Why is it illegal to pet manatees in America?
Posted by TeachingSpiritual888@reddit | AskAnAmerican | View on Reddit | 279 comments
I didn't know what flair to put this question under so yea
But anyway hi i'm Guyanaese living in America and for the people who don't know where that is, it's in south America right above Brazil next to Venezuela. ( And sorry if my spelling and grammar is wrong. This type of English is new to me)
My question is why is it illegal to touch manatees in America ?. In Guyana we have a national park where people can come feed and touch the mantees. ( It's not a cage the water leads out to the river so the mantees come and go when they please) And as far as I know touching them isn't hurting them so why is it illegal in America.
Are they endangered or something over here ?
ngshafer@reddit
In general, we discourage people from petting wild animals of any kind in America.
christine-bitg@reddit
I know that it happens, and it always astonishes me that people feel a desire to do that. Every year we hear about people getting killed by bison and sometimes bears.
I think they can't distinguish between wild animals and their household pets.
ngshafer@reddit
Right? I mean, I don't understand how someone can see a half-ton animal, minding its own business, and think "I'm gonna go pet that!"
emeraldchest@reddit
It’s not really the same for manatees, they’re not even dangerous to humans whatsoever, it’s their friendliness that can result in boat accidents that can hurt them. Unfair comparison
christine-bitg@reddit
Exactly!
Weightmonster@reddit
Plus danger and even diseases.
BoomerishGenX@reddit
You’d never touch a snake, frog, or lizard?
ClickClick_Boom@reddit
I did when I was a child and didn't know any better, but I'm 33 now.
BoomerishGenX@reddit
A friendly dolphin swims up to you, and you’d be all “no thank you, dolphin, I’m an adult now”?
OlFlirtyBastardOFB@reddit
People are fuckin' weird.
ngshafer@reddit
Yes! I’m not about to touch some pervert dolphin!
ngshafer@reddit
Ew. I wouldn’t say “never,” but I’d have to have a really good reason for touching them.
BoomerishGenX@reddit
Ew!? Icky nature?
ngshafer@reddit
Icky reptiles. Most mammals don’t bother me. Frogs wouldn’t be so bad, because they don’t have teeth.
Louisianimal09@reddit
Because it encourages them to alter their behavior and not fear boats where they’re usually mutilated by the props
invisibleman13000@reddit
As far as I can tell with a quick Google search, it looks like they were endangered but were reclassified to threatened after a rebound in population but there are debates about reclassifying them as endangered again after a drop in population.
Anthrodiva@reddit
2017 Was Trump Administration, which has not been keen on having ANY animals on the Endangered List. AFAIK they are truly truly endangered.
belokusi@reddit
True that. I could be wrong but I believe I read about the prairie chicken being removed from protection.
origional_esseven@reddit
Biologist here: the issue we run into is the biologists work way faster than the governments/law enforcement. Additionally, because there are legal implications to putting species on the endangered list, there is a lot of long complicated processes that must occur first before the classification to change. IUCN has the manatee specie in America as "vulnerable" right now but I know there is a big push from wildlife biologists to move it back to endangered.
drsfmd@reddit
Can I ask why that classification matters so much? It's not like we'll have a manatee hunting season if they come off the endangered list.
Ceorl_Lounge@reddit
Changes rules about areas in or adjacent to their habitat. Makes harming them a far more serious crime. The only reason people would want to dial back protections is because those rules interfere with making money. That's not a trivial concern, so we dance around classification for a lot of endangered species.
nixfly@reddit
I understand and agree with everything you said, but do you think your last sentence is why people are losing faith in these institutions?
Ceorl_Lounge@reddit
People are losing faith because making money is the sole objective of most leadership in Florida. No common good, only profit, and that's a hellish way to live.
nixfly@reddit
So that is why you have to “dance around classification”?
I always worry when party A uses party B’s motivations to justify their actions.
It doesn’t seem like science is in the equation.
sas223@reddit
The science can be incredibly clear. But listing species under the ESA isn’t just scientists making decisions. It’s a lot of politics.
Ceorl_Lounge@reddit
Oh there's a vast amount of science about what should and shouldn't be done with Floridian wildlife and ecology, particularly in the Everglades. Protecting that ecosystem is almost impossible in the current political climate, and the motivations are what they are. Calling them out doesn't take away from the science.
stockvillain@reddit
In my experience, at least in the US, "science" doesn't carry nearly as much weight as it ought to in any of our equations.
fireyqueen@reddit
God forbid we should protect life over the almighty dollar. Thankful for those who are pushing to protect these guys. They’re really amazing creatures.
n00bdragon@reddit
Those dollars are life for people. Not saying that people should go an unlimited killing spree to rape and pillage our shared natural resources, but there are real tradeoffs to be made. Not every economic use of protected lands is a choice between adding a few coins to Scrooge McDuck's vault.
fireyqueen@reddit
What dollars? If you think that by taking away money from things like this will somehow then be used to benefit us, you’re mistaken. But that’s a whole different conversation.
But, I think you missed my point. I’m talking about when corporations can convince governments to make changes that make them more profitable but at the expense of the well being of all life (humans and animals) we’ve got our priorities all screwed up.
rutherfraud1876@reddit
But in today's society? Most of them in large part are. Wish we could make these tradeoffs without huge corporations getting in the way
themanseanm@reddit
That's one perspective, but it relies a lot on faith in the government. I think conservatively 90% of the uses aren't saving anyone and are lining pockets.
What I assume you mean is that you find these tradeoffs acceptable, or have been convinced that they are.
Can you give a good example of an 'economic use' of protected lands that is worthy and necessary to save people's lives? Because the vast majority of these projects are not building hospitals for those in need.
tennantsmith@reddit
There are examples of biologists inventing new species to prevent a hydroelectric dam from being constructed. Even if one population of fish has some sort of differently colored fins compared to nearby populations of fish, the benefits of additional clean energy for the entire planet's climate outweigh the "extinction" of a "species"
themanseanm@reddit
Ok so a Dam is a good example but again it's a small percentage of cases. You also referenced one controversy surrounding one concerned scientist. This couldn't possibly compare to the hundreds of thousands of cases of shady companies polluting the environment and enriching themselves at the cost of countless species.
To present this as a choice between clean energy and saving animals is frankly hilarious. It's so convoluted I'm inclined to think you're being disingenuous. You simply do not understand why animals are so important.
What you might have missed in your rush to ~~defend massive corporations for some reason~~ find a fitting example is that the Government used eminent domain to take the land the Dam was built on from Native Americans.
Whenever someone's actions seem incomprehensible to you, look at their motivations. Was the scientist evil and hated renewable energy? Or did they see an opportunity to make a difference and fight back against something they saw as unjust?
faifai1337@reddit
Humans aren't going to go extinct any time soon. We're not special just because we invented 7 layer dip & double entry accounting. Either all life is sacred, or none of it is.
NorwegianSteam@reddit
Or human life is sacred, crazy middle ground position.
Energy_Turtle@reddit
That sounds nice and all, but in the real world people want to live a good life better than wild animals. Societies have to work to find a balance with nature, and that involves tradeoffs.
keithrc@reddit
FTFY
ScuffedBalata@reddit
People lose faith because of bald propaganda pushed by social media.
That's a much larger issue if you want to address an issue.
brumac44@reddit
I would guess it makes a big difference if construction projects would impact an endangered species or a threatened one. So easier for rich bastards lobbying government to get building permits.
danny_ish@reddit
Rich people sure. It fwiw, i am an engineer and deal with environmental concerns and guidelines to help guide my decisions. I do not call experts and their field for every little detail. Instead, I generally rely on government classification and then add a small safety margin for the company to ensure we stay compliant. I’d imagine it’s the same with contractors and biologists.
dunfuktup1990@reddit
One aspect is residential/commercial development. And endangered classification not only protects the animals, but their environment as well. Limitations on building, boat traffic, and lots of other things come into play.
zombie_girraffe@reddit
If they were endangered we might be able to get the fucks who run my county to stop dumping sewage and fertilizer into the Indian River lagoon so they stop dying.
invisibleman13000@reddit
Yeah, that sounds right based off what I know and what comes up when you Google the issue.
Professional-Love569@reddit
They don’t fear boats as it is. They’re very curious and actually swam up to me when I was diving in FL.
chileheadd@reddit
I lived in FL for 20+ years. I've kayaked with manatees. I've snorkeled with manatees around. They are absolutely adorable creatures.
But I can confidently say you spelled "stupid" wrong.
farva_06@reddit
Curiosity and stupidity usually go hand in hand.
letsgooncemore@reddit
I heard a saying recently that was along the lines of wisdom comes from experience and experience comes from lack of wisdom
Dry-Huckleberry-1984@reddit
I have heard similarly:Experience was what you got right after you needed it
wolferiver@reddit
Well, perhaps its more accurate to say Manatees have curiosity and innocence, and that may seem to some to be stupidity.
Intelligent_Pop1173@reddit
Not when it comes to humans.
Rev_Creflo_Baller@reddit
In my experience, the opposite is true of humans, if not animals.
jeefra@reddit
I went on a snorkel tour in Florida, one wouldn't let go of my leg and sorta sucking/biting the neoprene on my wetsuit.
Look into their eyes. Those little souless spots have never known fear, they've never had a thought at all lol
Worried_Platypus93@reddit
I haven't been blessed enough to swim with them (yet) but this description reminds me a lot of my guinea pigs. Precious little guys but not a thought in their heads
Disastrous_Cat3912@reddit
Y'know the thing about a manatee, he's got... lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eyes. When he comes at ya, doesn't seem to be livin'... until he bites ya. And those black eyes roll over white, and then... oh, then you hear that terrible high-pitch screamin', the ocean turns red, and spite of all the poundin' and the hollerin', they all come in and they... rip you to pieces.
khak_attack@reddit
Omg, if I get bitten and survive, can I be a WEREMANATEE?! Like a selkie but for manatees!?
kkkktttt00@reddit
Yes, but you have to live in the St. Johns River at all times.
j2142b@reddit
I see a "Manateenado" movie spin off....
Altaira99@reddit
"they've never had a thought at all" is an ignorant statement. Animals are way more capable than we like to think.
apri08101989@reddit
Dude, lighten up it was clearly a joke utilizing exaggeration. People do the same joke with their actual pets. Esp orange cats
Wilfried84@reddit
Never mind certain humans. I have seen eyes with absolutely nothing behind them.
squareazz@reddit
The enormity of their flat brain, the enormity of their stupidity, is just overwhelming. You have to do yourself a favor when you’re out in the mangroves and you see a manatee: Try to look a manatee in the eye with great intensity, and the intensity of stupidity that is looking back at you is just amazing.
Aaarrrgghh1@reddit
Um so it’s smooth brain. Not flat brain. Smooth brain equals lesser intelligence
Migraine_Megan@reddit
They are starving to death in the Tampa area. It was in the news and those photos are burned into my brain.
Citronaut1@reddit
We actually have a few manatees near my apartment and it seems like they’re doing great right now. They even had a baby a few months ago.
benkatejackwin@reddit
Oh, whew. They must all be fine, then.
Migraine_Megan@reddit
This newspaper has been investigating and reporting on it since at least 2021. You might not see it where you live but they are still dying. Denying that only allows more of them to die, along with a lot of other marine life. People have to care and act on it. Reinstating the FL Clean Water Act would be a start. It was repealed because fuck the environment. I didn't see a single protest.
https://project.tampabay.com/investigations/wasting-away/florida-manatees-pollution-water-lagoon-starvation-seagrass/
https://www.tampabay.com/news/environment/2023/01/11/800-florida-manatees-died-2022-starvation-lingers-most-survived-red-tide/
https://www.tampabay.com/news/environment/2022/02/02/florida-manatees-still-starving-to-death-despite-intervention/
Citronaut1@reddit
Not denying it at all, I’m very aware of how fucked our coasts are. These chemical companies and the politicians they pay off deserve to be in jail. I was just sharing my experience with them.
Intelligent_Pop1173@reddit
I honestly thought they were on the brink of extinction so I’m also glad to hear they aren’t endangered anymore.
Saltwater_Heart@reddit
I had no idea they weren’t endangered anymore. That’s awesome news
saltporksuit@reddit
Don’t get excited. Their numbers are dropping again because of starvation.
Migraine_Megan@reddit
The FL manatees are starving to death. Please reach out to your congressperson, since FL's Clean Water Act was repealed it will get worse. More seagrass will die and they will keep washing up dead and emaciated without immediate action. It's horrifying to see.
One_Advantage793@reddit
This is the reason. There was a place we used to go see them in Florida when I was a kid in the 70s that's actually a marina with lots of boat traffic. The manatees were very friendly but they all had pretty nasty scars from boat props on their backs. And favorite ones regularly disappeared. I did not know it as a kid, but most likely because they were severely injured or wounds became infected and they died.
People still petted them back then and I remember there still being "swim with the manatees" places nearby - though my parents would not go, most likely because they were already endangered.
They were already listed as endangered by that time (first formal listing I found was 73, but I saw an earlier 66 listing had given "limited protection" - which I think basically meant you could not kill them on purpose). Population grew a lot since then and their status was dropped a few years ago.
Now, they are showing serious declines from starvation due to loss of sea grass habitat. So, they're in a critical state of decline again but not yet given endangered status again.
Robot_Alchemist@reddit
You don’t want to slowly domesticate them like we do bears
AlexandraThePotato@reddit
Frankly you shouldn’t be feeding or touching wild animals in Guyana too. Manatee are protected under the Endangered species act. Touching manatee or any animal can spread possible disease and affect their behavior. Legally touching is classified as “harm”.
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
Doesn't apply in guyana but ok
We coexist with the animals, most of our country is covered in unexplored jungle so helping the animals is wise.
Non of the manatees has ever contracted a disease from a human.
You can go on Instagram to the visitguyana page and you will see people feeding the manatees.
AlexandraThePotato@reddit
Legal does not mean moral. Do you have any degrees in conservation?
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
What does that have to do with anything ?
AlexandraThePotato@reddit
If you have a degree in conservation you would understand why touching wildlife is bad
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
Conservationist touch wildlife all the time 😐😐😐.
AlexandraThePotato@reddit
You clearly never worked in conservation. Wildlife biologist touch wildlife when they NEED to. For example when tagging. When performing these actions they try their best to operate safely and quickly. Wildlife biologist also know what they are doing. You and other normal people DON’T know what they are doing so they should not be touching animals.
Conservationists are not just touching animals Willy nilly
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M DOING??? Just cause you prolly don't know anything about animals don't mean I don't 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️. I grew up in a place that's full of animals that are dangerous and had to learn about animals at a very young age. I know how to die to certain animals and how to help certain animals. When you live in a place that's mostly covered in jungle you will find out fast that most animals are your best chance of survival
AlexandraThePotato@reddit
Okay, so you should know not to fucking touch them and keep your distance. That is 101
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ it's like trying to tell a old person they're wrong. Your too stuck in your ways
AlexandraThePotato@reddit
…. You would go give a bison a hug
AlexandraThePotato@reddit
Also Instagram is not a good source of info.
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
Never said Instagram was a source of info I just said if you go to the page you will see people touching manatees
ncg195@reddit
Manatees tend to become friendly towards humans with repeated exposure, and this can become dangerous to them as they are easily injured or killed by boats. We can't teach the manatees to avoid humans, so we make it illegal for humans to touch manatees.
Ok_Still_3571@reddit
I’ve heard that humans can transmit diseases to manatees, and vice versa so touching them is discouraged.
Reliable_Narrator_@reddit
This question is do completely random and bizarre!
TheGameWardensWife@reddit
Yes. 👏🏻
r2d3x9@reddit
I don’t know, directly interacting with wild animals is actively discouraged by governments in the US. Usually for the good but sometimes not. Like you don’t want people feeding bears or deer, that has bad effects.
HeyPurityItsMeAgain@reddit
You shouldn't be touching ANY wildlife. They're not pets.
Avery-Hunter@reddit
It's not just manatees. It's illegal to touch any protected animals in the US except in certain circumstances. This is to both keep them from getting habituated to humans and also to keep people from harassing or distressing them.
origional_esseven@reddit
It also eliminates ambiguity. If someone was trying to poach that animal you don't need to prove that. All you have to do is prove they touched or perturbed it and they can be tried.
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
That's something I haven't really thought about. Since poachers over here don't really pay mantees any mind because they are more exotic animals in the rainforest
mooshinformation@reddit
It's not just for manatees, we've got a few different laws to protect different types of animals and if an animal is protected by one of those laws, part of the law is no touching ( along with other stuff like no killing, protections for their habits, and a ban on selling parts of them, to discourage killing)
When you think about it as a general law to protect a bunch of different animals, maybe no touching makes more sense than someone just saying "no one can touch manatees anymore)"
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
Wow seems America has a problem with not killing animals
benkatejackwin@reddit
I mean, poaching is a thing pretty much everywhere. People kill animals all over the world for legit reasons (food), misguided reasons (animals eating their crops), and dumbass reasons (trophy hunting, fur/skins, folk medicines, etc). It's hardly just Americans.
Bluecat72@reddit
A lot of places have this problem, and many of them have laws around it because of it. How well they’re able to enforce them is a separate issue.
vanishinghitchhiker@reddit
Look up the passenger pigeon, we managed to kill them off and actually learned a lesson
Radiant_Bluebird4620@reddit
also we have the Marine Mammal Protection Act, so you have to stay away from all of them regardless of their endangered status
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
Wym all of them ?
origional_esseven@reddit
Dolphins, Whales, Manatees, Sea Lions, Sea Otters, Walrus Porpoises, Seals, etc. There are a lot of marine mammals in the US, especially once you add Hawaii, Alaska, and Puerto Rico.
Radiant_Bluebird4620@reddit
and polar bears, definitely don't pet the polar bears
ABelleWriter@reddit
But I wanna pet a polar bear.
uuntiedshoelace@reddit
You can! Once
Radiant_Bluebird4620@reddit
Reddit Cares?
RedShirtDecoy@reddit
I mean I dont think you would have to worry about the government if you tried.
velociraptorfarmer@reddit
"...if it's white, goodnight"
river-running@reddit
You won't do it more than once.
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
Ohhh I read that wrong I thought you were talking like world-wide we have to stay away from them. But that seems easy I hate the ocean so I have no reason to go near those animals in America.
Loisgrand6@reddit
Don’t forget land animals like bears, moose, buffaloes, bison and even dogs that you don’t know
OhThrowed@reddit
Every year we get a news story out of Wtoming about some tourist who tried to pet the "fluffy cows." (Bison)
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
😨😨😨 Americans shouldn't be allowed near animals because who in their right minds would go up to a bison
OhThrowed@reddit
'Americans?' Dude. The vast majority of these stories turn out to be foreign tourists. Often Chinese for some reason. So it ISN'T 'Americans.
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
I mean the people said Floridians and Louisiana so their talking about Americans. Idk about the foreign tourists cause of the whole boats and stuff but I didn't do research so I can be wrong and will admit so if I am
Loisgrand6@reddit
Saw a news story the other day where people were trying to make friends with a bear that looked liked he had walked into their neighborhood. Saw a couple at a beach that were fooling around with some kind of sea animal
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
Those just dumb and I have a love hate relationship with dogs because in America they well behaved and some will chase you but in guyana just straight up menace. Sometimes the stray dogs roam in packs and Will go from 0 to 100 real fast.
BelligerentWyvern@reddit
No but a big chunk of the world does have similar laws for many species.
SevenSixOne@reddit
Also just like... don't touch any wild animals, period? There's a good chance that you and/or the animal will be harmed in the encounter, so just enjoy them from a safe distance.
You can appreciate nature without trying to HAVE it!
tomcat_tweaker@reddit
It's not about poaching manatees specifically, that's not really a concern with them here either. It's about leaving all protected species alone so that there is never a question about anyone's intent.
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
Seems like a America problem
tomcat_tweaker@reddit
You are missing the point by a mile. Based on several of your comments, you seem to suggest that the rest of the world just leaves animals alone and doesn't need laws to protect them. That's very, very naive and ignorant. Animals are poached into non-existence all over the world. Either because of weak laws or strong laws but weak enforcement. The US decided long ago to have both strong laws with significant penalties and strong enforcement. And we aren't the only ones.
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
No offense to you but most poachers are Americans. Most countries leave animals that are going extinct alone. But I can see what your talking about and apologize if i'm coming off naive I'm just talking from experience
ca1igir1@reddit
You genuinely believe that Americans are killing elephants, rhinoceros and pangolins?
You truly believe that Americans are fueling the pangolin poaching industry. Please educate yourself on the poaching industry.
Bluecat72@reddit
Americans wouldn’t be able to come into any of these countries to poach if there weren’t people from these countries enabling them. And there’s also things like the trade in wildlife parts for traditional medicine that motivates poachers that have nothing to do with Americans.
origional_esseven@reddit
Yeah manatees aren't high on the poaching list. But the bald eagle was endangered for a while and was poached for eggs and feathers because 'MURICA so it was super useful when the bald eagle was being restored.
Wobbly_Wobbegong@reddit
Many birds are protected under the migratory bird act but eagles are extra special. The bald eagle has been protected since 1946 and the golden eagle was added in the 60s. You need special permits to do anything with a bald or golden eagle. It is illegal to possess their feathers unless you are a tribal member since feathers are sacred in some tribes and used in religious ceremonies. Juvenile bald eagles can look like golden eagles too.
Bluecat72@reddit
To expand on your comment:
Possessing feathers is also prohibited under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act. There used to be a feather trade for use on hats; we nearly wiped out egrets and terns, among others. So you cannot possess, sell, or transport feathers of covered species, even if it’s a found feather. Members of federally recognized tribes can apply for permits to use feathers in spiritual and religious practices, just the same as for eagle feathers. It’s not automatically legal in either case, you have to get the permit - except it is legal to pass them down in a family.
You can legally have feathers from non-native species. The official list of birds not covered by the MBTA is here; it was last updated in 2020.
Wobbly_Wobbegong@reddit
Yes the MBTA is spammed in the comments of any taxidermy/dead things forum whenever someone posts a feather or bird they have. It’s very funny seeing the poster respond “umm that’s great but I’m in Germany, that doesn’t apply to me”. I volunteer with a wildlife rehab that specializes in birds. If I find a feather in an enclosure, I have to take scissors and cut it up. Sucks to do with the beautiful feathers I find but it’s a liability.
Wilfried84@reddit
The Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act makes illegal even to keep a feather, even if you just find it. Certain Native Americans are granted an exception because they're part of their traditional ceremonies and culture.
Nimzay98@reddit
DDT was the primary issue.
Scavgraphics@reddit
Jake Roberts has a lot to answer for.
origional_esseven@reddit
Oh for sure, but poaching eggs used to be super popular around that time too.
eyetracker@reddit
Most intentional killings were because people thought they'd be competition for game and/or attack livestock I thought. They were protected by name in 1940 and more generally before that, yet the nadir happened later and was only fixed by removing DDT. Certainly laws don't stop dedicated poachers.
marfalump@reddit
If a tourist or a kid or someone just touches a manatee, I sure HOPE they're not accused of poaching.
I don't condone touching manatees, but when I was younger (in my 20s) we fed some cabbages to some. It was stupid, but I sure don't think someone should go to jail over that.
texasrigger@reddit
And, protected or not, it's just a good idea to leave wildlife alone in general. They aren't there for our amusement.
Zarathustra124@reddit
Then what is their purpose?
No_Water_5997@reddit
This. I used to work as a writer for a local magazine in the last city I lived in. It was a coastal city and I did an article on some dolphin research local marine biologists were doing. I went out on a boat with them and basically shadowed them the whole day while they did research. The lead scientist was telling me about how when she came to the area she was stunned at how habituated the dolphins were to humans because they’d been hand fed and interacted with them for so long. She said it was like seaworld only on a larger scale with dolphins performing tricks for fish, swimming with people, and she even witnessed an instance where someone was able to hold onto the dorsal fin for a ride. The dolphin tours would bring buckets of fish out to feed the dolphins for guests.
Part of her study was supposed to be on the way dolphins will beach their prey but because of how much interaction they had with humans she rarely, if ever, saw that behavior in those dolphins. That population of dolphins seemed to have lost that natural instinct. She said it was stunning to her.
Even on that day we had numerous dolphins come right up to the boat and do what they called begging where they stick their heads out of the water right up next to the boat hoping for a handout. It was definitely eye opening and even in the almost 10 years since I’ve left the magazine and moved out of state I vividly remember that whole day and what I learned.
FolsgaardSE@reddit
So it's bad I feed, pet and love my wild groundhog and racoons? lol Just being silly, but yes I love my wild furbabies.
Ok_Departure_3858@reddit
Do you live near other humans?
ghjm@reddit
Yes, it's bad, because you'll habituate them to humans, and then they'll approach another human and get killed. It's not safe for wild animals to lose their normal fear of human activity.
gnirpss@reddit
Because it's common for them to be injured by outboard boat motors in Florida. If people touch or feed them, that trains them to spend more time near areas where people (and therefore motor boats) are common, which makes these types of injuries more likely.
Predictor92@reddit
fun fact they are addicted to nuclear power plant outflows
Weightmonster@reddit
It’s because of the warm water from the outflows.
Actually very sad because then they don’t migrate south and if the warm water goes away, they die of cold stress.
Scavgraphics@reddit
Also... Super powered Manatees.
Fun_Push7168@reddit
The Manhattanatee project.
Independent-Sir7516@reddit
I would classify it more as a sad fact, but either way it’s an interesting fact, thanks for sharing.
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
I'm seeing why it's illegal in America now.
gnirpss@reddit
Thanks for seeing our perspective on the issue! It's definitely a policy born from a desire to protect manatees. They're a beautiful and unique species, and they're just too friendly for their own good. For the US specifically, it just makes sense to create as much space as possible between people and manatees.
Weightmonster@reddit
They’re a protected species and we don’t want people harassing them and stressing them out. Depending on the state, handling wildlife at all unless you are licensed is illegal. There are many instances where people have done this to dolphins and turtles and it doesn’t end well. Also, we don’t know if someone is trying to hurt them instead of pet them.
I can imagine a situation where people “pet” or restrain a calf and the mom flees, stranding the calf.
We have millions more people, so millions more idiots.
Plus, although I don’t think manatees are dangerous to humans, many other animals are.
They can also spread disease both ways.
They don’t allow feeding because they don’t want the manatees too close/comfortable with humans.
Although my Aunt lives in Florida and people pour hose water out of their boats to attract the manatees. Manatees like fresh water. This is also not allowed.
stabbingrabbit@reddit
I also think they can catch human diseases, like the flu or something
heathers1@reddit
because people here are so stupid and cruel that, if left unsupervised, they will ride them like ponies
cappotto-marrone@reddit
Manatees are like big water puppies that want you to play with them. It can be dangerous for them due to boats.
machagogo@reddit
Because they were endangered, and are still threatened.
Leave them be, they are wild animals, not pets.
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
All pets are wild animals to people they don't know.
machagogo@reddit
I'm not sure if you think this is profound, but it simply is not true.
A domesticated dog is nothing like a wolf.
Your neighbors cat is not going to eat you like a brown bear will.
People like you thinking wild animals are docile and friendly. like this is why so, so many people get injured...
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
Because people ignore common sense . Would you run up to a random dog you don't know and would expect it to bark or run away from you ?. Most animals if you proceed with caution won't do anything to you, for example the black caiman is something I grew up seeing laying on the road while walking to school and if walk at a safe distance it would leave you alone and sometimes they let you touch them but if you run up like maniac, they will react in two ways.
sapphireminds@reddit
What happens when you make an animal comfortable with humans approaching them (instead of treating humans as a danger)? The animals learn that humans aren't a threat. How cute, right?
Except humans are not safe. Some will hurt on accident, some will on purpose, some will be hurt by a normal reaction by the wild animal.
It's much safer for everyone to allow wild animals to be wild and stay away from them and have the appropriate level of fear of humans.
HereandThere96@reddit
If you allow people to pet them, then dumbass people with try to ride them in the wster.
Mysterious-Alps-4845@reddit
It also doesn't help that people often have sunscreen and other chemicals on their hands/skin. It's unfortunate that idiots exist. I witnessed a older couple feed black bear cubs at a well marked pull off. They gave them hotdogs by hand then pickled eggs then decided it was enough. The male cub was aggressive and wanted more and the lady hit him on the head with a camera. All the while other people are yelling "don't feed the bears". luckily momma bear didn't think there was danger or she would have torn the lady to shreds.
patty202@reddit
They are wild animals. If they are in a marine wildlife sanctuary or a zoo, some times you can touch them. But not in their natural habitat.
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
Why would you put them in zoo?
patty202@reddit
I live in Florida. My local zoo has a manatee rescue. Some that are too badly injured cannot be released back into the wild and are there for educational purposes.
BoBoBearDev@reddit
There are manetees in America?
Candid_Cricket_8118@reddit
In Florida it’s because there’s too many idiots. People will ride them, carve their initials on them and other cruel things.
snoweel@reddit
You're just trying to get us to come to Guyana, aren't you?
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
HELL NO . No offense but when Americans go places the price of living goes way up and that would be bad
RichardAboutTown@reddit
Our manatees live in Florida. You can't trust Americans with wildlife, but you really gotta keep your eye on Floridians.
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
I kinda got that bc most of the replies mention in Florida they get killed by boats
RichardAboutTown@reddit
That was mostly a joke for the Americans.
stangAce20@reddit
You can’t trust tourists so its safer to make it illegal
Maurice_Foot@reddit
Because Americans with speedboats are idiots and we don't want Manatees associating people with food.
Same with bears; don't feed the bears!
Rbkelley1@reddit
DONT TOUCH THE FAT SEALS
Large_Lie9177@reddit
manatees are gentle creatures that need protection. petting them can make them lose their natural fear of humans which can lead to dangerous situations for them. keeping a safe distance helps ensure they stay wild and thrive in their environment.
BelleMakaiHawaii@reddit
Because they are wild, endangered creatures, we had two (mom and calf) sneak up on us while snorkeling in Florida, I turned around and the baby’s face was in my face (I think it was snuffling me) they are HUGE, I found a new skill in swimming backwards, we didn’t touch them, and reported the sighting (I filmed them tho)
Anthrodiva@reddit
Marine Mammal Act covers more than just manatees. "Petting" wild animals disrupts their behavior, contaminates their ecology (engine oil, sunscreen) and can be fatal to the person doing the petting.
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
Never heard of that act till today
SheepherderAware4766@reddit
1) their behavior changes to not be afraid of boats. Props can hurt them and they can sink small boats like canoes.
2) human skin oil destroys their natural protective grease layer. In the wild, this regenerates naturally, but with constant human contact, this layer can't regrow enough to protect them and leaves them susceptible to illnesses.
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
Oh dam
BrilliantDishevelled@reddit
Why would you need to pet a wild animal?
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
Why not
seancbo@reddit
Because Marine Biologists hate us and were sent from hell to make us all miserable under the guise of conservation
PET THE SEAL. PET THE MANATEE. HOLD TURTLE. BEND NATURE TO YOUR WILL.
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
I don't think seals are in the amazon rain forest same with the turtle. Wait nvm I just remembered the leather back turtle lays eggs on Guyanas shores
alvysinger0412@reddit
There are places you can go where you can swim with manatees, such as Crystal River. You're not allowed to seek out touching them but they'll often come close to you and may hug you. Paying for this experience often supports manatee preservation.
Being hit by boat propellers is no longer the leading cause of manatee deaths, due to a variety of awareness campaigns and protections put in place, such as no wake zones where large populations are. The leading cause now is, unfortunately, climate changes effects instead more or less.
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
Why would I wanna swim with them?. I like land thank you 😂😂😂😂
SneakySalamder6@reddit
Manatees are notorious for snitching
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
😂😂😂
ThotsforTaterTots@reddit
Don’t worry, a lot of us know where Guyana is because of a guy named Jim Jones. Other people answered your manatee question :)
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
Pastor Jones was a good man 😂😂😂. I'm lying he died way before I was born so I know nothing about him except that he was an American cult leader and the whole poisoning most of his cult.
mariachoo_doin@reddit
I'm stunned that nobody has brought up one of the most hilarious viral videos of all time.
Also, Guyana is still infamous for the horrible Jones massacre, (the sad origin of the drinking the kool-aid phrase) not as much with younger generations, but it's funny seeing op describe it like it's not well known by two generations.
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
😂😂😂 Oh yea jones town I forgot about that. I'm pretty sure their letting people go visit it after being closed to the public for a while.
Yea alot of people know about jones town but still don't know where it is. You would be surprised how many times I said I'm from guyana and people think I said Ghana , so I have to break down exactly where it is and the fact we don't speak Spanish or Portuguese and we aren't Latin American
ratmom666@reddit
Because manatee’s are protected animals and they are incapable of being “mean”, plus if people were allowed to pet them then they’ll start to trust humans and even try to go near boats. It’s just for their safety, it’s illegal to touch any other protected animals too.
two-memes-a-day@reddit
I..hmm. Why would you want to know that?
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
Because I thought it was legal are the world...
MsPooka@reddit
If you do go and swim with manatees, they're allowed to touch you. So that's something. But you're also not allowed to touch wild dolphins or many other animals. I think it's best to keep people away from wild animals for everyone's safety and happiness.
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
Oh make sense
Prize_Consequence568@reddit
Google search to find out.
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
That's the reason I asked
redentification@reddit
You got your answer, and now i have a question: How did this come up? Did you try to touch one and had to be stopped? Did you ask your friends if they wanted to go touch manatees with you? 😂
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
Nope I was watching a YouTube video of a manatee coming up to a driver and holding her leg but she Said she couldn't touch it because it was illegal so she had to wait until it left on it's own. I kinda got surprised because I thought touching manatees were legal then I searched it up and it said touching manatees in America was illegal, which I thought was dumb. Until I asked my question and see how SOME American people are kinda the problem
redentification@reddit
Your reason for asking makes perfect sense. It's interesting to me, too, because I never thought in other places people could touch them! Now I wonder...in other countries are they also known as sea cows? 🐮
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
No at least I never heard it
helikophis@reddit
Manatees are regularly severely injured and maimed by propellers on motorized boats. It’s best for people in motor boats to not approach them at all.
RobotShlomo@reddit
Yes, manatees are considered "threatened" on are a protected species. That's why human interaction is banned.
Suspicious_Tea7319@reddit
They’re endangered or otherwise on the list of animals whose populations are a concern. I had one swim right up to me when I was waist deep fishing in the Matanzas river back when I was in Highschool
Penguin_Life_Now@reddit
Yes, they passed a law about 30 years ago making it illegal as their numbers were declining in the wild
dgillz@reddit
Marine Mammal Protection Act, in 1972. So 53 years.
Penguin_Life_Now@reddit
The law I was thinking about was passed in the 1990's prior to that it was legal to pet them if they approached you.
Rogue_Cheeks98@reddit
It wasn’t legal, due to the marine mammal protection act, which passed in 72.
You may be thinking of a state law or something, but it’s been federally illegal since that act passed
dogatthewheel@reddit
It’s much easier to prove someone was touching an animal than harming it
Some people are monsters and will literally carve names into their bodies. They are so docile they don’t understand the threat
https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/news/2021/01/11/investigation-manatee-trump-etched-algae-back-florida/6631493002/
ScuffedBalata@reddit
People chase them with boats to get to swim with/pet them. They end up injuring them often.
Ok-Heart375@reddit
Video shows manatee with ‘TRUMP’ etched into its back | CNN https://share.google/S2Fb5tYh04ppLvSpT
Cant-think-of-a-nam@reddit
Because it encourages their behavior. Then they get comfortable around humans and thats what could get them killed
BoseSounddock@reddit
Because they’re big dumb idiots that will die if they get too close to boats with motors, so we’d like to keep them fat and happy out in the mangroves
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
Heyyy their not idiots just dumb 😒😒😒 one insult will do. And out of all the replies it seems like America has a problem with over doing stuff
BoseSounddock@reddit
We’ve literally been throwing lettuce at their noses to keep them alive and alert.
They ignore most of it
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
So your throwing food at them and they ignore it as a threat?
BoseSounddock@reddit
They don’t recognize threats. That’s why so many of them have scars on their back from motorboats
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
I mean in America it doesn't seem like it have predators bc I've seen most of they're deaths are from boats but over in south America theirs caimans, jaguars and giant river otters to keep the manatees on their figurative toes
starstair_@reddit
Idk if you have many friendly squirrels where you live, but if you do you might understand how annoying animals who are used to humans are. On college campuses especially, squirrels will walk up to people and you can get pretty close. I've never touched one but it's cause I'm scared to. Basically all this is because dumb college students feed them so they figure if they act all cute they'll get fed. It's not pleasant and reminds me just how harmful we are as a species.
Anyway my point is manatees are probably the same way, even in places they're common and unthreatened.
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
No them little shits are menaces.
That's exactly how they act in the park but when they leave ,they don't go up to people. I think they know only to go up to people in the park and not in the wild
Strong_Landscape_333@reddit
I don't know
Do you want to have some random animal you don't know touch you lol
I've seen them in the wild a bunch of times and leave them alone
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
I mean I lived in a country that's 80 percent covered in the Amazon jungle so animals I don't know have touched me before I let it. Like spiders, a snake got into my bed one time when we had a power outage and multiple different types of lizards and frogs. So animals I don't know touching me isn't anything new
LSBm5@reddit
Because petting ANY wild animal is a dipshit thing to do.
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
Why ?
yourgrandmasgrandma@reddit
What would you even want to touch a wild animal? Leave them alone.
polkjamespolk@reddit
But petting the bison in Yellowstone is still okay, right?
ItsBaconOclock@reddit
Only if you do it next to the boiling mud pits.
So that when the bison gets pissed, your only options are to be trampled, or boiled to death in stinky mud.
used-to-have-a-name@reddit
🤣🦬🪦
DiscontentDonut@reddit
I would never touch a wild animal because logically I know there are repercussions, some of which I may be unaware of. However, I have to admit there are several wild animals out there that give off a very cuddly, cozy vibes from far away. Manatees are one of them. They're such gentle, sweet, unthreatening creatures. Cuteness aggression is very real, and manatees fill me with it.
Willowed-Wisp@reddit
I totally get that. Every time I see a lynx I get the urge to squeeze it and rub it's tummy. But I don't really want to touch them, because there's really no way for me to do that without causing them harm or stress.
Here's hoping, if there is some kind of afterlife, we can cuddle all the wild animals we want.
riarws@reddit
If you ever touch a lynx, the lynx won’t be the only one suffering harm and stress.
ImHidingFromMy-@reddit
I want to play with the feets
SophisticPenguin@reddit
Look, I agree you shouldn't, but let's be realistic here; people like to touch fluffy animals, we're weird like that as a species...
YardSardonyx@reddit
Manatees are sweet, friendly, curious, adorable, and nonthreatening. They will swim right up to you like big water puppies and will totally let you touch them if you try to. If they were big violent ugly sea spiders we wouldn’t need to have a law about not petting them.
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
Yea manatees are really sweet. I have a fond memory when I was little and my parents took me to feed the mantees and I was unsupervised for a minute and I tried feeding them on my own and when my mom noticed she kinda said my name too loud and I kinda spooked and slipped on the edge luckily my mom was close by and grab my arm as I was falling into the water and the mantees even tried guiding me back to shore as my mom was pulling me out.
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
They are tons of wild animals people touch like lizards, birds and etc
EtchingsOfTheNight@reddit
I don't know about lizard, but I would be out there touching wild birds either
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
Yea
_skank_hunt42@reddit
Touching wild animals is generally taught to be a bad idea. People are still jerks and there’s plenty of videos on the internet of people messing with wildlife here but I think most people agree to leave animals alone - including marine life.
My parents live in Monterey, CA and a huge pet peeve of mine is seeing people fucking with and stepping on creatures in the tide pools. Look but don’t touch people!
Infamous-Yellow-8357@reddit
Manatees are super friendly and curious. Feeding or playing with them will make them want to come toward people, and unfortunately, people suck. The manatees will get torn up by propellers on boats or be harmed by people being stupid. That law protects the manatees since they are too sweet and stupid to protect themselves.
CrazyJoe29@reddit
Too many Americans, not enough manatees.
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
😂😂😂
ghostwriter85@reddit
Aside from the stuff people have already mentioned,
To discourage a harmful type of ecotourism. Just googling here, Guyana gets about 200K visitors a year. Florida gets about 143 million.
These sorts of things are less of a problem when the scale is relatively low, and the geography is constrained.
On the other hand, Florida is huge (geographically and population), and they get tons of visitors. Rather than trying to police interactions with the manatees, it's much easier to say, "don't touch them".
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
Wow that much 🤔🤔🤔 numbers are rising
joepierson123@reddit
I mean probably the reason and why it's not legal to keep a squirrel, they're wild animals leave them be
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
Why would I want a squirrel as a pet ?
SpeedLow3@reddit
Why would you need to touch them?
YardSardonyx@reddit
Because they come right up to you and practically beg for pets. If you’re in the water with them sometimes they might even give you a hug, a kiss, or some nibbles. They’re really social and friendly and they love humans.
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
They're cute and they're very social creatures 😭😭😭 I'm sorry
Realk314@reddit
manatees are very aggressive even though they don't appear so. But also getting off the endangered list doesn't mean much. American boaters are stupid and if they want to pet them or not Manatees aren't bright either and will swim right into a boat and the best case senario end up with scars and be hurt for a long time.
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
Not doubting you but I've never seen the manatees be aggressive they just eat the grass you feed it and leave.
I'm starting to see something common in with all these responses and most of them has to do with boats. Which might be the difference bc in guyana boats don't go where the mantees live they usually come to the pond and leave
Realk314@reddit
or the boats have captains that care with possibly smaller propellers? in my experience they don't sense the danger.
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
That might be a possibility since the only people that really goes where the mantees live is our indigenous people and most of their boats use paddles and some use fully wooden boats with a engine on the back of the boat
OmNomChompsky@reddit
Well, they kinda swim right up to you and bump you and nibble in your swim trunks if you are in the water with them. I used to snorkel silver springs and other popular springs and pull trash that the assholes would chuck out their boats and ran into manatees pretty much every visit. They are incredibly docile and gentle.
nojustnoperightonout@reddit
I am absolutely in favor of every protection for them, but I certainly understand the "if not friend, why friend shaped?" Because they are just so nice. Just genuinely happy pals, floating along, looking all cute.
Human-Engineering715@reddit
Petting MOST wild animals is illegal, not just manatees.
The reason why is because they're WILD animals not pets. It's dangerous to you and to them.
Don't touch any wild animal. Full stop.
sneezhousing@reddit
They aren't very bright and they are very friendly
If you pet them they lose fear and don't run from boats.
neomoritate@reddit
Because Americans are assholes, and would fuck up the lives of Manatees without the threat of prison
JadeHarley0@reddit
Because you can harm a wild animal by touching it. Even if it only scares them, this could chase them from the area and thus make it harder for them to survive. You might also accidently injure them, if, for example, you are trying get your boat close to them. You can transfer diseases to them. There is basically no good reason to touch a wild animal. And if it's an animal that's as endangered as a manatee, there is especially no good reason to touch them.
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
The mantees in south America cannot digest the water so it's hard for them get food in the water but I see where your coming from.
We don't use boats to see them, it's a big pond that leads out the demara river which leads out the ocean.
That is bad
GrassBlock001@reddit
They got comfortable around humans and would start swimming up to boats to get food to pets. The propellers from the boats would cut them or kill them.
invisibleman13000@reddit
They are on the line between endangered and threatened and are protected by the various different animal laws in the US (Marine Mammal Protection Act and Florida's Manatee Sanctuary Act).
Allowing people to pet them risks making them to comfortable around humans and getting them killed should they no longer run from things like boats.
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
I can see why that can be bad.
mythicalwolf00@reddit
You shouldn’t touch them (or any wild animal) because they already get killed a ton by boats, not to mention it familiarizes them with people too much. (Also an endangered animal is an endangered animal.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manatee_conservation
Ok_Helicopter2305@reddit
They are protected animal. Anything that could harm, disrupt behavior, or increase risk to them is illegal.
TeachingSpiritual888@reddit (OP)
That makes sense
NoDoOversInLife@reddit
The 1972 Marine Mammal Protection Act and the 1973 Endangered Species Act made it illegal to feed, touch, harass, harm, hunt or kill manatees.
Essentially, it's because they were at risk of becoming extinct in US waters. The aforementioned acts, plus the Marine Mammal Sanctuary in Florida have helped greatly in increasing the number of manatees found (and now thriving) in US waters. In spite of these protections, they still become severely injured or killed by careless/reckless humans in boats. Penalties for killing a manatee with a boat can include a fine up to $50,000 USD, one year in jail and the seizure of the offenders boat. Thankfully, there are plenty of people and organizations with deep pockets that can influence the drafting of laws to protect this keystone species*.
Slight_Literature_67@reddit
It's considered harassment. Touching them causes them unnecessary stress and disease, and it can also cause them to react differently from what's natural to them. Additionally, if they lose their natural fear of humans, it puts them at risk of harm. In Florida, for example, manatees are often injured or killed by boats. Although manatees are no longer listed as endangered, they are still considered threatened. They are wild animals; they are not here for people's pleasure and inability to keep their hands to themselves.
fried_clams@reddit
There are many national and international treaties and agreements that protect marine mammals. Chances are, wherever you are, you are most likely subject to regulations. Here is an AI summary:
AI Overview +8 Several international treaties and agreements protect marine mammals, including the UN-agreed BBNJ Agreement for areas beyond national jurisdiction and the Convention on the Conservation of Migratory Species (CMS), which focuses on species like whales and dolphins that cross borders. The NAMMCO Agreement cooperates on marine mammal management in the North Atlantic, and regional agreements also exist. Additionally, treaties like the Convention on Biological Diversity address broader biodiversity conservation, and the International Maritime Organization (IMO) is involved in the BBNJ treaty's implementation. Key international treaties for marine mammals
How these treaties work
U.S. approach to marine mammal protection
ShipComprehensive543@reddit
https://legalclarity.org/why-is-it-illegal-to-touch-manatees
GrowlingAtTheWorld@reddit
You could give them an illness from touching.
Poi-s-en@reddit
Yes the Florida manatee is endangered (~1,267). The manatees you have are Antillean manatees which number about 7,000.
It’s a different species of manatee, and the number of Florida manatees have increased significantly in the past 30 years thanks to the protections they have been given as well as serious enforcement of no wake zones where manatees can be found.
_Smedette_@reddit
They’re wild animals. Petting them encourages them to interact with humans and changes their behavior.
ParticularBuyer6157@reddit
Letting them get comfortable around people will get them killed
chinchaaa@reddit
Because they’re wild animals. It’s not a petting zoo.
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