Testament as a way to set the scene for a series of dramatical plays with lots of symbolism to teach every new member morality and in essence we are each symbolically building and improving ourselves as a temple. From this you can see the setup wouldn't exclude an anti-theist directly, but it would be something they wouldn't be interested in joining. You can also see why it doesn't make sense for an atheist. All our teachings start from the point of - follow your religion, and after that, here are the additional duties you owe to mankind and yourself, and how you can grow and improve yourself through essentially a neoclassical morality lens. You can also see that actually gnosticism would be compatible and actually fits rather well. One of the somewhat correct allegations put to us is we are essentially a gnostic organisation (though we don't talk about a demiurge). As to whether we have a larger amount of engineers than general society, i'm not sure. I have a background in software engineering and technology professionals do seem slightly overrepresented. I would say that generally regardless of class people tend to be fairly well educated, or at least interested in knowledge even if they (particularly the older generation) haven't had a formal post-secondary education.
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

Good description.
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

A slight modification imo regarding agnostic .. an agnostic *thiest* yes, but straight agnostic might be debatable. The difference being that the former believes in a Supreme Being, but states that it can’t be proved one way or the other; the latter doesn’t necessarily have the belief.
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Mr_Garibaldy@reddit

Slightly more to the point version of your answer - no, but you can lie about it.
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LloydPickering@reddit

PS we have a subreddit. Slightly more of a US focus, but plenty of brits there too: [https://www.reddit.com/r/freemasonry/](https://www.reddit.com/r/freemasonry/)
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InformationNew66@reddit

You wouldn't get material gain?? I thought that was the point of freemasons.
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

Actually quite the contrary; it’s *costs* to be a member - both in time and financially, as we have regular collections at meetings in aid of charity - and all the money we give to charities every year comes out of our own pockets - we don’t raise money from the general public. Freemasonry is one of the biggest contributors to charities in England and Wales, donating thousands of pounds every year.
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LloydPickering@reddit

Lots of people \*think\* that's the point, but it isn't. You will gain in terms of confidence, public speaking, a large friendship group, performing and memorising plays/ceremonies. You won't gain monetarily, or at least that would be incidental. If I need to fix a hole in my roof, and I happen to know a roofer from one of my lodges then I'm obviously going to ask him for a quote and trust he'd do a decent job as I already know him. He might even give me mates rates if I know him well enough, but neither of us would have joined specifically to be part of a 300 year old version of checkatrade. Working in management in technology I certainly won't get a financial benefit out of joining, or get out of speeding tickets for example.
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DanielH1979@reddit

My former neighbour ran the local chapter/branch... I think its more of a social and charity thing now, though he did say it costs him quite a lot of money to be a part of it
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GoldenArchmage@reddit

Well it depends what you mean by a lot of money - if I confined my activity to my 'mother' lodge (the one I did my degrees in) my dues, meals and regalia would come to about £450 a year, and that's in London where it's a lot more expensive. If I was a Mason in Yorkshire you're talking more like £250 a year. Either way, it's a lot cheaper than golf as a hobby, to take one example.
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DanielH1979@reddit

In my head it was a 4-digit number... but I won't say what I thought it was as tbh I'm not certain if I remember correctly
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TheNecroFrog@reddit

Yorkshire Mason here (POYWR specifically), I will it was £250 a year! My lodge subs are more than that alone, not including dining, raffle prizes, raffle tickets, and alms.
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GiantBabiesHead@reddit

Freemason here! Still definitely a thing but numbers are slightly heading downwards, mainly due to it catering more to older people with less younger people joining. There is a bit of a push at the moment around universities etc to get younger crowds involved. It’s predominantly a social thing with a strong charity element. Some people are out doing Masonic type gatherings most nights of the week, some (like me) once or twice a month. For a lot of people it’s a good way to meet people and make friends.
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weregonnamakit@reddit (OP)

Thanks for this. Are they accepting people from any profession? I always read in the early days it was judges, lawyers, policeman, etc
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darktourist92@reddit

Yes, I am one and it is really just a social club where you meet a bunch of old boys, eat a meal and give some money to charity.
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uzer5678765@reddit

I’m interested and intrigued. What would yearly costs for donations be? Are you expected to be donating hundreds to charity ?
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

There’s a moment in the ceremony when you join when the importance of charity, and of helping those less fortunate than yourself is emphasised - but with the proviso stated that it’s *only to the extent of what you are able, and no more*.
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uzer5678765@reddit

Could I ask another question. I saw mention of memorising a lot of passages etc. I would be awful at this…how tough are all the things to memorise
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

Not especially; yes there’s a fair bit to learn once you get to the master’s chair, but given that’s probably 6-8 years down the road, and if you pay attention it seeps in .. a bit like hearing the same song over and over, so that by the time you need it, it’s more a ‘revision’ rather than learning anew.
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uzer5678765@reddit

I got it. Thanks very much for your time
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uzer5678765@reddit

Oh I understand. I could easily spare a hundred or so every couple weeks. I just don’t want to over-reach
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

That significantly more than I can!
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repressed-dad@reddit

My membership is £210 per year 5 meeting festive boards (dining) is about £135 per year. Not mandatory but def part of the fun Normally give £5-10 per festive board to charity stuff So £400-420. There’s loads of events / dining you can go to if you want but there is no pressure.
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uzer5678765@reddit

Sounds ideal! Thank you
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darktourist92@reddit

You pay your ‘dues’ monthly or yearly which varies from lodge to lodge and pays for the upkeep of the lodge and any leftover typically goes to charity in my experiences. Mine works out to be just under £20 per month. In terms of donations you can give whatever you want/can afford, there’s no pressure. I tend to give £10 each meeting, of which my lodge has six per year. Some of the other guys give more, others only give a quid or two.
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uzer5678765@reddit

Great to know. Thank you
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TheNecroFrog@reddit

It’s whatever you can reasonably afford, even if that’s nothing. You’re not expected to give it it’s a detriment to yourself or your connections.
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Palestine_Achtung@reddit

I recommend Stephen Knight's 'The Brotherhood' about the organisation and its rancid members.
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

Ah Stephen Knight. Yeah, what an authority 🤦‍♂️
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Palestine_Achtung@reddit

Is that why your brethren had him killed.. ?
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

Idiot. Knight died from a brain tumor in July 1985. 🤦‍♂️
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AskUK-ModTeam@reddit

Don't be a dick to each other, or other subreddits, places, or people. Don't be a dick to each other, or other subreddits, places, or people. AskUK contains a variety of ages, experiences, and backgrounds - consider not everyone is operating on the same level or background as you. Listen to others before you respond, and be courteous when doing so.
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Palestine_Achtung@reddit

His medical 'carers' were all inbred masons who created the false diagnosis
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Bruno241221@reddit

Sold my house last year. The fella who was buying gave me the secret handshake but I had no clue what it was 😂😂
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Gloomy-Commission296@reddit

Freemason here. Speaking from perspective of my lodge and province, I would say Freemasonry is thriving. We’re fortunate to have a university scheme in my lodge and as a result, we attract a lot of students. Happy to answer any further questions.
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weregonnamakit@reddit (OP)

Are there any prerequisites for joining?
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Gloomy-Commission296@reddit

The main two are you have to believe in a supreme being. In the UK you’re not asked why that supreme being is - but they are much more religious focused in the US. Plus, you cannot have a criminal record.
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jonewer@reddit

Why the requirement to believe in a supreme being?
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Gloomy-Commission296@reddit

It basically provides a moral foundation for when we’re taking oaths and obligations. We never refer to ‘God’. Instead, we refer to the ‘Great Architect of The Universe’.
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Airurando-jin@reddit

Do you feel that that will ever change given that atheism has moderately grown. Atheism doesn’t require a belief in a higher being, or creator in order to have a moral foundation 
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Gloomy-Commission296@reddit

That’s an excellent point, and I completely agree. To be honest, I’d describe myself as agnostic. My belief in a higher power isn’t rooted in traditional religion, but rather in the idea that there’s something greater out there - perhaps far beyond our own galaxy. I don’t believe Freemasonry will change significantly, as the rituals and ceremonies we observe today are virtually the same as they were in 1717 when it all began. In practice - certainly within UK Freemasonry -if you affirm belief in a supreme being, that’s generally all that’s required, with no further questions asked.
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TheNecroFrog@reddit

It’s not for me to define your views, but that sounds more like deism than agnosticism.
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Death_Binge@reddit

What are the benefits of becoming a Freemason?
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Gloomy-Commission296@reddit

For me personally, there are two main benefits: 1. Improved public speaking skills. In my day job, I do a lot of public speaking, and learning ritual and delivering it from memory in front of a room full of people has taken my confidence and ability to speak in public to another level. 2. The people you meet and the conversations you have. For example, in my lodge, there’s an old boy who’s a legend of the SAS. He speaks five languages and is mentioned in several books. Sitting with him at a Festive Board (the Masonic term for the dinner after a meeting) and hearing his stories is something truly special. And it’s not just him - Freemasonry brings together people from all walks of life, each with their own fascinating story to tell.
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

Totally agree. Before I joined, asking me to speak in public *as myself* was a no-no - quite happy to do AmDram, but that was it. Before I knew it I was able to stand and speak (I found myself always being asked to reply to toasts). Similarly the people .. everything from a dustman to a Lord (he was a veterinarian). We’ve two members in particular; one was on HMS Endurance at the time of the Falklands (google the ship), and later on HMS Britannia. The other was 2IC on one of our nuclear subs (retired as a Commodore - one star admiral to US readers). The stories they’ve told us …! One in particular when something went wrong and the sub started sinking and the sound of the hull creaking… scary!
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YetAnotherInterneter@reddit

A relative of mine has recently joined and they have been shouting about it non-stop. We all make light fun of them as “isn’t it is supposed to be a *secret* society?” Initially we were sceptical and a little worried for our relative. They keep trying to invite us to “coffee mornings” and it was starting to sound a little bit cult-ish or like a pyramid scheme in the way they are so desperate to recruit others. But it does seem to bring them joy and so far we haven’t seen it cause any harm.
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MGBGTLE@reddit

It's not a secret society, it's a society with secrets.
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kieronj6241@reddit

Even that phrase is frowned upon if you use it now.
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TheNecroFrog@reddit

Ehhh, I’ve seen multiple public comms from Grand Lodge use that phrase, for example CraftCast.
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YetAnotherInterneter@reddit

Yeah that is the exact phrase my relative responds with
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NGeoTeacher@reddit

Alright Dan Brown.
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JimmyBallocks@reddit

My dad was in the masons. When my first kid was born we were invited to some masonic gathering weekend because it was my dad's turn to be the chief wizard of his local chapter or whatever, and this was a huge personal honour for him that we absolutely had to attend as it was absolutely THE DONE THING and not to attend would be a terrible slight. So we went. And were trapped for a weekend in the big boys' super secret bullshit and racism club. It was the most unbearable weekend of my life. Surrounded by bigoted gammons who all looked and dressed like Al Murray's pub landlord, all boasting about how much money they gave to charities and how it was important for them to raise money for charity as the government didn't help people that needed help, but it was important to help the right charities you see. Certainly not Oxfam or any of that nonsense. We look after our own you see. But not everyone of course. None of those sponging single mothers. Or "them". We all know who "they" are don't we. But you can't say anything these days can you. The charity auction that became the most obnixious display of I'm-richer-than-you performative posturing I have ever seen. At one point a black man entered the function room and the entire place quite literally fell silent. The palpable shock of this outrageous audacity was only lessened when he spoke to somebody in the room and there was a handshake (yeah I know) and a smile, and it turned out he was a mason in another chapter and this person had invited him, and a ripple visibly passed through the room of people telling each other this. So he was an acceptable black man, which was fine. Two people at two different points in the weekend asked me in roundabout terms if I would be interested in joining. While my brain was thinking absolutely very fuck off you must be fucking joking, my mouth managed to smile politely and say no thank you I'm not looking to take on any additional commitments with a new born child. This was a long time ago now and I'm sure not every chapter is like this. But at least one was.
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Inevitable-Debt4312@reddit

I think lodges vary quite a bit. My father was a mason here in Yorkshire and it was all very pleasant and friendly, and a bit like a senior Round Table club plus a bit of ritual, but I gather some are much more formal. Certainly some masons make it their life (like I do archaeology!).
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TheNecroFrog@reddit

> Freemasonry has degrees that go all the way up to the 33rd (if its a Scottish Rites Lodge) Craft Freemasonry only has 3 Degrees. There is an appendant body Freemasons can join that’s called the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, more commonly referred to as Rose Croix but these are not Lodges. > Your level of initiation will imply what you’re privy too There aren’t levels of initiation. The only things that someone isn’t privy too will be the contents of the ceremonies which they haven’t yet undertaken and some of the inner workings of the Lodge, this typicallly sits with past-masters. > Diary of Amolea That’s nonsense. > Close relationships to the Shriners Not withstanding the fact that the Shrine doesn’t really exist over here, the Shrine is a an appendant body. > Order of the Oddfellows Have nothing to do with us, though they were inspired by Freemasonry.
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AlexSumnerAuthor@reddit

>>Close relationships to the Shriners >Not withstanding the fact that the Shrine doesn’t really exist over here, the Shrine is a an appendant body. Before the Lockdown there was at least one Shrine working in England: a Brother I knew got a charter and all the necessary permissions from the Shriners in the US to bring it over here. Don't know what the situation with it is now, though.
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HughWattmate9001@reddit

Basically they let anyone in now, the local one to me doesn't advertise its a thing or anything but everyone knows where it is or could with a simple search. It's a posh club these days. I would say a gentleman's club. But they allow woman now although I doubt many if any are in the local one.
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coolgranpa573@reddit

I almost joined there is a good book Called Darkness visible that gives you a good insight . I didnt feel it was for me. I am a bit of a solitary type . It can be very good for the people in it and they also do a lot of Charitable work . They will help families in the organisation in difficulties . i knew quite a few through work one of them said its the best Job Club in the world I do know they help each other with education and preparation but i am not aware of anything dodgy. They helped me and i wasnt a member so a positive experience. You will find a lodge in most Towns and villages
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CharlieH_@reddit

Aren’t they the charitable donor to the London Air Ambulance and London Fire Brigade?
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ButterflyRoyal3292@reddit

Yes its still a thing. Some of the biggest wankers I've met are free masons.
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padro789@reddit

Pure scumbags tbh unfortunately I work in Falkirk and the minging buildings are still up. These guys are full of hatred total wanks
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Klutzy-Willow-8965@reddit

Yes, I know of a few if them in my area. They have tried twice to recruit me. They raise a good bit for charity but there is definitely deals that are done in the background
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Haunting-Reward4580@reddit

My uncles a mason, it's just the usual old-boys club and business networking.
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kickassjay@reddit

My ex’s dad was a free mason. Sounded more like a charity thing with a lot of social gatherings. I think he did learn the handshake but he always downplayed it as he did find it all a bit silly but you get real good connections with it
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zen_1991@reddit

Loads of lodges in SW London.
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CarpeCyprinidae@reddit

I imagine they have a difficulty because I'm told that as part of the promises, declarations and oaths a new mason must give, they must confirm that they believe in God? That alone restricts their potential future membership quite a bit nowadays.
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Inner-Device-4530@reddit

Nope. Have a belief in a higher power is the requirement.
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CarpeCyprinidae@reddit

Is that not the same thing? Either way you term it, it's a minority position in modern western life
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Inner-Device-4530@reddit

Not quite. Yes it could mean you are a church attending Christian, it also covers all other religions, those that attend and those who don't attend but still think there may be a god, non traditional religions such as wicca and paganism, and even those that accept that nature is a higher power than man.  The freemasons ask that you hold within you a belief that there is a higher power, they do not ask you what that is, how you perceive it or how you justify it. If you truly believed that spurs were a higher power, that would be enough. Got much on Thursday? the rest of us are celebrating Christmas. Must be odd to not celebrate...
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CarpeCyprinidae@reddit

On Thursday i celebrate the turning of the equinox, as Europeans have done every December since before there were written words to record it. i will celebrate it with lights, feasting and gifts as is traditional. I believe in the sun and gravity, I don't consider either a higher power, just a natural one. i've actually had colleagues over the years occasionally mention that they were part of an association of skilled men who work and that I might be interested in learning more about them. i've always politely declined as I figure if you're going to make oaths to be bound by, you should be sure they are something you can hold to honestly.
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Cirias@reddit

Who controls the British crown? Who keeps the metric system down? We do, we do Who keeps Atlantis off the maps? Who keeps the Martians under wraps? We do, we do Who holds back the electric car? Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star? We do, we do Who robs cavefish of their sight? Who rigs every Oscar night? We do, we do
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

🙇‍♂️ another Simpsons reference. Grow up.
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Atompunk78@reddit

I’m a mason! Is it easy to get into in the modern day? Absolutely you literally enter your stuff on the website I recommend it, it’s really nice for community and charity. It’s the biggest non-government charity in the country too
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weregonnamakit@reddit (OP)

Sounds like you are having fun :) is there any interactions with the Freemason clubs abroad?
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

Had to visit the US on business a few number of years ago; got treated like a long lost son. Only ate in the hotel the night I arrived .. dined at their expense every other night. Made donations to their charity collections by way of thanks.
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TheNecroFrog@reddit

Yes - within Masonry we have a concept of Recognition that enables inter-visitation with Lodges within other Grand Lodges. For example I’m a Mason under the United Grand Lodge of England and regularly visit the Grand Lodge of Scotland.
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Atompunk78@reddit

I haven’t, I’ve only been a mason for a year, but I’m looking forward to giving it a go when I’m next abroad :)
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LittleBonsaiTree@reddit

Yeah. It used to be underground but now people boast about it on Facebook
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bite_my_shiny_metal@reddit

It only went underground during WW2 when Hitler made them targets. The secrecy continued after that, but nothing about it is ‘underground’ now 👍🏼
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

And prior to WW2 there were regular public processions in full regalia.
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Tanto207064@reddit

What do they actually do though ? Is it a religious thing ?
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

Religious only insofar as we have prayers and you have to have a belief in a Supreme Being as a requirement for membership.
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Taiwaneil@reddit

You always seem to have to dip into your wallet for something or other too.
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SnooHabits8484@reddit

They have big dinners and do each other favours.
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TheNecroFrog@reddit

100% correct on the big dinners, not so correct on the favours part 😁
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ComprehensiveCode805@reddit

About 20 years ago I knew a guy who was asked to join, but had to turn it down because he was a Catholic. Apparently you couldn't be both? I wonder if this is still a thing?
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Inner-Device-4530@reddit

Yep, there is still a papul bull regarding being a Freemason if your catholic. 
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Barneyabz@reddit

I believe that's changed, I'm Catholic and I was invited to join 16 years ago. I didn't as I had too many other commitments on, but the offer was there...
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Inner-Device-4530@reddit

Sadly not https://www.ncregister.com/cna/bishop-who-participated-in-freemasonry-event-affirms-its-incompatibility-with-catholicism  however the freemasons have no issue with the Catholic Church 
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

If we go back further, there was a Canon and Freemason who was on the Pope’s ‘retinue’.
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puddlemagnet@reddit

I don’t think the masons mind, it’s the Catholic Church that does
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forestvibe@reddit

Yeah I know a Catholic guy in his 30s and he's got a bee in his bonnet about Freemasonry. Thinks they are sinister, corrupt souls, abuse children, etc. Very odd.
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CaptainSlappy357@reddit

Well that’s a bit rich coming from a catholic, eh?
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forestvibe@reddit

He's remarkably blind to the contradictions in his own attitudes. He loves to point out others' misogyny or less-than-ideal views, but then won't lift a finger to help his wife do the chores, thinks women shouldn't be too "manly", is a snob, etc.Yeah, he's a charmer.
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bopeepsheep@reddit

Lots of lapsed Catholics in lodges, I gather, but not observant ones. It's the church that doesn't like it, not the other way around. (Quite a few masons in my wider family, apparently. I only ever hear about the charity donation paperwork, when one of them has a grumble.)
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Hyperaeon@reddit

The whole thing started because stone masons refused to build cathedrals for free by the catholic church that was essentially trying to exploit them for their skilled labour. "Free masons" It's in the name. Both organisations are enemies and have massive intelligence networks that are essentially... Well... Everywhere. But most members are just despite their ideological leanings. In it for social reasons.
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SlightlyMithed123@reddit

There is a papal bull from 1738 forbidding Catholics from being Freemasons under penalty of excommunication but no restriction from the Masons side on Catholics joining. The papal bull has been reiterated by multiple Popes with the last time being 2023 so they see to care about it.
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DaveBacon@reddit

I’m a Mason, though I haven’t been to a lodge in about 15 years. I’ve never seen it as a secret club, more like a club which had some secrets about the way it conducts itself. Though that’s all open now. I was interested in learning about it and a friend of mine at the time was a member so invited me to join. Bear in mind my experience is from a smaller rural lodge and how it operated 15 years ago. And it was a male only lodge, as most were then. I believe there are some that admit women now. I found it to be at its heart a social club that raises money for charity. They have a meeting once a month which includes a service, which isn’t religious in nature but there were some aspects that remind me of some church services I’ve been to. There is a requirement that you believe in a supreme being before you join, but that can be from whichever religion you believe in. I met quite a wide range of interesting people there from all backgrounds. You’re required to wear a black suit and tie, so you all look the same. (It looks like a collective of undertakers to be honest!) It was a fascinating experience, but I moved away and haven’t been to a lodge since. I may go back to it some day.
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

> And it was a male only lodge, as most were then. **I believe there are some that admit women now.** They don’t, but there are women’s lodges - and have been since abt 1900 .. it’s just more people have heard of them now.
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Dimac99@reddit

I used to live on a street with a lodge on it and honestly, the only time I ever saw anyone going in and out there seemed to be an evening social event. By which I mean a bit of a knees up. If they were having sober discussions about running the world, I think they had another properly secret meeting place for it. 🤭
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

“Running the world”? 🤣 We can barely agree what the meal after the meeting is going to be!
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4to20milliamps@reddit

I'm only in my 20s, been a Mason for about a year now. Can honestly say if you're very social, like a drink, and don't mind memorising a load of scripts to read out in front of a small audience, you'll love it. I'm the youngest by about 30 years in my lodge though, full of old boys. They're desperate to recruit because they're having to recycle members that have been through the ranks and use them for beginner roles within the Lodge. They don't like doing that hence the reason for wanting more men to sign up and fill those roles.
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weregonnamakit@reddit (OP)

What do you mean by beginners roles?
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Mammoth_Slip1499@reddit

‘Beginner’ roles are those where there’s little to learn, and are basically designed to get you used to learning words, and speaking in public. The amount to learn gradually increases as you move up the offices. The ‘lowest’ is actually, once you realise, one of the most important offices, as you notify the guy outside the lodge that the lodge is open, you announce visitors, admit new members, and, in the latter case, are actually the first person to speak.
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The_Incredible_b3ard@reddit

There are a number of positions in the lodge (officers). They all play a part in running the lodge and the ceremonies. The more senior the role, the more you'll be involved in the ceremony bits.
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4to20milliamps@reddit

Correct \^\^
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StereotypicalAussie@reddit

You can't find many young people who aren't atheists
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4to20milliamps@reddit

My answer to their question about believing in a higher power was: Everything always works out for me in the end, so I believe something must be looking out for me. I am not part of any religion nor have I ever been. After that question, no mention of a higher power, a god or religion is ever mentioned again, nor is it allowed to be.
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slipfan2@reddit

That is the dodgiest rationalisation for a higher power I've ever seen
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_DoubleBubbler_@reddit

I was invited as I was in the process of joining the Police quite some time ago. I rejected the approach for various reasons. One of the conditions mentioned at the time was that you had to believe in a religion (it didn’t matter which but you had to have a religious belief). In my opinion this may have been a requirement to ensure ones mind is impressionable, and you are willing to suspend logic and facts to believe in a well crafted narrative instead.
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fouriels@reddit

Not a mason myself and only have the most passing of interests, but i've known two friends who have been masons (one joined at the behest of the other). It seems like it's a rapidly aging organisation desperate for new members, where you spend an enormous amount of times having dinners and making speeches - these social gatherings seem to take up a substantial amount of time and effort. Part of this also seems to involve spending quite a lot of money on other masons, with the understanding that they'll pay you back in future, much like 'getting your round in'. I didn't see or hear a huge amount of this fabled 'doing each other a favour' thing, although i'm sure it's a decent place to network, and if you can network well then i'm sure you can make friends who will do favours for you anywhere you go. I can't stress enough the part about 'rapidly aging'. I had a flick through one of the magazines my mate had lying around and there were several adverts for stair lifts, dentures, that kind of thing. As far as i'm aware, neither of the aforementioned friends are in the masons anymore either - it's a 'membership for life' situation, but if you don't pay your membership dues you don't get to attend the gatherings so it's more or less a resignation until you fork up the money. I don't know if that money is backdated or if it's capped either, but neither friend has masonic debt collectors coming after them. What I can recommend is the masonic building in Holborn (London), which is open to the public and has some nice art in. Good place to spend a couple hours.
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TheNecroFrog@reddit

> Spending a lot of money on other Masons with the understanding you’ll pay them back in the future. That’s a load on nonsense, and doesn’t make any sense (why give someone money to have them pay it back in the future?). What does often happen is word of mouth recommendations. A fellow Mason is a builder and did our living room because people had to recommend him. It’s no different to what might happen between members of a Pub Darts team.
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fouriels@reddit

>why give someone money to have them pay it back in the future Well for one this is what normal people do in the world such as at Christmas, but besides that i didn't mean to imply they were literally giving each other money, but were paying for each other's meals and such, with the understanding that someone else would get the next one.
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shit_flinging_gibbon@reddit

Look up Milton Keynes. The whole town's layout has masonic references.
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First-Act3257@reddit

No, masonry is pretty labour intensive and takes up a lot of time. Considering the cost of living crisis, you have to pay for it pretty much every time.
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FrecklyGirrl@reddit

Don't forget all the practices on top of the supposedly so many meetings a year, and.the invites to fellow lodges. I'm guessing it depends on how much time and dedication you want to put into it beyond the basics. But, its lie when you are told only so many meetings...when they start to miss important events at their children's school etc, something is amiss. So they encourage family comes first?? And charity? Have you added up all the fees, meals, and regalia? Charity defo doesn't start at home. And don't get me started on health....this is purely an observation, if you wasn't a drinker before you soon will be, and don't forget to get an extender on your trousers that portly stomach soon catches up on you.
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filbert94@reddit

Family members have been Masons. Got invited to join. Sounds boring as fuck. Bunch of old men drinking in a bar. Fancy pub with a dress code.
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castle_lane@reddit

From the two masons I know and seeing a stand trying to recruit at a beer festival I went to, I think it’s going through a bit of a crisis at the moment, and a bit like Soho house - anyone can join really.
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smidgit@reddit

I just did a funeral for a former Freemason and I can confirm it’s absolutely still a thing He got a guard of honour and they all did a little hand gesture as his coffin passed. They were wearing their necklaces and everything. Gave me great amusement.
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Obvious-Water569@reddit

Big? No I don't think so. At this point it's more like a social club or enlarged prostate support group. Years ago I went to a former girlfriend's grandad's birthday party at a masonic lodge where 80% of the guests were other masons. Weird, weird crowd. Smelled like piss.
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ProlapseProvider@reddit

Nope. Anyone asking is clearly not drinking in the right clubs.
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Bounty_drillah@reddit

I don't think they go round doing the handshake anymore. From what I gather it's somewhat influential in small towns and rural areas. I think they're short of applicants these days considering the advertised. Plus they accepted one of my former colleagues and he's a proper muppet.
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weregonnamakit@reddit (OP)

What was his reason for joining if you know?
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Bounty_drillah@reddit

I didn't ask, not the kind of person you want to get roped into a conversation with.
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ChooChooBananaTrain@reddit

Just summed up free masons
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bucket_of_frogs@reddit

Every Mason I know is an absolute bellend.
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taknyos@reddit

> I don't think they go round doing the handshake thing anymore If you still want to do the Freemason handshakes you could just become Mormon... Maybe that's a niche joke.  There's actually a good few freemason buildings around, I wonder how many are still in use. I noticed the compass engraving high up on an old building a few years ago, once I noticed one I spotted quite a lot. 
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ohdeydothodontdeytho@reddit

Big enough that people applying to join the police they have to announce membership. I have known members, who taught me the handshake. And it isnt just charity, these fuckers look out for each other in nefarious ways. Do not be fooled
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Hyperaeon@reddit

People will keep on being fooled by secret societies until it is too late.
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ohdeydothodontdeytho@reddit

How do you mean?
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Hyperaeon@reddit

You have seen the state of our politicians right. Secret societies control these people. Who exist purely to facilitate their corruption and social engineering. Our civilization is going to collapse. Because we still think that voting actually matters and makes a difference. This is a YouTube channel I follow: (Wait afew second I can't double copy paste on a open window on this device and retain this page that I am typing. So I will have to use the edit feature to link it here.)
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MrStilton@reddit

If you're applying to join the Police you have to declare any and all organisations you're a member of. That's not unique to being an Mason.
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ohdeydothodontdeytho@reddit

Of course. But the masons have a long history of corruption with the uk police, from all levels of policing. Alternatively, do i think theres a shadowy organisation running and contfolling everything in the world ? No i do not. The wotld is too vast with too many differing cultures for any one group to form and work cohesively. Now, i do believe there are some very vast wealthy groups who control whatever part that corresponds to whichever piece of what pie they are interrsted in. Take the Epstein group, seemingly a diverse very wealthy group of people whose aim or pie they wanted.. raping underage girls. The same could be said for the sexually abusing part of the vatican. A large group covering up shit for decades. Their pie The cartels, drugs, controlling nations. Their pie. This stuff goes on. Call them what you will but they are powerful criminals, right enough to buy police and justice systems. A few examples of which i bekieve there are many. I may be wrong but do i believe any of these or others have plans to subvert and control hunanity with master plans. Certainly not for anyones betterment. People just want their piece of pie as big as they can make it.
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Mobile-Proof8861@reddit

I've been a member in Scotland since 1989. Back then it took about a year to get in from being proposed and seconded and submitting the application, my enquiry interview before the committee, and my First Degree. Five of us went through all.our degrees together.
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Airurando-jin@reddit

Considered it, but you have to believe in an almighty power .. and as an Atheist .. that doesn’t work. I was considered for joining the buffs though 
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Jazzlike_Quiet9941@reddit

By the fact that you'd likely never meet one, no it's not big.
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EH3G@reddit

Block across the road is one.
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ToadInTheHole7181@reddit

It used to be that you had to be a freemason to move up in the police force. Is that no longer a thing?
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Icy-Astronomer-8202@reddit

https://preview.redd.it/26k67p6s7m8g1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3eae8ef15e42991399de736fa0f1415cdd38c22c Alive and well
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Neither_Set_3048@reddit

To be fair, that episode is nearly 31 years old. Times change.
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Icy-Astronomer-8202@reddit

Tbf it was a joke post
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slipfan2@reddit

Who keeps the metric system down?
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Simba-xiv@reddit

Ok cool I get the vibe. Ive always been interested in what happens at the Freemasons. I don’t want to join it but I’d like to be a fly in the wall for a few weeks.
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pogs_rule@reddit

My dad was a mason, he was invited to join by a work colleague. They’re quite open about a lot, really I used to gentle take the piss out of him for it when I’d drop him off for his meetings. His lodge would have their meeting and then sit about having a drink and putting the world to rights. I’d compare it to scouts for grownups. I still have his badges and regalia. He enjoyed it and I’m glad he had it really. Currently now it’s more of an age thing, it tends to be an older blokes game. Younger men I know who are masons are so because their dads are or were, not always, but the ones I know are. Locally to me, more younger men join the Round Table first as a precursor to joining the masons. They do a heck of a lot for charity in my area, and are closely tied to the WI in my village. 2 weeks ago they came around with Father Christmas on a float collecting for charity. But it’s quite common in the Village for most families to have a tie one way or another to the Masons.
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perishingtardis@reddit

https://preview.redd.it/k7qmtfe0bn8g1.png?width=480&format=png&auto=webp&s=566b681bbfc40500207528f493079d61fdc39064
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WhatsThePlanPhil95@reddit

ugh I have tried and tried to understand what that is I've even googled it but it's like, I do not understand it at all
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TheNecroFrog@reddit

I’m a Mason, more than happy to explain if you have any questions?
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Hawkstreamer@reddit

Still from a Satanic root with the ultimate big secret that's revealed being that they actually serve, proclaim and worship Lucifer (the devil).
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KinkySouthAsian@reddit

Is it true they worship Lucifer?
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RichardDeBenthall@reddit

Absolutely not, it’s a secular organisation but ultimately we all must believe in a “higher power” to be initiated. We pay respects to the “Most High”, “Great Architect of the Universe” and “Grand Geomatrician of the Universe” in our meetings. I’m a Christian so I take those titles to refer explicitly to the Trinity.
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KinkySouthAsian@reddit

Oh okay. I’ll just ignore what Manly P Hall and Albert Pike have to say then.
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LloydPickering@reddit

Everything Manly P Hall wrote about Freemasonry was written before he was a Freemason, and if you think he was Luciferian you ought to read his books 'The Mystical Christ: Religion As a Personal Spiritual Experience' and 'How to Understand Your Bible'. It's very much clear that he was a Christian, albeit one who explored and studied other non-Christian traditions too. As for Pike he was a Christian too - the main bits attributed to Lucifer are entirely taken out of context. Everyone who quotes it doesn't read the bits directly before, and also it needs to be considered within the context of St Jerome's mistranslation in the Latin Vulgate bible in Isiah 14:12 (the ONLY time the name Lucifer appears in most English bibles btw) - note that Pike refers to this by mentioning 'Son of the Morning' referring to the Morning star. Finally I would note that neither Hall or Pike have anything to do with English Freemasonry, both being Americans.
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3bagsfull-Sir8282@reddit

Who determines who the most high is, how do we 100% know what or who you’re actually paying respects to, have they named him or just decided he is the great creator, many people out there and across certain online communities are sceptical and suspect that lucifer is the higher power and hes seen as the light bearer, many are linking symbolism to this, many also point to others being conspiracy theorists, many also believe the secretive nature of certain groups is direcrly related to lucifer Those who study theology & history though are making some intresting corrolations, some of these beliefs & reasoning are crossing over with gnostic type beliefs
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falkens_maze_70@reddit

Who holds back the electric car? Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star? We do  We do  
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Normal-Ear-5757@reddit

We met on the level and we parted on the square... 
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Successful_Ad_2888@reddit

Yes, check all the police mishandling cases in the UK and the failure to prosecute
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Wise-Independence487@reddit

I grew up around them, so been in and out of the lodges from a young age. Huge on charity, I remember a lot of charity events I went to. Also if you’re a child of a Freemason, there’s a grant you can apply for to give you a bit of money for uni. Was very handy to buy my books with
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occasionalrant414@reddit

I looked to join as it seemed a good way to meet people and to add a bit of structure and discipline to my life. They have been very open and answered my questions, which has been cool. I'm not overly keen on the idea of becoming a lodge master (or whatever the rank is). You work your way up each year and people take it in turns if that makes sense? It's not a big thing apparently, you just run your specific chapter in the lodge. They were explicit that they do not tolerate any silly buggers - corruption, anything illegal, favours and what not. You support your "brothers" but it's more of a friendship thing. I'm torn on the subject.
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LloydPickering@reddit

There should be no pressure for you to step on the ladder of officers. As some lodges are struggling for members they might be inclined to try and push newbies on and that's not really right. You can join, go through your three degrees then stay a Master Mason till you die of old age. We do encourage people to go through the officers as it is a good learning experience. You learn more about the ceremony, it takes on new meaning. You learn and grow yourself as each year gets a little bit more challenging and by the time you are Master of the Lodge for your year you will have grown in confidence in performing and public speaking bit by bit. If you really do struggle to memorise then you can get another experienced member to sit in as Master for the degree ceremonies so there's only a little bit for you to do specifically to formally open and close the lodge.
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imperialharambe@reddit

There are lots and lots of ‘chapters’ if you like, but many of those will consolidate in the coming years. This is arguably a good thing though, as a lodge’s success is largely determined by the quality of its members. This is why externally it can be seen as sometimes difficult to get in - lodges want to find people with common morals who will gel with existing members. Good people who feel inspired to do good. There’s a lot of misinformation by non members, even here in the comments. You don’t typically get ‘invited’ to join, more you will be asked if you want to come for some drinks first. It’s a chance to see if you like hanging out with each other. Then if you want to join, you should ask. It’s not a secret society, rather an organisation that doesn’t want to divulge to the general public some information - for example, I can say we give to charity, but its not appropriate to say how much each member gave. It’s essentially a social club with a strong charitable aspect that meets a few times a year. There is a bit of traditional ceremony in each formal meeting, then you go for a nice meal, then you go to the pub. Everyone gets something different out of it, some people like the tradition and history, others enjoy the sense of occasion, some like me who enjoy the fact you meet people outside of your normal social circles. If you want you can take additional responsibilities, someone is usually appointed to check on the old folks, someone else to coordinate charitable works etc. You are always encouraged to visit other lodges and make new friends. As people get older, they can get lonelier. This system makes that impossible, there’s always someone to look forward to seeing again. It’s why good lodges range from uni students up to centenarians.
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Commercial-Whole8184@reddit

I have recently discovered both my manager, and his manager are Masons. They were having an open conversation about ties (I thought they were talking about a golf club, as they are golfists also). I haven’t had an invitation yet…
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LloydPickering@reddit

You won't get one. You need to ask...
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redrighthand_@reddit

So you know, you don’t need an invite. You can register interest online.
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Curiousinsomeways@reddit

In fact, their aim is for people to approach them iirc.
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redrighthand_@reddit

Correct, I am one
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NGeoTeacher@reddit

My brother-in-law is a mason, as is a friend of mine. I think my BIL is the youngest in his lodge by quite some way! However, it's a big part of his life - he is very active - and I am sure in other parts of the country there are more younger people involved (he lives in a town that's got an older population). His father is a mason too, so something he got into from him. My sister is quite active as well. She's obviously not a mason, but she supports the lodge in various other ways. According to my BIL, it's still very much a big thing. They raise a lot of money for charity and they have a lot of social events together. From what my BIL has told me, it mostly involves a lot of studying/memorisation of texts, then reciting those texts in front of all the other masons, followed by lots of eating and drinking!
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benthelampy@reddit

Don't know it's a secret society
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dazedan_confused@reddit

Nah. Cost of living has gone up so much they're just called the Masons.
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DarthChimpy@reddit

It's a perfectly normal thing, just remember: "Blood for the Blood God, Skulls for the Skull Throne", and you'll be fine.
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GrumpyOldFart74@reddit

I’m in my 50s and haven’t known a single person in my entire life that I knew to be a Mason Entire possible that I’ve met hundreds and they’be just hidden it from me, but who knows?!
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dekker87@reddit

My old fella is one. Quite high up i believe. Ive been invited but not for me... Had a few people give me funny handshakes over the years whilst telling me they knew who my old man was....took me a while to realise what was goin on.
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most_crispy_owl@reddit

Can you describe the handshake?
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bite_my_shiny_metal@reddit

All on Google. Pointless to know outside of a lodge though, it’s symbolic 👍🏼
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JamesTiberious@reddit

I’m a little younger and have met three that were happy to talk about it to some degree. Probably a whole bunch more that I don’t know about.
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Physical-Move9749@reddit

Yes an they are more like diddy freak offs
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Hyperaeon@reddit

Only at the highest levels, secret to even the lower members by multiple degrees of recursion. Secret societies are never a good thing.
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CaptMelonfish@reddit

We don't know, they won't tell us.
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SnooSquirrels8126@reddit

Small potatoes compared to the fabians.
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Minute_University_98@reddit

Is called Costlots-masonry now.  Nothings free in the UK now. Damn that inflation! 
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The_Incredible_b3ard@reddit

The biggest lie in Freemasonry is the free bit 😉
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JBobSpig@reddit

Second largest charity donations in the UK only beaten by the lottery. It is and always been about charity at its heart, also getting drunk and having a good chat with other men.
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Neither_Set_3048@reddit

Numbers are dying off each year as most lodges have an average age of 70plus. Incredibly easy to get into unless there is something overtly wrong with you. Like you dress and do your hair just like Jimmy savile or you wear black face at all times.
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Orr-Man@reddit

Attach the Stone of Triumph!
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DR_95_SuperBolDor@reddit

Only to freemasons.
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3bagsfull-Sir8282@reddit

Still a big thing in most of the UK with plenty of memebers, especially further up north. While not as secretive as they once were the masonic chambers structure & leadership is on two levels, local lodge & regional lodge Then you have the three basic craft degrees these being 1- entered apprentice 2-fellowcraft 3- master mason There’s supplementary degrees like the 33rd degree or honorary degrees, these obtained through appendent masonic organizations like the ‘scottish rite’ or ‘york rite’ or the shrine. Some of their own members are unawares to certain aspects of freemasonry or the elements that many others might speak of, some no form of heirachies exist others claim very much the opposite. Have a read up on freemasons also research what the symbolism means if you want to go a bit further, they go right back in history though, alot of the beliefs are based from estoric texts & teachings, some are similar to rosicrusians but differ in some ways, freemasons belong to a brotherhood of sorts and rosicrisians is more about mystisism and esoteric study but both tie in to occult type beliefs that focus on spiritialism, inner self and moral & ethical growth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry
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bleach1969@reddit

When my grandfather was working for the local council he was frustrated by the freemasonry contingent and hated them. But i suspect he was even more frustrated that he was never invited to join.
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Low_Border_2231@reddit

It is basically an old boys dinner club. If you know any, the idea they are running the world is ludicrous. They have some weird rituals which makes it all seem more interesting than it is.
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beernon@reddit

I live near the ‘main’ grand lodge. Huge cool building. I see groups of Freemasons with their funny briefcases in the area all the time. They’re all old school cockneys, a very very specific sort of person that you very rarely see out and about.
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Helpful-Fennel-7468@reddit

My grandad was a mason and he’s probably the most normal person I’ve know the past 20 years.
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bite_my_shiny_metal@reddit

They’re not all old school cockneys. You probably see them all the time, but without the briefcase and suit - just a normal person.
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fingered_a_midget@reddit

Pls explain further about these rare gentlemen
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townshatfire@reddit

It's very secrative until you go to Airdrie, then it's in your face and unfortunately you can't escape it. Unless if course you leave Airdrie, which I'd advise.
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beer_wine_vodka_cry@reddit

Are you confusing freemasonry and the orange order just because both use the term "lodge"?
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Terrible-Amount-6550@reddit

What are you on about other than Airdie?!
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SamVimes1878@reddit

I'm from Airdrie and have no idea what he's on about.
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Terrible-Amount-6550@reddit

I’ve never heard of Airdrie and have even less idea what he’s going on about
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townshatfire@reddit

I'm not going to justify that with an answer.
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redrighthand_@reddit

I am a Freemason and happy to answer questions (also joined at 19 through the university scheme). Membership is in decline but we are starting to see some provinces (regions basically) break even at a minimum. Over time lodges will have to close and consolidate where you have less of the but the remainder will be bigger and healthier. From there you can present a more attractive entity that someone will want to join. Our charitable efforts remain sizeable though.
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bluetrainlinesss@reddit

I'll let you in, for a fee.
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BeaksFalcone@reddit

In norfolk,yes it's big,men only tho
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sparkie_e@reddit

It’s not. There is women only and mixed lodges
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cwatt69@reddit

The Oxford Bar in Edinburgh was full of them a few weeks ago. I think there was a do on in the big hoose nearby
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WDeranged@reddit

Shhh.
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BronnOP@reddit

It’s ridiculously easy to get into at least in my city. I bumped into an old school teacher and told him what I was up to these days, that led to him telling me he’s a Freemason and that I should come along. This also came with a paid offer to revamp their group/chapters website to sweeten the deal - they tend to look after their own. I declined.
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svejkovat_@reddit

It’s basically a business club at this point that only exists to perpetuate itself. It’s the Rotary with some pantomime. Long gone are the days when it meant anything significant.
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CheesyMoustache@reddit

I've spoken to a mason from a local lodge who's told me that they're finding it harder to recruit new members. Memorising large tracts of writing in an older version of English (if I've remembered correctly) doesn't appeal to some people. It can also consume a fair amount of time and money, which isn't a necessarily attractive prospect to potential new members.
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Own-Lawfulness-38@reddit

Think it’s predominantly pensioners from what I can tell
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springsomnia@reddit

There’s still a big scene. I live near a Freemasons.
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Fun_Gas_7777@reddit

Yes, its big. Lodge in most towns
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