Was anyone else shaped by "The Late Great Planet Earth" theology?
Posted by smpenn@reddit | GenX | View on Reddit | 101 comments
As a teenager in the '80s, at a time when The Late Great Planet Earth was the best selling non-fiction (?) book of the decade, was anyone else impacted by the doomsday, imminent rapture theology?
The rapture, among evangelicals, hit a fever pitch in the '80s and this book was the go-to guide.
My church (and mother), declared everything happening in the world, from tensions in Israel, to a night when the planets all aligned, to late snowfalls in April, as being certain signs of the impending end of time.
I graduated salutatorian of my class in '86 but didn't go to college because the rapture would definitely occur no later than 1988, the 40 year (one generation) anniversary of the re-establishment of Israel, so why bother?
I felt like a kid with a terminal illness, expecting to have my life end at just any moment. I was often shocked, when I awoke, that we had made it through the night.
While I'm still a Christian (who hasn't attended church in 14 years), I no longer believe in a secret rapture ever occurring. So much of my life, though, was impacted for the worse by that popular '80s doctrine.
woaq1@reddit
This book, and the doomsday prophecy it preaches, is the main reason the US and Israel are trying to destroy the world. Because in this book, the idea was born that when the Jewish people gain full control over the land of Israel , that's when Armageddon begins and the Christian religion will see its natural end. These boomers seriously believe that bombing children in Palestine , and creating an affordability crisis for all of humanity will bring forth judgement day and will let them go to heaven. I say this as a life long atheist, I fucking hope there is a hell so all these boomers and genX who seriously believe this stuff can burn for eternity. In their mind, they are bringing about the end of the world willingly, so they can be in heaven. Fuck these people and fuck Christian nationalism.
MCSOREN@reddit
I to am also Christian that no longer attends church and that's one reason. Doomsday theology i feel is unbiblical and goes against God.
kost1035@reddit
its the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine so be a shiny happy person - REM
silkendick@reddit
Also a kid of the 80s here. Same thing as OP - I used to watch movies at our Baptist Church about the rapture and the number of the beast. I remember having nightmares about it for years. That rapture theory is a relatively new thing though that was popular in the late 1800 and 1900s. Certainly something that wasn’t around in the early days. Still a Christian just no longer accepting beliefs without looking into them first and reading the hell out of the Word first.
Eleutherlothario@reddit
Was that "Thief in the Night"? I was shown that one back then
gigantischemeteor@reddit
Wanna fuck up your childhood for a few years? Get forced to watch that fucking movie with your parents and the rest of your church, at age 5 going on 6, on New Year’s Eve (instead of going to a family party). That shit ain’t for 6 year olds. I mean, neither is religion, but that’s for a different discussion.
Pre-trib, pre-millennial, IFB, Grade A-1 Bullshit. Suck that down for a few decades starting from birth and then try coming up for air. It’s a bitch. 😵💫
silkendick@reddit
Not sure- could have been. It was sooo long ago! But yeah there must have been many of these style movies.
smpenn@reddit (OP)
If you want to really do a deep dive, study "partial preterism". I haven't 100% bought into it yet, but I'm right there. It is the teaching that Revelation was concerning the Fall of Jerusalem in 70AD and not about our own times, at all. I have such a greater peace of mind since the study of that doctrine.
silkendick@reddit
Thanks for the recommendation. Will check it out.
Strangewhine88@reddit
Without my direct knowledge. For three years of ‘Sunday school’ parsing of Revelations by someone with no understanding of exegesis, just his own narcissistic need for a young audience to dominate. The consequences of having to live in deeply paranoid bible belt for a number of impressionable years, left an indelible mark I’ve tried to first erase, and then be mindful of. Put the two and two together years later when relaying a memory to a friend, who immediately recognized some of the symbols used for referencing global politics and the battle of Armeggedon.
smpenn@reddit (OP)
Sorry you went through that. After 40 years of fretting over such things, I'm finally finding peace through my own study rather than relying on ignorant traditions and dogma. Hope you are okay.
Strangewhine88@reddit
I knew it was bs at the time, went on to university, had my share of western civilization requirements within a Presbyterian frame, and really just outgrowing the while thing etc. But the time I spent either reacting to or tryingtune out the evangelical bs that was a pervasive undercurrent in the community we lived in, did leave scars in terms of some thought patterns. It’s inevitable,
worrymon@reddit
Was it really? Because I (54m) have never heard of such drivel.
Wasn't the best selling book of the 80s the Iacocca autobiography?
So glad I didn't grow up in a religious part of the country. The valedictorian of my class ('89 - last class of the 80s!) was jehovahs witness and went on to seminary. Everyone I knew thought it was a waste of a brain.
Strangewhine88@reddit
Everything sold in an airport bookstore is a best seller. Doesn’t mean I’m buying any of that publishers’ surplus. It was just marketing that worked on a subset of people easily persuaded.
SnowblindAlbino@reddit
It sold 28M copies in the 70s. But like most religious "best sellers" I'd suspect those totals were inflated 5-10x by people who never read it at all. Such books (and movies) are often scams, with churches buying thousands of copies that they give away. Which is why there are so many unopened copies of religious books (and LPs, and DVDs) in thrift store dump bins.
worrymon@reddit
I stand by my relief that I'd never heard of such drivel until today.
smpenn@reddit (OP)
Just looked it up to verify, and the book was actually the best seller of the 1970s rather than the 1980s.
worrymon@reddit
Still glad I never heard of such drivel. Sorry you did.
Thirsty-Barbarian@reddit
I saw the movie when I was a kid. A friend and I paid money to see it in the theater. We were both kind of weirdly obsessed with nukes and nuclear war. I actually don’t really remember the Christian rapture propaganda aspect so much, more of a pseudoscience-based doomsday inevitability related to overpopulation, pollution, starvation, and war. It was narrated by Orson Wells, which gave the crackpot nonsense a certain gravitas. It wasn’t what we thought it was going to be, and we wished we had watched a different movie.
SnowblindAlbino@reddit
Me too, same experience: we thought it was a sci-fi movie. Whoops.
Thirsty-Barbarian@reddit
He would sell no wine before its time.
But he would sell the End Times before its time! I feel like this movie was to help him afford more wine.
SnowblindAlbino@reddit
I always laugh at these outtakes...Wells was not in great shape in that era.
Strangewhine88@reddit
OMG thank you for this. I recommend you check out John Candy’s Orson impression on SCTV—Liberace Christmas Special. You won’t be disappointed.
smpenn@reddit (OP)
I didn't know until today that it was ever made into a movie. I'm glad I never saw it, as I'm sure the visuals would have haunted me.
PGHNeil@reddit
My mom took me to see the movie version when it came out. IIRC I was 8 years old at the time. It was definitely NSFK.
Sepa-Kingdom@reddit
I read the title and thought you were referring to a David Attenborough documentary
PGHNeil@reddit
No, it was worse. It was narrated by Orson Welles and they illustrated the book of Revelations with the seas turning to blood.
My mom was also big into Edgar Casey at the time too and took me to see a movie called Beyond and Back about life after death with testimonials from people who had near death experiences - including a guy who attempted suicide and went to Hell for 5 minutes before he was revived.
I've since traveled the world and even visited the Vatican twice - even though I'm pretty much agnostic. To this day I'm still very hesitant to leave my house. It's not that I think the sky is falling so much as there are a lot of con artists or energy vampires out there looking to profit from or feed on people's fear.
Strangewhine88@reddit
I forgot Orson Welles was involved. in his broke last years he shilled for anything.
PXranger@reddit
I’m as far from a Christian as you can get, but I know enough about the bible to just laugh at this stuff.
Says right in their holy book, “none shall know the day or the hour”
While another verse reads, “the dead know nothing”.
Taken together, it just completely invalidates any of this Casey stuff and the Rapture nonsense.
SnowblindAlbino@reddit
I went with friends because we thought it was sci-fi, like Logan's Run or Soylent Green. We were Much Disappointed. Should have known when we saw the church groups at the theater.
PGHNeil@reddit
Yeah. It should have been narrated by Vincent Price.
RidiculousSucculent@reddit
I’m not Christian so I’ve never heard of this book. I worried about nuclear war with Russia in the 80’s, not the rapture.
Strangewhine88@reddit
If you ever breezed through parade magazine in the Sunday Paper, there were ads and even postcard inserts for it.
SnowblindAlbino@reddit
It was massively popular in the 70s and made into a movie in 1978. The book sold nearly 30 million copies and was claimed to be the biggest-selling "nonfiction" book of the decade. It was everywhere.
But also mostly forgotten by the 80s in my experience, other than in free boxes at garage sales.
earthgarden@reddit
oh this was not a general Christian book or belief. Most christians (or at least back then) do not believe in the rapture as it is not biblical.
smpenn@reddit (OP)
I just learned that the rapture isn't biblical teaching a little over a year ago. In these past few months, my peace of mind has increased so much.
earthgarden@reddit
What stopped you from reading the Bible yourself when you were a teen, young adult, etc.? I am sincerely asking, not making fun of you or anything. I’ve always wondered how/why people follow such beliefs when it isn’t a part of their religious mythology.
smpenn@reddit (OP)
Well, reading the Bible with a preconceived notion of the rapture actually substantiated the belief rather than dispelling it.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-55 are very easily misinterpreted if one believes in the rapture.
earthgarden@reddit
I don’t get the ‘easily’ part, seems a stretch to me, but thank you for answering.
HereInTheCut@reddit
I remember finding that in a thrift store when I was 9 or 10. I had no idea what the rapture was and I thought it was meant to be pulpy science fiction.
Strangewhine88@reddit
I seem to remember some of the book covers and crappy magazine and tv commercials for Dianetics and LGPE were similar and easily conflated. I thought they were both kind of bad sci-fi, until I realized what my crazy sunday school teacher had used for his primary text for his bs.
earinsound@reddit
My mom had a Hal Lindsey record about Revelations I think…or about the apocalypse? Speaking of records, all my Kiss albums got thrown out and I started being gifted Christian rock albums (horrific) around this time. The Rapture was definitely something my mom believed in, and probably still does. But she also believes in ancient aliens. I was a teen at the time, and between an imminent Soviet invasion/nuclear war, The Rapture, and Stryper it felt kinda insane.
smpenn@reddit (OP)
Yeah, all that chaos was a lot for young minds to bear. I'm going to Google Stryper because that's something I'm not familiar with. Sounds like I'm glad I missed out on that part! Ha
Sad_Construction_668@reddit
Lindsey’s pop Darbyism , and then with the next generation of the Left Behind Series, are about the removal of a population from the larger community. They were trying to cut out evangelicals from the idea that their political choices and actions would have any effect on the world, and therefore, they didn’t have any accountability to their neighbors and communities.
I’m really sorry you lived with that, it’s intentionally traumatic, and there’s just so much wasted energy and effort put into keeping you from forming meaningful connections to your neighbors.
smpenn@reddit (OP)
Thank you for your kind words. I grew up fearing I'd be one of the ones left behind, which made it even more traumatic.
Madrona88@reddit
I remember my dad reading it. I remember going to the movie with my parents. Did they believe it? No. My dad just liked knowing the zeitgeist of the day. Personally I'm more of a prepper than they ever were. But I also spent most of my life either living in an earthquake prone area or in a kinda remote spot...or both. Not paranoid, just prepared.
SnowblindAlbino@reddit
Don't need to prep for the Rapture though-- in my experience 100% of the people who believe in such fantasies also believe they will personally be raptured.
Madrona88@reddit
Yeah I'm not a rapture kind of person. I am a shit is going to happen person.
GozerDestructor@reddit
Not that particular book, but as a teen in the 80s I was heavily influenced by my Catholic upbringing, pop-culture depictions of demons, the Antichrist and End Times (in films and books like The Omen and The Amityville Horror), and psychics and prognosticators like Nostradamus, Jeanne Dixon, St. Malachy.
All of these seemed to point to an apocalypse within my lifetime, probably in 1999, a date specifically mentioned by Nostradamus. This lined up with a medieval listing of future popes by St. Malachy, each with a cryptic description... according to this there would be only two more popes after John Paul II.
What finally broke the spell for me was when my school principal went on a warpath against Dungeons & Dragons. I was an avid player, and the game was banned from my school (and severely restricted for me at home) after a hysterical screed by Jimmy Swaggart was sent home with every student. This was like a dash of cold water to the face... it made me realize how ridiculous a belief system I was a part of.
Ok-Gift5860@reddit
Religious Trauma Syndrome is a very real thing.
And it really messed up a. lot of people's lives.
smpenn@reddit (OP)
It very much is and it definitely has.
Ok-Gift5860@reddit
Bitterness can strangle emotional/personal growth in huge way.
At least that's what a friend told me.
Due_Builder_1595@reddit
I was. WAS. I reread it a few years ago for a chuckle.
1messedupmonkey@reddit
Sigh.
Friend, you should know better by now.
How many falsehoods do you need before you realize the 2000 year old hoax is exactly that? Just a hoax to keep us peasants under control and grinding out dollars?
Necessary-Peace9672@reddit
I remember—it caused me much anxiety!
smpenn@reddit (OP)
I hope you've found peace. It took me many years, but I have, at last.
Necessary-Peace9672@reddit
Yes—thank you.
SnowblindAlbino@reddit
Shaped? Not at all. Amused by? Yes, certainly. I saw the first movie in the theater because I fell for the marketing and thought it was a sci-fi movie. It was laughable. By the early 80s I was in high school and quite wary of evangelicals in general, as I'd seen how hypocritical many of them were and I felt sorry for their kids. A few of them (the kids) tried to scare me away from listening to metal music, because Satan you know, which I also found laughable.
I was worried about nuclear war. Not about the imaginary Rapture. But lo and behold, in college I got really interested in millenarian movements and ended up doing a bunch of research on the Millerites in particular. I ended up becoming a professional historian and while I don't research/write about those groups now I still enjoy reading about them at times. I'd lump the Hal Lindsay types right in with them.
smpenn@reddit (OP)
The story of Miller's Great Disappointment is very interesting, but I've only scratched the surface of reading about that happening. I'd like to find stories of what the followers did after they sold homes, land and all that.
SnowblindAlbino@reddit
I did my Ph.D. in history in the mid-1990s, and for a while played with the idea of doing a project on millenarians because Y2K was approaching. But I changed directions ultimately, so haven't been in that world for decades now. Still remember lots of stories though, and of course made connections to the apocalyptic cults of the Y2K era as well. Also wonder what happened when people gave up their worldly goods only to learn their prophet was a charletan!
HighBiased@reddit
Nope. I was shaped by "Free to Be You & Me!" ✌️ ☮️
(Hippy/atheist parents)
SnowblindAlbino@reddit
Amen. We watched that repeatedly in public school in the 70s.
cadien17@reddit
See also: TA For Tots.
speed_of_chill@reddit
Huh…this is the first time I’ve heard of this. I excommunicated myself from church when I was 14, so there’s that.
TowerOfSisyphus@reddit
Wow glad I missed that shit. I remember going on a class trip to Washington DC and seeing someone holding a sign saying the world was going to end on a specific date in the not too distant future, like three months ahead of then. I wrote down the date and watched with satisfaction when it came and went. That led me to read about the long history of doomsday prediction. It's comforting to know that people at all times in history have felt like shit's outta control and can't possibly continue this way. And yet here we are.
zombie_overlord@reddit
I have a Weekly World News from the 90s that says WORLD ENDING NEXT WEEK
😄
pocketdare@reddit
People have no sense of perspective. It's not entirely their fault. The media and leaders play into perception biases.
But the rapture thing is entirely different. That's all about looking forward to me getting my rewards in heaven while all you sinners get your just deserts here on Earth. The people who believe this shit clearly feel that only a divine source can remedy their shit lives.
cadien17@reddit
I grew up in a very secular part of the country in a completely non-religious families. Not even grandparents practiced. The title is familiar but I didn’t know that’s what it was about. I did once have a high school classmate tell me about how we were all going to be barcoded as the mark of the beast. Like a tattoo. That may have been related.
smpenn@reddit (OP)
That is related. We were told that so many things, from our SSN to our bank accounts were the dreaded Mark of the Beast. With computer chips, I still hear murmurs of it fairly regularly.
I grew up deep in the Appalachian Mountains. Everyone, even the meanest of sinners, is religious. 😉
DeadManAle@reddit
I never went to church never believed in any higher power. Never believed we’d have a nuclear war. Never voted in my life and never will. I live a good not afraid of shit I can’t control life.
Strange_Vermicelli@reddit
Thought that documentary came out in the 70s
smpenn@reddit (OP)
It may have. I became aware of it in the mid-80s but I may have been late to the party.
earthgarden@reddit
I remember one of my teachers using this as a lesson we spent a whole period talking about it and other rapture or other stuff like it. He told us this story about some UFO cult in the '50s? '60s? that stayed up all night on the night that the aliens was supposed to come, and even after it didn't happen some still believed. I remember when the Hale-Bopp cult suicides happened in the '90s, I thought maybe it was children of the 50s/60s cult, but no, different group.
smpenn@reddit (OP)
Thanks for your kind words. I'm doing great now. Happier than I've ever been.
mr_chill77@reddit
When I was younger, definitely. I was big into the end times as a teenager. Also the church I grew up in was obsessed with end times. We would do “prophecy updates” practically every month.
smpenn@reddit (OP)
My church was obsessed with end times, too. I now believe all of that related to the Fall of Jerusalem in 70AD, rather than having anything to with present time.
ImMxWorld@reddit
I grew up in a more conservative religious area and I knew other kids who's families were full on into this. I thought it was dumb. . Because obviously we were all going to die in the nuclear apocalypse before then! Rapture? 40 years after the founding of Israel? Sure, Jan. Thermonuclear war with Russia is going to take us out any day now.
smpenn@reddit (OP)
Yeah, I grew up thinking that nuclear war would be part of Armageddon, so they went hand in hand, in my mind.
HaloTightens@reddit
Ohhhhh this is me! I got offers from reeeally good colleges, but I ignored them because I didn’t want to waste my last couple of years sitting in classes to earn a degree I’d never get to use. I made no plans for a future of any kind, since there wouldn’t be one.
I could have had such a good life. Instead, I’m broke and clawing my way along at a meaningless job.
I still panic at sudden loud sounds. That rapture stuff got in deep.
smpenn@reddit (OP)
I feel for you, brother. Truly. That stuff impacted me horribly. I've deconstructed, to a fairly large extent, and finally have peace of mind. If you care to discuss things further, feel free to PM me.
sourcreamus@reddit
It kind of inoculated me against eschatological craziness.
Hardjaw@reddit
Incase a teen in the 80s, I am not familiar with the Late Great Earth. Never heard of the book.
Eve_O@reddit
Didn't really need a theology to feel this way what with the threat of nuclear annihilation hanging over the 80s.
smpenn@reddit (OP)
Yeah, I very much thought that nuclear obliteration was tied in to Armageddon.
It probably went unnoticed to most folks, but an event that was quite inspiring to me was when Poland took a stand against the Soviet Union. I thought it was all but over for Poland, yet it was the USSR that caved. I couldn't help but think that, if a small country could go against the Soviets and win, maybe there was hope for all of us. I still have the utmost respect for the Poles.
CowboyNeale@reddit
Mom sent me to an Assemblies of God high school in our church
remylebeau12@reddit
Assembly of God would have summer camps back in the 1960’s where “lots of shenanigans “ were rumored to happen at nights 🍆🍑swaps
Komaisnotsalty@reddit
I grew up on all that garbage. My parents were fundamental Evangelical Free people from when I was 10 and the parade of books in the house was something else.
I remember when Gorbachev came in to power and his birthmark spawned a crapton of 'mark of the beast' books mixed in with the satanic panic stuff of the '80s.
Pretty sure there's not a single book written about religious anything that my mom didn't buy back then. She still absorbs garbage from all those millionaire ministers.
She's 84, had no retirement so lives on government pension, but hey, she's spent at least $300,000+ on religious stuff, while I was working by age 12, had 2 jobs when I was 14, and at 16, 3 jobs and still graduated high school with excellent grades. All the while, forced to give my parents money who spent like they were in the government.
I have a very nasty view of religion due to how I grew up. Before my parents got sucked in, they were decent people and looked after us kids. After I turned 10, they got sucked in and kids? What kids?
smpenn@reddit (OP)
I'm sorry to hear that you had such a bad experience, as well. I hope you've made peace with it. My mom died in February and I was surprised at how much anger I still felt towards her due to her fire and brimstone style of parenting.
Komaisnotsalty@reddit
I have made peace with it for sure, but I was estranged from my family for most of my 20s due to pressure to marry and have babies - which I didn't want.
Mom and I have patched things up over the years best we can. I won't ever trust my family, but we get along relatively well now.
Dad died 10 years ago and I was so relieved. He was relentless. Mom is 86 and she's still spending insane amounts of her pension on books, ministers, podcasts and whatnot but she no longer tries to get me involved.
And you're right about holding some anger. I don't think it ever 100% goes away, we just become adults and deal with it better over time.
Throckmorton1975@reddit
My parents had a few of Hal Lindsey's books on the shelves. Growing up in the 80s when I discovered them we were not attending a church that bought into the "end-times" thinking. The editions we had were written in the 70s so were already dated by the time I read them and they didn't square with then-current events as much. Lindsey made a fortune of those books.
smpenn@reddit (OP)
He's still writing prophecy books and making bank! I don't know how often one can be completely wrong yet still have a following but, evidently, he hasn't hit that threshold yet.
Bucks2174@reddit
Lindsey writing books and making bank is quite the feat. He’s dead.
smpenn@reddit (OP)
Ah, I see he just died last year. He was quite active in print and YouTube until the end. Thanks for the update.
nixtarx@reddit
My maternal grandparents used to fill my head with that stuff and, just like with you, pointed to certain current events as "proof." Now they've been gone for decades and it still hasn't happened.
I dispute that it reached its zenith in the 80s. The satanic panic certainly did, but I see a lot of chatter about current events in Isreal and comparisons of public figures to the antichrist in terms of rapture doomsdayism. Also, that Left Behind series was incredibly popular, at least in evangelical circles, all throughout the '00s.
smpenn@reddit (OP)
Yeah, I won't argue against those points.
It is just my personal reality that the teachings were predominantly impactful during the 80s. I've removed myself from the sources of those teachings, in the years since, and have, thus, been sheltered from any further doomsday popularity phases. I'm actually quite saddened to think the doctrine may still be affecting folks.
BubbhaJebus@reddit
So hard I wasn't brought up with that kind of weirdness. I came from a mildly Lutheran extended family but my parents weren't even religious.
ThumbsUp2323@reddit
This stuff was never part of my experiences growing up. Maybe it's a regional thing, but being raised in NY was, for me, entirely secular... and religious nuts crying ammegedeon were, and still are, regarded as mentally disturbed and delusional.
fastcatdog@reddit
Not like you think but it’s game over, extinction rates of bugs,birds,trees, pesticides, pollutants of all types. And the big one that can not be fixed is microplastics, in everything now and we will not stop. Grandkids will see some horrible consequences. Holy crap we actually pay more for food without poison on it. If 100k people read this how many will stop and reflect? Do something?
smpenn@reddit (OP)
Yeah, it makes me glad I didn't have children (also, in grest part due to the doomsday doctrine under which I was raised).
RCA2CE@reddit
I have no idea what this even means so no, the last great planet earth did not torment me.
I find myself growing less religious, then sometimes im not.
TheHouIeigan@reddit
You do not have to go to church to be saved. The thief on the cross proves that.