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Why do people say the Balkans are underdeveloped and poor when Vienna is literally always in the Top 3 cities to live in?

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Why do people say the Balkans are underdeveloped and poor when Vienna is literally always in the Top 3 cities to live in?
Western Europeans and especially Americans tend to see the Balkans as poor and underdeveloped, yet they host the most livable city on the planet? (Number 2 this year)

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EleFacCafele@reddit

Because Vienna was the capital of an empire, the Austro-Hungarian empire anand all riches of the Balkans went there. Or to Istanbul, another imperial capital. The Balkans were bled dry by Austrians and Ottomans for centuries.
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ItHappensSo@reddit (OP)

It Istanbul is super poor? How does that work?
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gundaymanwow@reddit

that doesn’t mean poor.
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_whatever_idc@reddit

How is Istanbul super poor?
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ItHappensSo@reddit (OP)

Istanbul Ranks 112 out of 140 cities measured for the most livable cities. Below most Balkan cities
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_whatever_idc@reddit

Because its ~15m metro.
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EleFacCafele@reddit

I said that riches went to Vienna and Istanbul, capitals of empires. You did not understand what I wrote.
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ItHappensSo@reddit (OP)

If being the capital of an empire was the main requirement for being rich, wouldn’t Istanbul, Moscow, Berlin, Beijing etc. be the richest cities? Also even Belgrade to a degree.
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EleFacCafele@reddit

They are actually very rich comparing with the rest of the countries (Russia, Beijing). Berlin was never a long imperial capital, unless you count the 3rd Reich which ended with Berlin completely destroyed. Germany never had an empire like the Ottoman Empire, Austrian Empire, Russian Empire or Imperial China.
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ItHappensSo@reddit (OP)

What? Maybe you should look up German history between 1871 and 1918 and even more so Prussian history before that.
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EleFacCafele@reddit

Germany came very late into Empires and did not last long comparing with other empires in Europe that lasted at least 500 years or more.
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ItHappensSo@reddit (OP)

Doesn’t change the fact that they had a huge colonial empire, much bigger than for example Austria
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DalmoEire@reddit

Half of these balkan countries still live off of what Vienna left. Go to Zagreb. Austrians built half of that city. Croatia still operates the same train network that the Austrians built. (although the network is even smaller now) Go to Sarajevo and leave the small ottoman city center and you will see blocks of Austrian built houses. That city was only 50 years under Austrian rule and still they invested heavily. Šibenik, Croatia was the first European City with electric lighting. All financed by the Austrians. There is a reason, why Croatia and Slovenia were the economic powerhouses of Yugoslavia. The Austrians bought the social peace with heavy investments in the cities and infrastructure. The Austrian empire was the best thing that happened to us Croatians, because our own people are too tribalistic and narrow minded to even think about the progress for society instead of criminally enriching yourself. Over the last century we fought so much for our national freedom for it in the end to turn out as the freedom to destroy our home ourselves.
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Poglavnik_Majmuna01@reddit

Vienna being Balkan is a joke, why is everyone here discussing this seriously.
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crextiv@reddit

I live in Vienna and don't know why we are always Number 1 or Top 3. I would rather live in the Balkans but money/work is a problem there. I would get 2x less than in Vienna.
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Thronado@reddit

Well that's one of the reasons
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crextiv@reddit

It's just a city where you get a lot of social assistent. If you go to work, you're an idiot, because you pay for a lot of other people who never worked and never will. Lots of unemployed people, migrants, thefts, stabbings and our politicans sold our counrty to the EU. So fuck Vienna and Austria. It's a shithole.
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seanugengar@reddit

To begin with Vienna is not in the Balkans. I mean it would be cool to start saying it just to piss off central Europeans 😅 Apart from that, I am not sure if you have ever visited Vienna and some of the major Balkan cities but it's clearly night and day. From basic things like cleanliness, public transportation, walkability, safety, parks, night life etc, up to the cost of living, safety, medical infrastructure, educational infrastructure and more. Not to mention Vienna is beautiful. I have visited many cities but only 2 that I really considered moving to. Vienna and Utrecht and I ended up in Utrecht.
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morbihann@reddit

Because we did not have Empires to exploit the frontiers.
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Full-Rice-9287@reddit

Think you need to add that /s unfortunately. :’)
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rintzscar@reddit

Because Vienna is not on the Balkan Peninsula. Ask the same question with Sydney next time, it would make just as much sense.
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