Framework becomes first OEM to sponsor Linux Vendor Firmware Service
Posted by TyssaRolli420@reddit | linux | View on Reddit | 89 comments
Posted by TyssaRolli420@reddit | linux | View on Reddit | 89 comments
outbackdaan@reddit
waiting for the weirdos in 3, 2, 1...
perkited@reddit
Political nutters gotta nut somewhere.
untitledmillennial@reddit
I'm sure you and the person you replied to have very "interesting" views on non-white people.
JackDostoevsky@reddit
wtf dude
perkited@reddit
Why would you assume that (at least for me)? I think there are plenty of political nutters on the left and right. Reddit does lean left (and the subs I'm on do as well), so I'm somewhat used to a response like yours. Although I have have someone on the far right respond similarly in the past, that did catch me by surprise.
canitplaycrisis@reddit
Can someone maybe explain all the Framework hate under the post?
Prudent_Move_3420@reddit
They were sponsoring Omarchy and Hyprland which have controversial maintainers to say the least
20dogs@reddit
Didn't they just give them a laptop or two?
leansicle@reddit
that still sounds like sponsoring?
JackDostoevsky@reddit
some people don't let politics drive their every decision
20dogs@reddit
I mean I think there's a difference between "here's our hardware, you can make your project work better on it" and "here's money to support you".
Odd-Possession-4276@reddit
https://frame.work/blog/framework-sponsorships
If we're playing the guilt-by-association game, Rails World = DHH.
Prudent_Move_3420@reddit
Maybe they use rails for their backend which would then make sense to sponsor it
Odd-Possession-4276@reddit
They've implicitly chosen side in the ongoing RoR drama. RailsConf was a DHH-free conference, and Rails World was the DHH-centered one. It's a personal relationship, not strictly technical one.
Prudent_Move_3420@reddit
Hm that sucks to hear
Preisschild@reddit
I get why they did it with Hyprland, but Omarchy is just a arch distro. Why not fund Arch directly unless you wanna show support for fascists like dhh...
Dogeboja@reddit
what makes him a fascist?
Preisschild@reddit
Promoting fascists like Kirk, pushing white replacement theories in London among other stupid stuff
AugustusLego@reddit
He has done this? Please give me a source! I'll uninstall hyprland from my system immediately if this is true
Far_Piano4176@reddit
the person you're responding to is speaking of DHH, not vaxry. Vaxry is controversial for some bigoted comments about trans people that occurred on certain hyprland communication platforms, which he previously declined to clean up. It seems that since that event people have begun taking steps to fix the problem, although i don't know how successful they were or whether the effort was serious/genuine.
NewAccountToAvoidDox@reddit
That is not stupid lol. That is happening. Keep calling everyone fascist just because their ideals differ from yours.
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Preisschild@reddit
"ideals" like pushing that certain races are better than others, yeah, no thanks
NewAccountToAvoidDox@reddit
I won’t keep talking because I don’t want to get banned. Have a nice day
untitledmillennial@reddit
Fascists are fundamentally disgruntled cowards, so this checks out.
Jacksaur@reddit
The irony from this thread is delicious.
billyalt@reddit
I dont understand why these people think we're blind and stupid.
Prudent_Move_3420@reddit
Yeah also I think Vaxry isn’t like actually politically problematic, just the typical 4chan edgy boy
Preisschild@reddit
Yeah i agree. I think the FDO was overreacting by banning him. Hopefully he learns from his mistakes insteaf of doubling down
SmileyBMM@reddit
Because he's banned with no chance to be unbanned, he has nothing to gain by not doubling down. Banning people like him was a huge mistake from the FDO.
j4ckwh0@reddit
Indeed going for the most extreme action out of the gate just causes hate and division.
Especially as Vaxry is more edgy and immature rather than outright extreme or problematic.
JamesLahey08@reddit
What did those two groups do?
adelBRO@reddit
Again with "Hyprlajd maintainer is fascist" and once again I am asking for reciepts on that one
Prudent_Move_3420@reddit
Making „Controversial“ into „fascist“ man you guys are actively looking for the victim role
PublicSchwing@reddit
Hopefully it was a lapse of judgment. 🤢
They’re an American company, which immediately makes me question their intentions, but other than the terrible sponsorships, they’ve been pretty dandy.
Prudent_Move_3420@reddit
Arent they Canadian?
KrazyKirby99999@reddit
No, they're in San Francisco
KrazyKirby99999@reddit
Some activists (mostly from GNOME) are upset that Framework sponsors a variety of open-source projects, not just the politically correct ones.
p0358@reddit
They gave huge amount of money to a glorified Arch install script made by a jackass. This doesn’t make any sense if not as a dog whistle, or not understanding what it even was, both of which are bad
EzeNoob@reddit
The massive hype for Omarchy has been the most artificial thing I've seen in a while, with people glazing dhh like he's the reincarnation of linus torvalds. Even got framework and cloudfare to give him money. Masterclass in grifting.
Time_Way_6670@reddit
The only people who think it’s impressive are Twitter tech bros. It literally does nothing different than any other Linux distro. It’s just an Arch installer that comes with Hyprland and Grok. Big whoop!
Framework only fave Omarchy money to pander towards the MacBook clenching Twitter techbros.
ivosaurus@reddit
Ubuntu is just a couple of patches on top of debian. Big whoop!
Time_Way_6670@reddit
Doesn’t Canonical contribute quite a bit to the kernel and Debian?
And even then, I hardly see anyone these days hyping up Ubuntu as some sort of “game changer” for Linux like they have with Omarchy.
ivosaurus@reddit
Just pointing out that both phrases are intentionally trying to downplay the size of the effort with exaggerated hyperbole
p0358@reddit
There’s an order of magnitude difference between what Ubuntu and Omarchy do, let alone whole Canonical
ivosaurus@reddit
No argument. And yet both can be minimised for the sake of argument
Far_Piano4176@reddit
comparing them in the first place is arbitrarily maximizing omarchy for the sake of argument.
Time_Way_6670@reddit
I’m not trying to downplay how hard it is to make a distro. But just because it’s hard to make and maintain a distro doesn’t mean it’s groundbreaking in anyway.
p0358@reddit
All while upsetting their actual core fanbase
totallynotbluu@reddit
another reason that GNOME isn't good besides the countless terrible UX decisions
kill-the-maFIA@reddit
Not being keen on fascists who would love to see many Gnome contributors dead or driven away is not a bad thing.
And Gnome's UX is pretty amazing. I've not seen a single other DE that's as consistent and cohesive. Even MacOS falls short.
If you're a fan of the WinUX paradigm, fair enough. But blanket saying something is awful just because you're used to something else is such a childish way of thinking.
totallynotbluu@reddit
I'm not keen on seeing Gnome contributors dead or driven away either.
My point among UX is that they simply refuse to actually have functionality catered to a desktop environment and prefer a "minimalism" approach similar to how macOS is without actually knowing why macOS does it well. That and the whole libadwaita issue with "this only is going to work on gnome and thats it" is also just silly and forces people to use something they dont want to use.
p0358@reddit
Yeah, they condemn fascism, how horrible!
ICantBelieveItsNotEC@reddit
Can you explain why you think DHH is fascist? As far as I'm aware, he doesn't like Islamism in London, which is a fairly reasonable position supported by a significant number of British people.
totallynotbluu@reddit
yea obviously facism is bad, but that doesnt excuse that framework supporting projects just because gnome disagrees with the project is just terrible
p0358@reddit
People aren’t upset with Framework because Gnome told them to do that, they’re simply upset because for the same reason as Gnome people are, because they agree with that reason. I also dislike the Gnome desktop and many of the decisions they made around GTK, that doesn’t mean I’ll disagree with them here just because I dislike Gnome, or only agree because I like them. I think people think too much in black-white dichotomies…
bluefinballistics@reddit
Get bent, mate. DHH said London wasn't white enough.
AttentiveUser@reddit
I guess you’re one of those UK nationalist that wants to vote for Farage after he destroyed UK with Brexit. Nice. The racism suits you.
AttentiveUser@reddit
Nice attitude. Says a lot about why the racism.
bluefinballistics@reddit
Not sorry — anyone who thinks the city where I was born is in any way diminished by its population can go up in flames for all I care.
joojmachine@reddit
funny way to say they pushed back against framework sponsoring projects from actual bigots
kalzEOS@reddit
A couple of people who seek attention on the Internet any chance they get.
asm_lover@reddit
A lot of people particularly from the GNOME community do not like that framework sponsored omarchy because of the creator's (DHH) political opinions.
Because of the nature of this subreddit and its rules said opinions cannot be discussed here.
LowOwl4312@reddit
Meanwhile Framework sponsors Gnome as well and much more... "don't bite the hand that feeds you"
billyalt@reddit
Are you arguing in favor of sponsors dictating what FOSS should be allowed to criticize?
LowOwl4312@reddit
Are you seriously arguing in favor of sponsees dictating what other FOSS projects sponsors should be allowed to support?
billyalt@reddit
Feel free to pick whichever answer bugs you the most. Happy cake day!
GolbatsEverywhere@reddit
Most of GNOME's corporate sponsors are documented here (Canonical, Google, Red Hat, SUSE) and also here (Symless). There are a few more that are not listed. Framework is not one of them.
JackDostoevsky@reddit
very nice! just ordered a FW13 to replace my 5 year old mbp (linux installed) with a dying battery. can't wait to get it, love these guys and happy to support them!
JamesLahey08@reddit
What does this... actually mean?
KrazyKirby99999@reddit
A software project that you rely on is being funded by a company that sells Linux-compatible computers.
Salamandar3500@reddit
Funny considering the BIOS update from linux clusterfuck 2 years ago (had to get a new mortherboard, provided for free, thanks FW support <3).
Happy to see they work on getting things to work better.
Spitfire1900@reddit
With all the contributions from Framework, I am now in a position where I am debating whether I build my own desktop or buy a Framework Desktop.
Balmung60@reddit
Extremely common Framework W
vancha113@reddit
Still torn between a system76 laptop and a framework :(
SmileyBMM@reddit
Framework hardware and software support is way better imo. Unless you really like Pop!_OS, I would get the Framework. Though right now is a horrible time to buy any laptop with how pricey DRAM is.
monocasa@reddit
I'm so glad I got two 48GB sticks for my laptop back in May when they were $100/ea.
vancha113@reddit
Yeah feared something like that.. the choice for me boils down to what you mentioned vs contributing to the cosmic desktop. Right now that's a tough one :(
DragonSlayerC@reddit
I'm surprised System76 doesn't.
GolbatsEverywhere@reddit
The only System76 hardware on LVFS is:
While that's better than nothing, you won't receive firmware updates for any of System76's computers (unless you count the Thelio daughter board, which would be quite a stretch since the motherboard will not receive updates).
2rad0@reddit
The risk vs reward on flashing IC's with new code is something I never feel like risking. Does framework hardware have a total factory reset procedure?
KrazyKirby99999@reddit
Props to Framework for giving back to the ecosystem.
We need more vendors supporting the commons. Just as there is a risk of "bit rot" in unused code, there is a risk of burnout with unfunded code.
itzjackybro@reddit
CoreJS flashbacks
reddituserf1@reddit
Doesn't Thinkpad do this?
LowOwl4312@reddit
Excellent news. They've been really doing great work, both in terms of how their hardware supports Linux out of the box and how they sponsor many projects in the Linux ecosystem: https://frame.work/ie/en/blog/framework-sponsorships
Odd-Possession-4276@reddit
The toxic brand is trying to buy back the community goodwill. It's almost adorable.
KrazyKirby99999@reddit
The sponsorship is from before the controversy, so that's not accurate. This Mastadon post is reporting old news
PublicSchwing@reddit
<3 my framework. I had to rebuild half of it within 6 months of owning the 13. It was such a relief to be able to get OEM parts at a reasonable price. 2 laptops 1 bag ended poorly.
Isacx123@reddit
Great stuff from Framework, hope more small laptop OEMs follow the example.