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Colink98@reddit

It’s strange isn’t it I recall once walking out of a job on Christmas Eve and it was the most relaxed Christmas I ever had

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Still_Excitement_714@reddit

ya cause you're were no longer a slave and a free human

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ninjaluvr@reddit

Comparing having to work to slavery really diminishes the true atrocity and awfulness that is slavery.

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zfs_@reddit

We’re all unwilling participants in capitalism, forced to labor under duress. That’s absolutely a form of slavery.

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hutacars@reddit

> We’re all unwilling participants in capitalism, forced to labor under duress. Oh right, forgot no one is forced to labor in any other economic system.

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wrincewind@reddit

just under all the ones we've tried so far...

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hutacars@reddit

Which economic system do you propose under which no one is "forced to labor under duress?"

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if some guy on reddit could figure it out, we'd have implemented it a thousand years ago. It's an intractable, *almost* impossible problem - but that doesn't mean we should stop looking. The future doesn't have to be a corporate-owned dystopia.

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hutacars@reddit

> we'd have implemented it a thousand years ago There are a lot of barriers to implementing a new economic system, many of which involve those at the top wanting to remain at the top-- and those *not* at the top wanting the possibility to *become* the top, meaning there has to *be* a top. With that in mind, the phrase "capitalism is the worst economic system, except for all the others" comes to mind. The moment you try to implement a more egalitarian system, someone else will come along and figure out how to make themselves more equal than others until you're back at square one.

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LiquidOracle@reddit

Doesn’t matter the system you’re in humanity hell animals have to work

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RifewithWit@reddit

I always kinda say it like this: "The default condition of nature is to work for your sustenance or die. Our more civilized way of doing it in a more specialized manner doesn't change that fact."

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a-r-c@reddit

except there's enough for everyone we just choose not to distribute it properly it's not nature at all

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LiquidOracle@reddit

Well put

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ninjaluvr@reddit

No it's not. There's no system that doesn't require people to work to survive. From social democracy to anarcho socialism to communism, people need running water, food, electricity and other necessities. And that requires people work.

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Frothyleet@reddit

>There's no system that doesn't require people to work to survive Well, that depends on whether humanity avoids destroying itself before achieving a post-scarcity economy, a la *Star Trek*. Space communism doesn't require people to work, but it requires free energy.

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RagnarDan82@reddit

Yep, as long as we have to deal with entropy, we have to perform work. The need to input energy to keep order from turning to disorder is a universal constant.

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ninjaluvr@reddit

Fair point. I concede the point in a post scarcity society of space Communism. I hope that gets here soon!

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Frothyleet@reddit

Thank you, my pedantry is satisfied.

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ninjaluvr@reddit

Cheers and thanks for the smile. You got me hopeful for a future in the stars!

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Still_Excitement_714@reddit

go to another sub with your political bull crap

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ninjaluvr@reddit

I'm not talking politics. Just pointing out a job isn't slavery.

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maetthew@reddit

Not really. Conscious or subconscious slavery is still slavery.

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ninjaluvr@reddit

Absolutely. And working a job isn't slavery.

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maetthew@reddit

It's slavery disguised as choice.

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ninjaluvr@reddit

No, it's just a job.

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maetthew@reddit

It's a job, which most people are forced to do carry out. Direct or indirect duress, still slavery.

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ninjaluvr@reddit

In every system, be it communism, socialism, capitalism, or just a family alone in the woods, you have to work to live. People need running water, clean water, food to eat and a ton of other necessities. That requires people to work. It's not slavery, it's a fact of life.

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GroteGlon@reddit

I would say fixing the things you need yourself is working to live. Governments make that impossible, and force you to work a job. wages, taxes, and interest moving all the resources to a couple of very influential people, and making it impossible to stop because someone will take everything and put you in a tiny concrete cage is definitely slavery.

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hutacars@reddit

> Governments make that impossible, and force you to work a job. Huh? Nothing stopping you from buying some land and growing your own crops. There are some laws against going completely off grid, which I agree are a problem.

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GroteGlon@reddit

How would you afford the land? And even when you buy that land you're not allowed to do what you want on it. You still have to follow rules, regulation, pay money for this and that and such and so. It's impossible to live in any other way than a member of a society without getting all your liberties taken away, and if your luck is bad enough, your liberties will still be taken away. So, we're all under indirect duress to work a job.

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hutacars@reddit

Yes, there's too many people for everyone to just grab a nearby plot of arable land and do as they want with it. That's why governments formed and became as powerful as they are in the first place. At the end of the day you do have to support your own existence at a minimum in a certain type of way, so unless you opt to become a wealthy capitalist and live off interest, some amount of labor will always be involved. Whether it's a "job," as in providing labor in exchange for legally-recognized tender, is up to you. The most efficient option is to get a "real job" and work it just long enough to buy the land you need, but other options could include being a farm hand (living on someone else's farm, using their lodging, eating their food), WWOOFing, or taking on debt to buy a farm and then farming extra and using the proceeds to repay the debt. Even then, ultimately, we *do* live in a society... if you get sick you likely want someone trained and qualified to perform your surgery, not DIYing it or having the local barber do it, and you likely want someone to oversee licensure to make sure they aren't faking it, and that person wants compensation for *their* service, and then we're back to paying the government again. Though I suppose just dying is also always an option, just like in the olden days. Go into debt for a farm, never file taxes, never leave said farm, farm until you're too decrepit or sick to do so, then die there of either starvation of sickness. I prefer the job option. (Actually, I prefer the wealthy capitalist option, which is why I'm choosing that instead.)

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ninjaluvr@reddit

Yeah, no one puts you in a cage if you quit the sysadmin job

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GroteGlon@reddit

Try to quit working alltogether and just get your own shit yourself. See how long that goes on before you get put into a prison.

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ninjaluvr@reddit

Not working isn't a crime in the US

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GroteGlon@reddit

And without a job you can't afford to live. That would be fine if it wasn't illegal to do everything else you need to do without expensive permits etc, and that's if it hasn't been banned outright. There's no option to live for yourself and sustain yourself. It's either worth a job that, for most people, barely keeps them floating. Or just everything with no way of having a semi decent life.

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ninjaluvr@reddit

I hear ya. Life isn't easy. Life requires food, water, electricity, among other necessities. And those don't magically fall from the sky. Even in communist and socialist countries, people have to work to live. It's kind of the default condition for life.

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GroteGlon@reddit

Yeah, you're still not getting it though. The problem is that you don't have a choice. You HAVE to participate in society, and if you try to live like we did before all this shit, you'll get put in a jail because you will 100% do something that someone said wasn't allowed. We're being forced to participate in society, which means we are forced to work a job that for the majority barely pays the bills, which means that we're all working under duress. Thus, we are slaves to people with a lot more money.

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maetthew@reddit

Yes. But the current system sits on a foundation of debt, where privately controlled banks create currency ex nihilo and puts a price tag on it and calls it interest. This system slowly and steadily moves the resources from the majority to the minority leaving majority scrambling for pieces.

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ninjaluvr@reddit

Yeah, it sucks. But it's not slavery. You always have to work.

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maetthew@reddit

“There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.” – John Adams

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ninjaluvr@reddit

Being a sysadmin isn't slavery.

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maetthew@reddit

It is a form of slavery if you're forced to do it more than you would if you weren't in fact forced.

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ninjaluvr@reddit

No one is forced to be a sysadmin.

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maetthew@reddit

No one said any one was forced to be a sysadmin.

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ninjaluvr@reddit

That's literally the sub we're in. And that's literally how this conversation started. Someone quit their sysadmin job and someone said that was good because now they're no longer a slave. I'm pointing out they never were.

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maetthew@reddit

And I'm pointing out most people's are slaves, and while no one is literally forced to become a sysadmin, most people are forced on to some kind of occupation, where most are forced to literally sell more and more their time in exchange for less and less of the resources. Be it sysadmin or not, most people wouldn't spend 8 hours a day on their occupation if they had the option not to.

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ninjaluvr@reddit

Sure, but again life requires food, water, etc. People have other necessities. And thus everyone has to have job. And jobs aren't slavery.

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maetthew@reddit

Cognitive dissonance is a bitch..

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ninjaluvr@reddit

You'd know best.

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Still_Excitement_714@reddit

go to another sub with your political bull crap

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maetthew@reddit

Go hide under a rock if you can't handle reality.

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ninjaluvr@reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/s/JAfL0cJQ1E

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Still_Excitement_714@reddit

go to another sub with your political bull crap

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ninjaluvr@reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/s/JAfL0cJQ1E

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Purple-Path-7842@reddit

Idk bro, we are all slaves

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ninjaluvr@reddit

Viva la revolution

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Purple-Path-7842@reddit

Ain't no revolution gonna change it. It's life. You work so you can have enough to scrape by and live. Is what it is.

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renegadecanuck@reddit

I get your point, but this is a very common colloquialism, and is this really the hill you want to die on? (Or does that idiom diminish the severity and finality of death?)

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ninjaluvr@reddit

I'm not dying on any hill. Just pointing out being a sysadmin isn't slavery.

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qlz19@reddit

Whether or not you are correct, you are being a real asshole about people venting about their jobs. That makes you insufferable.

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a-r-c@reddit

he's being perfectly reasonable and you're flipping the fuck out because you feel called out grow the hell up

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ninjaluvr@reddit

Wait what? How have I been an asshole. All I've said is that a job isn't slavery. The system sucks and I fully support any and everyone venting about their jobs. Vent away!

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qlz19@reddit

You are literally arguing with people comparing their jobs to slavery. We all know our jobs aren’t the same as literal slavery from the history of North America, and more widespread over the rest of the world, as you’ve so frequently pointed out here. Not sure what your end goal is with that but just to be clear, that sort of thing makes people not want you around. Try to reflect on your behavior and what you hoped to accomplish.

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ninjaluvr@reddit

> We all know our jobs aren’t the same as literal slavery from the history of North America, and more widespread over the rest of the world, as you’ve so frequently pointed out here. I think you know that. Others clearly don't. > Not sure what your end goal is with that but just to be clear, that sort of thing makes people not want you around. My goal is to simply point out that being a sysadmin isn't slavery. And plenty of people want me around. Maybe I'll convince you with my charm one day. > Try to reflect on your behavior and what you hoped to accomplish. That is awesome advice and something I try to set aside time for every day. Thanks!

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RiceeeChrispies@reddit

it's not that deep mate

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ninjaluvr@reddit

Agreed. A job isn't slavery.

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Diver_D6@reddit

You are why people vote. I mean that as Respectfully as I can.

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robisodd@reddit

>**slave** /slāv/ noun >1\. One who is owned as the property of someone else, especially in involuntary servitude. >2\. One who is subservient to or controlled by another. >*"his boss's slave."* >3\. One who is subject to or controlled by a specified influence. >*"a slave to alcohol; a slave to an irrational fear."* I don't think anybody here thinks work is equivalent to chattel slavery and are risking being physically beaten, starved or killed. It's just a different definition of the word. Like master/slave cable IDE settings.

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ninjaluvr@reddit

> I don't think anybody here thinks work is equivalent to chattel slavery That's real good.

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Uwu-was-taken@reddit

It’s wild that you have to defend this statement.

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Splask@reddit

I've only ever walked out of one job, many years ago. I'm glad I did it once so I can look back to the memory of that free feeling.

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New_Health_8432@reddit

That's actually pretty telling when getting fired feels like a weight lifted off your shoulders - sounds like you were probably in a toxic situation longer than you realized

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Top-Perspective-4069@reddit

I take time off every Christmas and always think about not going back.

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Ohgodwatdoplshelp@reddit

Honestly it’s my dream to get fired from my current job, especially right before the holidays. It pays well and I can survive the bullshit just long enough to get through the day, but I can’t quite justify my hatred for it enough to up and quit.

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Octoclops8@reddit

Man if I got fired I would not have to work again, but I would have all the household chores. Currently I have about 45% to 55%.

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TooOldForThis81@reddit

If I get fired, 12 months severance. I want to leave so bad, but I'll be arsed if I walk away. Just have to ensure I don't give them a reason to fire me for cause.

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Savings_Art5944@reddit

Corporate Cancer Culture. It happened to me early on and decided it was not for me.

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puggs91@reddit

So u left corporate world? Where now?

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Savings_Art5944@reddit

I say early on.. I lasted about 4 years at the corporate level. I quit and then worked at a small MSP. Then I moved to New Orleans and started my own one man MSP. Moved to AZ and been doing MSP and other stuff since. Trying to break into the Datacenter world now.

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apple_tech_admin@reddit

You will experience a lot of emotions. Right now, the most important thing is to ensure you file for unemployment if you are in the U.S. and give yourself time to process everything. I'm sure right now you're in shock which would explain the calm and sense of relief. I wish you the best in this market.

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meatboy_43@reddit

And health insurance, cobra is ridiculously expensive.....

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ImaginaryTradition31@reddit

It's a damn shame healthcare is still tied up with employment. Traditional Medicare is the bomb, if you can live long enough to get it.

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Grrl_geek@reddit

True, but depending on your yearly income, you may qualify for "Obamacare" or whatever it's called in your state.

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SpaceCptWinters@reddit

For clarity, it's referred to nationally at the ACA, or Affordable Care Act.

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fencepost_ajm@reddit

Yep, and even in red states people love the ACA but they hate the idea of "Obamacare" :facepalm: The ACA let them get insurance, eliminated preexisting condition exclusions, let them keep their kids insured up to age 26, while Obamacare was just some plot of a) the Democrat party b) that black guy who was in their White House.

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FlatusGiganticus@reddit

The ACA has some good features as you listed, but the reality is that it is inherently broken and needs major reform for it to be viable.

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fencepost_ajm@reddit

Sure the US system with the ACA sucks and is broken - it's just not quite as broken as the US system *without* the ACA. Or the truly cynical corollary to Sturgeon's law: there's no guarantee that the other ten percent isn't *also* crap.

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FlatusGiganticus@reddit

The previous version was deeply flawed no doubt, but it was also 1/4 the cost and I had more flexibility in how and from whom I obtained services.

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virtualadept@reddit

LeVay was, unfortunately, once again correct.

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Sh1rvallah@reddit

The people with low income love it. The people with middle income propping up the whole system hate it. The people with high income don't need it and don't pay into it. A lot of it is good but the funding aspect is terrible. It's a half baked solution, private healthcare still taking in the big bucks. A full on socialized healthcare system would be leagues better. For profit health insurance is a blight on society.

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fencepost_ajm@reddit

Yep, and IIRC the blame at the least around the creation of the ACA should go to Joe Lieberman and Max Baucus for ensuring that no public option could be included. I suppose you could also blame John McCain for keeping the Republicans from destroying it (which IMHO would eventually have led to something like Medicare For All though probably not for many painful years - we almost certainly wouldn't have it yet).

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FortuneIIIPick@reddit

Obamacare, ACA, whatever you want to call it, changed Healthcare in the US probably forever and shifted the burden of insurance to the working class. I did lose my doctor as a software developer contractor with independent insurance because our insurer stopped doing business in our state in 2014 along with several others who could no longer offer affordable independent plans, which is sadly ironic. ACA helps some and hurts others. It was primarily done to try and keep owning the vote of black and latino people with the Democrat party and for no other reason. So please stop with the political and racist garbage commentary.

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BathSaltEnjoyer69@reddit

as long as you aren't in a shithole state, your states public health plans are much better and cheaper if not free compared to cobra

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notHooptieJ@reddit

huh, colorado is a shithole state. without employer subsidies, cobra is cheaper than anything on the marketplace, and people are 'taking advantage' of it. its always been obscene to get cobra, the fact its competitive at all now should be a conviction of the current medical industry.

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flecom@reddit

can confirm: live in a shithole state

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WWGHIAFTC@reddit

That doesn't sound nearly as villainous though.

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CelestialFury@reddit

>Obamacare That's just a nickname the Republicans gave the ACA to villianize common sense national healthcare. I mean, it's based off of "Romneycare" which comes from... the fucking Heritage Foundation of all places. Yes, the same Heritage Foundation you're thinking of. Obama used the most right-wing think tank in the US for the basis of national healthcare and the right still complained about it. Shit, we're still waiting for the Republican national healthcare plan for the last 2 weeks and 8 years. Sorry for the mini-rant, but the whole affair still angers me to this day. Americans deserve real healthcare and not the absolute control company's have over their employees insurance plans.

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Sh1rvallah@reddit

Aca is not really national healthcare though

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Grrl_geek@reddit

Completely agree with all of the above. In NY State you get it thru Marketplace (because I can never tell the difference between Medicaid and Medicare; wow, I'm gonna be a hot mess when/if I retire).

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TheChance@reddit

Poor people get aid. Old people get care.

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Grrl_geek@reddit

Thanks! Even I can remember *that*.

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flecom@reddit

I thought the idea of ACA was from the nixon era?

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CelestialFury@reddit

The Heritage Foundation has been around a long time, but they're the ones who created. It may be the only decent thing they're ever done even if it was for profit reasons.

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03263@reddit

There's no income limit to buy a plan

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apple_tech_admin@reddit

That is a problem on its own due to recent policies.

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5panks@reddit

The were additional subsidies that were passed to offset COVID costs, they were never meant to be permanent. Of they were meant to be permanent why wouldn't the politicians that passed them have just made them permanent? They had control of all three branches.

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rmeman@reddit

So why not vote now to get rid of them ? Let everyone know loud and clear who is for / against

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FlatusGiganticus@reddit

They didn't vote to get rid of them. They expired. This is evidence that the ACA has been broken from the start. It is nothing but a giant give-away to the insurance companies. We need real and significant reform if it is going to work going forward. Hiding it with yet another subsidy paid for at the expense of inflation and reduced quality of live, and eventually by our children and grand children isn't a good idea.

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rmeman@reddit

By how much has national debt increased since the fiscal conservatives came to power ?

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FlatusGiganticus@reddit

Way the hell too much. Washington is addicted to spending. People don't understand how the debt if fucking us, so they don't push the pols to fix the damn budget. They just keep kicking the can down the road and handing out candy to their friends using our credit card. Inflation, lower standard of living, fewer jobs, less borrowing power, higher borrowing costs, less international influence, and eventually the party stops because we can't put another round on the national credit card. The bar kicks us out, our car has been towed, we are out of cash for a cab, uber won't pick us up because our credit card has been canceled, and the landlord changed the locks. We are fucked, but we aren't sober enough to realize it just yet. The hangover is coming.

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Seditional@reddit

All of that is true but the answer is to make a new scheme not rip away all healthcare whilst politicians fuck about for the next few years and people die

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FlatusGiganticus@reddit

I have little to no confidence our current crop of congress critters has the ability to accomplish anything of that magnitude. I'm quite bearish on our future to be honest. Best to prepare yourself the best you can and hope for the best, because we are likely fucked by corporate capture and corruption no matter who gets elected.

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5panks@reddit

I'm fine with a new vote. I'm not against it being put to the floor. I'm only pointing out that it is illogical to be upset that there is opposition to extending a credit that was specifically designed to help during COVID when COVID is as over as it will ever be.

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rmeman@reddit

And you work in IT ? There's nothing more permanent than a temporary fix

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5panks@reddit

>There's nothing more permanent than a temporary fix In this case the temporary fixed was designed to be temporary until the situation ended, which it did. I can temporarily throw a server on a much larger instance to handle a period of expected higher usage. Leaving the server on that much more expensive instance after the period of higher usage is over is a waste of money.

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rmeman@reddit

People paying lower premiums is a waste of money ? I'm all for it, but let the right really own it. Cut off all social services, let's see what happens.

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5panks@reddit

>People paying lower premiums is a waste of money ? Strawman argument, you're arguing against a case I'm not making. People faced a time of increased hardship. Additional subsidies were passed to provide some reprieve from the costs associated with the increased hardship. The time of increased hardship has long ended. The subsidies are now ending.

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rmeman@reddit

People still face hardships due to the rampant inflation of the past few years. This was caused by Covid, supply chain logistics issues and also by #45 printing 1.9T to help people out. #46 printed money too for sure, but what we have lived since, with most wages not keeping up with inflation is directly tied to that money printer. And guess what, it's going on even harder now. BBB projects how many more T of debt ?

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5panks@reddit

>BBB projects how many more T of debt ? The BBB is projected to add less than $400B/yr in net new debt and includes over $400B/yr in tax breaks for Americans making under $200,000/yr. It's hardly what is at fault here. You're not saying anything that changes the facts. COVID subsidies which were designed to be short duration from the beginning are ending as expected because COVID is effectively over. If you/they/anyone wanted them to be permanent new subsidies, Democrats had control of all three branches at the time, they could have easily made them forever subsidies, but they chose not too because they're designed for COVID.

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rmeman@reddit

How can it be short term when you print 4T worth of money ? I'm talking about the inflation here. That's what caused and is causing the current hardships

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5panks@reddit

>That's what caused and is causing the current hardships That's not why the additional subsidies were voted in. They were voted in to offset the increased hardship created by COVID, which is now over. If you want to take a stance that we need new subsidies today because of inflation, you're welcome to take that stance, and it's going to take a new vote which it seems likely we're going to get anyway.

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rmeman@reddit

That's just nitpicking. Covid caused people to lose income so they got subsidies (printed money) which caused inflation causing yet more problems. It's not two separate issues, it really is just one.

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Seditional@reddit

Make a new scheme then. Not making a new scheme and just cancelling the old one is horseshit.

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mustang__1@reddit

COBRA changed?

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cplusequals@reddit

Obamacare subsidies are only reverting their income qualification limits to the pre-COVID levels. OP is almost certainly not going to qualify for Obamacare subsidies with or without this change due to his layoff being made this late in the year as his MAGI is going to be presumably fairly high relative to the population these subsidies were intended for. He might qualify for subsidies prior to 2026 if he opted for expensive coverage, but this is not a good idea when you're unemployed. Most likely he's just going to grab a cheaper private plan -- though possibly a market place one -- until he gets a new job. Assuming he doesn't have a spouse with employer based insurance.

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Serialtorrenter@reddit

Given that COBRA allows retroactive signup for up to 60 days and it's currently December, OP may be best off just signing up for 2026 on their state's marketplace without the burden of their 2025 income affecting subsidies.

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virtualadept@reddit

That would be the most expeditious way of going about it (it's what I'm trying to do). And OP will need that 60 days to navigate the ACA because (in California, at least) it's a complete and total clusterfuck.

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virtualadept@reddit

Holy fuck, is it. Just shy of $4kus per month, here.

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magnj@reddit

Better off looking at the state market

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Rambles_Off_Topics@reddit

I think the last I looked, you can enroll in Cobra even after an "incident". So you only need it if you actually have an emergency. That's at least how I read it earlier this year.

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UltraEngine60@reddit

it's only up to 60 days.

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RikiWardOG@reddit

the calm might be because he just got out of a clearly toxic work environment

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JLVIT90@reddit

Agreed. How I felt when I got let go at my last job. Calm and relieved… because leadership was toxic/ivory tower C-suite.. good luck job searching. Apply apply apply 👍

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New_Expression_5724@reddit

I recommend you contact your personal physician and ask him or her if they have an insurance specialist on their staff. American health care insurance sucks so bad that many physicians' offices have a person who does nothing but health insurance (one of the reasons why American health insurance sucks so bad is that it is so complicated that there has to be a person who does nothing but insurance. That person does nothing to improve the quality of healthcare, but their wages and benefits are part of the cost of providing healthcare)l. If that doesn't work, contact an independent insurance agent. Be sure to ask the agent if they have a fiduciary responsibility to you: the correct answer is "yes". Health insurance in the United States is too complicated and too important to get answers from social media such as Reddit.

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Excellent_Tip_2987@reddit

IT should have a union. It would stop so much of this nonsense.

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BourbonWhisperer@reddit

I think that is your brain and your heart telling you that your are better off somewhere else. I know these are horrible times to be without a job. Ignore the news and focus on your strengths and what you want to do next. Don't jump into another bad company because of the natural fear from being unemployed. Don't spam jobs if you don't actually believe in the company or the job (a frequent mistake I've made). Focus on what works for you. In your down time skill in any way you can (free classes, web based training, labs from major companies). Most of all - learn that companies don't have any loyalty to employees. If you are lucky some of the people you've known and worked with in the past will help you land your next role. Work should be what you do to happily live the rest of your life. Good luck.

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davy_crockett_slayer@reddit

You'll be fine. I've been fired before. That's what I tell people to focus on marketable skills, and not the stability of the company or job. Look at the government atm. Plenty of people thought they could work for the Feds and coast until retirement.

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Last-Appointment6577@reddit

Yep, last year before the election I was hired at the local transit authority and only lasted a year before they did this to me. If they want/need you gone, you’re gone

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davy_crockett_slayer@reddit

Exactly. Always focus on your skills. I have coworkers who say "The cloud is silly, you don't need it most of the time. On-prem is completely fine." If we get laid off, they will be hosed while I will be fine as my skillset is tied to SRE/Devops/Cloud.

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reactor4@reddit

Unless you worked for some amazing company it was probably just a "job". You'll get another one and it might be better!

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Last-Appointment6577@reddit

There’s no such thing as an amazing company anymore. Only jobs

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HippyGeek@reddit

Remember: It's $1k an hour consultation SOW, minimum 5 hours, paid in full before engagement, for anything they call you for when they realize they don't have a clue...

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Last-Appointment6577@reddit

Worked for a tire manufacturer and my team did this because we couldn’t find a network engineer that wanted to work on our shit show for what they offered so the company had the old network guy who left the company on retainer for some ungodly amount they’d pay whenever our network went down and we couldn’t figure it out as generalists lol it happens

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FITC_orlando@reddit

The shadow IT was hired to fire you and your boss. That was the whole idea. Nothing personal. I'm sure you'll be back to employed soon, but the relief of "it's not my problem anymore" can be amazing.

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Ryguard_The_One@reddit

I know what you're going through as im going though something similar. You are going to have a wide range of emotions. Just keep moving forward. Apply for Unemployment Insursnce and then start applying to jobs. Make sure to log into your EDD account and start the process. They use ID.me to verify who you are. I was getting an error E0032 when trying to submit my application. I ended up having to call in. I was lucky with only a half hour way to get a hold of someone. In the mean time, look at some certificates. Work on a home lab to keep your skills sharp and moving forward. No matter what, keep moving forward. I like to remember "This too shall pass"

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RG256@reddit

Yeah... you're being shit canned to make room for some higher ups nephew.

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burnte@reddit

You were treated unfairly but legally and it sucks. Sorry to hear it, sir.

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syntaxerror53@reddit

Almost all times it is always ensured to be done legally, however much it is unfair.

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DarkSky-8675@reddit

I was let go in December of 2023 and after I got over my initial indignation, I was fine. My manager had been telegraphing that the business was going to re-align and my position was in jeopardy. I'd already put out feelers. I made two phone calls and then enjoyed my two-month paid vacation. California-based companies have to give you 60 days notice when they cut you loose, but they took me out of the IT systems on day one. I started my new job while I was technically still employed in my old one. Having a network of people in the industry is invaluable. I'm blessed to have made a lot of friends in my 30+ year career. You'll bounce back.

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bemenaker@reddit

60 days notice? Damn. There is zero requirement here.

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original_nick_please@reddit

3 months here, as default everywhere, but it goes both ways. And if you're past 60, and has been employed at your current employee for 10 years, it increases to 6 months, by law, but only if you're fired, not if you quit. US' lack of worker rights is baffling with European eyes. Even if you make more, at least some of you.

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ashimbo@reddit

Conservatives have spent the last 70 years convincing people that the government doing anything good for people is communism, and will result in the downfall of the country.

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syntaxerror53@reddit

Instead the Conservatives have got wealthier and the people have got poorer.

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hutacars@reddit

> US' lack of worker rights is baffling with European eyes. Even if you make more, at least some of you. That's just it, it's all trade offs. Worker protections, high salaries, low unemployment, pick two. Exceptions like Germany or Netherlands are rare.

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MovinOnUp2TheMoon@reddit

The WARN Act applies to “mass layoffs,” and I think it’s only bigger companies. More: [https://edd.ca.gov/en/jobs\_and\_training/Layoff\_Services\_WARN](https://edd.ca.gov/en/jobs_and_training/Layoff_Services_WARN)

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zeptillian@reddit

It's not true. I think there may be requirements about advanced notice for mass layoffs, but otherwise, there are no notice requirements AT ALL. "Both the employer and the employee are free to end the employment relationship at any time, with no penalty being assessed to either. Unless the parties have previously agreed to the contrary, **there is no notice required to be given by either party."** [https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/TerminationOfEmployment.pdf](https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/TerminationOfEmployment.pdf)

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RooRoo916@reddit

60 day notice is only for mass layoffs (WARN notice)

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DarkSky-8675@reddit

That makes sense, I wasn't the only one.

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Mounitis@reddit

Fantasize of being fired is the ultimate point of self depreciation. But it is also a good introduction to the Buddhist concept of "Samsara".

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SeanieMcFly@reddit

Yep it’s quite a calming and freeing experience especially if it was already a high stress position. I remember getting fired right before my 40th birthday and I walked out, called my wife on the way home and said “I just got fired and I’m completely ok with it”. There were a couple ups and downs in the following weeks (the “ha they are screwed without me” or “man, I miss my team”) but the relief from the lack of stress and not dealing with certain assbags made it ok. Yes, I did get six months of severance so I did end up screwing off for a while and catching up on some video games and movies I’ve wanted to watch. Luckily, I had several years of experience to fall back on!

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Party-Emu-6640@reddit

You can sue. My buddy went thru this and got a bunch of money for unfair termination

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armonica17@reddit

Let me guess, are you in your 50s? Welcome to the club if you are.

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romej@reddit

Can you elaborate on the shadow IT part of your comment? I’m dealing with something similar. I’ve been with the company 15 years. It was me and two others running IT. The company started buying other companies and growing fast. Now my boss isn’t interested in developing our department as the business scales. People who came over in the mergers, with far less to do, are creating higher level roles for themselves and pushing us to stay at helpdesk level. I’ve already been handling CISO duties, network engineering, VMware, and frontline support. How did you handle this and what would you do next if you were in my position?

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NewFactor9514@reddit

I'm saying this as a friend, and one with over 25 years in the IT field specifically: If the people who have been brought in via merger are creating higher level roles for themselves (and have been given the authority to do so) then it is very likely your career is ending at that place. You don't absorb new staff and let them carve out roles for themselves (and titles), unless a very clear career plan have been promised: 'Bob, if you join us, to keep you we'll let you define your new role and title, and you'll be working with <NEW IT VP'S NAME> to restart our department. The guys who are here? Don't worry about them, they'll be gone in six months. Yeah. Yeah. Their manager doesn't know yet. We're telling him after your announcement. Don't worry about it. Yeah. What do you say?' I literally have only seen people self-defining roles and titles in the weeks before a restructuring. If you were going to be part of the new team, you'd know it before the other new people came on. Sorry. Hope I'm wrong. I have been through this multiple times on the acquisition and the acquiring firm side. In your shoes, I would: 1. Get the six and one year department plan from my manager, via email, tomorrow. 2. If he cannot-- or will not-- provide one, assume that he is being fired, and you are part of that deal. Again, they would have already approached you if you were going to be on the 'new team.' 3. Until the ball drops begin strong, active job hunting. Meet every recruiter you can. From the time you get home, until you go to sleep, your new night job is finding your next gig. 4. Aggressively cut all costs to the bone. If you have bought Christmas gifts, return them. Cancel any holiday travel plans. That level of aggressive. 5. Pre-emptively, contact the EDD and find out everything you will need for your state's unemployment. Prepare it now. I was once fired, and I needed a brand new drivers license to apply for unemployment. So I had a problem on top of a problem at that time. 6. If you have prescriptions and medical needs, contact your prescriber and see if they will switch you to 90-day supplies. Fill them immediately. Sorry for the novel. This brought up memories from the worst firing of my career, which caught me totally unprepared. Your situation has some uncanny similarities with that one. I hope I am totally wrong. Be prepared.

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freericky@reddit

🗣️ CALL A LAWYER 🗣️ They are firing you for fault so they can avoid paying unemployment. Cannot stress this enough

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2cats2hats@reddit

Common for first consultation to be free of charge too. OP probably has nothing to lose.

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XenSid@reddit

I was thinking this too. There is too much "in not really that bothered/ seems like a lot of effort" which just hurts everyone. Organisations shouldn't be able to fire anyone for fictional reasons like this simply because they want to. I had a boss years ago who didn't like me, tried all this sort of thing over three years. Every single time none of it stuck, basically trying to fire me over misunderstandings or miscommunication "x person said you were going to do this" "oh yes, I was but then Y happened and X was not needed any longer/had lower priority/was before I spoke to Z who informed me that X was..." etc. Basically just trying to find fault in every situation, which is basically when someone walks on and complains their computer wasn't working, they would then try and make that a case for negligence, even in situations where someone was meant to come into the office days ago but had only just arrived while I was out of the office so they complained like it was my fault they were two days late. I eventually joined a union and magically all of these things stopped happening. If people don't hold organisations or people like this accountable, it just keeps happening and the next person it happens to might not be fine with it, they might not be able to support themselves, they might not be able to quickly find a new job etc

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cousinralph@reddit

Good advice, if you're in the US they can absolutely use that to avoid paying out.

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TONKAHANAH@reddit

> Every reasoning they provided I was able to counter Probably cuz you and I both know you probably did nothing wrong and they got rid of you and your boss to flush out the old and bring on the new (cheaper) team. Shit happens.

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imgettingnerdchills@reddit

Going through a company merger right now and although I feel secure there is a less than zero chance that our entire team gets booted and offshored to folks in India. Such is life. I’m just glad that although my entire life will be completely uprooted and I will be tossed into the hellish bowels of the current economy at least I can sleep well knowing it will be for a valid reason like increasing shareholder value a fraction of a percent.

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kremlingrasso@reddit

Yeah literally no one ever tried to offshore IT to India, I'm sure it'll be fine.

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NDaveT@reddit

One of my golfing buddies says his company saved hundreds of thousands of dollars offshoring to India. How you can you argue with a recommendation like that?

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a-r-c@reddit

nothing costs more than saving money

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Rawme9@reddit

The quality of service and administration will easily cost millions if left in place and degrade the health and morale of the company employees.

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NDaveT@reddit

Sounds like a problem for the next CEO!

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Rawme9@reddit

I think you're on track to be a Board Member with that attitude!

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axonxorz@reddit

Because the savings are today, but the cost is tomorrow+[unknowable future interval, weeks, months or years]. The managers and executives making these decisions are getting their performance bonuses and bouncing when they start to see the results. If you're focused on profit, offshoring is the way to go. If you're focused on long-term health of the firm, offshoring is a sure way to bleed your company dry before its carcass is parted out to megacorps.

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FlatusGiganticus@reddit

The first company I worked that outsourced to India went bankrupt less than a year after offshoring their development. The combination of local mismanagement and non-stop missed development milestones killed them. The next company I worked for that outsourced dev to an Indian company lost 30m+ and 7 years before giving up and having to rebuild a local team. It almost killed them. I'm watching yet another employer go through the same thing right now. That cheap over-seas labor and impossible promises is just too enticing for some to resist.

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imgettingnerdchills@reddit

Don’t worry in the massive FAQ email they sent out regarding the merger where they explained absolutely nothing at all about what was going on than repeating vague corporate HR speak phrases they mentioned that any potential realignment regarding teams will be done ‘directly, respectfully, and with consideration for those impacted’ so I’m sure they’ll give me a voucher for a 20 dollar resume service when they show me the door.

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NDaveT@reddit

> I’m sure they’ll give me a voucher for a 20 dollar resume service when they show me the door. Make sure you use it right away. When I was laid off from large insurance company I made the mistake of waiting a couple months to try to avail myself of the job-hunting services that were part of my severance package. When I called they had no idea who I was and couldn't confirm I qualified for it.

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underpaid--sysadmin@reddit

A few years ago a company I was hired at was bought out by a certain 3 letter giant, the layoffs didn't happen immediately but at about 2 years in after the merger myself and 90% of our US team was laid off. The manager informing me I was being laid off was also being laid off so at least we could have a bit of a laugh about that. Anyways get your resume in top shape!

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redsedit@reddit

\>our entire team gets booted and offshored to folks in India...increasing shareholder value a fraction of a percent. I would argue the above. Sure, it might help some exec hit quarterly numbers and get a bonus, but long term, in my experience, it just results in poorer service at a higher price, degrading shareholder value.

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kia75@reddit

> but long term, in my experience, it just results in poorer service at a higher price, degrading shareholder value. Yes, but they'll have sold their shares already by the time that happens and be in a new environment!

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imgettingnerdchills@reddit

More than likely they will use it as an excuse to fire more people for failing to deliver and poor performance and eventually just sink the entire company but not before they’ve run it on a skeleton crew while the ship is sinking just long enough to get a positive return on their investment.

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ElPlatanaso2@reddit

The H1B horde

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mustang__1@reddit

Eh, I just fired a (non IT) technician last week. Dude was a slob, did multiple unsafe things in the plant, left every tool he ever touched out on the workbench or wherever he last worked in the building... Be mindful that we're all a main character in our story and maybe there's lessons to be learned all around. He had "reasons" for everything he did, but they were not good reasons. I had every expectation of paying more for his replacement - which I did.

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reserved_seating@reddit

Ding ding ding. This is what happened to me and my employees.

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unccvince@reddit

I'm French and I've met today Bradley from Spingfield, AK in Vincennes near Paris. Bradley has been living and working in France for 40 years. In the US, people are quick to hire and they are quick to fire, in France, we're slow to hire and we are slow to fire, and Brad agreed with that observation. Two systems, both work.

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fun_crush@reddit

Been there... I worked for a very slimeball company years ago. I watched them do this exact same thing to many very good sys engineers only to bring in some low level sys admin. Then the day came.... My manager pulled me in and said we have two new hires starting Monday and I want you to train them on what you do. To me that was the kiss of death. I went back to my desk, scrubbed all my documentation, all my scripts, literally everything and had a resignation letter sent that Friday. My manager called me screaming and yelling at me about how I fucked him over.... and I reminded him about how this company fucked over so many good engineers in the same way.

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agoia@reddit

You can very much get fucked by trying to delete everything you did at lots of companies. Not sure what your contract said, but generally thee work you produce during your tenure belongs to the company, not to you.

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fun_crush@reddit

"It was an accident..."

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wrincewind@reddit

"documentation? No, i just remembered it all. Scripts? What's a script? i did everything by hand."

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Rawme9@reddit

"I was working on this script to clean up the temp drives and must have typoed '\\\\server\\fileshare\\my scripts and documentation' on accident, sorry boss"

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WaltonGogginsTeeth@reddit

based

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flecom@reddit

how dare you fuck him over while he's busy fucking you over! you monster!

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rra-netrix@reddit

I was on the other side of this once. I was hired on and the existing sysadmin trained me. After a few weeks I get pulled into a meeting and they tell me they want me to replace the current IT team, who at the time was the manager and the sysadmin. Two days later I am disabling their accounts as they are fired. The reason this happened became very clear later as I began cleaning things up, it was a mess. Everything was horribly out of date, no asset management, no refresh cycle, no proper budgets. I had fun fixing everything though. Basically rebuilt the IT infrastructure from the ground up.

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F7xWr@reddit

Thats why you train them wrong.

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The_Real_Boba_Fett@reddit

As a joke

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F7xWr@reddit

I cant tell you how glad i am you got the reference. "if you got and ass ill kick it"!

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Ecstatic_Score6973@reddit

you and your boss were fired by a "shadow IT" person (whatever that means), that you helped train? this person become the new CEO or something? i dont understand

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Tech_Mix_Guru111@reddit

Typical thing that’s happening now where women across companies and orgs are pushing men out after befriending them and working alongside them. They’re all crabs in a bucket racing to the top to keep DEI and inclusion going… never really focusing on the fact none of that worked and a large majority of layoff are for people who did not and could not prove impact or value to an org so they resorted to politics and manipulationships.

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drcygnus@reddit

move to datacenter work. AI has created a black hole and not enough techs to fill it.

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hankhillnsfw@reddit

Every day I read these posts I get closer and closer to just working two jobs at once and giving 10% effort at each. Fuck this late stage capitalism bull shit.

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cereal_heat@reddit

Hey guys, he said late stage capitalism! Get in here!

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hankhillnsfw@reddit

What would you call it lol

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flecom@reddit

times are tough.... work 4 jobs and give 2.5% in each

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demonseed-elite@reddit

If you feel relieved, then it was a terrible position. I'm old. I've been through my share of jobs. Some I was genuinely hurt at getting let go, but one in particular... I interviewed with this company at one point and was damned near insulted at the interview. A couple months later, a temp agency contacted me about this same company. I refused but they said it was for only a one month assignment. I reluctantly agreed. It lasted nine months. The company was a meat-grinder of talent. Every Wednesday, they had a waiting room full of people filling out application forms. Note, this was for white-collar positions. Engineers, tool designers, machine programmers... not your typical floor labor. I picked up over 150 lbs working there. It was so bad, I'd slip out at like 10am and go down the road, grab some McDonalds, visit Best Buy, get some DVDs, etc just as a break. One day, they moved me from my cubical to a desk like sitting at the end of an aisle. They gave me more work for the week to process. At noon, I was pulled into and office and told my services were no longer needed. They watched me like a hawk as I packed my things like I was going to steal a stapler. I was standing in the parking lot, holding my box of desk junk, and I felt like a weight was lifted off my shoulders. I felt liberated.

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Obvious_Mode_5382@reddit

The decision was made when the shadow IT was hired, you were just the last to know

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che-che-chester@reddit

So incredibly lame when they claim performance and in reality, you were outsourced. If it was performance, where are the written warnings, the bad appraisals, a formal PIP, etc.? At least call it what it is - a layoff.

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Klarkasaurus@reddit

OP never said they didn't have warnings before though. Pretty sure its classed as unfair dismissal unless you have already been given written warnings before. In UK you get our on stages. After stage 3 (3 warnings) then they can let you go at any time.

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dlongwing@reddit

You know they're incorrect, so it's easy to not feel personally attacked. Sobbing happens when you feel like you could've fixed it, but you can't fix stupid.

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conner-rogers@reddit (OP)

Thank you all for the kind words! I really do appreciate all of them. I saw a few comments so I wanted to clarify, the “Shadow IT” person was originally hired under the guise of a different department, but with the goal of replacing the acting IT Director. And then they slowly became more encroached within the department until they thought they had a handle on all of the systems in place.

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redthrull@reddit

"When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king; the palace becomes a circus" You know you did nothing wrong so it doesn't affect you that much. Frankly, I'd be so happy getting out of that company. It's about to get much, much worse in there. I'd say be sure to secure clearance from them. Even better if you can document/get a transcript of their reasons and your rebuttals. For future use/defense, just in case.

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phoenix823@reddit

I was laid off from a job back in April and it was probably the best thing that could have happened to me. The culture was becoming more and more toxic, and for financial reasons more and more layoffs were scheduled after I left. I felt so much better not having that uncertainty in my life.

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hutacars@reddit

Did you find a better position after?

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phoenix823@reddit

It took 4 months but I had savings and yes, I did. It's 1000% more pleasant to be looking ahead rather than worrying when the next shoe will drop.

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N41LZ@reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/ResumeCoverLetterTips/s/kgqEpuY5Hb

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DJK695@reddit

At my last place we didn’t have a direct manager for two years, then we had two managers above the three of us working tickets and then they fired 2/3 of us. It happens quickly and they didn’t even give me a reason for being let go. It sucks and it’s been over 4 months since I’ve worked at this point - applied to 320 jobs and have heard back from 3.

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doggos_are_magical@reddit

I started a new job in October after getting laid off in april. Only to get let go yesterday. It’s rough I’ve been going through the emotions. I totally feel your pain and I hope you find something better :)

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Error-InvalidName@reddit

Unless you super loved your job/company you'll feel a really nice sense of being free after a week or less. It sounds nuts but they let me know and then gave me a month to the date that be my last day and that made me more sad then being let go lol

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Routine-Ability4883@reddit

It's okay, buddy. Actually, you might want to think about whether you've become the person you wanted to be when you were a child.

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Apprehensive-Pin518@reddit

the fact you could counter all of their arguments is probably why you're so calm. It's easier to accept when you know you've done nothing wrong and the problem is with them.

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SASardonic@reddit

this is why you should always be packing a pink slip in your desk so you can fire them before they fire you

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Fabl0s@reddit

Feeling Calm about it? That just sounds like you got rid of a shit employer there.

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Mythulhu@reddit

You're in shock

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JustSomeGayTitan@reddit

What's funny is most states have at will employment and they don't need to provide a reason for firing you. But they did, and if you can honestly offer a valid counter to every reason they provided you can very likely win a wrongful termination suit. Lawyer up.

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Skyboard13@reddit

Don’t sign ANYTHING and call an employment lawyer asap.

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SlickBackSamurai@reddit

Wdym you trained a shadow IT person?

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Yupsec@reddit

Also what I'm wondering. "Shadow IT" was trained by a SysAd? To do what? If "shadow IT" is trained and empowered by IT is still "shadow IT"?

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postconsumerwat@reddit

i find a lot of people like a lot more drama from my performance than I am willing to give. Bologna isn't effortless, it come from a can.

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SpiceIslander2001@reddit

Oof, basically you trained the person that then turned around and fired your boss and then you? That really sucks, though in hindsight that firing of your boss probably was a pretty good sign that your job was probably going to be next. Maybe time to engage the "delete-one-random-file-every-month-from-the-server.ps1" scheduled task ? No, seriously, don't do that. Exit professionally and leave a good impression - you never know how that might help your future job prospects. Best of luck in your job hunting.

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sir_mrej@reddit

Sounds like you knew it was coming, you had good logical arguments why their reasoning was incorrect, and you know you did nothing wrong. So that all makes sense for why you are calm. Cuz the reasons are bullshit and you did nothing wrong.

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DespondentEyes@reddit

Welcome to the club. I got the news two months ago. 10 years, and nothing to show for it. At this point I'm pretty burnt out on IT in general, but I have little experience in other fields, so I'll probably end back up and some helpdesk or something. If I'm lucky, that is.

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WaltonGogginsTeeth@reddit

I'd so love to change careers too. I just don't know what I'd do.

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agoia@reddit

Ever thought about starting a goat farm?

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bemenaker@reddit

There is no reason to try countering. At that point, the business decision was made for whatever reason. Just leave with you head held high, and move on.

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Jaereth@reddit

Well i'd still counter so they can't say they fired you for performance and fuck you out of your unemployment. If dude didn't do anything wrong i'd go out insisting I didn't do anything wrong in case lawyers get involved.

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atw527@reddit

Agreed. Especially if there was no probationary review or "improvement plan" established before this day to indicate under-performance. At most I might express my disappointment in going from my last favorable yearly review to "you're fired" with no chance to improve/respond. Even that would probably fall on deaf ears though.

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prog-no-sys@reddit

The simple fact about those "reasonings they provided" is they're not real. It's a company trying to be nice and giving you a "reason" for why they wanna fire you. 9/10 times, it's not even valid, but a lot of companies don't even give a reason, they just give you severance and move onto the next. Happened to me at my last job.

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NDaveT@reddit

> is it normal to feel so calm about it? Maybe some part of you is relieved.

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linuxgeekmco@reddit

The calm can also be shock. The hope is it is relief because then the calm will mostly stay.

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linuxgeekmco@reddit

My suggestion after going through a 'we have to improve our bottom line for a merger' layoff version in '24 - Start updating your CV immediately. If you are like many in a position for a while, you haven't updated it in a while. Do it while you remember as much of what you did as you can. Go through your yearly evaluations as references. - Separate from the CV start a list of every model of hardware you have worked with, every Operating System you have installed or maintained, and every piece of software you have installed and maintained along with how many years you have used them and when you last used them. - Look for one or more reputable job recruiters to consider engaging for finding your next gig I did the job searching myself for 3 months basically doing 8 hours a day 7 days a week searching, CV submitting and any additional way sites wanted the info on my CV so their software could ingest it easily. Went through the learning curve on how modern day Applicant Tracking Systems (ATS) with various flavors of LLMs do the first pass on every CV submitted and the regular immediate you-do-not-qualify auto-responses from the ATSs because I didn't have sufficient buzzwords in the CV that matched the buzzwords assigned to the job posting. Also had the learning curve for how many ghost jobs are out there that you will never hear anything back from. The only reason my search was only 3 months compared to a lot of stories I've been seeing, was I got found by a recruiter who had a job he was having a difficulty filling and my CV ticked more of the position's needs than most CVs he had found. Then my two interviews went well. If/when, because reality is it will likely be when in the US work environment, I have to do the job search again, the first thing I will do after my CV is up-to-date is engage at least one job recruiter to do the bulk of the search and application & CV submissions for me.

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DivineDart@reddit

I was let go about a month before Christmas a few years ago. It was shocking and upsetting at the time, but it ultimately turned out to be a nice vacation that I was able to take before I got back on my feet and found another job.

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ihaxr@reddit

OP if you're over 40 file a complaint with the EEOC and say they fired you for discrimination based on your age. The bar for age discrimination is extremely low, citing poor performance without backing evidence (or exemplary performance reviews) is a pretty good indication they want to hire someone younger and cheaper (illegal).

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badaz06@reddit

Sorry. Shitty feeling, been there, a bit different, but..politics. The best advice I can give is that you aren't alone, or the first person this has happened to, or the last person it will happen to. Take a few days to mentally detach, deal with the emotions, and catch your breath. I've had similar things happen twice (RIFs) and each time I landed a better job. After that, start working on the resume, reach out to any contacts you have even if it's just to put the word out that you're looking. Figure out your financial situation, file for unemployment as indicated by others, and start pounding the market. I've told people more than once, hit the head hunters. I've used them a ton in the past to just get a foot in the door somewhere, and then kicked ass when I was there so people took notice. Some of the jobs you can work as a 1099, which means you can expense almost everything. Stay positive!!

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Jazzlike-Vacation230@reddit

Who' gonna say it?

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BK_Rich@reddit

If you feel so calm and a sense of relief, I think it’s probably best for you, hope you got severance, if they ever contact you to ask questions after you’re gone, your rate is double or triple what you used to make per hour if you feel like helping them. At the end of the day it’s a “business decision” so always do the same for you as well, you’re in the business of you, you do what makes the most sense, remember no company name will be on your tombstone and no one is going to care how hard you worked, your friends and family will remember the days you were around and weren’t.

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SonicPimp9000@reddit

So sorry to hear this. Sounds like an organization that practices some shady HR bullshit. You wouldn't want to work for a company that operates like this. The sobbing comes later if you don't find a new job and bills need to be paid. Just be proactive and make sure you're constantly brushing up skills and applying. Good luck out there!.

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pdp10@reddit

> My boss was terminated 2 weeks ago by a "Shadow IT" person that I helped train and then she turned around and terminated me. This record, plus no PIP, means something's rotten in the state of Denmark. Maintain contact with discrete friends still at the organization, in order to find out who the influential person wanted to replace both of you with.

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nofate301@reddit

It's called shock. It'll wear off. Take 24 hours, realize you are still the guy who got the job in the first place. And GET on the roll.

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Og-Morrow@reddit

Sounds like this door was meant to close some time ago. Maybe you already feel at peace. Good luck. I Fully believe in Karma.

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Grrl_geek@reddit

Also, good luck with the job search. It sucks BALLZ out there but you're in CA so maybe more opportunity? Also more competition.

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DisastrousAd2335@reddit

I could retire since I had a bitcoin for everything I was let go so they could 'bring in off-shore resources, I'd be retired. Good luck hunting!

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Zenie@reddit

When I got laid off a couple years back it wasn't a surprise.i was there almost a decade and started at the bottom and worked up to director. I had spent a couple months beforehand laying off most of my team so I knew it was inevitable. While I was mostly calm and collected. In the following weeks I became quite resentful and would spiral talking smack about the company any chance I got. It wasn't really healthy, so don't let yourself fall into that trap. In retrospect, it was a blessing in disguise because I landed a much better job and a way better work/life balance.

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mikeyflyguy@reddit

I’ve only had one job i got let go at during rif that i was a mess. Dotcom bubble and wife had just had a miscarriage two weeks before and we lived out of state with no family close by. It sucked. Couple other times it was relief and has always turned out better long term.

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handlebartender@reddit

I can only guess as to your calmness. When it happened to me back in the 1990s, I was not optimistic about how things were going with my team, my company. I still remember being called down to HR, and had that unmistakably ominous feeling when I saw my manager there as well, his suit as proper as can be, holding his binder. I could tell from his body language that he was quite uncomfortable as well. The HR rep sat there as my manager basically laid it out there. He seemed to struggle to say the words. I felt like I was watching a train moving towards me, in slow motion. I didn't want it to happen, I willed it not to happen, but it still happened. And as soon as he finished saying the words, I felt like a huge weight had been lifted off me. HR blablabla here are some docs yadda yadda, support resources etc etc 30 days or some such. Or was it 90 days. I don't remember. By that point, I'd sorta tuned out. I only knew I had a huge task ahead of me. A new full time job. Anyway, that company no longer exists.

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Norphus1@reddit

I think the fact that you’re feeling relief rather than anger, fear or grief says a lot. Sounds like you’re better off out of there.

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denmicent@reddit

Because it was most likely a shit company if they turned around and fired you. You didn’t do anything wrong, and you’re better than that place. I don’t know you, but I know that. You’ll bounce back and do great things, at a better place.

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00001000U@reddit

Let the place burn

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OhScrapIT@reddit

A little over a year ago I was laid off from a place which had experienced a lot of company-wide drama for a couple of years, with almost no one I knew remaining after the wave of layoffs that I was caught up in. Likewise, I actually felt relief (though my wife didn't!). It helped that I had severance that carried me to my next position, but there can definitely be a feeling of shedding stress and tension at such a moment.

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FlailingHose@reddit

Sorry that this happened so close to Christmas. Take what you’ve learned from this place into the next, and keep moving forward. You’ve got this.

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