Anon is exaggerating, obviously, but there is a huge social divide between men and women. It's not like back in the old days when there were *written* rules segregating men and women into different spaces, but the unwritten rules of society that people pretend don't exist still enforce this sort of segregation.
And this *does* make it harder to have a date. A lot of guys and gals struggle with basic communication with the opposite sex, even after the two of them start dating, because they're socialized so differently that there's a legitimate cultural barrier between the two. It's almost like talking to someone from a different country - minus the language barrier, of course.
The reason people strughle now isn't because of the lack of universal rules
Its because people aren't focusing on figuring themselves & their lives out first to even be a person ready to be in a relationship in the first place
Being awkward is one thing and if anything its easier than ever to find someone whilst being an awkward person as people now are more open to being their quirky selves making it somewhqt normalized.
What I noticed *really* keeps potential partners away more than anything is signs that the person they are on a date with is just not ready to be an adult let alone someone worth being in a relationship with.
You need to learn to live by yoirself before you expect to live with someone else
A shocking amount of adult people out there aren't fully autonomous people let alone someone a person can rely on... because that's what a relationship is... if I see that you can't handle your own life what makes you think I'd look at that and go "huh, yeah that *is* the quality I am looking for in someone I want to be able to lean on in difficult times..."
Don't get me wrong, dating these days sucks but its not for the reason most people think
Most of the time its just immature people who shouldn't be dating, trying to date.
And yes, this goes for both men & women, a woman with insane & unrealistic standards is just as immature as a man who wants a glorified maid/chore slave... its the same problem at its core.
The secondary issue is that even if people get all that figured out, the "rules of the game" have changed. Women are on high alert in all the spaces that in the past would've been *the place* to meet people. Most guys have picked up on that and don't even try anymore. So now a bunch of social spaces that used to be for mingling are now just separate friends groups not talking to each other.
> people aren't focusing on figuring themselves & their lives out first to even be a person
Human mating season is supposed to start pretty early, historically speaking. That's why you're so horny then
It's only in modern times we expect people to bury their noses in books way out into their twenties, then spend another decade climbing the corporate ladder -- all so you can *finally* touch a titty when you're like 34
That shit's not natural, but guaranteed somebody's getting rich off it
Perhaps purely from a biological standpoint but in reality its more complex than that
As humans we have access to higher level thinking than your average animal so you can't just go along with whatever is "natural" anymore
For starters its not all about "that titty" - there are different ways to live life all of which are valid, so its not just be born => grow up => fuck => die anymore for us. And that's my point, so many people just focus on that so much its to the point that they neglect other crucial aspects of their life and then are shocked that they aren't seen as a potential partner by anyone
Secondly we live in a society - that's a syatem that benefits us by granting us access to a LOT of stuff without us having to do it ourselves.
For example: to make a smartphone you first need to mine & refine all the resources for it, then you need to design not only the hardware but also the software for it too, then you need specialist machines to actually make it, then you need a network infrastructure for it to be able to connect to others.
That is so much work that not any single person could pull off in a lifetime
Buuut because we live in a society you can just go to a store, pay some money and get it all ready and done for you like its no big deal.
The cost of being in such a system however is that you are expected to work and contribute in some way to society, and yes that often includes having to bury your nose in books into your 20s to have the expertise to work a specific specialized job.
Its either that or you go out into the woods and make your own mud hut to live in.
I think people take society for granted these days and don't realize just how much heavy lifting it does for everyone.
Anon will get topped before he gets to talk to one of those women. Also I've heard gay men actually don't like the women going there because they often get drunk and start harassing the guys despite knowing they're gay
I have some gay male friends and they drag me to gay bars all of the time. It’s typically chill. What they DONT like is the gaggle of girls who come in for their 21st bday so they can say “OMG I can’t believe we’re at a gay bar!”
notice that you never said i was incorrect 🤷 just vaguely suggested i'm somehow doubling down. your joke didn't make sense, sometimes they don't, buddy. it's okay. take your lump respectfully
Don’t pick up women at the gay bar. Go to the gay bar, act gay, have gay sex, then go to church tell women you’re trying to accept Jesus and need a good woman to save them from their sinful ways. They practically have to bang you if they want to go to heaven
First of all you gotta be a billionaire and then you scout ur women while they are still in school, optional steps include a gilf gf named maxwell who does the scouting for you (she clears any nba scouts) and an island
I feel like dating habits have literally just fallen so far behind the rate of technological advancement that people have been left behind. It's basically a matter of luck nowadays for young people to end up in a relationship.
That young men are having difficulty finding women does not mean that women have it easier. From their perspective there are an enormous amount of sad lonely young women who have a lot of social expectations to have kids, be attractive, etc and not theyre also experiencing the whole career rat race expectations that only men would have been subject to in the past.
I think the solution to this is just more mixed spaces, less static gendered hobbies and interests. Ultimately if men are engaging with women in a way that doesnt have romantic expectations, I.e trying to genuinely befriend women, then this problem will be solved, because romance often blossoms from regular friendly time spent with another person (its simple biology).
I think people underestimate how chaotic society actually is, and they assume that we reached the end of history and we're not in a literally constant state of flux when it comes to interpersonal relationships, economics, and gender roles
The world has changed, therefore change your value system and spend time doing the things you like rather than valuing things that are way less achievable. Like in the middle ages chivalry was viewed as the paragon behaviour and values system, now we view it as weird and outdated. You're under no obligation to have children or to continue your le dynasty, think of all the royal houses that have inexorably fallen extinct over millenia that nobody knows or cares about
Its not just about having children, being lonely just sucks ass.
Humans have an innate drive for partnership, not being able to satisfy it is depressing as shit.
Would you rather be lonely and have children you never meet so you just know your genes were passed on. Or find someone, live fullfilling life but dont have any genetic descendants?
Those sad lonely young women always have the option to just download a dating app and choose whoever they want from 1500+ profiles in just one day. Young men don't have that option.
Have you considered 1500 men is too much of a problem to go through? Even if you downsize that to 1%, it's still 15 times more than you can date. You can at best, easy laid as a woman, but that wasn't difficult for women anyways but finding actual romance, yeah, not much better. What are the odds you will bullseye at a 1/1500 chance.
Not really? They can go through however many matches they feel like. Imagine getting to filter for the perfect woman whenever you want as a guy, absolutely fucking none of us would complain about it being "too hard" to do lmao.
If they can't find one romantic partner out of hundreds of even thousands of matches, that means they have a problem lol. Women basically have infinite options, meanwhile an average guy has none because he gets zero matches.
Yea sad reality is if you’re a average guy your personality has to be a tier.
I’d consider myself above average because I’ve had at least 2-3 women cold approach me before and even I’m having trouble these days.
I haven’t had a serious or even a potential partner since 2022
I know it works better this way but the issues I have is that most women don’t seem to want to hangout as friends in the first place or if they do then they aren’t really want a relationship in the first place.
I’m not expecting a relationship out of every friendship but it does seem like the more I go out with my friends that are girls the less they see me as relationship material
Note how you said often, luck is still needed, even if it's a good idea/strategy. You basically try a bunch of shit until something works (or you die). Life should still be worth living should it never happen.
Yeah no university can be basically 90% males if you go to a university that offers only engineering majors. I studied electrical engineering, the number of women there in my courses I could count on one hand lol
Honestly, availability of potential partners should be part of the calculus when choosing a university. It's 4 (or so) years of being in a relatively controlled environment, primarily consisting of people of the same age range, having a minimum level of intelligence and competence, with minimal structure or responsibilities and copious amounts of free time.
It's a target-rich environment, in other words. If you're not at least making friends/chatting up/networking with members of the opposite sex, you're completely squandering what may be your best opportunity.
And before anyone says it, I was an engineering grad, too. Get the fuck out of the engineering building for once, you dweebs.
Dated a Psyc major in college, massive mistake. I'm finding it hard to find a girl in college that isn't crazy or doesn't constantly made terrible decisions. TBF, I was using dating apps to find most of the girls I've dated on campus which doesn't help. It's like dating from the gutter
Yep, now that I am out of college I realized I basically fucked myself by not going to one with more women and getting a relationship by then. Oh well, maybe reincarnation is real or something and it will happen in the next life.
In my uni, all the pretty girls are studying architecture. But they have their own cafeteria and you need a key card to get into their building. So basically the only way to talk to one of them is in the parking lot.
Oh i definitely did. This uni is known for having the second weirdest kids. Its my second degree, the first uni i went to was great. Lots of places to meet up and share. I got a girlfriend within the first year. Not this one. The worst part is the few girls that are studying engineering are SWARMED by guys.
In english, yes. In my language, you can say the two things in the same way and be gramatically correct. Guess I should have added that as a detail, I thought it would be clear enough
I studied civil engineering and we actually got almost a 50/50 between man and woman, same thing for material engineering and production engineering (idk the name of those last two in English, mb if I just named 2 inexistent graduations).
But yeah, eletrical and mechanical engineering had like 3 girls in a 40 students class.
Volunteer at the animal shelter. Seriously, not a joke. Fantastic place to meet women. Also a great place to make friends with men who have mix gendered friend groups.
I always see this come up, but I find it amusing how specific the very existence of animal shelters can be to country to country. I live in the UK, and animal shelters are not a common thing, most that are, are managed by charities, to a rather limited breadth, they have no lack of volunteers but far too many employees, and although they rarely match the capacity for the demand they have, there isn't actually much of a population of stray animals that exist in the first place.
Generally, working at an "animal shelter" here means being on a 6 month volunteering waitlist, all so you can run a hundred different administrative tasks for bosses who seem to make it their job to make sure no animal is adopted.
Everyone cares if people are mean to them. But it’s an incel trait to never attempt to meet a woman because you assume that women are going to be mean to you in a social situation.
It is absolutely wild to me to act with so little empathy for a whole group of young people that have to navigate an absolute unprecedented, totally dystopian social environment. But yeah I guess they are all incel.
It’s not about a lack of empathy. It’s a realistic view of reality. Not making any attempt to approach women because you’re worried that they’ll be mean to you online is just not reasonable.
How many friends do you have that have been taunted online like this when joining a hobby? That’s out of how many friends who have attended an event how many times that each have how many women at them? What you’re describing is probably a 1 out of a million occurrence, and most of those people are probably being creeps. Just don’t make other people uncomfortable and you’ll be ok.
The performative male creep shots are definitely a thing, but it’s easy to avoid if you don’t show up with matcha. And if they do take your picture, oh well. Not like it’s going to steal your soul.
Confidence is like an oven made of solid wood.
I could have all the confidence in the world that my wooden stove wouldn't burst into flames, doesn't mean it's fireproof.
Lmao you’re exactly right. I feel bad for these guys. They don’t realize how much their worldview has been manipulated by the negative shit they see on the Internet.
The same could be said for any of us that spend upwards up 2 hours a day scrolling. I’m not even trying to make it sound like I’m immune to it or above it. But the difference is that I actually go outside and interact with people and quickly realize most people are relatively friendly, just going about their day.
How low my confidence has to be that a picture of me, taking without my consent, posted without my consent on the internet for thousands of people to see, is a problem?
Like, normal level, I guess.
They can do something to make them look good enough for themselves.
If you absolutely dislike how you look how can you expect someone else to like you?
Idk man that seems pretty low confidence if you ask me. Stranger posting a picture of another stranger(you) and then other strangers dissibg on you is basically r/roastme subreddit but without the consent part. And the dofference being is that people on the roast me sub are kinda funny(sometimes) and ppl roasting you on that girls post are irrelevant because their viewpoint of you is irrelevant they are judging a stereotype that your picture represents. They aren't really judging you.
Bruh its pixels on the screen. Who cares if someone posts my picture without my consent on some cringe tumblr post? How insecure are you my dudes? Like i know we re on greentex and on reddit so maybe im the dumb one for expecting a baseline level of confidence so yeah idk
So if I come and take a picture of you right now and post it online to make fun of you, that's acceptable to you? It's not everyone else having low confidence, it's you having low boundaries and a lack of self respect.
Fake news. All of those "women" online are just men pretending to be women for free stuff.
How do I know? Because if there were girls online, I would have met one by now.
or you can just be really autistic about the hobby. Im really into oil painting and crocheting and the groups I go to for those things are mostly female but im the best painter (in terms of technical skill, def not composition) and reasonably competent with a hook and needle so no one minds. The way to avoid appearing preformative is, suprise suprise, genuine interest. If youre just showing up to co-ed hobbies bc women are there than you are literally, definitionally performative
That last thing is why I really hate the advice of "go to an in-person event about things you like!"
If a person was genuinely interested in that hobby, they would've done it by now. You're just telling someone to do something performative to try and meet women, and it isn't going to work unless the person being told this advice understands that they should be doing it out of genuine interest *for the hobby*.
>That last thing is why I really hate the advice of "go to an in-person event about things you like!"
Actually, the way you phrased it in the beginning is the best way to put it, because it implies genuine interest for the hobby. Just sucks if all your hobbies have less women than a men's locker room at the gym.
well I think its reasonable in the sense that I drew and painted alone in my room for years up until I got the idea to start meeting up with a group, sometimes telling someone that they should externalize something they usually keep to themself is all that person needs. Also, I think theres nothing inherently wrong with being a little preformative, you might actually end up developing a genuine passion for the activity independent from chasing people. I know so many people who just go to the gym for themselves now (and playing guitar is another big one). This imitation to gain favor is a very natural human process, online media just loves to be hyper critical of narrative
as well it's not inherently performative to try new things. As long as you go and pay some interest and respect to the activity rather than doing it for clout
If you go to a painting class and spend the whole time ogling the women and constantly trying to chat each of them up, that's being a fucking creep. 'Performative male' is just some new-age synonym for the same damn thing.
You can invent reasons to never try all day.
Yeah, when you do things involving people, there’s a risk they’ll be assholes. But people will always be assholes, so you just ignore it because you will eventually find that most people are not assholes, and some people are very much worth going out of your way and comfort zone for.
You'll find that this kind of shit is done by the permanently online people, who don't really exist in real life. Twitter isn't real.
Seriously, go to a few classes and check it out. Unless you're doing something like joining the women's only fitdance class or something like that, nobody is going to bat an eye.
Running club is the move. Tons of chicks that are either in shape or will be in shape soon, and it’s not some girly hobby that only attracts gay dudes or creeps.
I did this, what I ended up with was a room full of autistic guys (DnD), then a bunch of old people (book club), then a whole lot of middle aged wives with crazy eyes if single (latin dancing), and then old people again (church choir) and then middle aged wives and old women (spinning class)
It's like... Where are the women my age?
There's a shitload of things to do that attract a balanced or female-heavy audience. The key is to leave the house and go do *something*, regularly. If you don't like the first thing you try, do something else.
Who knows, you might enjoy them! Honestly people should keep experimenting their entire life, I met an 85 year old dude that had gotten a panting class for his 80th birthday and started painting for the first time in his life, fell in love with it, and paints almost every day now. He showed me some pics, he's pretty good!
Some survey a while ago listed out the hobbies men do that are most attractive to women. Probably kinda unscientific but I ask women in my life about it all the time and they're like "yeah that tracks."
It was like, reading, cooking, painting, gardening, woodworking, photography, and playing instruments at the top. I think there was some bizarre shit too like blacksmithing. The bottom of the list was funnier though, it was like, "listens to joe rogan" or "arguing online." Sadly Anime and Magic were at the bottom of the list too. Crypto as well lol.
This tracks with my own relationships. Having 2 daughters who are now in their 20s and starting to become more serious about who they date makes it even more clear. I'd personally see it as a red flag if a woman *didn't* find value in these sorts of useful/interesting/creative hobbies and skills.
Just because a dude watches anime or plays fucking Yu-Gi-Oh or whatever is not a deal-breaker, as long as that's not ALL they do. There's got to be a good dose of those more mundane 'real-world useful' skills in there as well. Be multi-dimensional. There's plenty of time to learn how to cook a little bit or play some piano.
All of the above should apply to how a man evaluates a woman as a potential long-term mate, too.
I've done that, later been told my lack of success surely stems from the fact I wasn't interested in those hobbies to begin with and only participated for social interaction; apparently the advantage of meeting people in hobby clubs is you having a common interest to start with. If one only gets into the hobby for the sake of finding new friends, one loses that advantage, and becomes little more than a nuisance to others who are there to actually enjoy the hobby
get into female dominated hobbies: couple dancing, book clubs, animal shelter volunteering. if you're averagely social and not a creep you'll meet plenty of women this way. and they're fun hobbies too.
I can absolutely recommend the volunteering at an animal shelter both because from experience most of the people there are women but (and this is more important imo) it helps the animals and you get to interact with poor babies that could really use the help. I do it because I love animals, but I’ve also had the women there hit on me quite a lot, especially when they’ve recently broken up with their boyfriends. Which isn’t ideal for me because I’m just there to help the babies.
Do I need lots of experience with animals to volunteer at an animal shelter? I’m a cat whisperer but haven’t interacted a whole lot with dogs, nor have I been elbow deep in dog shit, but I’d prefer that to being bitten or something.
absolutely no experience needed! every minute given to volunteering is appreciated. what I prefer are general animal shelters, with rescued cows, chicken and such.
just a side note, there's a risk of contracting veganism after a while. after having known the food I ate and humanizing them I no longer felt like eating that stuff anymore.
That’s a problem, I just got into lifting and beans aren’t very tasty… I’ll look into it though thanks. Just got laid off a while ago and am taking a break, would be fun to do some random social stuff and meet new people, and working for a good cause would feel nicer than video games and jorking it
there's plenty of veggy proteins out there to explore! one of the tastiest is tempeh, I love its taste even though at the beginning it might taste kind of weird. and, if you make it yourself, is super cheap (about 2€/kg or 1$/lb), with similar protein content than meat. you can also try minced TVP, super versatile and cheap, and you can season it however you like (i make a delicious ragù bolognese with it), and you can ask around on /r/veganrecipes and on /r/veganfitness for more info about vegetable proteins. I take about 100gr per day and had no problems until now.
They generally take whatever hands they can get. They’ll likely have you cleaning up after them and feeding them if you don’t have much behavioral experience
Fr I’m 23 and don’t see many girls my age when I go out with my buddies. Granted I work night shift so I probably only go out three times a month but I mostly see women who are at least 30.
I’m wayyy too baby faced to approach them
* Paid dating sites. If you're paying, they're paying. And if they're paying, they're looking for commitment and probably have a job.
* Make new friends. Don't look for female friends, just friends you click with. New friends will know single people, and if you're not an asshole and they're not an asshole, you'll get setup to date (just be patient).
* There is no such thing as a 100% male hobby. Either you're enjoying your hobby from your own home, or from locations that are 100% male dominated. Find a new game shop, or a weekly book group, or whatever else you're into. Just explore more.
Find something to volunteer at. Like a dog rescue. Lots of women do that strike up a rapport find out if they're single and ask them out to coffee. If they're not single but seem friendly after a few weeks ask if they have any single friends that might be interested in going for coffee. Just say you don't like dating apps.
Ask lots of questions at coffee about them and what their interests are and don't look at your phone.
Then maybe ask them to go to the movies, pool or bowling and at the end of the that night if all is going well go in for a kiss. If you're rejected great you found out early you're wasting your time if it goes well then you may have found yourself in a relationship.
Good luck.
Also I'm in my 40s this may not work at all now.
Also prune up your social media they can find. Make sure everything on there is positive, has no pitty seeking, political leanings or anger posts.
If your friends at early 20s don’t have any girlfriends or other women in the group, that’s not a good sign.
You probably won’t meet any women if you’re just going out to clubs that are somehow all male.
When I was dating in my early 20s, and the dates entire group was just weird NEETS and incels that didn’t know any women, that was a red flag.
Plenty of nerds and gamers and autistics have girlfriends and a social circle that includes women.
Those women tend to have friends that can lead to nights out where you meet other women.
If you’re in an insular group where there are no women, and you want to meet women, you should find another group.
I met most of my boyfriends at friends gatherings. Not the club.
This assumed friends of your friends are your friends as well, and that's not how it tends to work. People also tend tend to have multiple smaller friend groups, not one big one. Like, people have a friend group A with whom they do kayaking and board games, and a friend group B with whom they do bouldering, and people from those two groups will never meet eachother despite having a common link in theory.
What?
I’m saying this is how you met people OUTSIDE of your friend group.
You would go to a gathering. See the regulars. And they would bring new people. And you would also bring in new people.
I’m not talking about a LAN party of 5 nerds.
I’m talking about an actual house party. Neighbors would sometimes show up.
Friends of friends.
There were always new people there?
Sounds like a lot of extraverts not properly segregating their friend groups. As a friend segragator I have 4-5 friend groups whom I will never introduce to one another nor do they explicitly know that the others even exist
Not that friends gatherings are a bad place to meet a possible partner, but usually when a dude is complaining about how he's not even finding any women around, that's just bad advice.
Odds are that there will be a lot more men than women there and even if those women are looking for someone and are not against dating someone within their friend group, the odds are still not in any particular man's favor.
I guess just my “friends gatherings” weren’t 5 dudes around computers.
They were more house parties where new people would show up and easily 40-50 people hanging out who all had connections and shared interests.
So it really WAS a good way to meet people.
Saying my (now) husband, I brought female friends of mine to these.
They had fun. We played drinking games. They socialized. We played NES and drank and maybe Munchkins or other RPGs that didn’t take a lot of experience were going too, if anyone wanted to join.
A lot of “nerd” groups I interacted with were also really social. Big parties. Lots of people. Like minded people.
Easy to meet and socialize.
Rec sports work well, most cities have volleyball/kickball/etc that don't require much skill to get into.
Also the real pro move: if you're reasonably fit and can afford it, your best bet is going somewhere with workout classes. I started going to a gym that's like a less granola crossfit and my lord, it's 75% women and almost all of them are in great shape. Real friendly vibe too, just don't be a creep and you're golden. I'm engaged but at the Christmas party this past weekend I had three different women asking if I knew guys for them to meet because they're all just fed up with the apps.
You can just step outside of your comfort zone and go try playing mixed sports, join mixed clubs, volunteer, or literally get a dog and go to dog meets. There are also meet up apps if you are in bigger cities - they will host events etc.
find an activity you like to do and find a club for it. skateboarding, bowling, rock climbing and art classes are a great way to get out of the house and meet new people regardless of gender
Not that I would ask the people that dwell in this subreddit for help getting laid, let's be serious, but the post actually raise an interesting point.
What are some female-dominated social hobbies that men can also participate in ? I realize I have no idea, and I'm curious.
The true question they always suggest get some new or better hobbies but they never elaborate. It’s because I think something like that doesn’t really exist and if it did they would just think you’re a creep or just gay. Getting a gym membership might be a way but getting a gym membership just for the goal of trying to get laid is some real creeper shit. Best bet just go to the club if that’s something you really want. Maybe the one night stand can turn into a relationship? Maybe not? Modern dating really is like playing slots hoping you get lucky
Found my guy off of social media, we played GTAV together and had fun being stupid online. Eventually we wanted to be stupid and have fun in person.
Now he’s my fiancé.
My advice is to be racist in GTAV.
Having and proactively expressing an aggressive ideology is masculine.
Reactive expression (Fear when walking past a minority late at night, snap insults when driving) are less so.
But ideological racism is a very masculine trait.
Ehhhhh
Depends on the variety of it I think there, friend
Feminine in group/out group judgement would very easily translate to racism, for example
It was women who were mad they lost their house slaves
Peak. After me and my dear gamed for a while on GTAV we went to RDR2 Online (when it was still more active), which was a lot of fun. I can’t remember what games we went to after that but o remember it being the realization of what love can feel like. Now he plays Arma with his buds and I play Elder Scrolls Online :)
Never occurred to me this could be an issue. I thought people go to clubs to hoe themself out and meet new people, so naturally once they have a partner they would like to settle with they would stop going
Fix your lack of time and money problems (for your own sake) before looking to date. A relationship is only going to put more strain on your time and money.
Lack of money, I expect to fix within this year. Lack of time though, that's complicated to deal with if I have an 8-to-5 smacked in the middle of most weekdays
The vast majority of people have an 8-5 or a 9-5 or a 9-6 or worse, and they still manage to do additional things outside of work. If you have other activities or responsibilities that are more important uses of your time there is no issue with that, it's just a question of priorities. If you look at what is actually eating up your time I would guess you can probably find something that you could spend less time on or eliminate altogether.
The vast majority of people dont do shit outside of work what are you on lmao. Your average person is so tired from work and chores that they mostly just watch TV or rot on their phone before going to sleep.
Legit as someone with rotating shifts I couldnt even get into a social hobby even if I wanted to, I would be able to attend maybe once a month at best.
I have already cut the time eaters to the bare minimum - I genuinely have no time left to do so much as watching TV nowadays, it's just work, eating, chores and sleep then loop it. Weekends are just the day I can use to do chores I don't have time to do during the week. And even so, I barely have the time or energy to do literally anything else!
People never account for this when giving this sort of advice. If it was really all about going out and getting new hobbies and so on, it wouldn’t be such a widespread issue. Sure that’s part of it, but it’s overshadowed by the fact that increasingly more people don’t have enough money to support a relationship. Some don’t even have enough for hobbies.
Yea I’m in this weird spot where I have a decent amount of free time but I work night shift and I have a long week of working 6 nights and a short week of working 1 day.
It’s really weird because on my long week I feel like I have no time except for work and on my short week I have almost all the free time in the world.
If you're in a city try volunteering. I joined a habitat restoration team ran by my local science museum and found a great group of friends! If I was single it would have been a great place to meet other singles, or people with single friends
I've been eyeing a volunteer group for a while, problem is that they have their headquarters in the city and I live in the suburbs, with no car and barely enough expendable income to consider a bus to the city and back. I expect this to change next year, but no guarantee.
Im in the same boat as you. Im searching for a new job to solve the time and money problem but I dont expect it to happen for a while, especially given the current market.
Get more money first, then go through dating apps.
Dating takes money, if you can't afford a hobby you sure as hell won't be able to go on multiple dates until you find someone good.
The solution seems pretty obvious to me. Date an older woman with a daughter (who is obviously going to grow up having daddy issues). Wait a decade until the daughter is 18. Date/marry the daughter. Problem solved, easy peasy!
I met my wife 10 years ago, but I signed up for numerous sports leagues in my city, and I was regularly hitting up the dating apps. Ending up getting a date with my now wife and rest is history.
My buddy got divorced and is telling me the dating scene is exceptionally difficult compared to when we first started dating, but he refuses to join any type of extracurricular activity outside of bar crawls so don’t do that cause he is single still 2 years later
Sports stuff is the play. I get hit on all the time at volleyball and the country club.
It's crazy to me that reddit tells people to "go where their interests are" and all these jackasses go bug the spare handful of women at the magic the gathering meetup.
I use to hit up the basketball courts every day for 2 years and I never saw a woman. I went strictly to play basketball until I had a heat stroke when In 2022
If your most recent experience on dating apps is a decade old you may not want to recommend them to people in 2025. It's basically the "Just walk up to the manager, give him your resume and a firm handshake, and you're basically guaranteed a job!" of people off the market since anytime pre-COVID.
Agree with you about dating apps nowadays but as the comment above said, I’m recommending branching out and joining sole sports league that is co-ed. You meet lots of people, so you can make friends or other folks looking to date. I play soccer in a co-ed league in Colorado and half my team are single and other half are couples looking for friends.
Experiences may vary but it’s honestly helped me as a married man make friends. My buddy also met his now wife in our soccer league.
Yeah but the only show a set amount of dudes in the evening anyway. It’s not like they pick and choose all at once.
Not all girls on bumble/hinge go for that vibe. Especially for long term relationships.
My most recent experience on dating apps is of a year ago, when I met my now girlfriend. They're viable and a good option if you're not in the mood to do cold approaches.
If you're doing poorly on dating apps you're either really hideous (statistically unlikely) or you don't have a good profile (which is the case for most dudes). And in both cases odds are you don't know how the algo works and isn't using it to your favor.
I had essentially 3 iterations of my profile: first one had shitty photos and literally no matches on tinder (and like 3 or 4 matches on Boo). Slowly went about upgrading the photos and my wardrobe and it went to about 5 matches per week between Tinder and Bumble. Then deleted those two accounts, uploaded the best photos and went to 30+ matches per week with the new account boost and 10 to 15 once it wore off while using only Bumble.
~~and for only 29.99 a month I can teach you all the secrets~~
Here's the trick. Search for v tubers with a low view count. Chances are you'll find one that's local. They're the most maladjusted and desperate people in the world. It's your easy in.
there is such an astronomically low chance that the vtuber is a local woman and not a dude using a voice changer or someone living in buttfuck nowhere that you are better of just asking out random women outside until one gives in
Hi, I run a vtuber account. I'm a middle aged man from rural Arkansas but I have a surprisingly tight butthole that I need to get ruined. Can you offer any advice?
From 600lbs down to a healthy 200lbs and bulked up like Dio from Bizarre Adventure part 3.
You call 600lbs a downside, I call that a challenging grindset.
Now get out there and add more gym bros to our collective hive.
It's too late for anon, it's already well-known that w*men are already pre-packaged with a boyfriend by the time they go out.
Time to embrace the (fake and) ghеу
I once took a rock'n'roll dancing class. The teachers stopped accepting applications once we had parity, then a week later most of the women brought their boyfriends to dance with and the teachers said nothing, leaving the rest of the guys to dance alone. I obviously didn't come back.
Hiding, because tons of feral 24 year old boys that aren't ready for a relationship yet are roaming the streets. They'd be like chum in the water, so they stay out of that shit.
Because there are certainly no women “roaming the streets” with the emotional maturity of an 8-year-old. 🙄 can we have one fucking thread on this hell website that doesn’t devolve into “men bad”?
So sorry that I don’t treat the constant mocking and dismissal of an entire sex based on vibes with the amount of levity you prefer. When you see enough man-hating “jokes”, they stop being funny and they start being infuriating.
I literally mocked one anon for claiming that women aren't anywhere to be seen and you have become deeply offended as though I attacked all men...when I am one...
Your defensive extreme overreaction says a lot about you and you seem to be fitting the description I gave for a non-existent imagined type of person just to tease one person.
You really need to reflect on what is causing you to react this way... 🙄
There's nothing sexist about sarcastically mocking an anon for exaggerating about meeting women.
You need to calm down and seriously look at yourself. You've got some serious troubles if this gets you angry so easily.
I have the same issue, I meet men but everyone I meet out and about is so fucking old. I want to meet decent men in their 20s. 😭 Only place I could find them was 24 hr fitness, I should go back...
Maybe anon's city is small? Something that has been happening here is that most young people leave as soon as they finish college. Maybe it's a demographic issue
In my area, the really quality ones end up moving north, go to college and degree in something, marry one of their classmates, and come back to buy a house because it's cheaper or in some rare cases stay up where they moved in case they strike it big.
And if none of that happens, they stay, have a few really bad relationships, drop out of college, etc.
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