The Families Have Confirmed: Greg Biffle and His Family, Craig Wadsworth, and the Pilot and his Son Have Died in the Statesville Crash
Posted by Shoddy_Act7059@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 160 comments
Got this from the Twitter post linked here: https://x.com/bobpockrass/status/2001767368888909845?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
SuckThisRedditAdmins@reddit
Brutal. I have a kid the same age as Ryder and it kills me to think of the terror they were in
YKRed@reddit
I hate when people say shit like this. Genuinely why would you say that? It’s so creepy “omg imagine the terror they felt in their dying moment” like it’s a true crime podcast. Gross.
Cold_Double_7088@reddit
Chud
Physical-Swim9650@reddit
Yea bro empathy is gross
YKRed@reddit
Exact opposite of what I'm saying. Have some respect for these people instead of gawking over their horror.
crazysurferdude15@reddit
Are you a parent?
YKRed@reddit
Huh?
crazysurferdude15@reddit
When you become a parent you feel the need to protect your children from everything and thinking of them being terrified is a horrible feeling for a parent in any capacity, let alone their last moments.
I just don't think you're gunna understand this line of thought until you become a parent.
YKRed@reddit
You’re deliberately misunderstanding my point.
crazysurferdude15@reddit
You're deliberately misunderstanding the original comment that made this thread.
YKRed@reddit
How’s that?
crazysurferdude15@reddit
You're reading it as OP pointing out someone else's terror when it's just OP sympathizing with the parents on board and the mother who wasn't by imagining this situation happening to their own kids.
Tlix@reddit
Of course he’s not. He’s an angry little edgelord on Reddit.
YKRed@reddit
I don't understand your comment. It's not empathetic to publicly speculate over how much "terror" a child was in before dying. It's gross, antisocial behavior. Let's be more respectful than that.
Tlix@reddit
That’s not what’s happening. Empathy is putting yourself in a fellow human’s situation. It’s human nature to wonder what it would be like to be in such a terrible situation. And those of us who are parents and have empathy can’t help but imagine what it would be like to be in that situation with our own children. If you can’t comprehend that, I truly don’t know what to tell you.
YKRed@reddit
Deliberate misunderstanding of my comment.
BOWAinFL@reddit
A parent’s worst nightmare is not being able to help or save their child in danger. As a parent of a child that age, OP was emphasizing with how terrifying that situation must have been. Even for a non-parent, this shouldn’t be difficult to understand.
YKRed@reddit
I’m not sure you understand what I’m saying
Objective-Eagle-676@reddit
You don't seem to understand basic human interaction.
reebokhightops@reddit
Are you really this obtuse? That was a clear expression of empathy and there in no universe where you can reasonably regard their comment as “gawking over their horror”.
YKRed@reddit
Are you arguing with me for fun? It's obviously disrespectful.
reebokhightops@reddit
They literally expressed sadness at the fact that the kids had to experience what they did in their final moments. That’s a very natural sentiment for any parent, and especially for a parent who has a kid that same age.
It’s wild that you are accusing someone else of being disrespectful while actively attempting to shame them for expressing empathy for these children.
YKRed@reddit
I’m shaming them for gawking at the child’s terror, and was very clear about that. I’ll extend that shame to you as well for defending it.
TooManyCommanders@reddit
Your downvotes are deserved. You’re deeply missing the point.
YKRed@reddit
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SuckThisRedditAdmins@reddit
This is, without a doubt, the stupidest reply I have ever had to one of my comments and I have been on reddit for a long time. Congrats on being a complete clown.
YKRed@reddit
FYI your reply to my comment calling you out got removed so I can’t see it, only the preview in my inbox. It seemed like you took my comment personally instead of reflecting on what you said though, which does not surprise me.
OlasNah@reddit
This is why our family doesn't fly all together.
11B_Rsnow@reddit
But you surely drive together right? Assuming you aren’t flying in private jets but either way with private jets and especially commercial flights you’re much less likely to be killed versus driving.
OlasNah@reddit
Cars have a lot of safety features. Getting killed in a car is pretty rare and even if you all travel together, unlikely all of you get killed even in a serious accident.
lmfaonoobs@reddit
Lol are you ok
crazysurferdude15@reddit
Cars still have a higher likelihood of death than planes of any type.
OlasNah@reddit
People travel by car a lot more than they do planes.
Objective-Eagle-676@reddit
You're not even old enough to drive judging by your understanding of cars and planes.
OlasNah@reddit
Appreciate the insult little boy
Eversonout@reddit
Someone (you) doesn’t know how percentages and rates work
OlasNah@reddit
I know them just fine. I'm sure that comforts all the people who just died in the plane crash.
crazysurferdude15@reddit
Because the barrier to entry is way lower meaning less quality control of drivers and machinery.
Not many 16 year olds are flying planes but a majority of American 16 year olds are driving cars. Add random drunk people and people not changing their oil and cars are immediately more dangerous even if used for travel at the same rate as cars.
ImmediateZucchini787@reddit
Cars are safer per trip, planes are safer per mile. Car trips are on average much shorter than plane trips, but are several orders of magnitude more common
EmotioneelKlootzak@reddit
Dying in a car accident is literally one of the leading causes of death in the US. It's the third most common fatal accident type, surpassed only by elderly people falling and a combination of drug overdoses, adverse drug reactions, and poisoning, which are all lumped into the same category for some reason.
micahpmtn@reddit
Yeah, I'm sure that's why you don't charter private jets.
OlasNah@reddit
Charter? no. Flown in...yes. Many times.
TakenAccountName37@reddit
What's the difference between chartering and flying in one? Asking as someone who wants to learn more
OlasNah@reddit
Someone who reserves or uses a plane for private use. A business or an individual. In my case I was an employee who was part of a group traveling with some senior people.
todayilearmed@reddit
This might be the dumbest comment I’ve ever seen
OlasNah@reddit
You're pretty stupid, I doubt it.
OlasNah@reddit
And understand something, it's not a statistical argument, but 'entire family dies in a plane crash' is the thing here... That was a choice...
DDX1837@reddit
"Entire family dies in car crash" is way more common thing.
That you keep doubling down on a bad comment is a choice too.
Gloomy_Cheesecake443@reddit
Oh no I didn’t know the daughter had a different mom…the one saving grace was at least they were all together but that girl has a mom out there experiencing this pain. Awful
dessertgrinch@reddit
so in your mind it's better for the children to die with their parents than to survive? weird take...
SnooCheesecakes2723@reddit
I think it’s not a saving grace. If that’s my daughter I want her to live. And especially with her mom being his ex and letting him take her on a private jet- it would be devastating
dessertgrinch@reddit
considering all the downvotes I'm getting, I guess we're the outliers here lol. People are weird, if my wife and I were to die I would never want our kid to die with us, just the thought makes me sick.
Yrn_rizzy@reddit
What do you mean?They were all together like why would you want to die all together with your family?What is that statement even mean
Live_Angle4621@reddit
That if all died together nobody is left grieving. Nicole is now in pain. It would not be better if Nicole was dead too but if Emma’s mom was Christina there would not be now a grieving mom
ThrowBlanky@reddit
Such a weird take. "I wish the other mom was on the plane too" essentially
ZealousidealGrab1827@reddit
The biggest lack of self awareness that I have seen on Reddit. An empty vessel makes the loudest gong. Congrats.
Here_4_the_INFO@reddit
I wise man once said "it is better to keep your mouth shut and let them think you are an idiot than it is to open it and prove them right".
elinamebro@reddit
Reading comprehension of a cockroach
GroupBQuattr0@reddit
That’s an insult to cockroaches
Shoddy_Act7059@reddit (OP)
That is an insult to cockroaches.
hawkeyes007@reddit
Most Reddit ass way of thinking I’ve ever seen
anonroselouise@reddit
I feel so horrible, we lost many good souls today, and Nicole has to be hurting. Losing a daughter, and an ex and father to one of your children, is a horrid experience
vyloria0@reddit
the whole situation is just tragic on so many levels
Gloomy_Cheesecake443@reddit
Really so so terrible I can’t imagine
sonomamondo@reddit
is there any data yet and/or cause? this is awful RIP
Shoddy_Act7059@reddit (OP)
The cause is still unknown.
There is some data of the flight path, shown here: https://www.facebook.com/reel/2042968383128107
Also, there is some flight data in the picture. Looks like the aircraft only made it just above 2000 feet:
No-Hornet-4679@reddit
Looks like to me that plane came down pretty fast.
sonomamondo@reddit
ty!
Shoddy_Act7059@reddit (OP)
You're welcome!
GroupBQuattr0@reddit
Prelim won’t be for a week or 2, and there won’t be a cause on that. We’ll have to wait for the full report which could take a year or longer
No-Hornet-4679@reddit
Yup, It was on my local news and they also confirmed that the time frame for huge details, would be about a year.
sonomamondo@reddit
yes, did find some track and path of the flight online now, ty
Here_4_the_INFO@reddit
You may have already seen this as this comment was from 17 hours ago, but Pilot Debriefing on You Tube breaks down what info is available and stays far away from speculating.
sonomamondo@reddit
DBL TY!
Lazy-Background-7598@reddit
Who ?
danit0ba94@reddit
I don't know why you're being downvoted. You asked a perfectly good question.
NicolasAnimation@reddit
Maybe because Google exists
danit0ba94@reddit
I thought asking questions was supposed to be an encouraged thing in this industry. And that dumb questions arent a thing.
Or is this industry not as respectable and mature as i was taught in a&p school?
Crazyirishwrencher@reddit
If you can't tell the difference between "the industry" and Reddit, you are going to have a short career in aviation.
Lazy-Background-7598@reddit
Maybe because this is an AVIATION sub. Not people magazine thread
SRT-4-@reddit
there's no chance your stupid enough to comment this. its a post about a absolutely very well-known person that died in a AVIATION crash.
Lazy-Background-7598@reddit
Funny. They didn’t do it with other crashes.
julias-winston@reddit
Probably because edgelords like to ask "Who?" to look hip. I'm not saying that's what's going on here - Greg Biffle was famous, but not Taylor Swift famous - but I think it's a knee-jerk reaction.
DDX1837@reddit
The likelyhood that this person just stumbled across this post without seeing at least one story about the crash and who was on it is pretty much non-existent.
That they saw the stories but did not read them because it wasn't about a Kardashian, an assistant coach of a college football team, or something else trivial is likely.
DDX1837@reddit
Username checks out.
Veneficus_Bombulum@reddit
www.google.com
TxsToIowa@reddit
Greg Biffle was a former NASCAR race car driver. He became something of a humanitarian and performed a lot of community service in his retirement. Most notably, he did a lot of cleanup and recovery work after Hurricane Helene and Hurricane Melissa. He was killed in the plane crash along with his wife and two children.
Shoddy_Act7059@reddit (OP)
Greg Biffle was a former NASCAR driver. He was a big humanitarian, delivering supplies to those affected by Hurricanes Helene and Melissa.
Edgeguy13@reddit
This shit always seems to happen in private planes and helicopters. I know it's a perk of being rich and having connections but maybe people should rethink it.
DDX1837@reddit
What is "this shit"? Do you mean crashes? If so, did you already forget the American Airlines regional jet and the Blackhawk helicopter in DC?
And have you considered that 3,000 people die every single day in car crashes?
GroupBQuattr0@reddit
Dennis was type rated but required second in command.
His son was only an instrument rated private pilot for single engines. Isn’t that insufficient to be SIC?
Fourteen_Sticks@reddit
Even if this isn’t causal to the crash, it’ll make the insurance situation a LOT more complicated.
I had a professor in college that co-owned an airplane. He flew it on an IFR flight plan without an instrument rating and crashed. His wife had to file bankruptcy to get out of paying for their share of the airplane that insurance wouldn’t cover.
timhasselbeckerstein@reddit
Greg Biffle's company GB Aviation Leasing, LLC owned the plane, not Greg Biffle. Even if there would somehow be a piercing of the corporate veil here, Greg has a lot more money than your professor friend ever dreamed of. Third, Greg is dead and so are his wife and kids. Who are they coming after for money for the plane owned by an LLC?
Fourteen_Sticks@reddit
I won’t pretend to know all the nuances of LLCs, but shielding the LLC owner from liability is not an absolute. My guess is that if GB knowingly allowed his aircraft to be operated without properly rated crew members, anyone affected by this accident could pierce the veil of the LLC.
timhasselbeckerstein@reddit
im not a pilot, but I am a lawyer. That's not what piercing the corporate veil means. An LLC is an absolute shield to personal liability for the owner assuming the owner didn't personally commit the tort or pierce the corporate veil. Piercing the corporate veil is not something a third party does. Piercing the corporate veil means the owner pierced the veil. Usually by commingling funds and ignoring business regulations. Greg Biffle wasn't operating a charter service on this flight. He was a passenger on an airplane owned by his LLC. That does not mean he pierced the corporate veil. What you are talking about is the ability to sue Greg Biffle personally... and that requires him to have personally committed the tort or to have pierced the corporate veil. Otherwise, the estates of the dead would have to sue GB Aviation Leasing and could not sue Greg Biffle in his personal capacity.
Fourteen_Sticks@reddit
Would there be nobody other than the deceased affected by a suit against the LLC?
timhasselbeckerstein@reddit
the LLC is the only person affected by a suit against the LLC. Let's say you hire John's Roofing LLC and they do a shoddy job on your roof and it starts leaking and ruins all your stuff. You could sue John's Roofing LLC, but not Mr. John himself. The damages come from John's Roofing LLC, not Mr. John's separate, personal assets. So you aren't taking his house from him. If John's Roofing LLC doesn't have the money to pay you, they go out of business. Mr. John doesn't have to come up with the difference. Unless he pierced the corporate veil and used the company as his personal piggy bank. There's also the tort participation theory, where Mr. John would have to personally participate in the tort and be liable for it. If he's just the owner he's not going to be liable.
Fourteen_Sticks@reddit
You hit on what I was getting at to begin with; the fallout felt by the remaining employees of the LLC after insurance refuses to pay out due to a finding of negligence.
timhasselbeckerstein@reddit
Insurance covers negligence, thats the whole point. When you rear end someone in your car, you were negligent. Your insurance still has to cover you and pay for your defense in court. Also, pretty sure there are probably zero employees of Greg Biffle Aviation Leasing LLC. More likely it's just a tax advantage entity for Greg to buy his plane and write things off on his taxes.
In my example above, the employees of John's Roofing aren't on the hook for anything. If the company goes under, yes, his roofers he employs are out of a job. But they can work for another roofing company. And they aren't going to be on the hook for any damages even if they're the ones responsible.
This part of the hypo implicates "Respondeat Superior" (latin) or "Let the master answer." (English). If you own a bar and your bouncer beats some guy within an inch of his life, you have to answer for the bouncer's actions he took within his job duties. If your bouncer got into a DUI accident on the way home that killed a family, you're not liable because he wasn't performing his job when the accident happened.
But if you are WalMart and your truck driver falls asleep at the wheel and rear ends Tracy Morgan, WalMart is on the hook. This also brings up the idea in the law of "always go for the deepest pockets first." Or "You can't get blood from a stone." Tracy Morgan isn't going to really try to get money out of the truck driver, because that guy has no money to pay you. He's going after WalMart because they have money.
If I had to guess who gets sued, if anyone, it would be the pilot who it doesn't sound like was an employee of GB Aviation Leasing LLC. I don't know if he is a friend of Biffle or just someone he contracted to fly the plane, but he doesn't seem like an employee of a company that has one 1981 cessna citation to its name.
FLGirl777@reddit
He was retired from delta due to age so I bet he picked up gigs to keep flying
Fourteen_Sticks@reddit
Insurance will cover gross negligence?
“I know my pilot (or me personally) is not properly rated to fly this thing, but we’re gonna saddle up and do it anyway”.
Seems like a pretty easy out for the underwriter.
timhasselbeckerstein@reddit
1.) greg biffle wasn't flying the plane.
2.) assuming facts not in evidence. there is no evidence that greg biffle "knew" the pilot wasn't "properly rated to fly this thing."
3.) you are just making up your own assumptions about how insurance and corporate law works, but you don't have any actual knowledge about either of those things.
Fourteen_Sticks@reddit
Greg Biffle had operational control of the aircraft. Greg Biffle is responsible for how the aircraft is operated.
timhasselbeckerstein@reddit
Greg biffle wasn't flying the plane. The passengers were not in a business relationship with his company. You are not a lawyer. You don't understand corporate law or torts. Insurance pays for gross negligence, that is the entire point of insurance. When you get in an at fault accident, that means you were negligently operating your car. Your insurance doesn't get to just refuse to cover it. That's not how insurance works. Stick to whatever you do for a living and stop pretending to be a lawyer online.
Fourteen_Sticks@reddit
I’m a pilot. In corporate aviation. I know how operational control works. And I know that if my employer purchases a new aircraft knows that I don’t have the proper licensing to fly it, yet they still push it out of the hangar and tell me to take passengers somewhere in it, insurance is going to have a field day if I that airplane ends up in a ball of wreckage somewhere.
timhasselbeckerstein@reddit
And we're back to Greg Biffle being shielded from liability by virtue of the company being a corporation. I didn't go to flight school and you didn't go to law school. I don't tell pilots how flying a plane works, but you think you understand the law based on nothing.
Fourteen_Sticks@reddit
If the pilot wasn’t properly rated, or the necessary number of crew members weren’t in the cockpit (which are both VERY viable theories at this point) will insurance pay out the hull loss, property damage and/or lawsuits?
LLC or not.
timhasselbeckerstein@reddit
now we're back to the part where Greg Biffle owns the company that owns the plane made in 1981. Who is making a claim for the hull loss? Greg Biffle and his wife and kids are all dead. Do you think his parents are going to try to get the insurance to pay for Greg's plane? No one is going to even try to get an insurance payout for the plane that Greg probably paid off forever ago considering he has more money than anyone you've ever met.
And again, you're now failing to understand how an LLC works with liability. If the family of the single passenger who was not the pilot or the pilots son, and not Greg's wife or kids, sues for wrongful death, the liable party is GB Aviation. Not Greg Biffle. GB Aviation is a corporation. GB Aviation has no money. Greg's money cannot be touched.
Once again, you are not an attorney. You did not go to law school. You don't even know anything about who was on the plane. You don't understand what you are talking about.
PDXPuma@reddit
It might not even be able to be sued because the registered agent is no longer alive and there may not BE anyone that can make decisions for GB Aviation Leasing LLC. In that case, the state will dissolve the LLC and nobody will have any standing.
Fourteen_Sticks@reddit
Yep. A retired NASCAR guy has totally got more money than the billionaire IT guy I used to fly around 👍
timhasselbeckerstein@reddit
definitely has more money than the "professor" you based your entire theory on. Greg had a $30-60M net worth depending on the source.
Indentured-peasant@reddit
Wrong. Type C only.
fygooyecguhjj37042@reddit
Also a lawyer (albeit not US) and at least here “piercing the corporate veil” is something the courts can do where (as you say) there is misuse, fraud etc of the corporate entity. It’s not something the company directors do per se.
Highly doubt it’ll be relevant to this terrible crash, though.
GroupBQuattr0@reddit
Yep. I hope I’m somehow wrong.
Swimming_Way_7372@reddit
Biffle was a multi engine rated pilot.
KeyClacksNSnacks@reddit
He was saying Biffle wasn’t instrument rated for multi engine. He has his ME but did he do an instrument approach check ride in ME?
I’m thinking it’s still too early to assume that’s the reason though. Biffle was competent enough to at least be able to assist left seat with vectors and descent speed. There’s no way the rapid ascent and descent makes sense unless something was failing or the captain was incapacitated.
GroupBQuattr0@reddit
I think 61.55 requires instrument though, so he technically cant be SIC
GroupBQuattr0@reddit
True, but not even instrument rated. Not sure that’s much better
crazysurferdude15@reddit
Let's come back to this in a week when we have more info. For now let's allow the NTSB and investigators figure out some of the facts before we start pointing at causes.
GroupBQuattr0@reddit
Didn’t point out any cause, just stating what’s available per the airman registry
Kittygoespurrrr@reddit
But you're leaving out the fact that exemption 9917 is available for this aircraft which allows for single pilot ops. This exemption doesn't remove the "seocnd-in-command required" statement as it's a waiver.
crazysurferdude15@reddit
Yeah I know. But this is reddit and some people have zero reading comprehension. Let's just give the fact chasing a breather for a bit while more info comes out about the crash. For all we know it could have been a bird strike.
GroupBQuattr0@reddit
I appreciate the respect you’re showing. Should I remove the comment?
TxsToIowa@reddit
There's going to be a lot of people looking for information and asking questions. I think what you've written is okay. If anything, having confirmed facts written and organized somewhere is needed in these days of fast information. I agree wholeheartedly with /u/crazysurferdude, speculating about cause or attempting to blame anything/anyone right now is foolhardy. But that's not what you've done.
crazysurferdude15@reddit
Yeah my point isn't that it's bad info or not a valid question. My point is that we just don't need people who clearly know what they're talking about to start introducing facts that others may take as blame pointing.
It's reddit. You say something like that and maybe a news agency or podcaster or random commenter picks it up and runs with it. And then they spread the info around and then that blame makes it back to the family of the pilots who, like the UPS crash, may have done everything in their power to save the plane.
It's just too early to be commenting on Reddit posts about anything that could lead to blame IMO. Especially when there's a ton of other pilots on here who wouldn't want blame immediately placed on them should (god forbid) a mishap happen to them.
crazysurferdude15@reddit
Nah. Let it serve to educate others on being respectful. I appreciate your offer a lot.
mkosmo@reddit
I'd recommend it. No need to add fuel to any of the armchair speculation fires.
Kittygoespurrrr@reddit
Exemption 9917 exists and allows for single pilot ops of this aircraft. There will still be "Second-in-command required" on the type rating as it's a waiver.
timhasselbeckerstein@reddit
Dennis was an A-330 pilot for Delta. You're telling me he's not rated for a Cessna Citation?
Express-Ticket-4432@reddit
Type ratings don't work that way
timhasselbeckerstein@reddit
buddy of mine who is a pilot said Cessna didn't make a single pilot capable version until 1984 and this one was manufactured in 1981. "So it was dual pilot just because it was designed that way."
lastlaugh100@reddit
Why is someone so rich flying in a plane made in 1981? Seems odd
GroupBQuattr0@reddit
I said he was type rated.
timhasselbeckerstein@reddit
buddy of mine who is a pilot said Cessna didn't make a single pilot capable version until 1984 and this one was manufactured in 1981. "So it was dual pilot just because it was designed that way." Agree or no?
GroupBQuattr0@reddit
This is a Citation II (550) and there isn’t a single 550 variant that’s rated for single pilot operation. No matter the year.
timhasselbeckerstein@reddit
so leaving the "single pilot capable version" aside, would it be fair to say "So it was dual pilot just because it was designed that way" and not because the pilot wasn't experienced enough or qualified enough to fly it solo?
GroupBQuattr0@reddit
You can get an FAA exemption to fly one single pilot but that’s entirely based on the pilot, not the plane. And that’s an exemption, not the rule
timhasselbeckerstein@reddit
so is it fair to say "Unless you get the single pilot exemption a 550 always requires 2 pilots." In other words: the fact that the pilot was required to have a second in command does not mean he wasn't experienced enough or qualified enough to fly the plane solo, it just means the plane itself essentially always requires 2 pilots unless you get that special exemption (Which seems like its not a common thing to go for?)
GroupBQuattr0@reddit
Yes, that’s fair.
clburton24@reddit
Yeah that's how that works. Planes above a certain weight typically have type ratings. Compare two cockpit from different manufacturers and you'll understand why.
rob_s_458@reddit
And who knows whether it had an avionics upgrade, but images from the last time it was listed for sale showed steam gauges. Huge difference from an all-glass airliner.
silver-fusion@reddit
Correct per 14 CFR §61.55
gopack42@reddit
This is a devastating loss. Greg was so selfless in his relief efforts and used his name and fame to inspire others to get involved. An amazing man, and so very sad his family were also on board. Truly a tragic day yesterday.
Individual-Equal-968@reddit
I know this is super morbid but I can’t stop thinking about it, what’s left after a crash like this? I’ve been racking my brain trying to convince myself all day there was a chance maybe just the kids even could survive (I know nearly impossible), but like really what’s left of somebody after a crash like this? I’m sorry this is a horrible question I just can’t stop thinking about this. Horrible loss to the community I can’t even imagine what they went through in their final moments
Bzr21@reddit
In a crash as fiery as this one - bodies are often burned beyond recognition - it would have been quick for them - but they also probably knew it was coming for a period of time before impact - and that terror would have been the worst. And a crash need not have any fire to be fatal - the helicopter crash that killed Stevie Ray Vaughan way back had no fire - it was just blunt force trauma that killed everyone ..
Here_4_the_INFO@reddit
I was thinking about this last night as I was watching the Pilot Debriefing video from YouTube. That guy is pretty good at explaining things to even a non-pilot type like myself Link for anyone interested).
Cristina (wife) had time to text her mom that they were in trouble so they clearly were aware prior to impact. I know those final minutes / moments must have been horrible, only thing I can add is that I hope their deaths were instant. Those poor souls.
Comfortable_Ball_223@reddit
My mother knows one of the family and yeah they are heartbroken. I spoke with them briefly and I cannot even imagine the level of anguish this is.
Jazzlike_Draw_2449@reddit
What would cause 2 professional pilots to perform 2 unstable approaches? Doesn’t seem like engine failure.
feignsc2@reddit
Drunk, distracted, or hubris ahead of skill
dessertgrinch@reddit
The wife texted out that they were in trouble before crashing
Jazzlike_Draw_2449@reddit
Yes but that doesn’t provide any useful information. Seems to be trim or airspeed issue then unstable approach resulting in crash.
estewey87@reddit
Sad all around may they Rip i , wonder how cleetus(cleetus McFarland)is feeling since they were flying out to visit the freedom factory.
rob189@reddit
Judging by his FB and IG posts today, not great.
TXFlyer71@reddit
RIP to all. Thank goodness this terrible week is nearing the end.
Butterfly_Wings222@reddit
He did so much for those who were so desperately affected by the storm last year. My heart goes out to his all left in the wake of this. Truly a tragedy.
Technical_Anteater45@reddit
RIP
Active-Armadillo-576@reddit
I remember Greg well from his racing days but I admittedly didn’t know much about his philanthropic work. It’s very sad.
Just-Bit-4554@reddit
This world is so crazy they way things happen. A whole family passes away tragically, as well as the pilot and his own son too. Just so sad
jimmyflyer@reddit
This is just incredibly terrible and tragic news. Followed Greg’s life after racing and all he did was give back to his community. 🙏
BAMES_J0ND@reddit
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