'84 not being dead middle, but is considered peak in the sense it's when the 80's went full 80's and no longer leaning on the 70's culturally. It was full send it's own era now.
I'm an early 84 married to a late 83... it irks me how many people insist my wife and I are different generations despite living the exact same life (minus the obvious boy/girl differences).
Snuffy was revealed to the adults on the show Nov 18 1985, I know this because it was posted everywhere a couple weeks ago for the 40th anniversary of the reveal
As a fellow 84, I'll erase any memory of seeing, touching, fiddling and using analog devices from my childhood memory to conform with this set date and only solely remember the digital ones.
The analog childhood and digital adulthood is why we have a healthy relationship with tech. Unlike Boomers and older Gen X, we don't get startled with new tech. We've watched the internet & tech evolve in real time. We went from GeoCities to Instagram. We know AI is just "fancy Clippy". That's why we don't get startled with new tech.
Our analog childhood prevents us from dreaming in digital sheep. Doing long division by hand made us understand what the computer is doing. Tech is only good as your input
Nailed it. Having any type of computer to compliment my personally driven experience feels super normal to me. It feels like when we did mathmatics long hand then were told "nevermind here's a TI-8x, figure it out"
Same is true of us old Millennials as well. I owned cassettes before CDs. I first had dial up Internet the Summer before my Freshman year of Highschool, and was born in 1986. Still remember people talking of the Internet as a fad.
There isn’t a group of people in the world who wouldn’t like to subdivide to “not all Millenials, just the ones who were too young to know 9/11!” Or “not all GenZ, just the ones who grew up with Frozen!” The Boomer range is 46-64, you think that some of those people wouldn’t like to narrow it down? Because literally every group of people would like to identify with a smaller group that they feel a closer kinship with.
History isn’t going to remember Xennials, it’s going to remember GenX and Millenials. But it’s a nice thing for Xennials themselves to identify with.
I originally heard "The Oregon Trail Generation". If the members of your wagon train dying of dysentery was part of your formative years, this is the place.
I was kinda with you until “would of” and then I immediately stopped reading because that’s a red line for me. If you can’t get that correct then I doubt the legitimacy and veracity of everything else you’ve said and I discount all of it as unintelligent.
I had to force correct my phone 3 times in order to make “would of” stand, it isn’t a simple autocorrect accident, it’s bad grammar. My phone kept fixing it when I ended the sentence, even after I forced it to be wrong as a quote.
Downvote or judge or name call me if you want, but I said what I said
Everyone born in the 80s had an analogue childhood and either a digital 20s or teenage years.
I'm not so sure. Super anecdotal, but my wife was born in 87. Her experiences with analogue things was MUCH different than mine, especially to the level that she still remembers now. Yeah, she knows she had cassettes, but all of her memories are of CDs, for example. Most of her classrooms had computer access her whole time in school. That's a shift of just a few years and things are very different for her from what we experienced in the early 90s to how they had changed even by the late 90s.
Upper middle class Americans aside, I'd say that for most people the range I gave is pretty accurate in regards to computers and Internet etc
Being born in 87 and never knowing a school without computers is pretty wild tbh. Schools didn't start getting grants for computer rooms untill around 97. So I'm guessing a fancy private education is at play there.
Admittedly when I think of digital age I think specifically of the Internet age so we're probally thinking of differnt periods aswell as you're obviously using a wider definition.
Having said that cassettes are an awkward one because they died a slow death so it's hard to put an exact date on their decline. Cars still came with a cassette deck long after CD sales outstripped cassette sales so they stuck around as the prefered choice for home recordings for a fair while after. Also anti skip discmans were relatively expensive so working class people held onto Walkmans for longer too as they were just more pratical for when you were on the go.
Or you can be like me and not transition at all. Digital stuff is just so confusing to me. I hated my smartphone and now only use a flip phone. I don’t use computers or apps (except on Roku). It’s all so confusing to me. I do stream my movies on Fandango these days but that’s about as digital as I get.
Yes. My mom is a single mom who can’t even figure out how to change the input on her tv to put in a DVD so she just watches the same movies all day on Hallmark because she doesn’t want to bother anyone to show her again. She does have a smartphone but uses it like a dumbphone. She would have a flip if she realized she still could.
On why you would want to be like me though, I don’t find it limits me at all not knowing tech. My flip phone works just fine for calls and texts. I spend my lunch break talking to my friend instead of staring at a device for an entire hour like the rest of the break room. I feel much less tied to a device. I have no social media and I feel like I’m much less stressed without it.
That’s all technology does for me is add stress. I do love my Roku box and streaming movies on Fandango but besides that, I would rather get some work done around my house, take a walk, play with my cats etc.
Making this exclusive to a “micro” mid generation is so absurd.
There are people born in the early 70’s and late 80’s who would have similar experiences. And anyone alive through the 70’s and 80’s to now has had to transition into a digital world.
I’m saying this as a gen z person,Compact disc and laser disc came out in the 80s, digital cameras came out in the 80s and computers with gui came out in the 80s, your generation were born into it
This is pedantic I know, but Laserdisc came out in 1978 and is actually totally analog despite being on a shiny disc that looks like a big CD. They shoehorned in digital audio in the late 80's, but the video was always analog. It's actually a really weird and interesting tech.
Introduction isn't the same as widespread adoption. My family got a computer with a CD-ROM drive in about 1990 or so and that technology was basically unknown to the general public.
We are the only generation more ignored than Gen X. Nobody wants to recognize us. Nobody argues that Generation Jones, Zillennials, or Zalphas aren't a real thing. Only Xennials. I have no idea what's going on with this.
1981 is the penultimate xennial year. We graduated in 1999 in an analog world and all the kids a few years younger are part of our generation too. And our freshman year of college Napster came into existence, we lived in the dorms with T1 connections, and we evolved. And the kids a few years older when we were freshman again are also part of our generation.
That’s very American though - I didn’t even know Oregon trail existed until a few years ago, and same for Goonies. Star Wars was far more of a global phenomenon.
My rule of thumb is 1977 to 1985 but borders are always fuzzy, depending on the age of your siblings and whether you primarily hung out with older people or younger people.
I'll go with the traditional definition of millennial: it's coming of age at the turn of the millennium (which means you were a young adult, not a kid or early teen). It means the internet was not a thing in your childhood, but a big thing in your early adulthood. It may have shaped your relationships. Unlike older adults, which used the internet primarily for working.
I think reason in the uk we say 85 is the end year as its when we all went decimal and banned corporal punishment in schools. So that was a huge change in generations for us.
CaptZombieHero@reddit
I forgot that after 83 it was immediately no longer analog. I never experienced anything analog being born in 84
jimibimi@reddit
And anyone born before 77 unfortunately didn't live long enough to see a digital world
onepostandbye@reddit
Did… did I die?
taney71@reddit
You are Casper
KW5625@reddit
Yes, onepost. Say bye.
LastCallKillIt@reddit
1984 IS PEAK BIRTH YEAR!
Top-Elephant-2874@reddit
So…you were a newborn doing peak 80’s stuff during peak year? 🤣 I tease, I tease…I was 4 and rocking a bowl cut and corduroys myself.
_TheWolfOfWalmart_@reddit
You are correct.
TragicDog@reddit
It’s 1 year off from the middle of the decade so yeah it would be “pretty” close to peak.
LastCallKillIt@reddit
'84 not being dead middle, but is considered peak in the sense it's when the 80's went full 80's and no longer leaning on the 70's culturally. It was full send it's own era now.
TheEndoftheBottle@reddit
I was born in 84 in Ireland. Might as well have been 1980
UpAndAdam7414@reddit
Let’s make our own micro-generation.
With blackjack.
And hookers.
SmallRocks@reddit
I love how the end year always changes. I’m 84 and I’m a xennial for one second but not the next 😂
KW5625@reddit
I'm an early 84 married to a late 83... it irks me how many people insist my wife and I are different generations despite living the exact same life (minus the obvious boy/girl differences).
sarazorz27@reddit
84 here... What are you talking about there was tons of analog stuff...
CaptZombieHero@reddit
That’s the joke
unchangedman@reddit
It also has to do with 2000/2001
CaptZombieHero@reddit
And yet born in 1984, I still experienced those
unchangedman@reddit
Became an adult (18) prior to y2k or 911
_TheWolfOfWalmart_@reddit
I'm also '84 and I was 17 when 9/11 happened. Does that make my experience different than if I were 18? I was also fully cognizant of y2k at 16.
imtooldforthishison@reddit
Hey there young one, the adults could already see Snuffleupagus when you were born.
Roland-Of-Eld-19@reddit
Snuffy was revealed to the adults on the show Nov 18 1985, I know this because it was posted everywhere a couple weeks ago for the 40th anniversary of the reveal
xRVAx@reddit
So can we call Xennials "the invisible Snuffy generation"
Roland-Of-Eld-19@reddit
🤣
RandomPenquin1337@reddit
Im almost 1990 and I still experienced this and married a xennial
traxxes@reddit
As a fellow 84, I'll erase any memory of seeing, touching, fiddling and using analog devices from my childhood memory to conform with this set date and only solely remember the digital ones.
Boring_Pace5158@reddit
The analog childhood and digital adulthood is why we have a healthy relationship with tech. Unlike Boomers and older Gen X, we don't get startled with new tech. We've watched the internet & tech evolve in real time. We went from GeoCities to Instagram. We know AI is just "fancy Clippy". That's why we don't get startled with new tech.
Our analog childhood prevents us from dreaming in digital sheep. Doing long division by hand made us understand what the computer is doing. Tech is only good as your input
wildfire98@reddit
Nailed it. Having any type of computer to compliment my personally driven experience feels super normal to me. It feels like when we did mathmatics long hand then were told "nevermind here's a TI-8x, figure it out"
4020_Driver@reddit
Hell yes.
Kudos for the Clippy reference!!
FoppyRETURNS@reddit
This comment should be copied and pasted many times in the future. Well put.
kellyk311@reddit
Facts.
DarkenL1ght@reddit
Same is true of us old Millennials as well. I owned cassettes before CDs. I first had dial up Internet the Summer before my Freshman year of Highschool, and was born in 1986. Still remember people talking of the Internet as a fad.
onepostandbye@reddit
I mean, the whole idea is kind of an indulgence
There isn’t a group of people in the world who wouldn’t like to subdivide to “not all Millenials, just the ones who were too young to know 9/11!” Or “not all GenZ, just the ones who grew up with Frozen!” The Boomer range is 46-64, you think that some of those people wouldn’t like to narrow it down? Because literally every group of people would like to identify with a smaller group that they feel a closer kinship with.
History isn’t going to remember Xennials, it’s going to remember GenX and Millenials. But it’s a nice thing for Xennials themselves to identify with.
KW5625@reddit
It has been narrowed down bit. Generation Jones, 1954-64... our parents.
The average age to have a first kid in the mid 20th century was roughly 22
1946-54 had kids mostly from 1968-76
The average age to have a first kid in the later 20th century was roughly 24
1954-64 had kids mostly from 1978-1988
hypnofedX@reddit
1983? 🙍🏻♀️
Themoosemingled@reddit
Represent. If heard it as 78-83 originally.
hypnofedX@reddit
I originally heard "The Oregon Trail Generation". If the members of your wagon train dying of dysentery was part of your formative years, this is the place.
Themoosemingled@reddit
In the computer lab in the basement. Also turtle.
TopherYork21@reddit
Us 85s are the year no one wants to claim I swear. We out here just survivin like always
FoppyRETURNS@reddit
We're just millennials. The trick is not to care.
_TheWolfOfWalmart_@reddit
Listen kid, I was born in 1984 and we are completely different okay?
AdevilSboyU@reddit
I feel attacked.
FoppyRETURNS@reddit
Gatekeeping is back!!!
Clockwork-Armadillo@reddit
The experiencing both digital and analogue worlds cliche is a terrible definition.
Everyone born in the 80s had an analogue childhood and either a digital 20s or teenage years.
And most people born in the 90s would of experienced a mix of both during the transitional period that was the noughties.
DarkScorpion48@reddit
Yeah, really shitty analogy. This can easily apply to someone born in the mid 70s
onepostandbye@reddit
I was born in the mid 70s and I’m technically not an Xennial but literally every definition used to describe the group includes me
VashMM@reddit
I was born in the 80s a few years after the cutoff and all of the descriptors for what a Xennial fit me for more than Millennial.
Having 2 older sisters that are firmly Xennial doesn't help.
BrainFartTheFirst@reddit
I was born in 84 so one year after the cutoff that's commonly used. My sister's solidly Gen X. She was 14 when I was born.
VashMM@reddit
My sister's are 81 and 83
KntTwist@reddit
Definitely. '75
psyclopsus@reddit
I was kinda with you until “would of” and then I immediately stopped reading because that’s a red line for me. If you can’t get that correct then I doubt the legitimacy and veracity of everything else you’ve said and I discount all of it as unintelligent.
I had to force correct my phone 3 times in order to make “would of” stand, it isn’t a simple autocorrect accident, it’s bad grammar. My phone kept fixing it when I ended the sentence, even after I forced it to be wrong as a quote.
Downvote or judge or name call me if you want, but I said what I said
IndyDude11@reddit
I'm not so sure. Super anecdotal, but my wife was born in 87. Her experiences with analogue things was MUCH different than mine, especially to the level that she still remembers now. Yeah, she knows she had cassettes, but all of her memories are of CDs, for example. Most of her classrooms had computer access her whole time in school. That's a shift of just a few years and things are very different for her from what we experienced in the early 90s to how they had changed even by the late 90s.
Clockwork-Armadillo@reddit
Upper middle class Americans aside, I'd say that for most people the range I gave is pretty accurate in regards to computers and Internet etc
Being born in 87 and never knowing a school without computers is pretty wild tbh. Schools didn't start getting grants for computer rooms untill around 97. So I'm guessing a fancy private education is at play there.
Admittedly when I think of digital age I think specifically of the Internet age so we're probally thinking of differnt periods aswell as you're obviously using a wider definition.
Having said that cassettes are an awkward one because they died a slow death so it's hard to put an exact date on their decline. Cars still came with a cassette deck long after CD sales outstripped cassette sales so they stuck around as the prefered choice for home recordings for a fair while after. Also anti skip discmans were relatively expensive so working class people held onto Walkmans for longer too as they were just more pratical for when you were on the go.
Grumbilious@reddit
I prefer the term “generationally fluid”.
MrNice1983@reddit
Too young for Gen X too old for Millennial
S_A_R_K@reddit
Star Warsials
foxontherox@reddit
We’re niche!
Lothleen@reddit
More like forced to live through the birth of boy bands...
ADHD-Millennial@reddit
Or you can be like me and not transition at all. Digital stuff is just so confusing to me. I hated my smartphone and now only use a flip phone. I don’t use computers or apps (except on Roku). It’s all so confusing to me. I do stream my movies on Fandango these days but that’s about as digital as I get.
_TheWolfOfWalmart_@reddit
Why would we want to do that??
ADHD-Millennial@reddit
Yes. My mom is a single mom who can’t even figure out how to change the input on her tv to put in a DVD so she just watches the same movies all day on Hallmark because she doesn’t want to bother anyone to show her again. She does have a smartphone but uses it like a dumbphone. She would have a flip if she realized she still could.
On why you would want to be like me though, I don’t find it limits me at all not knowing tech. My flip phone works just fine for calls and texts. I spend my lunch break talking to my friend instead of staring at a device for an entire hour like the rest of the break room. I feel much less tied to a device. I have no social media and I feel like I’m much less stressed without it.
That’s all technology does for me is add stress. I do love my Roku box and streaming movies on Fandango but besides that, I would rather get some work done around my house, take a walk, play with my cats etc.
SaintIgnis@reddit
Making this exclusive to a “micro” mid generation is so absurd.
There are people born in the early 70’s and late 80’s who would have similar experiences. And anyone alive through the 70’s and 80’s to now has had to transition into a digital world.
RealSinnSage@reddit
yeah this is why i identify more as an elder millennial. i was born late ‘83. i feel more oregon trail generation. maybe i shouldn’t be here
civiltribe@reddit
I was born 85 guess I'll see myself out
Walton-E-Haile@reddit
Pretty sure we have room to come up with 20 more names for the end of x and beginning of millenials /s. Just pick one of the 2. X or millenial.
AdDapper4220@reddit
I’m saying this as a gen z person,Compact disc and laser disc came out in the 80s, digital cameras came out in the 80s and computers with gui came out in the 80s, your generation were born into it
_TheWolfOfWalmart_@reddit
This is pedantic I know, but Laserdisc came out in 1978 and is actually totally analog despite being on a shiny disc that looks like a big CD. They shoehorned in digital audio in the late 80's, but the video was always analog. It's actually a really weird and interesting tech.
xRVAx@reddit
Most people didn't have CD players until the 1990s. I didn't have a digital camera until the 2000s
Rich people and early adopters having the thing are not necessarily indicators of everyone having the thing.
AdDapper4220@reddit
I guess you’re right
braxtel@reddit
Get off the lawn, kid
hypnofedX@reddit
Introduction isn't the same as widespread adoption. My family got a computer with a CD-ROM drive in about 1990 or so and that technology was basically unknown to the general public.
eyelers@reddit
A 29 year old coworker was SO mad when I called myself a xennial. She was telling me I was a millennial. Don't tell me who I am! lol
_TheWolfOfWalmart_@reddit
We are the only generation more ignored than Gen X. Nobody wants to recognize us. Nobody argues that Generation Jones, Zillennials, or Zalphas aren't a real thing. Only Xennials. I have no idea what's going on with this.
BrainGam3@reddit
1980 in the house!
wrongusernametryagin@reddit
Digital adulthood is now going to AI and VR. Yes, I know they are both technically "digital" but way different than the "digital" of the early 2000's
ymOx@reddit
DIGITAL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuTSAeFhdZU
changeforthebetter89@reddit
1989 right here 🤷♂️ I had an analog childhood and a digital adulthood.
BoringExperience5345@reddit
The thing about this description I don’t like for us is that my boomer dad is better and adapted earlier to tech than I am or did.
TheEndoftheBottle@reddit
OP's dad
wastey_face@reddit
1981 is the penultimate xennial year. We graduated in 1999 in an analog world and all the kids a few years younger are part of our generation too. And our freshman year of college Napster came into existence, we lived in the dorms with T1 connections, and we evolved. And the kids a few years older when we were freshman again are also part of our generation.
1981 is the epicenter.
TragicDog@reddit
They left off the Goonies generation or Oregon Trail.
lovepeacefakepiano@reddit
That’s very American though - I didn’t even know Oregon trail existed until a few years ago, and same for Goonies. Star Wars was far more of a global phenomenon.
Blurby-Blurbyblurb@reddit
The Goonies generation. 🏴☠️ 💎
jimibimi@reddit
I'm an analog man in a digital world, I'm gonna get me an analog girl
RoryBBellows286@reddit
I'm 1984, I thought I was allowed here.....
DarkScorpion48@reddit
No, no. Absolutely not! Didn’t you see the bullshit meme? I’m sorry but I’m going to have to ask you to leave
Dwayne_@reddit
Reject the evidence of your eyes and ears.
xRVAx@reddit
You are definitely allowed in the club
My rule of thumb is 1977 to 1985 but borders are always fuzzy, depending on the age of your siblings and whether you primarily hung out with older people or younger people.
LuxInteriot@reddit
I'll go with the traditional definition of millennial: it's coming of age at the turn of the millennium (which means you were a young adult, not a kid or early teen). It means the internet was not a thing in your childhood, but a big thing in your early adulthood. It may have shaped your relationships. Unlike older adults, which used the internet primarily for working.
blyzo@reddit
I still miss making mix tapes.
GorganzolaVsKong@reddit
They used to call this the mtv generation
unchangedman@reddit
Machines
Aught_To@reddit
Oh I'm micro
Basic-Pair8908@reddit
I think reason in the uk we say 85 is the end year as its when we all went decimal and banned corporal punishment in schools. So that was a huge change in generations for us.
wordshavenomeanings@reddit
Lol, neither of those things are true.
rigidlynuanced1@reddit
Elder Xennial here, I don’t miss having to use tracking to watch blurry Standard Def.
__Sentient_Fedora__@reddit
80 babies.