People that have moved north for a better life, how's it going?
Posted by HollowWanderer@reddit | AskUK | View on Reddit | 362 comments
I live in northern Hampshire, which is nice, but the whole of the south-east's proximity to London makes it so expensive. I don't even like London. It's too big, it's too expensive, and it's too smug. Everything is there because everything has to be there, so everyone rushes in to offer themselves to the meatgrinder, in a place where they will never own property unless they come from generational wealth. Average people like me have no future here, so I will have to move. I find myself wishing my family was from places like Liverpool and Manchester, cities big enough that they have good opportunities, culture, community pride and spirit, but you can actually afford to live there. And you still have several to choose from, rather than one massive one (London) or a few other small towns nearby. I know it's common for Southerners to look down or mock people from the north, but I never bought into the stereotypes about Northerners, I just never had much contact with them.
How is life different there, for better or for worse?
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tfgyem@reddit
If you're cold, theyre cold.
Bring them inside.
KonkeyDongPrime@reddit
Weather is worse.
quarterpole@reddit
Would have to agree. The north of the UK sees much more rain than London which is actually fairly dry as far as cities go.
icemonsoon@reddit
a friend moved to scotland and said their summer is like the kent winter
Efficient_Hyena_7476@reddit
Scotland has a massively diverse climate. The West Highlands has about 300 days of rain a year, whereas Aberdeenshire is dryer than London, with cold, dry winds.
icemonsoon@reddit
so a lot like the south east in winter
sidneylopsides@reddit
There's also the east west difference, the west is wetter, so if you want dryer Northern weather you're better off easy of the Penines.
West-Ad-1532@reddit
I have a home in the Home Counties and an apartment in the Calderdale.
Here's my satirical take...
Calderdale does not simply exist. Calderdale is a monument to how not to modernise and be proud of a grim heritage.
It is the only part of Britain where the landscape looks like it is actively trying to push humanity back down the evolutionary ladder. The hills loom over you like disappointed parents. The wind does not blow; it interrogates. The rain does not fall; it hunts.
The roads feel like a threat. Whoever designed them either hated motorists or wanted to leave behind the world’s most cryptic suicide note. Every corner is blind, every slope is vertical, every junction is a trap. Calderdale driving is not transport; it is a survival genre. One hour to travel 5 miles and a train that has diesel poisoning, seats from 1902 and slower than a snail is standard.
The Home Counties glide around with their perfect grid systems and smooth tarmac, while Calderdale looks like the council laid the roads by rolling a drunk surveyor downhill and hoping for the best. Even the satnavs break into a nervous sweat once you pass the sign for Halifax.
The architecture has that charming, post-industrial gloom that makes every building look like it has seen things. Bad things. Even the new builds somehow look condemned. Everything is made of stone because nothing lighter survives.
Calderdale nightlife is a ritual sacrifice to chaos. People stumble through the streets like characters who were rejected from a gritty drama for being too bleak. You walk past twenty pubs and thirty arguments. Someone is always shouting. Carling fuelled head-butting contests. False eyelashes for the lasses and sleeve tats done by a mate called Dave for the lads.
Conversation in Calderdale is less communication and more weather-related trauma bonding. Every story ends with “…and then it rained sideways.” Even the gossip feels damp. People do not say hello; they say, “Eh, ugg, awreet, or fuck off"
The whole place carries an energy like it is permanently recovering from something it refuses to talk about. The hills loom, the sky broods, the streets glisten with that never-quite-dry sheen that suggests the atmosphere has given up.
And yet Calderdale marches on, grim, battered, indestructible, like a region powered by spite and bad weather. It is too stubborn to die and too angry to improve. A place where character is not built, time and culture have become trapped in 1645.
WheelyShoes@reddit
This is so wild to me, because I first moved to Calderdale in the early 2000s, then in 2015 moved to London for a few years, and missed the Calder Valley so much I moved back in 2020.
It's beautiful here, with incredible views, stunning hikes, fantastic little pubs, thriving markets, and friendly people. I don't recognise your description at ALL. But it does depend WHERE in the valley you are I expect.
I grew up down south and I'd never go back. Plus, two proper cities (Manchester and Leeds) a short train ride away, for if you need some city time.
West-Ad-1532@reddit
My post was a dark tongue-in-cheek.
Nevrtheless.
Economic Output: Calderdale's Gross Value Added (GVA) per head is approximately £20,330, statistically matching regional levels in Poland and Estonia.
Transport Funding: Public transport spending in London is £1,315 per person, whereas in West Yorkshire it historically averages less than £500 per person.
City Accessibility: While 67% of residents in major European cities can reach their city centre in 30 minutes via public transport, that figure falls to 40% in West Yorkshire.
Commute Times: Commuting from Calderdale towns like Hebden Bridge or Todmorden to Leeds or Manchester typically takes 45 to 80 minutes by rail, and significantly longer by bus.
Infrastructure Deficit: West Yorkshire remains the largest metropolitan area in Europe without a built-out mass transit (tram/metro) system, a standard feature in Eastern European cities of comparable size.
Brain Drain: National averages show commuting by rail in Britain takes 64 minutes on average, compared to 26 minutes by car, making private vehicle ownership a mandatory survival cost for 65% of the rural workforce.
I travel a lot both domestically and internationally; you can see and feel the area's development and how far it lags.
Yes, it has nice views, and Ryburn School is enjoyed by my kids. However, the traffic and the lack of gentrification and modernity are frustrating.
That accent. Dear me... Rough.
WheelyShoes@reddit
I mean, it doesn't read tongue in cheek when you read your other replies, and then this one 🤣
A lot of those stats are wrong for chunks of the valley: if you travel from Hebden it's maybe 25 mins to Manchester on a train, and under an hour to Leeds, for example.
It's also a bit unfair to compare the infrastructure of a section of British countryside to a city's. Saying that city residents can reach their city centre quicker than someone in a rural area can reach a city centre is a bit of a false equivalence (also, WHICH city, West Yorkshire has several. And the Calder valley is not the entirety of West Yorkshire)
Comparing the transport of an English rural valley to an Eastern European city also doesn't work. Especially in an area with complex environmental factors that make creating transport links etc. more challenging.
I'm not a car owner, not well off, not in a "fancy" bit of the valley and on the whole, the valley has everything I could want. That said, I'd not move back to the outskirts of 'Fax again, it is much neglected. Like anywhere, you need to choose your location within an area. I stand by the fact that Calderdale is a wonderful place to live if you want to live in the countryside.
It's ok if you don't like the valley. I love it. Different people find different places enjoyable. That's ok!
Oh, and I love the accent here ;-)
Ambitious_Test2390@reddit
I moved from London fringes to Calderdale in 2004 for housing costs . It’s vastly cheaper , chattier , prettier. Wild rural moors on my doorstep. Better place to raise my kids. May to August , I really like it.
However- the accent drives me insane, I never adapted to small town life and everyone knowing my business, it rains constantly October to March, it floods, I miss my homelands of course , the transport system here including roads and access to motorway is DIABOLICAL. I miss my family being twenty min drive away most of all and tbh if money was no object I’d move back tomorrow 😆
I’ve never heard anyone describe my experience better than you. And - you’ve cemented my decision that next year is the year I depart.
West-Ad-1532@reddit
I agree, the transport and highways are an absolute disgrace. Every journey feels like a personal endurance test, and the roads themselves seem designed to frustrate anyone who has ever enjoyed smooth traffic. I am not even sure, given the geography, if the highways and roads can realistically be improved. The nosiness is unbearable. Houses are packed so tightly that every conversation, every dog barking, every passing car is immediately under everyone’s gaze. People call it friendliness, but it is anything but. There is no privacy, no peace, and no escape from the relentless scrutiny of small-town life. Even in the so-called rural areas, people seem to have binoculars permanently glued to their faces, scanning the horizon, peering across the moors just to see what the neighbours are up to. It is as if the only point of having open space is to spy on each other.
Compared with London and the Home Counties, Calderdale is a misery disguised as charm. In the Home Counties, people have space, order, and autonomy. Roads and towns are designed to flow, and life can continue without everyone knowing everyone else’s business. Here, everything is compressed, damp, and suffocating. Streets flood, it rains relentlessly for months, and the familiarity that is supposed to be comforting feels like a leash. The moors might look wild and romantic, but they are just a backdrop to the daily grind of mediocrity. Living here is like being trapped inside a postcard that pretends to be beautiful while smelling of wet dog, frustration, and quiet despair.
Calderdale convinces you it is friendly and picturesque while making you long for anywhere else. It is a place that insists on intimacy, patience, and endurance while offering none of the autonomy, tidiness, or effortless efficiency that make life in London or the Home Counties feel livable. As if that were not enough, we are subjected to endless reruns of awful '90s rave music promoted by self-important locals pretending they were actually there. Most of them were not even born at the time, and ninety-nine per cent of the rest either listened to Now This Is Music or Meatloaf. The music itself is often butchered with worse mixing than you could imagine, blasting from tinny speakers like an auditory punishment, a shrill reminder of someone else’s teenage glory being forced on everyone else.
Calderdale is the kind of place that grinds down your tolerance for nonsense while wrapping it up in quaintness, misty moors, floods, rain, binocular surveillance, and the echoes of badly mixed nostalgia.
GirthVader180@reddit
Recently moved to Halifax and love it here, does seem to start raining whenever I leave the M62 though!
West-Ad-1532@reddit
When I return and the familiar hills appear as I exit the M62 there is a moment of comfort, but it is quickly followed by the feeling that the place needs a serious lift. The landscape is beautiful, but the towns feel stuck in time. What frustrates me most is the sense that some councillors do not have the breadth of experience or the ambition needed to move these areas forward. Reviving a district takes vision, confidence and an understanding of what successful towns elsewhere actually feel like, and I do not see much of that.
Calderdale needed genuine and widespread gentrification rather than small gestures that look nice in a brochure but never spread into the streets where people live and work. The Piece Hall is the perfect example. It is a remarkable space, something that could stand anywhere in the country, but the atmosphere inside it never carries through to the rest of Halifax. You step from an impressive civic space straight into streets that feel tired and overlooked.
Sowerby Bridge is caught in the same pattern. It has charm and potential, but it also has a worn and neglected feel. A clear-out of low-quality short-life businesses, the ones that spring up again and again, such as the endless barbers and vape shops, would be a good start. The town needs stronger planning, better design standards and a strategy that raises expectations instead of settling for whatever business happens to take a lease.
And when I compare all of this with places such as Olney or Towcester, towns/Hamlets that show obvious pride, care and investment, the contrast is sharp. Calderdale feels grim by comparison, not because it lacks character, but because it has not been given the focused attention or the bold thinking it deserves.
The potential is there. The views are there. The spirit is there. What is missing is leadership and vision that can bring the whole place up to the level it is capable of reaching.
Commander_Turtle1993@reddit
Grew up in a naff bit of Kent and lived in London through my late teens / early 20s before moving to Leeds.
I can't lie - to begin with, I absolutely hated it. I didn't have a car and we lived in a little town just outside the city that you need a car in because public transport up here isn't great, especially compared to the wonder of TFL.
Suddenly though, something changed and I absolutely fell in love with the city - I could afford a brand new 2-bed city centre flat with a huge balcony as a DINK couple with a parking space for my car for the price of what would get me a bedroom in an alright bit of London. I have now bought a house a 15 minute drive away where I have three bedrooms, a driveway, a garden and a dog - something I never imagined being able to have, and something I never would be able to have in London.
I went down recently with some friends before coming back up to Leeds with them and it was really eye-opening just how much better Leeds is. It's smaller, bustling but not unpleasantly busy, genuinely just feels a bit more friendly (not that I actually find Londoners unfriendly at all, but it's so large and busy, it can miss that warmth sometimes), people seem happier especially people working in bars etc, the food and drink quality is higher and cheaper, the nightlife is great and goes on past 11pm. It's the only place I've also not minded paying council tax as (whilst the roadworks take forever and drive me round the bend) you do see it being used to make improvements. It is so easy to access a huge amount of nature too - the Dales, the Moors, Golden Acre Park, Ilkley Moor, lovely villages like Haworth and Saltaire. I'm within a couple of hours of multiple major cities I can explore like Manchester, York, Liverpool... even Edinburgh is only 4 hours by train. It's the best of everything.
I've lived here since 2017 and I will never go back. My whole life is up here - my partner is local and I have so many friends and new family and such a high quality of life I would never have got down south. I can very safely say it was the best decision I made and I don't regret it for a second!
HollowWanderer@reddit (OP)
Would you mind if I asked what caused the move? Did you go to the university? And did you meet your partner in London or once you arrived?
Commander_Turtle1993@reddit
My ex wanted to move up here so I applied for a teacher training position in West Yorkshire. I was really, really against moving here initially but fell in love with the place. I then met my current partner in 2019 who is a local lad 😊 wish I'd gone to uni here tbh. I think it would have been so much better than doing uni in London as I did.
He and I did also live in London for a year and half for work (came back last year) and it really solidified how much better our quality of life is up north compared to there.
imnotabotimafreeman@reddit
Grew up and lucky to live in york, not as affordable as some northern towns but alot cheaper than the south. You can get a 3 bed house for the price of a 1 bed london flat and your hime from work by 5. Can walk or cycle into town in 20mins.
speculativeinnature@reddit
Oh I love York! Beautiful city!
imnotabotimafreeman@reddit
it is a nice place to live but everything is expensive compared to the surrounding area, from house prices to restaurants and pubs
BeneficialVariety171@reddit
Sooo not what the OP is asking then
imnotabotimafreeman@reddit
haha..nope i suppose not, but i can vouch for the more balance and affordable way of life. I have seen many friends who have moved south for work and all gradually come back north later in life after living in a flat for 20yrs with no garden.
Isgortio@reddit
I moved from Berkshire, to West Yorkshire, and then to Lancashire for university. I got a mortgage and bought a flat on my own, as a student, in Lancashire, and it's £320/month. If I wanted to buy near my parents I'd need a second person on the mortgage and a much larger income, and I'd probably end up with something worse than what I've got.
I feel like people are friendlier! But they are more difficult to understand sometimes, and they've got their own language for a couple of things.
The countryside is gorgeous, I'm loving all of the hills and mountains I drive through regularly.
The only thing I don't like is the weather isn't quite what I grew up with, it seems to rain a lot and it is colder for most of the year. But I'm getting used to it.
Fit_Peanut_8801@reddit
How did you get a mortgage as a student?
Isgortio@reddit
I had to go through a broker to get a "joint proprietor sole borrower" mortgage, but my brother is on the mortgage as a guarantor. I had a deposit already but I just needed someone else to say they'd cover the costs if I stopped paying. My brother automatically inherits the property if I pass away, but otherwise he has no claim to it and it doesn't impact his first time buyer status.
Fit_Peanut_8801@reddit
Interesting! I didn't know that was a thing! Very nice of your brother to help you out.
Isgortio@reddit
Neither did I! I went through a broker expecting to get a mortgage just for me but we weren't having any luck so the broker suggested it, he had to do full income checks on the people (my mum and dad failed the checks because they're approaching retirement and don't have enough saved), my sister refused, and my brother was happy to help.
My interest rate was a lot higher and I could only get a mortgage with limited providers but when I remortgaged after 2 years I was able to get normal rates, as I'm still a student I didn't pass the financial checks to be on the mortgage alone yet (they don't look at untaxed income such as student finance or bursaries, and I didn't earn enough working to pay tax) and would've needed to have gone through all of the checks again to change providers.
AllReeteChuck@reddit
It doesn't seem to rain a lot, it DOES rain a lot - Lancashire/Greater Manchester have cities in the top wettest areas if the country. I adore Lancashire with great cities and the lakes and pennines all on your doorstep, but with affordable housing and a nice sense of community. But... It's bloody damp and that makes the cold colder and summers more humid. Nice weather for ducks like.
mumof2sendhelp@reddit
I’ve lived in Kent and Cumbria, I found Kent far friendlier than Cumbria. It isn’t that cheap here and the local wages are relatively poor I’ll be moving away as soon as the kids are grown up All depends on what you are looking for ultimately!
Express-Motor8292@reddit
To balance a lot of this conversation though, it should be noted that the North is poorer than the South and a lot of this opportunity for buying a nice if house is something that is easier for people moving up from the South than for people that were born in the North.
That said, despite the fact there is more poverty and crime in the North, I’ve always felt the South feels a little soulless.
bezthespaniard@reddit
So you live in Farnham! I moved from Farnham to Lancashire and it’s the best thing I ever did.
Try it. You get one life. Go see what it’s like!
Ill-Coast-8328@reddit
During the pandemic, a lot of people moved from the south of England to the island where my parents live (inner hebridean). The majority lasted one winter, complained that Amazon prime didn't do next day delivery, cried about the lack of Uber eats and selfridges and fucked off as soon as they could. Some stayed, adapted and loved it. Everyone is different.
EyeAlternative1664@reddit
Sounds like me.
LemmysCodPiece@reddit
I am in Cornwall. Loads did similar and then realised that a house on the coast suddenly meant I shopping trip took 3 hours and the services were shite. They left.
SpencerMutant@reddit
To be fair we moved from Margate to Looe just as the pandemic was easing and it’s the worst place I’ve ever lived (lived in Brum, Oxford, London, year in NYC) mostly empty due to second home corner and the locals were very unfriendly, flipped the house after 12 months and never looked back.
LemmysCodPiece@reddit
I imagine it was a drive to Liskeard or Saltash to get any meaningful shopping.
FitTechnician3110@reddit
My uncle lives in Looe. No wonder he is depressed.
ProsodySpeaks@reddit
I think that's a little more north than op meant. Also more islandy.
emil_@reddit
OP put no limits to the northerness they're asking about
charlierc@reddit
Is the next step to move to the Faroe Islands?
emil_@reddit
Not mine, but i don't see why not
Aben_Zin@reddit
OP north, one might say.
ProsodySpeaks@reddit
Less north op might say
sundance464@reddit
Also slightly less built than the quaint provincial towns of checks notes Liverpool and Manchester
takesthebiscuit@reddit
What it lacks in Amazon it makes up with lots of Pete and Diesel!
Strange-Tea7949@reddit
To be fair, those limitations are present throughout the country. I live in the SE, but in a small village in between towns. I can't get Uber Eats, and Amazon deliveries are often delayed.
What I've discovered is that when I move home in the future, I'd prefer to live closer to a town to feel more connected and to have options on my doorstep rather than rely on a car.
As you've said, everyone is different. Some people prefer the isolation and quieter life; it does have its benefits. On the other hand, people only discover the drawbacks once they've experienced this lifestyle, so it's no surprise people later regret their decision.
I guess it comes down to personality, preference, stage of life, and acceptance of a new lifestyle.
palishkoto@reddit
Lack of Selfridges lol 😆
Is it Tiree?
Ill-Coast-8328@reddit
I don't think there is a selfridges on any of the hebridean islands
palishkoto@reddit
I know, I was guessing where this kind of person was ending up.
christianvieri12@reddit
I heard Islay is getting one, as well as an ikea
CarpeCyprinidae@reddit
the nearest Ikea to Islay is probably in Northern Ireland...
Ok-Application-8045@reddit
Do they have a Lacroix boutique? Sweety... Darling?
DenryuRocket110@reddit
I'd move there so Amazon Prime doesn't come too early. I like my deliveries to be on time or late.
NotOnYerNelly@reddit
Ha in my case it was the smell from the sheep fank that moved them on! Complained for ages about the smell and sight of it but our family have been on the Croft way longer.
BenjiTheSausage@reddit
I went to Shetland and saw this, you totally have to adjust things, but it was so much more chill
Akash_nu@reddit
In my experience I’ve seen this happen way more than people who actually loved and stayed.
EvilTaffyapple@reddit
Moved from Croydon to Leeds 24 years ago for Uni and didn’t ever move back.
I earn a decent salary which goes much further, own my own house, work from home in a small village outside Leeds with great access to the countryside and a walk down by the canal.
Couldn’t be better, actually.
csswizardry@reddit
Happy to have you here! The amount of Londoners who moved to Leeds for uni and never went home never ceases to amaze me.
EyeAlternative1664@reddit
I only visited Leeds a couple of times but really liked it. Wish i had gone there for uni. It was also like shooting fish in a barrel with lasses.
Professional_Sea_984@reddit
I visited Leeds for the first time this year (age 38). I couldn't believe it. The city is magnificent. I can't believe its not recommended by more people!
sqkz69oioi@reddit
Leeds is a wonderful city
Cuznatch@reddit
I grew up probably near OP, on the Berks/Surrey/Hants border. Moved to London for uni, lived it and lived there for 13 years. The last 2 years of that was on zone 8, and after getting a full wfh job, I found my I was traveling away from London, more than to it. Convinced with the prospect of raising our daughter there (my partner was raised in Thamesmead, so admittedly a negative-biased idea of growing up in London), we decided to move. Ended up in a lovely historic village in south Norfolk. We're still connected enough with a cat, supermarkets about 25 mi drive away, same with mainland rail stations.
The community of the village life is amazing the primary school is great, the surrounding areas are beautiful, and ultimately, London is 2 hours drive away, Norwich 45 mins, but a zoo 5 mins away, playground for the kids nearby, a handful of delivery places still. No regrets at all.
gagagagaNope@reddit
I did the reverse. Live in a house in a lovely leafy commuter town outside London, great access to the countryside. Wife came from Leeds.
Couldn’t be better, actually.
Swing, meet roundabout.
Dyalikedagz@reddit
Moving to Leeds from London at the end of the month! Very excited for all the things you describe.
Theratchetnclank@reddit
It's a lovely part of the world. Enjoy.
Feeling_Phrase1340@reddit
Vibing in central Leeds is pretty under-rated, you get like a little London experience. I used to live in a house that was walking distance for the centre which cost me about £90k, granted a rough area, but the quality of life can't be beat compared to in London.
jiminthenorth@reddit
As long as you avoid Wakefield you'll be ok. Especially the Inns of Court pub.
Right shithole.
SpringerGirl19@reddit
I'd argue there's plenty of places worse than Wakefield. But then of course, plenty that are better. Just Wakefield is definitely not at the bottom of the pile of some northern places you wouldn't want to aim for when relocating north.
jiminthenorth@reddit
Aye, Outwood for a start...
SpringerGirl19@reddit
I was thinking more like Bradford, Pontefract...
Tickytor@reddit
Have you been to Ponte recently? Its hardly a shithole. Cas on the other hand...
deathmetalbestmetal@reddit
Both Cas and Ponte are completely fine for the most part? Cas is now mostly new build estate and Xscape/Jct 32 anyway.
Thin-Dragonfruit2599@reddit
Wow Ponte catching some strays here. Some really nice parts. Ackworth and Badsworth for a start.
Beneficial_Ear9631@reddit
I moved to Leeds from Cambridge for uni in 93, ended up in Bradford. We have Bronte country here. Bradford City centre is packed full of beautiful buildings. It's glorious, and I can afford a large detached house for the price of a tiny flat in Cambridge!
jiminthenorth@reddit
Sharlston Common...
bourton-north@reddit
I’d rather live in Wakefield than Croydon that’s for sure.
Content-Lime-8939@reddit
It used to be a good pub 20 years ago, but it was full of teenagers last time I went in lol
Both-Friend-4202@reddit
I was raised in Croydon from the age of 8 to 18. I am amazed at the amount of building work now going on . You're not missing anything.
Priority_Novel@reddit
I’m 28 and still trying to figure out where the f I belong but I’m from a deprived Greater Manchester town, lived in Manchester City Centre for a year and London 6 months and I’m running back to London in 3 weeks even though:
Because
Ultimately I’ll likely move back to north to be close to family but for now, London gets to have me back!
sportstoaster@reddit
I completely agree with this, I've just turned 30 and live on the edge of GM, and I have the same issues as you. My family are all in Wiltshire and south London, except my parents. I've been planning to move to the south for some time - my parents recently told me they'd come round to the idea and are now actively looking to do the same thing. We all find we're more comfortable in the south, we can have a better quality of life, but things cost the same as Manchester does now, and the links to big cities are just as good as where we are in Manchester (in the case of London, significantly better). The job opportunities in my field are particularly lacking too, there are much better opportunities for me elsewhere.
To top it off, we all agree that people are just more pleasant down south, everyone up north seems to be miserable. I don't understand why people move to the north aside from the relative property values being a bit lower - but there's more to life than having a big house.
Priority_Novel@reddit
Ah it’s so weird cos I feel like materially, I’m better off in Manchester (on my current salary anyway), and objectively, ‘quality of life’ is better in Manchester.
I could get live in a higher spec flat with concierge and facilities, or 2/3 bed house with a garden, eat better and wear better clothes have more money to spend on going out and travelling, potentially save more.
But when you’re single with time on your hands, you end up basically exhausting all the activities around you, and now I’ve outgrown the drinking and clubbing habits, I just feel like there’s not much left for me to do in Manchester. That leads to boredom, and boredom for me leads to stress.
And this is where you’re right - I’d rather be stressed out about a smaller one bed flat/studio over being stressed about being bored and having nothing to explore.
sportstoaster@reddit
I don't drink, and the material side of 'quality of life' doesn't come into my lifestyle that much tbh. I don't care about having things like a concierge, and I already have a wardrobe full of good quality clothes I've got over time - and I've no need to replace those. I go on a few weekends away a year.
I do feel I've exhausted what Manchester has to offer, especially as there's a heavy focus on drinking culture which has no appear to me at all. I get bored here easily, I go on weekends away elsewhere in the country to attend the sort of events I like, with likeminded people that just aren't available here. I'm just sat around saving up money as I've no idea what to do with myself otherwise.
EsotericSnail@reddit
I’m happy for you. But I don’t know why you think Manchester has no access to arts or culture. We live near Manchester and go to a lot of theatre, opera, ballet, concerts, stand up, art galleries, museums etc. Manchester is rich in culture and I wouldn’t want southerners reading this thread to get the wrong opinion.
Priority_Novel@reddit
I didn’t say Manchester had no access to arts and culture, I said I had none growing up - likely as a result of my background and other socio-economic factors.
But you can’t deny the sheer volume and variety is bigger in London, even just counting the number of museums and galleries in each city shows how stark it is.
I don’t like that there’s an inequity, don’t get me wrong, and I don’t want to get all political about it, but for the life stage I’m at and my personality, London is just the preference for me.
EsotericSnail@reddit
London is a much bigger city for sure and has even more arts and culture venues than Manchester. And I didn't mean to argue with your preference at all. Everyone gets to prefer what they prefer.
And it makes sense to say you didn't have access to arts and culture when you were young, not because it wasn't there but for other reasons.
I just wanted to clarify for other Redditors that there is lots of arts and culture in Manchester. It's probably second only to London (in the UK) in that regard.
DutchOvenDistributor@reddit
I live in Manchester and love it, but London has it beat many times over on this front.
Aegono@reddit
I moved from Birmingham to Manchester and completely agree, love it here
butineurope@reddit
Totally get that restless soul thing and London feeling right as a result
Priority_Novel@reddit
You get it haha - just getting up on a Saturday morning and saying ‘ah f**k it! I feel like doing something different today’ and having it only 30 mins - 1 hour away
Aggravating-Land7848@reddit
as someone one from the East Midlands who spent 5 years in Manchester, (and had a great time), but has spent most of their adult life in London, I second this. I don't dislike the north & I still have the biggest heart for northerners themselves but I find the constant opportunity for new things & experiences that London offers trumps all the other stuff. I'm in my 50's now & have never wanted to move back up the country
Riovem@reddit
Welcome back!
peachesnplumsmf@reddit
The joys of being priced out of where you live by southerners who keep exclaiming about how wonderfully cheap the houses are
Both-Friend-4202@reddit
Every area I have ever lived in London including Tooting, Balham ,Clapham, Brixton and Hackney is experiencing this phenomenon. Working class areas with cheap houses attract gentrification. Seaside towns like Hastings and Margate are awash..😉.. with Londoners.
StrangeRun5537@reddit
No. It's shit up here. Absolutely shit. Don't come, and tell all the other southerners not to bother moving here either.
Both-Friend-4202@reddit
🤣
Ragemonk7@reddit
we mock you guys as well fuck it lol
Ill-Coast-8328@reddit
From this thread, I realise that I didn't know what southerners class as the North.
Traditional-Idea-39@reddit
surely sheffield is the least northern city
SheikhDaBhuti@reddit
People talk about a North/South divide, but I think it doesn't work without the Midlands or lines that don't lie horizontal.
For me, the Midlands/South border is roughly from the mouth of the River Severn to the Lincolnshire/Norfolk border on the East coast. The Midlands/North border is if you took a line between the mouths of the River Mersey and the Humber.
Anyone near the borders can argue amongst themselves as to where the lines lay.
charlierc@reddit
Maybe that's why the arguments about the north/south divide are so prevalent given the Midlands is so hazily figured out
Annayume@reddit
As a northerner, I consider anything south of Sheffield as “the south” lol
charlierc@reddit
I grew up in Buckinghamshire and tbf think you start to feel more like you're in the north somewhere between Nottingham and Sheffield
No-Aspect-4304@reddit
Draw a line from the mersey to sheffield then up to the humber, above that is the north
charlierc@reddit
It's all relative, right? I've heard people from Brighton consider London as northern
wildOldcheesecake@reddit
I’m from London. My mum was properly convinced I’d catch my death of cold when I went to uni up north. Told everyone and their dog just as much too. Had me packing all sorts of winter warmers and insisted I bought the highest dog duvet going.
I only went to Warwick.
No-Aspect-4304@reddit
Thats the midlands??
wildOldcheesecake@reddit
Yep
Flugelhaw@reddit
Having moved from Glasgow down to Liverpool, I have come to realise that the locals don't appreciate being called southerners, even when they are (logistically) more or less in the middle by car when considering the drive between Glasgow and London.
The people from Inverness and Aberdeen seem to enjoy talking about Glasgow as being in the south.
Apparently, north and south are quite relative to where you happen to be measuring from ;)
Bigbesss@reddit
To be fair scotland is pretty southern compared to the north pole
m205@reddit
Sorry if this comes off rude but this perspective is just... Wrong 😅 When people say 'southerner' and 'northerner' they're almost unequivocally referring to the south and north of England, not the UK as a whole.
restless-researcher@reddit
Haha I think Scotland is just a different thing altogether, classically when people are talking about The North they mean the north of England, not Scotland (or they’d say Scotland)
chicken_nugget94@reddit
I once worked away in Norwich with someone from the London office. They told me 'they had never been up north before'.
Visual-Walk-6462@reddit
anything north of exeter
Ok-Exam6702@reddit
I live in Kingsbridge, South Devon and Exeter’s the far north.
mozchops@reddit
😄
VirusWonderful5147@reddit
Oxford, and all points beyond.
silverblossum@reddit
I'm not who the question is aimed at, but as a Londoner who appreciates lots of other UK cities, loves camping and hiking and is pretty well travelled - the negative experiences people are sharing here of London don't resonate with me. My neighbours are really lovely, we go for a pint with quite a few of the folks up my street. We go for walks in the nearby woods. My commute isn't miserable. I own a house and I don't come from a family that could help me with that financially. Never been mugged or a victim of any crime in the 18 years I've loved here. We are considering moving further north in the longer term but London has been good to me.
deltic12@reddit
Moved from Andover over 20 years ago to Durham, best move I ever made……..
MaryMaryQuite-@reddit
I moved Bournemouth to Chester and loved it. The Home Counties are ridiculously expensive . Our quality of life was suddenly so much better.
elbapo@reddit
Hiya from chester. Sshhh don't tell them.
MaryMaryQuite-@reddit
🤭
elmo298@reddit
Love it, but miss the sea and the crime levels fucking suck up here
dopexvii@reddit
We moved to Bridlington from Leeds.
I gotta say I don't much miss it. We got a lot more property for our money. I'm ten minutes walk to the sea and about the same into the fields, we're a short drive to other towns etc that we don't feel isolated or stranded and we don't have to deal with city b/s
I guess it's a bit disappointing that somethings arnt always available on a whim, but hey that what the internets for just order it in.
Lomael@reddit
I moved from a small town in North Hampshire to Prestwich, Manchester. Everyone is so much more friendly here, I never feel I have to prove myself, people just accept you for who you are. The cost of living was a lot cheaper up here and still is compared to London but, property prices and rents have increased significantly in the past couple of years. I would wholeheartedly advice you to move up here as long as you aren't afraid of someone on the bus saying hello to you! Ha ha
kiradax@reddit
Worth considering the central belt of Scotland. Close to Glasgow and Edinburgh and if you're on the train line it's even quicker.
Whatsthescoreee@reddit
I’m from a small market town in northern Hants (likely the same one you’re referring to) and moved to Newcastle for that exact reason. Life is great. My DM’s/chat are open
Aware_Algae_7555@reddit
I'm from Liverpool but loved in London for a while. I moved back and I'm SO happy I did. It's much more manageable in size. It's got more than enough going on and the people are genuinely friendlier.
Zephinism@reddit
I moved from Bournemouth to Wigan in June 2024.
1 bed flat in Bournemouth I was paying £1000 on rent alone, plus bills etc.
Wigan I got a 3 bed terraced house to myself for £825/mo. Met someone up here within 6 months of being here, moved in with her last month and we're paying £650 for a 2 bed semi detached.
Houses are 1/3 the price. Can go into Wigan, Manchester, Liverpool, Leigh, Warrington, etc there's always something going on Vs Bournemouth which stagnated hard during and after COVID.
My only regret is that I didn't move sooner tbh.
HollowWanderer@reddit (OP)
Out of interest, where/how did you meet your partner? I like hearing people's stories
Zephinism@reddit
I was at a market in Leigh and we bumped into each other in one shop, apologised and had a quick brief 30 second chat. Went to another shop and lo and behold she bumped into me again! We got chatting, I made her laugh and she gave me her number. Showed me a nice pub for me to take her out to, been dating since. :)
HollowWanderer@reddit (OP)
That's beautiful. Thank you for sharing
TalProgrammer@reddit
That’s coincidence. I am from Wigan but have family in the Bournemouth area around Wimborne. My Dad was from a very large family and one of his brothers moved down there many years ago. So I have three cousins who live there.
I have a fairly unique surname and few years ago there was a web site you could put your surname in to find the distribution of it. There was one blob in the North West and another in the Bournemouth area.
I myself lived in London for 12 years, had a great time there but moved back up north to Chester. It is very convenient for Liverpool, Manchester and North Wales. Regularly travel to Wigan to watch the RL.
Inevitable-Debt4312@reddit
Just come and live in heaven - sorry, North Yorkshire.
HollowWanderer@reddit (OP)
My nan was originally from Bradford so a bit of it is in me
petronisoup@reddit
My sister lives in Saltaire next to Shipley and it's ace! Great community feel, some lovely shops and cafes, and good links into Leeds. Would defo recommend you going back to that area to explore it as an option.
We are from Sheffield and I've stayed there, and I love the balance of being able to go into the countryside for chill time, or hop on the motorway to visit cities / the seaside / historical sites. There's so much to do in so many places in Yorkshire, and we're a nice bunch too!
Sil_Lavellan@reddit
Home of the best Vegan Café (i hope it's still there).
Beneficial_Ear9631@reddit
I'm already in Bradford, having moved north from Cambridge for uni in 93. I'm a few miles from Shipley in West Bradford at the moment, but I'm planning to move to Shipley or saltaire next year, once my kids have left school. There's such a lot going on there, it has great pubs and restaurants and fantastic public transport, which is the big thing I'm missing at the moment.
I briefly thought about moving to London, cos I have a lot of friends there, but it's prohibitively expensive. I'd be better off visiting by train once a month 😁
nonsequitur__@reddit
I agree that North Yorkshire is heaven! If I could, I would live there in a heartbeat.
First_Willingness846@reddit
Heartbeat. See what you did there.
No-Club3690@reddit
Absolute class! Lol
deathmetalbestmetal@reddit
Lots of it is a lot more expensive than the rest of the North though!
TodgerRodger@reddit
No need for the North pal!
Sil_Lavellan@reddit
Moved from a crappy town in North Hampshire 20 years ago. I don't regret it at all. I'm barely in the Midlands but it's just so much more affordable and nicer.
My Aunt was the last family member to leave the Hampshire area about 3 weeks ago. She's gone south east.
Efficient_Hyena_7476@reddit
Own a 3 bed house near Liverpool and pay less each month for the mortgage than I paid for a rented single room in a flat share in London in 2019. That flat had no lounge or garden.
London and the home counties is only affordable if you are either rich, or on Universal Credit with housing payments.
HollowWanderer@reddit (OP)
I really like the idea of Liverpool because of the culture, affordability, size, and local pride, as well as the proximity to the other northern powerhouses if needed. It's just a shame I'm so far away because all of my family would still be four hours down south
The_39th_Step@reddit
Born in London, grew up in Kent, Wiltshire and Berkshire. I moved up to Manchester for uni 11 years ago and never moved back. It’s a great city with lots going on. Renting is similarly priced to where I grew up but with much more to do and many more opportunities. Buying is still cheaper.
I really recommend the move.
Turbantastic@reddit
Nothing like southerners moving north and gentrifying whole areas, local people now can't afford to live in the areas they grew up in. When you go back to the place you grew up and see nothing but wanky bars that locals couldn't afford to drink in, wanky restaurants that locals couldn't afford to eat in and wanky blocks of flats (over £1k a month for a one bedroom box) that locals couldn't afford to live in...... Manchester is now just a mini London, it's not the same place I grew up in.
Both-Friend-4202@reddit
The BBC Media City effect. On a more positive note. The Mancunian painter LS Lowry now has an art gallery, theatre and bar dedicated to him and his paintings.Gentrification in the right way.
No_opinion17@reddit
I wouldn't be able to afford moving back to Manchester now, and the vibe has really changed. All the tall apartment blocks look shit aswell.
Where do the Northerners gk when they can no longer afford houses? Scotland? Where do the Scots go?
Turbantastic@reddit
We definitely couldn't afford to live in Manchester again, friends who still live there are just fucked with the cost of rent alone.
We've ended up in Scotland now for the last few years, we will most likely end up going back to Ireland once our personal situation allows it.
No_opinion17@reddit
My friends that are still around have moved further and further out as they can't afford it. Some are now halfway to Leeds or Sheffield. It's bonkers. I planned to move back after a few years away living with a partner but it will never happen now. It's only going to get worse.
pomegranate_pencil@reddit
Currently in a market town in Hampshire and feeling the same.
R2-Scotia@reddit
London isn't necessarily everything. It is now #2 to Edinburgh's #1 in pcGDP. Glasgow is a global centre in spacecraft manufacturing. Dundee for video games.
Ok_Bumblebee_2196@reddit
I moved from Hampshire back up to my Lincolnshire homeland a few years ago and I've never looked back. Get a train to London once a week or fortnight or so for work. I love it up here but I'm rural at heart and my family support network is here. Lincolnshire is not a place to come if you want urban liveliness.
Ill-Coast-8328@reddit
Is Lincolnshire the North?
bongo0070@reddit
Compared to Hampshire it might as well be. London is up north to me.
restless-researcher@reddit
I think this depends where in Lincolnshire, it’s a big county. The top of Lincolnshire is level with Manchester and not far from Hull, but the bottom is definitely midlands / the South to me. The east is a bit different though to me (from the NW), when people talk about the North East I think we tend to mean places further north than places in the NW, like Newcastle
tomwaitsgoatee@reddit
Not last I checked
Ipoopedinthefridge@reddit
My daughter went off to uni near liverpool, she loves it up there and has decided she’s not coming back down once uni’s over.
Tight-Possession4476@reddit
As a parent that makes me feel sad.
Ipoopedinthefridge@reddit
It is, but training to be a nurse she doesn’t have a hope in hell of being able to buy a family home here in the south downs. I honestly don’t blame her - she gets a lot more bang to buck up there and has the opportunity of a better quality of life.
Both-Friend-4202@reddit
There was a council scheme to save derelict Victorian houses in the Baltic Triangle area of Liverpool. People could purchase a house for £1 and do it up themselves. There was a TV programme about it.
TastyBerny@reddit
This is not so utopia project.
People used to live in their houses in a vibrant community, but I think the “pathfinder“ housing project spearheaded by John Prescott maybe 20 years ago now the residence were forcibly evicted and compulsory purchases were put in place against the locals wishes of people were forced out of their homes.
Remember this was at great expense to the local council ie the council tax payers.
The ration seemed to be that we had “scallies” living in some those houses which depressed the local housing market and the big brain solution was to demolish all of those Victorian streets, including the former home of Ringo Starr so that the land could then be given/sold at an attractive price to big house developers who could build Barrett home Estates.
What ever happens is for global financial crash suddenly nobody was interested in building new housing estates so houses sat empty and derelict for decades and were slipped with anything valuable including the lead on the rooftops, which rainwater are made from structurally unsound giving many of them a value of exactly £1.
… And Liverpool Council are now basking in the glory of the progressive housing policy and innovative solutions to their derelict properties and being praised for it on the Internet by people that don’t know the full story.
They managed to destroy communities, waste tens of millions of pounds and destroy housing stock and neighbourhoods for decades.
Both-Friend-4202@reddit
As a local you know the situation from the inside. Thanks 👍
vvvvaaaagggguuuueeee@reddit
Aye there was a street in Stoke that did this when I lived there. Auctioned the houses starting at a quid. When you got the house, though, you got a loan of 30/40k (something like that) to just spend on renovating them. Like their windows were gone, utilities disconnected, graffiti all over etc.
So a quid for a house? Well kind of but not really haha. Still a great idea for regenerating certain parts of a city. I remember this particular street was on a prominent bus route, so maybe that also helped with the project's visibility.
phatboi23@reddit
one of the streets that did that on the outside of hanley, pretty sure they just ended up being knocked down and brought out by a developer.
Both-Friend-4202@reddit
💯
TachiH@reddit
The TV programme kind of hid the fact you needed to have the cash in hand to complete all renovations, so they mostly went to fairly wealthy people. They also had strict rules in the deed like not being able to rent them out or sell for x number of years.
Still way cheaper than a house but you couldn't mortgage for the work needed doing.
Both-Friend-4202@reddit
Ok 👍
curioustis@reddit
Of course she would be able to buy in the south
No one normal gets their dream house in their 20s, just got to be reasonable and move up as you get older
chicken_nugget94@reddit
Dunno, a couple of my mates have just bought their first homes up north, 3 or 4 bedrooms and a big garden, for the same money than gets a 2 bed flat down here. If you want to start a family that extra space is a no brainer
Jolly-Minimum-6641@reddit
Not this dribble again. The "young" absolutely do have "starter homes" - they're just rented starter homes and it's not unreasonable to put your hard saved cash towards something nicer, no?
luciferslandlord@reddit
People are pushed/pulled to what they can afford. It is tragic.
No_Coyote_557@reddit
It's tragic oop north.
luciferslandlord@reddit
It's tragic that house price increases mean we can't live near friends and family.
HurloonMinotaur@reddit
When the quality of life in Liverpool is better than home you have to ask yourself some serious questions.
nonsequitur__@reddit
In take it you’re clueless?
reditcyclist@reddit
Snob
frlawton@reddit
I didn't think it was possible either, but with buying schemes and a decent mortgage broker it turns out home ownership in the South Downs isn't impossible for normies. It ended up being cheaper and better in every regard than living in or around Basingstoke.
Ipoopedinthefridge@reddit
That’s actually really interesting to hear!
Strange-Tea7949@reddit
It's a shame you're being downvoted and your comment is being taken as a "selfish view" when I think it's clear what you meant.
Any parent close to their child would be sad to see their child move across the country where a close connection, e.g., regular in-person visits, wouldn't be possible.
As someone that has a number of family members living over 5 hours away, you undoubtedly feel disconnected from their daily lives.
You can undoubtedly be sad without it being selfish. Living elsewhere might give your child better opportunities, and you might not like them moving away, but that doesn't mean you can't be sad or express how you feel.
Akash_nu@reddit
Wait until she starts to look for jobs.
Ipoopedinthefridge@reddit
Nursing - so hopefully between Manchester and liverpool having big hospitals she’ll manage to find a job somewhere on a ward around there.
SaltyName8341@reddit
So sad for you that your daughter is now a Scouser 😁
saggy_meat_flaps@reddit
Nicest people you will ever meet. There's scum there but you can't beat the community spirit.
Welcoming bunch of cunts.
SaltyName8341@reddit
I'm from Manchester so it's in jest actually love scousers
r1Rqc1vPeF@reddit
Moved from NW to SW for work 20+ years ago. Retired now. Nothing for me here. Need to go back home.
Key_Thanks_8144@reddit
Half a litre of vodka and 3 spliffs made me throw up
Sufficient-Clerk-910@reddit
Just want to add this is not true. Two of my friends very recently got on the housing market all by themselves with no help from their family (especially because their family is abroad where earning is far lower than UK)
catjellycat@reddit
There’s loads about this post that isn’t true but it’ll be devoured by the anti-London brigade.
I work in education and own a property in London. It’s not easy but it’s not completely impossible either (no, I haven’t inherited any money either). I wouldn’t describe myself as in a meat-grinder either, nor are most people. I love London and don’t ever see myself living anywhere else. I’m very grateful my kids got to grow up here too.
I’m sure lots of places up north are wonderful to live. Some will be shit. That’s the nature of existence. There’s also a spectrum. I imagine living in York is different to living in Redcar is different to living in the middle of the moors and so on.
People have to like where they live and no one place would suit everyone. I love walks and reading and crochet and being out in nature. I’d still bloody hate living in the countryside. Doesn’t mean the countryside is bad. Just not for me.
intrepid_foxcat@reddit
Ooh let's play. Let me guess..
1) didn't inherit but got a helping hand 2) rich spouse 3) older and got in before 2010 4) live outside zone 3 or in a shoebox 5) combination of above
catjellycat@reddit
Secret option 6 - I used a Help to Buy scheme.
Both-Friend-4202@reddit
Would love to live in the countryside..but I need access to a major hospital.
TalProgrammer@reddit
Can be done. The photo in the link was taken 250m from where I live and I am two miles outside Chester city centre and of course Chester had a major hospital. The hills in the background are the Cambrian hills of North Wales
https://photos.app.goo.gl/32AxSwjcwcwaChbv8
Both-Friend-4202@reddit
Thanks.Very beautiful. I was thinking about areas in the Cotswolds. I once visited a pretty village which was 12 miles away from Stratford upon Avon..with one bus route and a bus that only arrived 5 times a day. The ambulance 🚑 station was also 12 miles away along with the hospital. I can no longer drive so I can't take the risk.
TalProgrammer@reddit
I lived in London for 12 years (from Wigan originally), loved it and eventually bought a two bedroom flat in Walthamstow. Career took me back up north to Chester which is not particularly cheap. Bought a small three bedroom house. Cost about £12k more than I sold the flat for. Eventually moved to a bigger four bedroom house when kids came along. Now if I look online I can see my old flat would cost more than my first three bedroom house was sold for fairly recently like double. It would be impossible to move from my current house into a comparable property in Walthamstow without stumping up a heck of a lot of money.
So I have no doubt you can buy something in London especially of you are already on the property ladder but the question is what and where?
ebola1986@reddit
To get a shit two bed place in zone 3 you'll be looking at minimum 600k. That's a 60k deposit plus a 2400 per month mortgage. The minimum affordability for that is 75k each, and that's with fuck all left for fun which ain't how Londoner's live.
Sufficient-Clerk-910@reddit
It is achievable by definition as lots of people achieve it. The uncomfortable truth is people in London earn good salaries. Median wage is £50k, so for a couple that is a combined income of £100k before tax.
deafearuk@reddit
Also perfectly easy to earn comparibly similar amounts up north. Between my gf and I we earn around £115k before tax, but her wage is going to rise soon now that she's moving to the private sector so within a few years we should be getting close to £150k. We live in a small village, but mega city 4 is only 25 mins away on public transport, and mega city 3 is an hour in the car.
I'd imagine our wages go much further than a couple earning similar down south. Also we each own a house that we bought each with no additional help.
All the mates I know who have nice houses in London went from uni to the city, worked for 10 years and then quit having earnt their millions. I doubt most people in London are doing that.
HollowWanderer@reddit (OP)
What is mega city 4 and 3?
deafearuk@reddit
Liverpool and Manchester
intrepid_foxcat@reddit
No it isn't, it's £50k. So... explain how you're presumably meant to save a £100k deposit on that whilst paying £1k pcm on rent? Even if you do, we're talking about just managing an eye watering mortgage for a 2 bed flat somewhere. And that's you for life, two people working full-time to live in a shoebox. God forbid you want kids, or get sick, or any other reason you might not be able to work because you'll be royally fucked.
London is a video game that is ultra hard mode for anyone without generational wealth. For the small % of people taking home over £100k they can also live perfectly comfortably, but that's the exception not the rule.
Sufficient-Clerk-910@reddit
£50k is the median, £64k is the mean.
intrepid_foxcat@reddit
Median is preferred because it is not skewed by a small percent of stratospheric salaries, and gives a much better description of the distribution of income in the population.
And even that's just of people who are working. So we're assuming two people.. why am I even arguing this lol it's nonsense.
Sufficient-Clerk-910@reddit
Median can indeed be skewed because it doesn't show the distribution very well. Here is a median salary range of 5 people of £50k:
£10k £10k £50k £500k £500k
intrepid_foxcat@reddit
Yes and in reality, in UK salaries, the distribution is more like a hockey stick than whatever nonsense you're imagining, median reduces the effect of those outliers
Sufficient-Clerk-910@reddit
Let's go with £50k. I'm still not sure why you find so hard to imagine a couple on a combined income of £100k buying a flat in Zone 2/4?
intrepid_foxcat@reddit
I don't find it hard at all. I just know it's decades of work to live in a shoebox, for a childfree dual income household which is not actually that common. And on the UK people historically had higher expectations for their qol than that.
I don't see why that is hard to imagine tbh
Sufficient-Clerk-910@reddit
As you already pointed out yourself, it is the median salary...?!
intrepid_foxcat@reddit
Read again, that clause comes after me talking about dual income childfree households, not the salaries - I'm saying the former is not that common.
GordonLivingstone@reddit
Never lived in London and never will at my current age. I've visited and can see the attractions - apart from the price of property. I might be able to trade my 3 bed paid-off detached house for a one bed flat in London outside the centre.
However, evidently sufficient people do make enough money to pay these prices. It has to be just about affordable for enough people. If it wasn't then the prices would fall. So, obviously very difficult but must seem worth it to a lot of people.
hoopjoness@reddit
Really happy. The nature is wilder and quieter- its made me much more outdoorsy because there’s so much wilderness to explore. cheaper cost of living is great too
ahhwhoosh@reddit
Is that The Wirral? I’m not familiar with the North
No_opinion17@reddit
The Wirrall?! 🤣
bugtheft@reddit
Beautiful - where is this?
hoopjoness@reddit
Lake District :)
coffeewalnut08@reddit
I love all the gorse
palishkoto@reddit
What a beautiful pic!
mozchops@reddit
It has fantastic lighting
christianjwaite@reddit
Did it the other way. Brought up on Lancashire side near Hebden Bridge, moved to London 25 years ago, own my own house, we’ll have a mortgage on one. I wouldn’t move back.
If it wasn’t for work I’d consider Manchester or Leeds, maybe Sheffield, but I couldn’t live in one of the small towns again.
Brilliant_Bake4200@reddit
I will probably get downvoted for this but it’s not true that you cannot own a property in London without generational wealth. Yes it’s very difficult I don’t dispute that, but salaries in London are comparably higher to the rest of the country (of course industry really makes a difference here). But I know many people in their 30s who are buying property without support and I find this defeatist attitude really does people a disservice. A lot of the time when people say they can’t buy property they mean they can’t buy a house in a nice area with a garden. Which is fair and true. But there are other options.
SeaworthinessOdd9380@reddit
I didn't go north, I went west instead. I spent a large portion of my life in the south east, and couldn't afford to buy a house I liked in the area. Too many in my price range needed a lot of work, had very little garden space, were one and a half to two beds, and I didn't like the streets. Decided to expand my search, I have some family and friends who live in the west of England to help me narrow it down. I now live in a house on the edge of the Cotswolds AONB, have a good link of PRoWs nearby (I love hiking with my dog), the home isn't the prettiest in terms of the style of building but it's a good size with plenty of room for my family, fantastic garden space, and yeah it's been nearly 6 months and I'm loving it. My neighbours are nice and friendly, there's a nice community in the local town, and I have access to things I like, nature, swimming spots, art groups, and great pubs.
The only downside so far has been my job, even though it can be done remotely, is still based in the south east so I'd like to change that in the near future. My opinion is life is for living, whilst moving is a big stress, if you think you'd be happier somewhere else start looking into it.
MrMotorcycle94@reddit
Small Market town in Northern Hampshire makes me think Petersfield?
bunchofenoki@reddit
I’m happier here. It’s beautiful, calm, and the people are friendlier. Still adjusting to no Deliveroo, Uber Eats, or takeaway, but it’s better for my wallet and waistline.
Otherwise-Cable6139@reddit
Can you do us all a favour and just stay where you are please?
Diavoletto21@reddit
I lived up North for about 4 years. It was the best period of my life due to having so much disposable income.
I moved to a market town in Hampshire too, we could be in the same town. As nice as it is here, I will be going back up North in the next year or two.
One_Trouble_9357@reddit
I’m a Londoner and I moved to a small town about 20 miles South of York. Now, I wouldn’t live anywhere else. I have easy access to rail and the motorway network and lots of green open spaces. No going back for me.
Silly_Length_1052@reddit
I moved from north London so Suffolk. Only a little north tbh. Quality of life is 10x better imo. the people are nicer, theres a sense of community, views are better, housing is cheaper, and its safer. Best move I ever made.
quarterpole@reddit
Have to say I’ve worked in both Manchester and Leeds — but live in Cheshire. I like both cities and Leeds for me feels better suited to consider settling. It’s got culture and everything you want in a city, yet still has great access to the coast and national parks.
Manchester for me personally is feeling cramped and worse for its expansion, but feels considerably bigger than Leeds. I can image Leeds being a very different feel to London and think Manchester probably has a bit more going on.
Alternatively, some places in Cheshire are lovely and it’s very affordable. It’s a bit of a trek into both cities, but manageable a couple of days a week, so long as you place yourself near the M56 / M6. There’s just not a fat lot going on and you’ll need to drive!
dasrofflecopter@reddit
OP: London is smug (what?) Everyone else: smugly posting about their big houses in other parts of the country
milkymatt@reddit
It's great!
I grew up in Sussex, had a 'great' circle of friends. Then the pandemic hit and realised those friends weren't so great after all. Met some people online who are all from the north, became close friends with them. After a bit of good timing and luck happened that gave me the opportunity to move northwards and be closer to my substantially better friends. Now live in York and am so much happier for it. My job is the same, as I fully work from home. Now starting to make friends with locals as well.
AndrewShute@reddit
i moved from birmingham to merseyside (2000 to wirral) then moved to Lancashire in 2020 . air quality i found the biggest change, house prices too though i think the gap has closed on the latter , i had to spend prolonged periods back in ‘brum’ two years ago air quality (as an asthmatic) is still poor compared to ‘up north’ . i love it up here, i might be fortunate but neighbours are ‘there for me’ and likewise.
RevolutionaryTea1265@reddit
Moved from North Hampshire to the East Midlands almost ten years ago, never going back, massive improvement in quality of life and reduction in overall costs and outgoings.
Acceptable-Extent-94@reddit
I live overseas now but the last few times I have visited family in Sunderland I have met folk who have moved there from the south. They all loved the experience. One fella was almost in tears telling me that he switched from working at Gatwick to Newcastle airport, making the same money and able, in his mid-40's to finally buy a 3 bedroomed house.
confused-leprechaun@reddit
Luton to Nottingham here.
I was born and raised in Luton. Its literally paradise up here. Cheaper too
nonsequitur__@reddit
Isn’t Nottingham in the Midlands?
Electrical_Active180@reddit
yes and no, its the most northern city in the midlands and Sheffield which is up the road literally is the most southern city in the North so its kinda a gateway. Nottingham has more in common with Leeds than it does say Birmingham. Nottingham accents sound northern too. But yeah it's kinda in the middle like Keenan and Kel.
Emergency-Ad-5379@reddit
The title says moved north not "to the north" as in relatively north
Emergency-Ad-5379@reddit
Welcome
Fair_Project2332@reddit
Moved from London to Northumberland in stages over 10 years.
Fair_Project2332@reddit
Sorry.. premature post. I made the move permanent during COVID. No regrets. London has culture and nightlife but the long commutes by bus and tube between work, shared flat, shops, gym etc left me with little time or energy or cash for anything but the daily grind.
Now I have a 2 bed house within 10 mins walk of a cinema, pool, farmers market, concert hall, park, woodland, hospital, restaurants. I have a real social life, a dog, hobbies, none of which I could imagine in London.
UncleSnowstorm@reddit
That's not even that close to London, though. I'm guessing you're talking at least 2 hours drive and over an hour on the train.
If you go the same time/distance north you'll be firmly in the midlands, where things will be a lot cheaper and you'll have other cities nearby as well.
Electrical_Active180@reddit
I'm from the Midlands and a lot of pals move south / London and I moved more north but am not in the north north.
I went to London on business last week and I find it genuinely shocking how different it is to the rest of England and how competitive and mean spirited it feels down there.
I think people get deep into sunk cost thinking in London "just one more wage increase and I am one up on the ladder" "just one more year and I can move to somewhere with one more bedroom" but honestly it feels for my friends there its just a game that is rigged against them.
Its fair to say the North isn't all rosy and horrific poverty exists there too and deindustrialization has left scars that could shock anyone, but it feels like when you're there you are in the mix of people and financial and social interactions don't feel like competitions.
Literally everything feels like you are playing an RPG in London trying to out skill and out maneuver everyone else. People love the fact its multicultural and multi everything really but it just feels like a social and economic hunger games to me. It's hard to explain but its an oppressive feeling.
Even in the bigger cities in the North it just doesn't feel like that.
MushroomOutrageous@reddit
I moved from London to Manchester. It's ok, although I prefer London. Manchester is much more affordable though and easier to navigate, because of its size, there is everything you here and you don't have to travel for hours. The only thing that puts me off is the litter and some places seem to be very deprived. I don't think the Northerners are very keen on so many people moving here, as it puts the prices up.
Foddley@reddit
Sheffield born and lived here all my life. One thing I've always appreciated is it's only a couple hours drive to almost anywhere you might want to go. London doesn't take long down the M1, traffic permitting. East coast, west coast, no issue at all. Then North up through Leeds and into the Dales if you wish, all within 2hrs.
I can't stand cities, I live on the outskirts and can't imagine living anywhere else.
Sea-Upstairs-2837@reddit
i live in a small lancashire town - the type people look down on if they’re not from here - and i would never move. i love it. i love the people, the nature, the accessibility of other little local towns and villages, the history, and the job market isn’t too bad if you’re willing to drive or take a train. liverpool is less than a two hours drive, preston is under an hour, manchester just over. my house is worth somewhere below 400k, my auntie from london says it would be worth over 1m if it were down there. there’s wildlife on my doorstep and culture if you know where to look for it. it gets bloody diabolical in the winter though, but you can get used to it and adapt.
Alexei433@reddit
I grew up in London and then Cornwall before moving to Manchester for uni. I moved there 7 years ago and haven’t looked back. Everything is accessible via foot, the transport is amazing and of course there’s Old Trafford. I own an apartment with a friend which I wouldn’t have dreamt of doing in London. It’s the place to be, I couldn’t live anywhere else.
FrostyVanilla8694@reddit
Head up north, then keep going, and move to Scotland. Much better quality of life.
TalProgrammer@reddit
There is nothing particular that is available in Scotland that isn’t available in the North of England. I’d go as far as saying if city life is what you are after or require access to, Edinburgh is an overrun, overcrowded tourist theme park. And ludicrously expensive to boot. Glasgow is OK but Manchester is a really buzzing place.
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punky63@reddit
I would only say Edinburgh is an overrun, tourist theme park during the fringe season. Outside of that I've always found it to be quite a pleasant city
Ok_Employer4583@reddit
Ridiculous take.
Both-Friend-4202@reddit
Leith is Proclaimed to be always sunny ☀️
Any-Republic-4269@reddit
After a number of years in the South East I moved back up to Yorkshire in the mid 2000s and the quality of life is so much better. We could afford to buy a house, still had access to good jobs in the big cities and live in a place with so much going on, a great nightlife as well as stunning scenery on the doorstep. Great local food too. Negatives are the weather - it's rainy in the hills and the winters can be harsh. Public transport is poor compared to the south - not as frequent, crowded, unreliable and often ancient. Roads are congested and short journeys can take ages. Not all of the north is the stereotype of run down ex mill and mining towns, but quite a bit still is.
CarelessTangerine185@reddit
I'm biased as I grew up in the North, but I dragged my city living husband out into the North Yorkshire countryside and he loves it!
We live in quite a large, but beautiful village on the edge of the National Park. The scenery is stunning and I am a 10 minute walk from being in some lovely woods and hills.
Its not got the multitude of cultural experiences, bars, music and theatre venues, but we do have a couple of pubs, shops, restaurants and parks, so it's not exactly rural living.
There is such a lovely community feeling here, it's the perfect size to support a number of different groups (running club, choirs, mother and toddlers, football and cricket club). House prices being lower means that there quite a lot of young families, so I'm currently making friends with other mums of the kids my son will go to school with! We're also just 20 minutes from the nearest town with all the big supermarkets.
My London mates think I'm mad to have moved up here, but I think we have it so good! We're in our 30s but probably only 10 years off being able to pay off our mortgage on a 4 bed semi. My salary probably isn't comparable to most of theirs, but the cost of living is so much lower here that I probably end up with similar levels of disposable income.
DuckMagic@reddit
LOVE IT!
I grew up in the Midlands, did a stint in Dorset and then London for work for six years. My husband was lived his whole life in either Surrey or London. I love the idea of London, but we're not in the right industry to make any sorts of decent money to actually enjoy living in London. Work from home has been a blessing- we moved to Sheffield this spring and it's been amazing for our quality of life. If I was to lose my current job, I'd rather take whatever comes my way locally than consider moving back south.
We currently have three pets- two cats and a dog. Finding a house to rent up here was not an issue at all, we found a house and had a contract signed in less than two weeks. Rent and bills together for a modest three bed is less than we paid in rent alone for a small terrace in Croydon four years ago (I reckon we'd struggle to rent a studio nowadays). Probably could've found something cheaper and fancier had we not been in a rush to go. I've wanted a second dog for ages but had been dreading asking the landlord for permission for fear of being rejected- we've been given the go ahead and are picking up our new puppy this weekend. Imagine renting with four pets in London!!! It's bloody amazing renting up north.
Having to buy your own fridge/ washing machine/ dishwasher when you rent a house was a small culture shock as London houses usually come equipped. Small hurdle in the long run.
I'm slowly making new friends, however my husband has been thriving socially. It's a city full of nerds, and he's out playing Warhammer one or two nights a week with a bunch of guys he met almost immediately after moving. It took me years to convince him to quit London, and within two months of being here he'd declared he'd be happy to live the rest of his life in Sheffield.
Despite being on the opposite end of the city from it, we're 20 minutes away from the Peak District. In the summer it's so amazing to grab the dog, get in the car and go for a spontaneous after work hike for an hour or two.
JamandMarma@reddit
I’m from the north but have lived in Sheffield for 13 years and love it so much. It really is a city full of nerds!
Never had to buy our own white goods whilst renting though.
DuckMagic@reddit
We looked at about 8 houses between Sheffield and Nottingham, and all came without white goods!
penny_laura@reddit
I’m from Yorkshire. Once had someone from Surrey ask me if we had Sainsbury’s where I lived 😂😂
I can assure you it’s the exact same UK life experience… except less expensive housing, slightly less traffic on the whole and people are a bit more friendly.
The north/south divide is largely one-way, I think many of the comments here show that people felt welcome when they moved.
North Derbyshire is lovely and mid way between Manchester and Sheffield, if you wanted to be near a city but not necessarily in one.
Sasspishus@reddit
I moved up to Scotland for work about 15 years ago. I've lived all around different parts of Scotland, and honestly I'd never go back to England now. I still go to visit people but I'd never want to live there again, I love it here! It does help that my job is here, and lots of my friends are here, and there's family nearby.
Monkeyboogaloo@reddit
I moved from London to Euxton in Lancashire. It's a part of Chorley, near Wigan and Preston. I moved because my then partner had family there and none in London.
I really didn't like it. I am a city boy.
But the main thing was the weather. Noticeably colder than London. I used to come into town a bit and I'd set off in a coat but when I got to London it would be warm. And the rain. Growing up in the relatively dry south, the rain drove me crazy!
DragonEagle88@reddit
I’ve lived in Lancashire most of my life but I’ve had stints in Durham for uni which was amazing and Cornwall which I dearly miss. The dark and damp winters still get to me up here and I desperately miss the sea where I lived in Cornwall. But I wouldn’t trade my bit of Lancashire for most of the south either. My partner is from Lymington though and that place is feckin gorgeous.
Gingersnapandabrew@reddit
I grew up in the Midlands, went to uni in York and never wanted to leave the north. After a bit of moving around (military husband) we have settled in the Selby area in north Yorkshire. We are 30 minutes from Leeds, 30 minutes from York. Housing is affordable, we live in a village which is really lovely as it has a real community feel.
My mum has followed us to North Yorkshire, she lives in a town a bit further north. She grew up in London, and she adores the community nature of the north. She knows all her local shopkeepers, has a brilliant social life, and lives in an area where the neighbours know and look after each other.
Couldn't be happier to be honest!
NaturalDisaster2582@reddit
I moved from up north, to further north, then London, then back north and then back to London. London is unrivalled in what it has to offer and the proximity to that, it’s amazing career wise too so if you find your niche the home ownership is not out of the question but you’re never going to get acres of land like you might in the countryside.
I can’t see myself leaving London at this point.
However this point-
I’ve never witnessed this, Londoners are just as friendly as those out side of London, but they’re less likely to initiate random conversations. I see that as valuing their privacy and yours as it’s hard to get that when you’re all essentially living on top of each other.
davedoesntlikehats@reddit
Moved from Brighton to Calderdale in 2019. The weather during winter has been eye opening (we definitely struggled with how wet it is during the first winter)) but on all other quality of life things living here is far better, putting aside the cheaper property prices.
I was in Brighton with work recently and it is very nice, but it is getting really commoditised and its individuality is fading away.
missvariety@reddit
I moved to Hull from the Isle of Wight for uni about 15 years ago and I've never left. Currently looking to move to be closer to York because of work but I'd never move out of Yorkshire. It's gorgeous up here. We travel all over the north for events and gigs and friends constantly. We can drive to Scotland a few times a year. I've seen far more of the UK than my family has who remains down south. It's much cheaper housing and COL wise up here (less so near York). I'd never move back down south.
Also my family definitely think the North is a different country. They absolutely think it's below freezing up here in the winter (it's not) but the sun does set a bit earlier which took some getting used to when I first moved. 😄 No regrets.
Thrasher_Josh@reddit
We moved from Brighton to the outside of Leeds a couple of summers ago. I can’t get over how much cheaper it is up here. I work from home, so the only thing I really need to get on with is getting myself out there socialising and making some friends in Leeds! Any tips would be greatly appreciated. I’m early 30s.
CaptainSkrull@reddit
Moved from London to the north West in early pandemic. First time buyer. Low interest rate locked in for 10 years. I feel like I'm doing a lot better financially than others (especially if I had stayed south). I am struggling with a social network though, being with a young family and working from home.
TruthseekingBoba@reddit
6 years ago we moved from Southampton to Cheshire, Northwich. I love living here❤️ lots of countryside, Manchester Airport is 20 min drive away. Manchester and Liverpool great for days out. Lots i🫢of little towns and villages with nice pubs. We were not able to afford to buy our 1st property down South but managed here😉 I really don't miss being stuck in traffic every morning for over an hour. Recently visited Southampton and thought how dirt and busy it is🫣 people are friendly we had no trouble integrating into the community and made many friends since.
bloodycontrary@reddit
I suppose moving from Deptford to Walthamstow isn't quite what you had in mind
zimtothezeetotheza@reddit
I moved from the south coast to lancashire, about 11 years ago, I worked in London relocated north, got a better paying job up north and could afford a house. I now live in a lovely village with great job & nice house. I feel I would have never have got the same on the south coast
Spiritual-Archer118@reddit
Well, my family is from smack bang in the middle of Manchester and Liverpool, and I still chose to move down South.. albeit not London, but I’m somewhere that is still fairly expensive.
r_keel_esq@reddit
One of my closest friends at university in Glaagow were from down-south, although the south that Southerners call "The North"
She's has now loved more of her life in Scotland than England, and my only outstanding goal is to switch her Six-Nations loyalty by the time we're all 50
pszichoapu@reddit
I moved from Greenwich, London to Lancaster in the north-east. IT's horrible. I can barely understand the dialect, practically no culture, exhibitions, theatre, nothing. Small town vibes of the worst kind. Only low-paid, mostly manual - and menial - jobs. Will move away as soon as I can.
Aggravating-Land7848@reddit
I did this the opposite way round and am avowed southerner these days but if you're looking to make the move, may I suggest checking out Sheffield ? the people are great, it's smaller and less 'on it' than Manchester and has easy access to some of the best countryside the UK has to offer as well as other bigger cities within easy reach.
Vikkio92@reddit
Mate I can understand not liking London for whatever reason, but “too smug” is a mind-blowingly wild take. You won’t find a population more critical about their city than Londoners anywhere else in the world. Certainly no one is “smug” about being constantly rinsed day in, day out every bloody where.
Green-Equivalent-644@reddit
Moved from London to Leeds 3 years ago. Me and wife had a good stable job earning a living wage in London. However that alone was not enough to buy property and didn't fancy spending 50-60% of our combined income on rent, how doable would it be for our future? Moved to Leeds, joined the property ladder and I have not visited London ever since.. we are both working and earning far less than we did back then, however our quality of life improved a lot. We have a spare bedroom, a massive garden and a garage.. things far outside our reach in London. Ps: I've been in the UK for 18 years now.
Sea_Pomegranate8229@reddit
Worked in the City. Moved north in 2001. Lived in a few places along the M62 corridor. 2019 moved to the Borders. 2021moved to the Highlands. It's horrible. Stay where you are!
widdrjb@reddit
We moved from Cambridgeshire to Northumberland 7 years ago. It's not just the house prices, it's everything. Better food, more space, the beaches, the hills and most of all the people.
Longjumping-Hat-7676@reddit
Sssshhh, don’t tell everyone!
The_Incredible_b3ard@reddit
Having worked all over the place, I also found it fascinating how under populated the North East is compared to other regions.
ZeroCool5577@reddit
I moved from Bristol where I grew up to Cheshire just over 5 years ago now as my wife wanted to live closer to her family. Been great I have a fairly low skilled job but still been able to buy a nice house and afford a comfortable life.
anonoaw@reddit
Moved from the Home Counties to York for uni. 12 years later I’m still in Yorkshire. I’m 30 and own a house and have 2 kids and we live on one good salary. Theres no way I’d be doing that at this age if I’d stayed down south.
I love it up here. The town I live in isn’t super nice, but there’s some gorgeous villages surrounding. I’m less than hour to Manchester, Sheffield, Leeds, and York. Can be in gorgeous countryside within 15 minutes. And most importantly I can afford to live.
My parents and one brother moved up to a different part of Yorkshire 6 years ago, which I’m especially grateful for since my dad died 4 years ago, means I’m close enough to my mum (s bit over an hour) to see her most weeks. My other brother is planning to move up in the next few years too.
Big_Watch3524@reddit
Go to London, I guarantee you’ll mugged or unappreciated
UnSpanishInquisition@reddit
Moved back now I've had kids....
Jaomi@reddit
I have mixed feelings.
I’ve been hovering around the England/Scotland border ever since I was eighteen. Moved up here from my Home Counties suburb for uni, stayed in the uni city for a bit, and then settled on the Scottish side. I had a great time in the city as a youth, and I’m having a lovely time in the countryside as a parent.
However, I’m really starting to miss my family, particularly as some of them have started to age and die off, and as I now have a family of my own. We’re so far away up here that it isn’t practical to get down more than once or twice a year, and it hurts my heart when I chat to my aunty and hear how often she sees her other niblings (who are still local).
Green-LaManche@reddit
People are better here then in south. Friendly: you can crack a joke here- not so much in the south. And yes salaries house prices much better here. West is too rainy - on the east there is more sunshine but not large cities .
Weak_Worth_2735@reddit
You don’t even need to go that far north. Some more than reasonable prices in the midlands.
Tigertotz_411@reddit
The opportunities London offers for everything from work to sheer variety of things to do - not all expensive - is unrivalled anywhere in the country, probably even in Europe. Clubs, museums, theatre, parks, art galleries. The main issue is the cost of living there makes all that very difficult. And obviously, it is very very busy, everywhere.
Does that mean up north is worse? Of course not. It depends what you prioritise. Fewer opportunities but lower living costs. More reliance on cars as public transport everywhere is horrendous compared to London. Its all about building communities. The larger an area the more chances there will be, smaller towns and villages are great if you have a family but it will probably be quite lonely.
Some areas of the north can be a bit of a culture shock if youre not used to it, those places exist in the south, but the north, like Wales, had larger, more close knit communities in manufacturing where many generations of people were related and sometimes however friendly those people are, it can be a challenge to get used to if you didnt grow up there.
Ok_Employer4583@reddit
I work in London every month or so and have done for a long time. I’m fond of a lot of it and fully agree what it has to offer surpasses anywhere else in Europe (Paris may argue back meekly).
However what I find is that so many of my work colleagues just don’t bother experiencing any of it.
SameRice3596@reddit
Manchester vs. London ...came on a placement for 2 years never moved back been here 20 years. Quality of life much better and people are actually worth knowing.
Careful-Image8868@reddit
My mom originally from the north but moved to London in her late teens. I Spent a lot of my childhood school holidays in the north and did about 18 months of secondary school in Yorkshire too in a short stint of mum needing to move back.
Didn’t love it at all, and now in my mid 30s I defo wouldn’t move there. London, surrounding cities and towns can also be so so green, have canals etc, you definitely can get a slower pace of life with nature, you just also have the option to have things to do and it be lively! Best of both really.
EatingCoooolo@reddit
I moved from Brighton down south up north to London and the only place I’m leaving London for is somewhere in Spain with not a lot of British.
A family friend of ours in her 60 have such an active social life, free movie screening, plays, DJ nights, dinner clubs and all sorts. She’s enjoying life and that how I want to live in my 60s.
MrMoonUK@reddit
Surrey to Scotland this year, bought a 3 bed house for £150k in Surrey it would be £500k
ifyouliketogamble@reddit
I moved from London to the Highlands. Absolutely love it.
After work I can grab my tent and go camping in the forest. In the summer you can walk through the mountains all through the night without a head torch. We get decent snow for winter mountaineering. We can take a kayak onto pretty much any water, and go for a swim in almost every loch. My village is small, but it means we have a tight knit community. I have a dozen people I wouldn't hesitate to give my house key to for a fortnight while I went away. No parking charges, low crime rate, and even when there is crime our police deal with things with a reasonable sense of discretion. Good food, good whisky. It does take a bit more effort planning commutes to the office or business trips but it's all doable.
Some people love big cities, especially London, but it wasn't for me.
Also honestly everything is cheaper up here apart from booze, but I'm not a big drinker anyway.
PracticeSoft6347@reddit
I lived near Bishop’s Waltham and loved it until I got super lonely because I was single. The community is small and everyone had their social groups, hikes became repetitive and boring. The guys on dating up kept refreshing to the same people and I knew that I didn’t want to move to London (it’s a shit hole imo).
I ended up moving to a leafy suburb of south Manchester. Actually, even if I haven’t met my husband yet, people are a lot more social. I’ve made so many friends with genuine connections, bought a flat. I’m plodding along. I do miss the climate and scenery of Hampshire though. It does get grim and bleak up north.
BenjiTheSausage@reddit
Used to live in Essex, now in the north east, I'm paying less rent now for a 3 bedroom flat then I was for a single room in a shared house in Essex.
I moved from Essex 20 years ago too...
charlie_coo@reddit
Born and raised in Surrey, lived in London and Dublin before settling in a market town outside York. Have a lovely quality of life and my husband has a great work/life balance that we wouldn't have down South. I'm always struck by ho many more people there are whenever I go visit Surrey too.
SyrupMoney4237@reddit
Does Surrey> rural Scotland count? Bought a house, very happy.
confuzzledfather@reddit
One thing I don't see mentioned a lot, is how it can make you feel kind of foreign in a weird way I wasn't expecting. I am used to being part of an entirely anonymous sea of southerners, and wasn't ready for being an outsider in what in a place I was expecting to be basically the same as the south. Everyone is really lovely but it's still weird being a minority for the first time, even if it's the least difficult minority status you can imagine.
Both-Friend-4202@reddit
As a Black 🖤 Londoner I don't feel like a minority until I step into the British countryside. There are many areas where a Black or Brown face turns heads 👀. It must have been like this everywhere in the early 1950s when my parents arrived from Jamaica 🇯🇲.I was a student in Newcastle upon Tyne in the 1980s and I needed to get on a train to Manchester or Huddersfield to have my hair braided. Life is more manageable on a cultural basis with the Internet!
tobotic@reddit
I didn't move for that reason.
But I went from paying £775/month for a kind of run-down one bedroom flat in Sussex to £575/month for a modern three bedroom terraced house in County Durham.
MissingScore777@reddit
Durham's cheap everywhere but Durham City itself pretty much.
And while there are some very rough and rundown towns & villages, there are also decent ones with housing that's only a tiny bit more expensive than the rough places.
You can get a lot for your money in County Durham.
Both-Friend-4202@reddit
🎵I'm gonna leave Old Durham Town..but the leaving's gonna get me down 😢 🎶
Extra-Sound-1714@reddit
I moved out of London forty years ago as I could not afford it. Just applied to different northern towns and took first job I got. It worked out well.
tomwaitsgoatee@reddit
Care to elaborate? Sounds interesting!
Extra-Sound-1714@reddit
Not much more to say. I was struggling to afford a room in a shared house in London. Rents were ridiculously high. So it was a while ago. I bought a national newspaper and applied for jobs I liked the sound of until I got an interview. Travelled for the interview, looked around and it seemed good.
Got the job and moved up. I didn't have much stuff so the move was easy. It was hard at first I knew no one and my colleagues were friendly, but not interested in socializing outside of work. I had to go out up various clubs, have lots of boring benefits, to slowly make friends. Got somewhere to live by going to an agency and paying a fee. think it's now illegal for them to charge both sides, but it wasn't then. But before the Internet finding accommodation remotely was very hard.
Both-Friend-4202@reddit
Decades ago a British politician called Norman Tebbit told the unemployed to ' get on their bike 🚲' and look for work. It was never that easy.. Glad it all worked out for you.
Kopparberg643@reddit
Live mainly in Broughty Ferry but still spend a fair amount of time in London due to work.
I love the big city vibe, I've grown up with the proximity of big cities. But honestly how expensive they are, I found that I wasn't really going out much despite so much constant events due to costs. So now I live in a peaceful affordable area with things I need. And then when I am down I do the big city things but with money that wasn't spent on absurd rental prices.
anabsentfriend@reddit
My family were all born and raised in Yorkshire. They all moved to the south coast (where I was born) for a better life. This was over 50 years ago now, and from what I've gathered it was pretty grim in that area then, with few opportunities. I think I had a better life than I would've done if my parents had stayed.
That may not be the case now though.
TalProgrammer@reddit
One of my Dad’s older brothers did the same from Lancashire. I have cousins over 20 years older than me who no doubt had a netter life as a result (My Uncle was the eldest brother, my Dad the youngest of 11). Now their children and grandchildren struggle.
VirusWonderful5147@reddit
You can get by on less, a pint is £4.50 and most things are walkable, but it's rougher round the edges.
But I'm comparing Sheffield with Winchester here. Most Midland and Northern Cities have pleasant-ish leafy Victorian suburbs.
I came north as a student in 92, never looked back. Better people. Fewer people. Less incessant.
Scared-One9295@reddit
I could go on and on about how much I love it here, so I won't, but yeah London no longer being The City is nice. By far my favourite thing about living here, though, is the scenery. There are hills here! And while I won't pretend as though I'm always out in the rain, there are definitely worse places to be on a grey day.
soopertyke@reddit
I live in a rural.part of the east Midlands, there has been a massive influx of londoners' escaping '. With mixed results. Some settle and mix with the locals others, well, not so much. A chap I used to occasionally bump into in my local pub invited a friend up from Surrey, a friend who as it turned out was an obnoxious snob. A highlight of his visit was seeing him stretched out unconscious on the old and dated carpet of the pub after gobbing off to a young farmer called Ben. Oh how we laughed!!
sober_disposition@reddit
Southwell?
soopertyke@reddit
A bit further north, Lincolnshire
Ryspops@reddit
I grew up in London and decided to move to Bournemouth in my early twenties as I wanted something quieter. Whilst Bmouth was quieter, it was also a pretty average student town with the added extra of a beautiful beach. When my employer decided that everyone could work remotely post COVID, I hopped, skipped and jumped to the Scottish Borders. I sold my house down south and moved into a house double the size. However, I’m nowhere near anything, Carlisle is the nearest town and even that’s 40mins away by car. That aside, I couldn’t be happier, honestly. I adopted four dogs and a husband along the way! The only downside is that if I ever wanted to move back down South, I’ve priced myself out of the market… but I love our village and all the sheep. I’m pretty sure I won’t ever be moving back to England, we love it here! Yes, there’s no deliveroo, or art galleries in close proximity but I’ll take dark skies and dramatic scenery over them, any day of the week!
Srddrs@reddit
Hampshire is south west of London, not south east.
Source: born and bred a few miles east of Basingstoke, can also read a map
mx_aurelia@reddit
I assume OP meant the region, SE as in one of the 7 regions of England, which would include Hampshire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regions_of_England
HollowWanderer@reddit (OP)
This is correct
Bum-Sniffer@reddit
You might be able to read a map but you didn’t read the post properly.
OP is saying in general, all of the south-east Englands’ proximity to London makes the south east an expensive place to live.
OP is also saying they currently live in north Hampshire.
They are two connected but different statements.
QueefInMyKisser@reddit
Can’t read English though can you? I live in Hampshire, although it’s south-west of London, it’s still in the south-east.
PullUpAPew@reddit
"it's too smug"
MissKatbow@reddit
They didn't say they are southeast of London they said they are in the southeast (of England)
Dapper-Prompt-4216@reddit
The south east of England is overcrowded overpriced and has more than its fair share of people who consider themselves to be ‘posh’. All best and easily avoided by moving north.
pollypocket200@reddit
Lots of positive stories but I moved to Manchester two years ago…. Hated the vibe of the whole place. Loved the people - genuinely amazing warm, funny people . The food scene was atrocious (despite propaganda saying otherwise), housing was lovely but almost as expensive as London and my job paid poorly. I still struggle with how rude Londoners are but I’m so happy to be back in my favourite city in the world. (I am biased as I grew up here though)
Ok-Gain1509@reddit
I moved to the North-East about 10 years ago, fairly near Newcastle. I'm originally from London, though I have moved around a bit.
I settled here and, when my nan passed away, I moved my mum up here as well. We both love it. It's beautiful countryside, the people are friendly and the local services are really good (especially the hospitals).
It did used to be a bit of an employment hole, but it is getting better in that regard. My mum said she'd never leave and wants to be buried here.
Both-Friend-4202@reddit
I used to live on a huge housing estate in South London.My next door neighbour added an extra bedroom to his 3 bedroom house and sold what had been a council house for enough money to move up to Yorkshire and to purchase a detached house with almost an acre of land.
sshiverandshake@reddit
Congrats to your niece, that is such a giant upgrade, Streatham is dogshit.
Both-Friend-4202@reddit
Bit harsh. The Common is ok..
sshiverandshake@reddit
I was half joking, I have a parent that grew up there (back in the '70s). She still jokingly refers to it as St Reatham. You're right, the area around the Common seems alright.
Both-Friend-4202@reddit
These days in London..it is getting so overcrowded that any bit of green land sends the prices of houses shooting up.. including Streatham Common and Tooting Bec. I know old timers who have lived in Streatham for decades and they do say " It was better before Pratts (dept store) closed down"😁
mozchops@reddit
It was
sshiverandshake@reddit
My Mum says the same thing!! The other thing they always talk about is the Cat's Whiskers, wish I could've experienced it at least once...
Takklemaggot@reddit
It was the Dog's Bollocks, to be fair..
Both-Friend-4202@reddit
OMG. .😳.. That building has been so many incarnations...In my y day It was the Bali Hai 🏝️
mozchops@reddit
It used to be fab in the 70s 80s
129sapphires@reddit
This song keeps going round in my head now that you’ve posted this OP! Life in a Northern Town Song by The Dream Academy ‧ 1985
Particular_Store8743@reddit
The first single I ever bought.
fernzy93@reddit
Moved to Manchester from London. Love it up here but never liked living in London. Unfortunately job market is awful, so have to move back home against my wishes. And yes the weather is horrendous up here.
SYSTEM-J@reddit
I'm not from the south, but I moved further north after university to get a job. I had the choice to go to London but I rejected it. Even 10-15 years ago I could see that London and its commuter orbit is a financial trap. You tie your career to the capital, but that "good" career can't buy you a home, so you end up settling for an overpriced house a 60 minute (or more) rail commute at £500 a month into London, which you no longer live in. You end up with absurdities like people living in Leicester and spending four hours a day travelling to London and back because they bought the line "there's no jobs up north" in their early 20s.
The thing is, I can at least understand people from London having a culture shock at having to live anywhere else, because no other British city (and frankly, not many cities in the world) offers the culture and lifestyle that London does. With the greatest respect to Hampshire, someone living in Basingstoke is not living a life of cultural enrichment you couldn't get in dozens of places in the north of England.
KrissieBee@reddit
I'm sure you'll get a mixed response. There are decent careers in bigger cities etc. People want different things from life.
And I'm definitely biased. I've spent most of my life in a village on the outskirts of Leeds/Bradford.
I love it here. I can drive 10-15mins in any direction and be surrounded by countryside, in another town or village. There's so much history here. And we're close enough to so many larger towns to have enabled us to build decent careers.
I met my husband at uni here. He's from the South. When we graduated we'd only been together about 6 months, but he decided to stay here. He said he didn't see a future in the south, grew comfortable with how affordable the North was, and 'obviously' I was here. So when we graduated, he stayed.
We bought a house, and built our careers (both in IT) and have been together almost 20 years.
And I could say it's all rose tinted specs, but about 2 years ago one of his relatives was trying to decide what to do with their lives having also spent all their life down south. We offered them our home to check out what the North had to offer and they decided to move here.
They said the people were so friendly, diverse, and ultimately it just offered a completely different pace of life for them.
They've been here going on 2 years and I recently asked if they'd ever consider moving back down, and they said "Absolutely not. I feel like I've found where I belong".
So my only real advice is to check it out. See where feels right for you. No one place fits everyone. We all have our own wants and needs from life. See where has jobs available in your field of interest, or where might meet your needs re hobbies or interests. The UK is a big place, full of so many wonderful places!
DerbyForget@reddit
This reads like you offered your partners family your home 2 years ago and theyve stayed ever since!
KrissieBee@reddit
Thankfully not the case 🤣. They stayed about 6 months at ours and bought a house up here.
SaltyName8341@reddit
I have a similar story but being on the outskirts of Manchester, I think age is a massive factor too the city centre is where the young ones want to go to but once you start to slow down well i definitely crave peace and nature.
KrissieBee@reddit
Yeh, I've had friends graduate and stay in the city centre, only to move further out as they get older.
Living in a city is great when you're younger and you want that night life and convenience. But adding the extra mins for a further commute is sometimes worth it for a quieter pace of life.
I did the city living for a few years, and it was awesome to be walking distance to everything. But as I head towards my 40s I appreciate my quieter pace of life.
Walkerno5@reddit
Are you married to eviltaffyapple above?
KrissieBee@reddit
I am not 🤣 but what a coinkydink!
coffeewalnut08@reddit
It’s decent. It’s quiet, more affordable, the skies are big and beautiful, vivid sunsets, starry nights, rich autumn colours, beautiful countryside and coast. I didn’t realise how lovely the north could be in that way. ✨ People are also much warmer and friendlier in my experience.
Negatives: it’s harder to find jobs and embark on a career or climb the career ladder. Public transport is, generally, much more shite. More crumbling infrastructure and derelict sites. More antisocial behaviour (in my experience). Some cities have better public transport and infrastructure but it really depends where you are.
semaj420@reddit
from the north, moved south for a better life, had one, moved back to the north, life sucks.
maybe it's me that's the problem?
Away-Shake5887@reddit
Cornwall surfer calling…apart from Saltburn, Thurso etc can’t seem to find a reason to move north but FUCK ME it’s grim down here right now for jobs…
NatchezAndes@reddit
You honestly couldn't pay me to live in the south again. It makes no sense to me that anyone would actively choose to do so. From here, London, as a whole, now just appears horrendously dark, and dingy, and angry, interspersed with a couple of fancy buildings.That's not a place people choose to move to/move back to when they've experience of the rest of the UK. Got to pay a premium too for the increased crime rate and horrific NHS waiting times. Nah, I'm fine up here.
londonflare@reddit
You could look at Southampton, Portsmouth or even Bournemouth which are cheaper than commuter belt Hampshire and have a lot more life but still near friends and family.
fernzy93@reddit
Moved to Manchester from London. Love it up here. But never enjoyed living in London. Job market is awful up here tho also the weather
trentsc@reddit
My GF and I both moved from London to Leeds in our 50s about 7 years ago. We could never afford a home in London and we found a lovely home here which was affordable. It's much more community-minded, friendlier and people are more willing to say hello. Wish we'd done it years earlier.
TelevisionSuch2041@reddit
Moved from Hampshire to the midlands 5 years ago. Best decision I ever made!
younevershouldnt@reddit
Great, but couldn't afford to move back anyway now
WorldlinessAny5741@reddit
Omg, I thought you were talking about Siberia or so…
mumwifealcoholic@reddit
We left the Home Counties 4 years ago and our only regret is we didn’t do it sooner.
The south sucks the life out of people.
d_dawg_23@reddit
I’ve been in the south my entire life, don’t agree with you there
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